Desperate and this is what I am going to do

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I have been out of work for 6 months now. I spend the last 4 months creating from scratch a really nice looking local listing for local business with coupons and discounts offers.

I created my flyers and walked in business, restaurants and hair salons. I talked with some managers and owners, introduced my self and dropped my flyers. about 60 business so far.

I have got no results and no calls from any of these business.

I have about 2 months left before I completely run out of money.

I am desperate and this is what I am going to do: I will create coupons for every single restaurant in my little town and upload it and see what happen. I have no permission from them to post ads or coupons for them. Will I get in legal issues because of doing so? Some business owner told me that restaurants.com posted a coupon for them without there agreement.

I really don't know what to do to fill up my coupon website.
#desperate
  • Profile picture of the author sweetcrabhoney18
    If the coupon website already isn't working locally why not do something else? You said little town; maybe you should move to a bigger town instead.

    And yes you can get into trouble for giving away coupons that don't work/ the business didn't agree to.

    Don't give up just because it's hard. Make a list of your skills and determine what your local buyers what.

    You can even sale something as basic as business card printing and go from there. You can use your business cards as a way to mention to people that you have a coupon book also.

    Keep moving forward. You can do it!
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  • Profile picture of the author reboot38
    I will create coupons for every single restaurant in my little town and upload it and see what happen. I have no permission from them to post ads or coupons for them.
    Depending on how small your small town is, if you do this, you may need to leave town under the cover of darkness. Not a good idea at all

    Will I get in legal issues because of doing so?
    Likely. Hopefully. No offense but what your doing hurts everyone involved. The business owner is screwed b/c someone is making coupons for his service or goods without consent. The customer is screwed b/c they'll try to use a coupon the business owner either can't or won't honor. And you're screwed because you're pissing everyone off.

    Identify one or two services that you can provide and do that. Keep it simple and don't limit yourself to your small town. I live in a small town too and if I didn't venture out, I'd starve to death.

    Good luck!!
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    • Profile picture of the author AZakaria
      "you may need to leave town under the cover of darkness" you craked me laughing thanks a lot. HAHAHAHA
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    • Profile picture of the author AZakaria
      Thank you all. I new here, not sure how to post a thanks for the reply to every one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Slade556
      Originally Posted by reboot38 View Post

      The business owner is screwed b/c someone is making coupons for his service or goods without consent. The customer is screwed b/c they'll try to use a coupon the business owner either can't or won't honor. And you're screwed because you're pissing everyone off.
      My thoughts exactly, this is probably not going to work.
      There are so many other ways to make money online, did you try them or did you concentrate on this one particular thing all this time?
      I would suggest you look for a regular job right now, since you say you have 2 months left until you're gonna be broke, and in the meantime, try freelancing, list building, affiliate marketing, so many possibilities just pick one!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Originally Posted by AZakaria View Post

    I have been out of work for 6 months now. I spend the last 4 months creating from scratch a really nice looking local listing for local business with coupons and discounts offers.

    I created my flyers and walked in business, restaurants and hair salons. I talked with some managers and owners, introduced my self and dropped my flyers. about 60 business so far.

    I have got no results and no calls from any of these business.

    I have about 2 months left before I completely run out of money.

    I am desperate and this is what I am going to do: I will create coupons for every single restaurant in my little town and upload it and see what happen. I have no permission from them to post ads or coupons for them. Will I get in legal issues because of doing so? Some business owner told me that restaurants.com posted a coupon for them without there agreement.

    I really don't know what to do to fill up my coupon website.
    No, don't do this coupon thing. It's bad on so many levels.

    You have already created some sort of relationship with all of these people. At least some of them, right? So instead of fixating on this one source of providing value, go back and find out what else you could do for them.

    Where are they having the most trouble with their business?

    What can you provide/outsource that matches up as a solution?
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  • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
    Ouch....I agree...please do NOT just post deals for them...huge trouble

    I also think you should build on this...

    go to a wholesale printer, a "promotional items" supplier....get an agreement to work on commission

    find a local web designer /seo person who will pay you nicely for work done

    consider signing up with some other sorts of offline companies that offer ? to small biz

    then go back and see "what can I do for you?"
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  • Profile picture of the author chaotic squid
    Seems like you skipped the first step of actually figuring out what problems these business owners have. You should have started by walking into the local businesses and talked to the owners about their pain points and about how much they would pay to solve that problem. Maybe out of the 60 you talked to 20 expressed the same issues with email marketing, social media, their web site, or something else.

    Then you could build a service around their problem areas, find a price point that matched their budget, and go back to the 20 or so who had that same particular problem. At this point you already talked to them before and the second contact would be a bit warmer and you'd have a high chance of closing the deal.

    Just my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author JWImarketing
    Your business model is a lot of work. I knew a guy who used to do this. Here is what I would do:

    1. If your flyers are advertising the business itself then you must give them a good deal to entice them to buy. Give them some marketing numbers about how beneficial your service would be. Offer to deliver door hangers and put them on the doors yourself or hire a kid to help you.

    Best door hanger business are Pizza and Tire/ Oil change stores. Also carpet cleaning can work good too.

    2. Make a coupon book and feature businesses in it for a fee. You should pick up some businesses who love coupons. Again pizza, dry cleaning, carpet cleaning, tires, etc etc. You may have to offer something of HIGH value for free at first to get your foot in the door. Make any fees reasonable and then offer upgrades of service.

    3. Make a calendar and sell ad spots and deliver around for free. Maps work well to if you can swing it.

    Tips:

    -Pick up the phone and dial until your finger tips bleed. Call every business you can find but ONLY once you have a good script going to use.

    -Use a telemarketing firm and give them a cut. They are pros at phone selling.

    -Get a web presence. This is a must in my book.

    -Offer to post deals FOR THEM on various coupon sites. Handle all coupon needs you can say.

    Hope that helps. Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author eccj
    I would get a job..... seriously. Desperate don't sell.

    Find an article or short book that has a marketing method for small businesses and then offer to do exactly what is in the article for a fee. You need to build yourself a job before you build yourself a business because you don't have that luxury.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
    If i couldn't land a job in 6 months time then I wouldn't expect to be able to build a business in less time.
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  • Profile picture of the author SashaLee
    Hi there,

    Unfortunately, you've given yourself a time limit that has a ticking bomb at the end. The pressure of making money coupled with the lack of safety funds will kill your enthusiasm and distract you from the task at hand. We see it all the time with salespeople who take commission jobs without a safety net and it's sad.

    My advice to you would be get a part-time job no matter how low-paying it is. Get some income rolling in and then test your marketing ideas in your spare time. 60 calls is a joke. 600 calls is effort and will produce results even if those results merely tell you where you went wrong.

    You're in a catch-22 right now. You won't have the frame of mind to get busy with something like this while your dwindling funds are at the top of your mind.

    All the best,

    Sasha.
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  • Profile picture of the author daniyal100
    Originally Posted by AZakaria View Post

    I have been out of work for 6 months now. I spend the last 4 months creating from scratch a really nice looking local listing for local business with coupons and discounts offers.

    I created my flyers and walked in business, restaurants and hair salons. I talked with some managers and owners, introduced my self and dropped my flyers. about 60 business so far.

    I have got no results and no calls from any of these business.

    I have about 2 months left before I completely run out of money.

    I am desperate and this is what I am going to do: I will create coupons for every single restaurant in my little town and upload it and see what happen. I have no permission from them to post ads or coupons for them. Will I get in legal issues because of doing so? Some business owner told me that restaurants.com posted a coupon for them without there agreement.

    I really don't know what to do to fill up my coupon website.

    so you spent 4 months finding a nice niche. It must be a lie man.

    You don't know that niche's businesses might already fed up hearing this shit again and again every once in a while.

    and btw are you seriously thinking they won't forget to take your flyer paper with them after all the countless hours of work business owners spend at their businesses at night when they go home and then switch on their computers to check your coupon website????

    Besides all that I really appreciate that you step out and took action. Believe me you already have more experience then all the big time multi millionaire online marketers who besides having tons of money spend all day trying selling 9$ shortcuts to people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground
    In the last few weeks I've about severed every good relation I've had on this place, for being too blunt and unwilling to let certain things go unchallenged. My first concern, always, is people getting truthful and realistic advice, rather than pleasing people, and it always will be. Because I've just seen too many people fail based on that advice that is ok, for it's context, but massively limiting and even setting people up for failure beyond that.

    But it's futile here try to get beginners properly clued up so they have the basic sales, marketing and business skills to go and meet with success. Too many people are selling pathetic sales and marketing education that excludes any other methods and is a one size fits all. And selling junk is almost honoured. And this has lead to much more frustration and failure than anything else.


    The advice works with mass market, simple sell product where any business owner is a potential viable customer. In that case by all means, get on the phone all day, and then scale up if that is your business. You can make a killing with focus and determination. And a business like that is far easier to manage.


    If you move beyond that model to the one the OP is attempting to, getting users on one side and businesses on the other, then shunning anything but old school cold calling or walking with no social media awareness campaigns or online branding, and pounding that into people's head as the only viable method, is invariable going to lead to the same outcome as the OP has met with. Months of work and money put in and their dreams shattered with not a hope of real lasting success. Chasing fast, easy 'cash' never leads to real success.


    In recent months, I don't know how many of these threads I've seen. Every single person trying to do this model thinks it's an easy cash cow. Chuck a site up or an app, put a logo on, don't bother with online promotion or launching or creating a buzz or getting users on board. Just get out there trying to fleece businesses owners for putting a name and address on a theme.


    It's absolutely insane watching it that people think business is that easy. When I first conceived of creating a 'third party site' and generating revenue from ads and stuff, I checked out the Yell.com, the Guardian, and loads of others who do this model properly and know how build audiences. I was elated for days because I knew there was massive revenue potential and it was something I'd be fulfilled with. Then, after wearing myself out, I thought could I really pull of creating something major like that? To be a proper big well known business and brand and had a massive feeling of overwhelm and panic and doubt, because I knew it would take massive amounts of work and stretch me to the limit way out of my comfort zone. That was a couple of years ago when I first conceived of it, and started research and getting serious.


    How can so many others here think this model is a walk in the park? You just slap up a site and bingo. Give your flyer to people and they'll flock to your site with their wallets out desperate to pay you.


    A model like this, you are taking on massive responsibility. You have to be able to generate massive traffic to a site daily, so you have to be an expert digital, social and content marketer, or have a good system. You have to create a strong compelling reason for businesses to want to post. You have to constantly create major content daily. Advertise.

    You have to learn real skills. I spent 500 with themezoom just to learn their seo and social media strategies, yet people here think you don't even need a social presence at all. You don't need traffic.

    Something is seriously wrong, with all these people rolling up saying their building local sites, by putting a theme up.

    You're going to have a range of people to deal with, so different marketing and sales strategies are needed. You're gonna need good technical support. You're going to need skilled telemarketers to do pure cold calling, business development specialists to work with strategic partners and build JV's and referral relationships, and extensive social media and brand awareness strategy. You're going to need way more than a one man band operation to get it going and be profitable. You need copywriting, design, email marketing and funnel building skills.

    There is no money in it if it's not taken seriously. If if you do start earning money, it would mean you have a quite a large number of customers relying on you to produce the goods, and that's why you'll need all of the above. It's not a casual undertaking.

    Everyone thinks it's easy. It's not. I posted a site doing this model highly successfully yesterday, and they should be studied as the offer quality to everyone involved and many unique benefits. That got ignored.

    OP, you're probably best to go and get a job and learn the skills you need to launch this properly.

    I read this article yesterday and it bought it home how many you need a real, live online audience and buzz to get an online brand going. https://hbr.org/2015/04/10-tactics-f...ign=Socialflow

    I've been studying how to make something work for years, across 8 sites in whole network, and how to get that to a critical mass of users where it becomes self-sustaining. I have to launch a magazine first and generate revenue. I think I'm going to need to invest around £20,000 in building an enterprise level platform and getting it going. It's no small thing.

    But I'll be using a lot of top methods to create buzz for my mag site to begin with, and if you're stick this out, I'll show you how you can quickly build and audience and create traffic to a level where businesses owners will actually want to get involved.

    There's way more involved than putting a up a site where people will pay you to put listings on then. Maybe 10 years ago before social media, but not today. People don't need to do it to the scale I aim for, and can do it much smaller with a few people, but they'll still need to do all the things above.
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    • Profile picture of the author AZakaria
      daniyal100 "so you spent 4 months finding a nice niche. It must be a lie man."

      I am lying about what? Whats so good that I posted that you think I lied about?

      "You don't know that niche's businesses might already fed up hearing this shit again and again every once in a while."

      I did not know that. I am new in the business. My background this past 7 years I was in house full-time web/print designer. I am new to sales and learning now.


      Underground "There's way more involved than putting a up a site where people will pay you to put listings on then. Maybe 10 years ago before social media, but not today. People don't need to do it to the scale I aim for, and can do it much smaller with a few people, but they'll still need to do all the things above."


      I did not ask no body for money upfront. My flyers did say that I will give a free one month for each advertiser and simply if got no visits that mentioned my Ad they don't pay me the $29 monthly price. Get your free ad for a month, you got no customers walking into your store and mentioned my ad? then don't pay me.


      The main problem is that the local biz owners here don't want to give a discount or give a coupon. I think they can give coupons but I think I am not good at convincing them to do so. IT IS FOR FREE for a month!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Underground
        Originally Posted by AZakaria View Post

        daniyal100 "so you spent 4 months finding a nice niche. It must be a lie man."

        I am lying about what? Whats so good that I posted that you think I lied about?

        "You don't know that niche's businesses might already fed up hearing this shit again and again every once in a while."

        I did not know that. I am new in the business. My background this past 7 years I was in house full-time web/print designer. I am new to sales and learning now.


        Underground "There's way more involved than putting a up a site where people will pay you to put listings on then. Maybe 10 years ago before social media, but not today. People don't need to do it to the scale I aim for, and can do it much smaller with a few people, but they'll still need to do all the things above."


        I did not ask no body for money upfront. My flyers did say that I will give a free one month for each advertiser and simply if got no visits that mentioned my Ad they don't pay me the $29 monthly price. Get your free ad for a month, you got no customers walking into your store and mentioned my ad? then don't pay me.


        The main problem is that the local biz owners here don't want to give a discount or give a coupon. I think they can give coupons but I think I am not good at convincing them to do so. IT IS FOR FREE for a month!!!
        I'm not in anyway having a go at you. I really feel for your situation. It's that every single newcomer that comes here thinks, from the advice they are getting, they must go out cold walking or cold calling. Where did you get that from? It's the people hindering people's learning process so that do the bare minimum, with prospecting methods that are putting them on a hiding to nothing, and arguing against other proven and utterly essential methods for silly reasons like being overkill or unnecessary that are at fault here.

        I posted something the other day about the realities of selling today and how using all available online channels, should be standard procedure because more as more people do business solely on the net.


        You have a website where people are used to doing businesses solely on the net. But your marketing offline to businesses.

        Like I said, I've invested a lot of money in learning how to grow a site on the net and growth hacking, and if you're still doing this then I'll be willing to show you how to do the same.

        I don't know why everyone thinks they have to go offline and do things the hard way. You could email 1000 people in day who already have offers on other deals sites, in your vicinity with your free month offer and get way more people involved in an afternoon.


        But like I said, you need to get good a creating good copy and then getting these businesses on board, letting them know you are pre-launching and just getting businesses on board right now for when you implement your extensive marketing and promotional strategies. Things have to be done with the right level of gravitas and authenticity. Anything else, seemingly scammy or questionable, will not cut it.

        There two things that people get taught here, everyday, as if there is no better alternatives:

        1. Get going out there chasing money right away and making sales calls or sending sales email, rather then spending some time building your foundation and getting people on board to kick things off.
        2. Use only offline, direct selling via cold calling or cold walk in's.


        That is the dominant advice people get. And how most try to launch their business. It's not going to work with this model. And works for an exceptional few skilled people in any case to any real degree. .


        You need thousands of people on board to make this work, and they need to stick around. Not just 5 conversion from a month of cold calling to make a tidy profit. So methods to chase those people are not sufficient when your trying to get way more people in.

        It requires a different approach. And the people who often advocate purely one method are actually expert marketers and copywriters themselves doing all the extra activities necessary.

        I can assist you if you want on how to get this going, but you will have to go some time with deferring payment till you have the right people on board to get it going, and maybe you don't have the money. It's why getting a job and learning all these things and building for free to begin with is a good suggestion. But making sure what you do in that time creates something people will not easily ignore.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by AZakaria View Post

        I did not ask no body for money upfront. My flyers did say that I will give a free one month for each advertiser and simply if got no visits that mentioned my Ad they don't pay me the $29 monthly price. Get your free ad for a month, you got no customers walking into your store and mentioned my ad? then don't pay me.
        There are other reps, selling coupons for the area restaurants, and other businesses. Someone is selling a coupon magazine or and envelope full of coupons. So...it isn't that they aren't buying coupons.

        It's that you aren't selling.

        My advice is to go to work for an advertising company, that sells advertising to local businesses. Learn how to sell. Learn how to get money from small businesses.

        If you can't sell advertising...where you ae not asking for money, it's you. You need to learn how to sell. And you don't know.

        Personally, there have been times where I absolutely had to make a sale (to make payroll or pay bills). I mean, I had to make a sale that day, and get paid.....that day.

        I always made the sale. Was I desperate? No. I was resolved...committed....determined.

        That may be part of your problem. The other part, is that you have no idea how to sell. Get a job with an advertising company. Believe me, they will hire you and train you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          There are other reps, selling coupons for the area restaurants, and other businesses. Someone is selling a coupon magazine or and envelope full of coupons. So...it isn't that they aren't buying coupons.

          It's that you aren't selling.

          My advice is to go to work for an advertising company, that sells advertising to local businesses. Learn how to sell. Learn how to get money from small businesses.

          If you can't sell advertising...where you ae not asking for money, it's you. You need to learn how to sell. And you don't know.

          Personally, there have been times where I absolutely had to make a sale (to make payroll or pay bills). I mean, I had to make a sale that day, and get paid.....that day.

          I always made the sale. Was I desperate? No. I was resolved...committed....determined.

          That may be part of your problem. The other part, is that you have no idea how to sell. Get a job with an advertising company. Believe me, they will hire you and train you.
          Thank you....I have said this over and over....get a dang j-o-b...let someone else train you

          Telemarketing, ad mags/flyers/coupon places are always hiring
          there are also other things you can sell on commission
          like mobile apps, loyalty programs, printing...
          some will pay a salary or draw
          others you are on commission - but you can often "parlay"...sell for several if ok with them - usually will be if there is no conflict
          you can even add in a deal with a webdesigner, seo small firm - see which will pay you best and give them business for commission

          the beauty of this is that you get sales training...

          TRAINING

          I have had many good trainers....some bad but they taught what not to do haha
          I have been a sales trainer,
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          • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
            Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999 View Post

            Thank you....I have said this over and over....get a dang j-o-b...let someone else train you

            Telemarketing, ad mags/flyers/coupon places are always hiring
            there are also other things you can sell on commission
            like mobile apps, loyalty programs, printing...
            some will pay a salary or draw
            others you are on commission - but you can often "parlay"...sell for several if ok with them - usually will be if there is no conflict
            you can even add in a deal with a webdesigner, seo small firm - see which will pay you best and give them business for commission

            the beauty of this is that you get sales training...

            TRAINING

            I have had many good trainers....some bad but they taught what not to do haha
            I have been a sales trainer,
            Take this advice and Claude's, to heart. It will change your life.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        Grass on the side of the road as I go home is FREE forever, but I don't take it.

        My point?

        Free is not enough. There has to be value, to them, and they have to see it.

        If you've been a web/design person, why aren't you trying to sell that at first?

        Getting leads/referrals is not an easy sale.

        Somebody sent me this today. It's about real estate agents and mortgage brokers. Read the last part: only 74% want referrals and they want them from mortgage brokes/ loan officers they know and trust:

        This was posted in Rob Chrisman's newsletter today!

        Nearly half of the Realtors surveyed said they prefer working with mortgage brokers over banks and non-banks. Cultural fit and breadth of products are the number one and two reasons for selecting a mortgage partner. Agents are mainly monogamous: 77% say they have one lender who they refer most often to clients. Speed and responsiveness are the most important considerations to refer a lender. Leads are not a two-way street: 79% aren't getting leads from their lenders, but 74% would like them-from lenders they know and trust.


        (I checked out: Rob Chrisman seems to run www.mortgagenewsdaily.com.)


        The above means that 26% of realtors (aka people) don't want random leads and 100% don't want them from people they don't know and trust.


        Or, in other words, it would take a lot of persuading/positioning to get them to accept. We're talking FREE leads here, too.


        In your case, You need to prove, somehow, that they would benefit, that you will deliver the type of FREE leads they want.


        Because FREE is not really free. Think from the real estate agent's point of view: if someone's leads calls me, I have to spend some time to figure out if they could be a buyer. If, at first, things look okay, I have to meet with them, show them houses. If it turns out they were just testing the waters, I'll lose 20-30 hours. I could have used that time prospecting using one of my proven ways and gotten a real buyer.


        Change real estate agent, and you get the same: yes, the amount lost per lead will be different, but if it's shorter, the possible profit is smaller.



        Back to my original suggestion, which was made before with different words, get a job or get some marketing/seo company to let you do the design/web part of what they do. Even if you do it as a sub-contractor, if you can get a job here and there, enough to make you feel the earth is not going to swallow you, your thinking will improve, your ability to sell other things too.


        Or just go through Manta.com and see who doesn't have a website or has a lousy one and propose to make them one. This suggestion has to do with the speed of results and their tangibility.



        It's easier, I think, to show someone results in the web designing area than in the lead-generation. Plus, what if they get leads and they don't convert them?


        With the website, if you built it, it's there, they can see it. It's real. They pay. Often, even if it's not getting them leads/sales.



        Originally Posted by AZakaria View Post

        I think they can give coupons but I think I am not good at convincing them to do so. IT IS FOR FREE for a month!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author daniyal100
        Originally Posted by AZakaria View Post

        daniyal100 "so you spent 4 months finding a nice niche. It must be a lie man."

        I am lying about what? Whats so good that I posted that you think I lied about?

        "You don't know that niche's businesses might already fed up hearing this shit again and again every once in a while."

        I did not know that. I am new in the business. My background this past 7 years I was in house full-time web/print designer. I am new to sales and learning now.


        Underground "There's way more involved than putting a up a site where people will pay you to put listings on then. Maybe 10 years ago before social media, but not today. People don't need to do it to the scale I aim for, and can do it much smaller with a few people, but they'll still need to do all the things above."


        I did not ask no body for money upfront. My flyers did say that I will give a free one month for each advertiser and simply if got no visits that mentioned my Ad they don't pay me the $29 monthly price. Get your free ad for a month, you got no customers walking into your store and mentioned my ad? then don't pay me.


        The main problem is that the local biz owners here don't want to give a discount or give a coupon. I think they can give coupons but I think I am not good at convincing them to do so. IT IS FOR FREE for a month!!!
        free never worked for me

        Just imagine your on your job and someone you never see talked before come and tell you i got this this this for you and it gets you this this this and its free for you to start..

        100% of the time it sounds like a catch, atleast for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author yassine727
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew North
    Originally Posted by AZakaria View Post

    I have been out of work for 6 months now. I spend the last 4 months creating from scratch a really nice looking local listing for local business with coupons and discounts offers.

    I created my flyers and walked in business, restaurants and hair salons. I talked with some managers and owners, introduced my self and dropped my flyers. about 60 business so far.

    I have got no results and no calls from any of these business.

    I have about 2 months left before I completely run out of money.

    I am desperate and this is what I am going to do: I will create coupons for every single restaurant in my little town and upload it and see what happen. I have no permission from them to post ads or coupons for them. Will I get in legal issues because of doing so? Some business owner told me that restaurants.com posted a coupon for them without there agreement.

    I really don't know what to do to fill up my coupon website.
    If you are desperate you gotta do something to start getting cash NOW.

    When I was unemployed and depressed working was the hardest thing for me to do. I had to work my way up from doing small cash jobs I found on craigslist and gumtree, to part-time, to full time.. to running my own business. If you haven't been working full time for months and you are depressed or anxious, launching a business is absolutely the worst decision you can make.

    You need to build momentum slowly.. and get your hands on cash by whatever legal means you can.

    Business owners will sense your desperation. You will start making mistakes which will hurt you far more in the long-term.

    Put this idea on hold and start looking for any kind of work to cover your basic living expenses. I was so depressed and isolated that I couldn't communicate with people. So I had to work in a terrible data entry job.. which I was fired from for not coming in.. and then eventually working in a cafe washing dishes and cleaning tables. I didn't mind. It gave me money, food and paid my rent. You gotta take care of your basic survival needs first, and a business is not designed to do that. You decide to open a business when you recognize you can make more money LATER ON than working for someone else. A good business is built on a system of leverage, which takes a lot of time for the results to come in. A job satisfies your need for food and shelter right now.

    Surely there's SOME kind of job in your small town. Even doing odd jobs around your neighborhood like laboring, mowing lawns? If you a depressed the physical exercise and exposure to the sun will be very good for you. For me, that was enough for my mental illness to vanish. I helped a family friend in their earth moving business, shifting loads of heavy dirt, building fences, riding in excavators. I enjoyed it more than I thought. At the very least it will give you some money in your hand.. and more importantly you start building a macro-momentum in your life where things keep getting better and better.

    I sincerely wish you the best. Now go fix your life.
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    • Profile picture of the author SashaLee
      Originally Posted by Matthew North View Post


      Surely there's SOME kind of job in your small town.
      Hi there,

      There's always jobs.

      People need,

      Windows cleaned
      Lawns cut
      Hedges trimmes
      Cars washed
      Driveways swept
      Junk removed....

      The list is endless.

      I just read a phrase that really hits home:

      "Business advertise for workers, but then people show up".

      All the best,

      Sasha
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  • Profile picture of the author joe golfer
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    Marketing is not a battle of products. It is a battle of perceptions.
    - Jack Trout
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    You said you have seven years web and print design experience?
    Does this mean you can properly build a site, including coding and on page SEO...?
    (If not, you need to learn or find people who can complete the needed work for clients
    - assuming you are headed towards eventual self-employment in this field.)

    You should get your hands on this by the Warrior who goes by the name of: iamnameless:
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...eb-agency.html

    Keep your local coupon listing site. I don't think it will pay the bills immediately,
    but will become useful and maybe need to be modified and improved. What is
    your town's and counties' Chamber of Commerce or promotions/Tourism bureaus
    or boards web presence? Would they be interested in buying your site/hiring you
    as a freelancer? As freebiequeen mentioned, an SEO might be interested. Or, you
    can keep it as your own project.

    One thing to keep in mind is that in small towns, it is usually easy to be found.
    So, there is not a lot of interest in coupons and discounts by business owners.
    My town has three hotels and 9 restaurants. Local SEO is pretty much a given.
    The town itself could use more tourists - hence my suggestion to look at your
    town's and county's promotion efforts. (The past two years, my town and county
    just redid there tourism websites. My little town spent $8000.00, plus monthly
    for a custom Drupal site.)

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    For right now though, get a job/odd jobs so you can pay bills and keep what savings
    you do have for an emergency - like car repair.

    Then learn to sell and market.
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    "If you think you're the smartest person in the room, then you're probably in the wrong room."

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  • Profile picture of the author Underground
    Of course learn to sell, however you can. And please take responsibility for your own learning and ceaseless research, instead of relying on opinions. Understand the difference between old selling and new selling:


    If your leaflet contained the right info, with compelling facts and figures and a value proposition you would have had sign-ups and more interest, even from 60 people.

    Again advice as if selling only requires some sales skills on behalf of the sales person and not a strong product and real skills.


    People don't seem to understand they could create their social media channels, all branded and on message, and build and audience of thousands. Hundreds of twitter followers, hundreds in your g plus circle. Hundreds of connections on youtube from an audience interested in your content, some facebook fans, pinners.

    That then is a live site, not an idea, and you're pitch will capture them if you say you want to introduce to your audience of thousands for free and bring them new business, and they can try out your site for themselves at no risk.

    All the sales skills in the world are not going to help sell spots on site that is not a saleable proposition by itself to where you need.

    Websites from top start-ups get traction with a business development. That is making mutual beneficial arrangements and cross-promotional agreements. This guy, has a good course on business development and sold his start up for $100 mil to constant contact.

    https://www.udemy.com/u/scottbritton/

    Learn to sell and perhaps get a job somewhere where you can learn digital marketing, social media and others skills.

    And online business is nothing without them, as those skills are the engine for growth.

    Growing a business is about more than solely learning in person sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I think a lot of us regular posters start from the point that the OPs are offering
    valuable solutions, unless they are specifically asking for input on their offer.

    An Operational Definition of selling seems to be needed. Everything you do to attract attention to
    your offer(s), online, offline, or in person is selling, or pre-selling, your offer. And yes, there many
    channels you can use and one should not limit themselves to one avenue in almost all cases.
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      I think a lot of us regular posters start from the point that the OPs are offering
      valuable solutions, unless they are specifically asking for input on their offer.

      An Operational Definition of selling seems to be needed. Everything you do to attract attention to
      your offer(s), online, offline, or in person is selling, or pre-selling, your offer. And yes, there many
      channels you can use and one should not limit themselves to one avenue in almost all cases.
      Yes, I think a new way of looking at things is needed.

      Making that assumption means that the newcomers coming here desperate for advice that will turn their fortunes around and be helpful to them in their case, are simply not getting that from people who are actually experts and could help them.

      It's just lazy to assume they have a great business model, company set up, social and web presence, have a usp or differentiator and have great offers and services. And yet just don't know how to sell and prospect properly.

      It's clear that is it not people knowledge that is at fault in where they are coming from, as the assumption being made.

      I was just watching the second video from that guy. Really good. Talking about preparation, and how the real estate associate estimate over 98% of agents don't have a formal structure. The situation he talks about in the video is identical to the main one here. Fair enough if people don't care about the newcomers getting the best advice for their situation, if there more concerned with leisure and letting of steam, or selling their courses, or just airing their own theories, but the reality is these people desperately need proper advice on how to make sure their business is set up and prepared for success, not simply how to sell when they are not even set up right to do that

      Here's the video where the guy talking about the parallel here in the estate agent industry:

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  • Profile picture of the author Sujinb14
    when you are living in a small town, sorry to say you are just wasting your time on coupon site.
    thing anything else you can do in small town and which could full your pockets with cash.

    do not desperate, remember, if your path is not EASY. you are on Right way.
    keep trying new ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground
      Originally Posted by Sujinb14 View Post

      when you are living in a small town, sorry to say you are just wasting your time on coupon site.
      thing anything else you can do in small town and which could full your pockets with cash.

      do not desperate, remember, if your path is not EASY. you are on Right way.
      keep trying new ideas.
      Well done for spotting that.

      In a really small town of less than a 150,000 people your going to need to create a greater resource than just a coupon or deal site, if it's worth making a site at all.

      You could rebrand the site for city or state that is has many people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nahawee A
    It seems like this is about to become critical. If it were me, I would make a decision about what I am passionate about and find a mentor in that area, to teach me what they know. Just imagine doing what you love and making money at it !!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author scnsz
    Try selling to school and colleges
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Because?

      If you just make statements like that, you're doing nobody any good. Give the reason behind your statement.

      Originally Posted by scnsz View Post

      Try selling to school and colleges
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  • Profile picture of the author BUFFALOBT
    Originally Posted by AZakaria View Post

    I have been out of work for 6 months now. I spend the last 4 months creating from scratch a really nice looking local listing for local business with coupons and discounts offers.

    I created my flyers and walked in business, restaurants and hair salons. I talked with some managers and owners, introduced my self and dropped my flyers. about 60 business so far.

    I have got no results and no calls from any of these business.

    I have about 2 months left before I completely run out of money.

    I am desperate and this is what I am going to do: I will create coupons for every single restaurant in my little town and upload it and see what happen. I have no permission from them to post ads or coupons for them. Will I get in legal issues because of doing so? Some business owner told me that restaurants.com posted a coupon for them without there agreement.

    I really don't know what to do to fill up my coupon website.
    Just posted this if interested in other business ideas...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...-business.html
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  • Profile picture of the author neuroscience
    A guy I know makes decent money finding empty walls where there is a lot of daily visitors. He would go to the local drugstore (aiming for doctors and therapists etc) or the local home depot (carpenters, painters etc), ask to rent part of the entrance wall, share profits and sell adspace. He is doing the same with lunchrestaurants, selling adspace on the foodtrays. Not a supersexy business, but he makes decent money.
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    • Profile picture of the author jeronamo
      If you are a web developer/graphic designer by trade why do you not offer those services to businesses? Companies, especially smaller ones are always looking designers that they can afford. Also, you could make a profile with your work on Freelancer, Fiverr, ect and apply for jobs.

      If you need a focus maybe promote restaurant menu design to all of the local restaurants, bars,golf courses, ect. They often need updating and could lead to repeat work.

      Lastly, you mentioned that you went to 60 business and didn't get any call back. Did you call or follow up with the business owners? The follow up is just as important to making a sale as the initial meeting, if not more. Sometime you may have to massage a contract for six weeks before even getting started.

      I wish you the best of luck!
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