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5 Ways to Start Fire With Water

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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    They forgot number 6

    6. - Take a drink of water, and pull out your lighter.
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    • Profile picture of the author msdobe
      Really interesting! The guys on 'dual survivor' should watch this (if it's still around - used to love that show!). Don't have tv so I don't know.

      What I'm wondering is the last one about using sodium. Where in the world do you get sodium? I know baking soda, but never heard of being able to buy sodium.
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        Originally Posted by msdobe View Post

        Really interesting! The guys on 'dual survivor' should watch this (if it's still around - used to love that show!). Don't have tv so I don't know.

        What I'm wondering is the last one about using sodium. Where in the world do you get sodium? I know baking soda, but never heard of being able to buy sodium.
        Jenny

        Hi Jenny,

        Cody flaked out half way through last season and got fired. He was replaced by Matt Graham who is probably my favorite nature survival guru.

        I think I'll add "learn how to throw an atlatl" to my bucket list. Here's Matt making and using an atlatl on Dual Survival:

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        • Profile picture of the author msdobe
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post


          Cody flaked out half way through last season and got fired. He was replaced by Matt Graham who is probably my favorite nature survival guru.
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          What a shame - Cody was my favorite! As far as an atlatl that is really cool, never seen one before - that guy's good!

          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          I don't know about sodium. I carry glycerin and potasium permaganate in my fire making kit. Each has multiple uses and when combined is about as close to "sure fire" as possible.

          I bought potasium permagante on eBay (or was it Amazon?).

          And you can get glyercin at any drug store.
          Interesting, thanks for the tips Kurt!!
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            Originally Posted by msdobe View Post

            What a shame - Cody was my favorite! As far as an atlatl that is really cool, never seen one before - that guy's good!



            Interesting, thanks for the tips Kurt!!
            Jenny
            Matt's actually a world champion atlatl thrower. He's also a primitive living expert and usually wears clothing and scandals he makes himself. He also trains in long distance running and beat some riders on horseback in a race over long distances.

            His attitude is similar to Cody's, but he wears shoes... and I think has much better all-around skills and attitude. He's so good that, what Joe, Cody and Dave Canterbury think are survival situations, Matt thinks are a vacation. After three days, Matt wants to stay and "camp out". LOL

            Honestly, if I was in a survival situation and was to be paired with anyone, I'd pick Matt Graham over any of them.

            This is a short video where they introduced Matt to Dual Survival:
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        Originally Posted by msdobe View Post


        What I'm wondering is the last one about using sodium. Where in the world do you get sodium? I know baking soda, but never heard of being able to buy sodium.
        Jenny
        I don't know about sodium. I carry glycerin and potasium permaganate in my fire making kit. Each has multiple uses and when combined is about as close to "sure fire" as possible.

        I bought potasium permagante on eBay (or was it Amazon?).

        And you can get glycercin at any drug store.

        No one on Youtube actually uses the optimal proportions. About 1/4 teaspoons of PP and 7-8 drops of glycerin is just about perfect. Everyone on YT uses way too much PP.

        It takes about 20 seconds for the reaction to take place...Here's an example of the chemical reaction:

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    An atlatl? I assume that's a Native American word.

    Native Australians use something similar called a woomera.


    Interesting that two peoples who had no contact between each other managed to come up with a similar technology.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_North_Americans

    I read a couple of these historical fiction books. Very good, IMO.
    They revolve around the first people to come to North America via the Bering Sea during an ice age.
    Their first novel takes place around 13,000 BC
    I believe the authors are historians and their work is respected as far as facts are concerned.

    The characters used atlatls for hunting. I'd guess that the simple physics and leverage involved lends to "spear throwers" universally becoming a first weaponry.
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      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      First North Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      I read a couple of these historical fiction books. Very good, IMO.
      They revolve around the first people to come to North America via the Bering Sea during an ice age.
      Their first novel takes place around 13,000 BC
      I believe the authors are historians and their work is respected as far as facts are concerned.

      The characters used atlatls for hunting. I'd guess that the simple physics and leverage involved lends to "spear throwers" universally becoming a first weaponry.
      I have a real interest in primtive inventions. There's something about an invention that's very simple, but useful. I'm not a prepper or a survivalist. My interest is more from a McGyver point of view.

      And I think it's just good knowledge to have a pass along.

      Things like the atlatl...Was it invented once, then spread all over? Or, was it invented multiple times by different peoples?

      How did the Native Austrailians invent the boomerang? It is shaped a lot like the Native American's "rabbit stick". Throwing a bent branch has some strong advantages and trial and error could have lead to "natural selection" for both peoples, with the Aussies taking the shape a step farther.

      And being able to create fire...one invention or multiple and how? Surely, we first "harvested" fire from fires caused by natural sources like lightning and lava.

      I'll guess that we learned to create fire by accident, and probably different methods were discovered by different people. Maybe someone was sharpening a stick into an arrow or spear and touched it and found it was hot from friction, then kept going to see what happened. He noticed smoke and heat and was the first to say "Where there's smoke, there's fire!"

      I think the most probable, at least what I can think of, is that a guy was knapping an arrow or spear head using flint and another rock that contained some steel. It threw off a spark that lit some dry grass or other good tinder and he figured out how to do it repeatedly. If you hit enough rocks together a bunch of times, you're bound to accidently get a spark.

      Otzi, the 5000 year old frozen mummy, was found with flint and steel and flint and steel was the prefered method of starting a fire for our pioneers, right up until the time matches were invented.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        I have a real interest in primtive inventions. There's something about an invention that's very simple, but useful. I'm not a prepper or a survivalist. My interest is more from a McGyver point of view.

        And I think it's just good knowledge to have a pass along.

        Things like the atlatl...Was it invented once, then spread all over? Or, was it invented multiple times by different peoples?

        How did the Native Austrailians invent the boomerang? It is shaped a lot like the Native American's "rabbit stick". Throwing a bent branch has some strong advantages and trial and error could have lead to "natural selection" for both peoples, with the Aussies taking the shape a step farther.

        And being able to create fire...one invention or multiple and how? Surely, we first "harvested" fire from fires caused by natural sources like lightning and lava.

        I'll guess that we learned to create fire by accident, and probably different methods were discovered by different people. Maybe someone was sharpening a stick into an arrow or spear and touched it and found it was hot from friction, then kept going to see what happened. He noticed smoke and heat and was the first to say "Where there's smoke, there's fire!"

        I think the most probable, at least what I can think of, is that a guy was knapping an arrow or spear head using flint and another rock that contained some steel. It threw off a spark that lit some dry grass or other good tinder and he figured out how to do it repeatedly. If you hit enough rocks together a bunch of times, you're bound to accidently get a spark.

        Otzi, the 5000 year old frozen mummy, was found with flint and steel and flint and steel was the prefered method of starting a fire for our pioneers, right up until the time matches were invented.
        I did think from some of your posts that you were a survivalist, not a "MacGyverist". A good friend of mine used to say "think MacGyver" when he wanted a creative solution to something. I get the interest.

        I wonder if your fire inventor was also the first to get fined for starting a forest fire?

        I'd guess that an invention like the atlatl was invented many places. Independently. In 1973 I drew a picture of a minivan. I read later that, at about the same time, Iacocca was imagining it while he was at Ford. Chrysler hit the market with them around 1983. I've thought of many things that later did hit the market. Like the multi-blade shaving razors they have now. Darn.

        On the other hand, it's been revealed that people have long traveled farther and wider than we were taught in grade school.

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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Maybe here for sodium (not sure at all which, if any, version of sodium they used in the film):

    Lab Grade Sodium Acetate Trihydrate, 500g for sale. Buy from The Science Company.

    http://www.sciencecompany.com/Search...+ASC&ps=12&p=0
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