Easy $4,000/week Income that you can start TODAY!

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This method is a solid business plan that's been working since the late 200x's. It has been long forgotten but still very, very feasible.

==Situation==

Businesses, for the most part, all have websites. However, if their small, they're likely to use website builders like Weebly, webs.com, etc. These companies offer WYSIWYG solutions that are easy to use, cheap, and simple.

However, most include "powered by weebly.com" or other attribution text on the site. These degrade the site's professionalism.

In addition to that, these solutions are generic and the design will never accurately reflect the site owner's business.

Because of that, owners of these sites are in a pain state: they have a site but they don't really like it and they don't know how to get a better one (if they did they would have never went with a website builder in the first place).

==Mission==

Contact these website owners, talk to them about their situation (it might not be on their mind when you talk to them), offer your solution, and sell them a website.

==Execution==

===Build a list of website builders===

Google "build a free website". That will give you a list of SaaSes (software as a service) that you can target.

Find example sites hosted by the SaaS and find a search footprint.

For example, weebly.com is #3 on the list for me. All weebly.com sites have "powered by weebly" in the footer by default (unless its removed in the config file). The footprint is "powered by weebly".

===Find business owners using the SaaS with advanced search operators===

Here's a guide on what advanced search operators are. https://support.google.com/websearch.../2466433?hl=en

Continuing the example, lets say I want to business in Las Vegas.
My first search query is "powered by weebly" "muffler" "las vegas" -site:weebly.com. Here's the logic:
"powered by weebly" - this is here because we only want weekly.com sites.
"Muffler" - I'm targeting muffler shops. I want to see how many muffler shops in LV are using weebly.com.
"Las vegas" - I only want results that have the word "las vegas" in them. Usually, businesses include their address in the site's footer.
-site:weebly.com - I only want to see results where the business owner is smart enough to pay for a $12/year domain name. If they're too cheap for that, their not serious about business IMO.

The result is one. One muffler shop in LV whose powered by weebly. saharamufflerlv.com - Sahara Mufflers & Catalytic Converters.

That query was too specific. Lets broaden it.

"powered by weebly" "las vegas" -site:weebly.com reports 107,000 results. Now I know there are 107,000 business in las vegas powered by weebly.com! That's enough to get a few sales!

You can either go down the list of 107,000 and find prospects but, note, Google only shows the first 1,000 results. Or, you can add another search parameter like "doctor" or "lawyer" or "flowers" to get only doctors, attorneys, florists.

When you've got a good query, take the sites and place them in a spreadsheet.

===Build a list of business to contact===

Go down the spreadsheet and find the business's contact info. Find personal details about the owner too if its available. Its always better to call them and say "Hey, is Jack here?" rather than "Hey, can I talk to the owner?"

===Contact the businesses===

Once you have the contact info, go down the list and begin calling. A list of 500 is good for a week of work.

Here's what you do when you're on the phone:
get in contact with the person who has the ability to buy a new website. No receptionists.
tell them about their current website and ask if they're happy with their website. If yes, go to next lead. If no, tell them what you can do for them.

Some will be interested and, sometimes, they'll want to talk to you in person about the website. That's fine. That's also why you should target business in your local area.

===Close the deal===

You can close on the phone or in person. When you close the deal, get 50% upfront and 50% upon delivery. Have the agreement in writing.

==Appendix==

===Pricing===

I price my websites starting at $495. Usually, these businesses just want a simple website that can be done in an afternoon.

===The web design process===

Here's how you do web design:
ask the client to pick 3 website he/she likes. Those will be used as guides for your design.
for local businesses, they'll mostly want to get people to call them. The key thing to design for is that the phone number is in the header, the site is easy to navigate, the pages clearly explain what the business does, and that the address and hours are easily visible.
create a wireframe for the business. Get them to approve it.
create a PSD mockup for the business. Get them to approve the drawing.
turn the PSD into a wordpress template. Super easy if you based your drawing off of a boilerplate.
get them to approve the site when you deliver.
collect the last 50% payment.

===Sample web design contracts===

Here's some samples for you to look at. AIGA | AIGA Standard Form of Agreement for Design Services

If you're closing over the phone or once you've got the hang of this, you can close clients who are outside of your physical area. This is *awesome*. Use Sign Documents Online, Digital Signature, Electronic Signature Software when you do this. It's a hell lot better than having an "email agreement." Its my go-to resource.

===How to outsource this===

If you don't know how to write PHP, HTML, and CSS (what Wordpress runs on) you can find a competent Wordpress designer and developer on eLance, Freelancer, or even craigslist for $10/hour.

If you go this route, send them the 3 sites the client wants and their description for the site. Ask for a wireframe. Get that approved. Than ask for a PSD. Get that approved. Than get the dude to turn it into a Wordpress theme. It shouldn't take more than 2 weeks and $250 if you chose to use a boiler plate.

===What's a boiler plate===

Web developers have made simple default themes that are properly coded. All you have to do is edit the file to get it to look like how you want it to look. This will save you a ton of time. The other route is to test the design over and over again to make sure it looks right on monitors, phones, and tablets as well as all the browsers past and present. Huge hassle.

Good ones are twitter bootstrap, responsive, boiler plate, and a few others.

===Why 50% upfront===
Here's why:
you want the client to commit to the deal. Its terrible when they back out after you've started work.
you want the client to pay you. It sucks if you've have their shit all done and they all the sudden have "problem" and can't pay you.
you can use the cash to pay your freelancer.

===Hosting===

If they have their own hosting, that's fine.

Offer to host it for something like $20/month if they don't.

For hosting, I recommend KnownHost. Their support will get back to you within 5 minutes. They'll also go out of their way to help you with your site.

==Conclusion==

You've now learned how to find leads on Google, how to contact them, how to sell them a website, and how to do it yourself or outsource it. If you can't code, obviously, outsource it. If you can do it yourself, upset the hell out of your service and charge them more than $495.

Most people won't pick up the phone. This is totally normal. I say its 5%-10% that pick up. In a day of calling (8hrs), you can land 1 client if you're a total noob. No joke. The target is basically a sitting duck and the $495 price is *cheap*.

Keep your head up, continue at it, and, once you've figured out the ropes, its easy to net $4,000 in a week with this method.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Is 8 hours a day "EASY"?? It sounds exhausting, but GOOD for you for doing it.

    gjabiz

    PS It sounds like what you are saying Rob is, "You can do it man!"


    Originally Posted by Rob Schneider View Post

    This method is a solid business plan that's been working since the late 200x's. It has been long forgotten but still very, very feasible.

    ==Situation==

    Businesses, for the most part, all have websites. However, if their small, they're likely to use website builders like Weebly, webs.com, etc. These companies offer WYSIWYG solutions that are easy to use, cheap, and simple.

    However, most include "powered by weebly.com" or other attribution text on the site. These degrade the site's professionalism.

    In addition to that, these solutions are generic and the design will never accurately reflect the site owner's business.

    Because of that, owners of these sites are in a pain state: they have a site but they don't really like it and they don't know how to get a better one (if they did they would have never went with a website builder in the first place).

    ==Mission==

    Contact these website owners, talk to them about their situation (it might not be on their mind when you talk to them), offer your solution, and sell them a website.

    ==Execution==

    ===Build a list of website builders===

    Google "build a free website". That will give you a list of SaaSes (software as a service) that you can target.

    Find example sites hosted by the SaaS and find a search footprint.

    For example, weebly.com is #3 on the list for me. All weebly.com sites have "powered by weebly" in the footer by default (unless its removed in the config file). The footprint is "powered by weebly".

    ===Find business owners using the SaaS with advanced search operators===

    Here's a guide on what advanced search operators are. https://support.google.com/websearch.../2466433?hl=en

    Continuing the example, lets say I want to business in Las Vegas.
    My first search query is "powered by weebly" "muffler" "las vegas" -site:weebly.com. Here's the logic:
    "powered by weebly" - this is here because we only want weekly.com sites.
    "Muffler" - I'm targeting muffler shops. I want to see how many muffler shops in LV are using weebly.com.
    "Las vegas" - I only want results that have the word "las vegas" in them. Usually, businesses include their address in the site's footer.
    -site:weebly.com - I only want to see results where the business owner is smart enough to pay for a $12/year domain name. If they're too cheap for that, their not serious about business IMO.

    The result is one. One muffler shop in LV whose powered by weebly. saharamufflerlv.com - Sahara Mufflers & Catalytic Converters.

    That query was too specific. Lets broaden it.

    "powered by weebly" "las vegas" -site:weebly.com reports 107,000 results. Now I know there are 107,000 business in las vegas powered by weebly.com! That's enough to get a few sales!

    You can either go down the list of 107,000 and find prospects but, note, Google only shows the first 1,000 results. Or, you can add another search parameter like "doctor" or "lawyer" or "flowers" to get only doctors, attorneys, florists.

    When you've got a good query, take the sites and place them in a spreadsheet.

    ===Build a list of business to contact===

    Go down the spreadsheet and find the business's contact info. Find personal details about the owner too if its available. Its always better to call them and say "Hey, is Jack here?" rather than "Hey, can I talk to the owner?"

    ===Contact the businesses===

    Once you have the contact info, go down the list and begin calling. A list of 500 is good for a week of work.

    Here's what you do when you're on the phone:
    get in contact with the person who has the ability to buy a new website. No receptionists.
    tell them about their current website and ask if they're happy with their website. If yes, go to next lead. If no, tell them what you can do for them.

    Some will be interested and, sometimes, they'll want to talk to you in person about the website. That's fine. That's also why you should target business in your local area.

    ===Close the deal===

    You can close on the phone or in person. When you close the deal, get 50% upfront and 50% upon delivery. Have the agreement in writing.

    ==Appendix==

    ===Pricing===

    I price my websites starting at $495. Usually, these businesses just want a simple website that can be done in an afternoon.

    ===The web design process===

    Here's how you do web design:
    ask the client to pick 3 website he/she likes. Those will be used as guides for your design.
    for local businesses, they'll mostly want to get people to call them. The key thing to design for is that the phone number is in the header, the site is easy to navigate, the pages clearly explain what the business does, and that the address and hours are easily visible.
    create a wireframe for the business. Get them to approve it.
    create a PSD mockup for the business. Get them to approve the drawing.
    turn the PSD into a wordpress template. Super easy if you based your drawing off of a boilerplate.
    get them to approve the site when you deliver.
    collect the last 50% payment.

    ===Sample web design contracts===

    Here's some samples for you to look at. AIGA | AIGA Standard Form of Agreement for Design Services

    If you're closing over the phone or once you've got the hang of this, you can close clients who are outside of your physical area. This is *awesome*. Use Sign Documents Online, Digital Signature, Electronic Signature Software when you do this. It's a hell lot better than having an "email agreement." Its my go-to resource.

    ===How to outsource this===

    If you don't know how to write PHP, HTML, and CSS (what Wordpress runs on) you can find a competent Wordpress designer and developer on eLance, Freelancer, or even craigslist for $10/hour.

    If you go this route, send them the 3 sites the client wants and their description for the site. Ask for a wireframe. Get that approved. Than ask for a PSD. Get that approved. Than get the dude to turn it into a Wordpress theme. It shouldn't take more than 2 weeks and $250 if you chose to use a boiler plate.

    ===What's a boiler plate===

    Web developers have made simple default themes that are properly coded. All you have to do is edit the file to get it to look like how you want it to look. This will save you a ton of time. The other route is to test the design over and over again to make sure it looks right on monitors, phones, and tablets as well as all the browsers past and present. Huge hassle.

    Good ones are twitter bootstrap, responsive, boiler plate, and a few others.

    ===Why 50% upfront===
    Here's why:
    you want the client to commit to the deal. Its terrible when they back out after you've started work.
    you want the client to pay you. It sucks if you've have their shit all done and they all the sudden have "problem" and can't pay you.
    you can use the cash to pay your freelancer.

    ===Hosting===

    If they have their own hosting, that's fine.

    Offer to host it for something like $20/month if they don't.

    For hosting, I recommend KnownHost. Their support will get back to you within 5 minutes. They'll also go out of their way to help you with your site.

    ==Conclusion==

    You've now learned how to find leads on Google, how to contact them, how to sell them a website, and how to do it yourself or outsource it. If you can't code, obviously, outsource it. If you can do it yourself, upset the hell out of your service and charge them more than $495.

    Most people won't pick up the phone. This is totally normal. I say its 5%-10% that pick up. In a day of calling (8hrs), you can land 1 client if you're a total noob. No joke. The target is basically a sitting duck and the $495 price is *cheap*.

    Keep your head up, continue at it, and, once you've figured out the ropes, its easy to net $4,000 in a week with this method.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Lessard
    Can this be done? Yes.
    Is it easy? No.
    Easy for some for sure but most people would not cold call anyone, ever, for any reason!
    and even less of them could sell someone a bucket of water, even if there hair was on fire.

    Personally I also HATE the prospect type. I have no interest in talking to people that care so little about their site that it is powered by weebly lol
    They were cheap then, they are cheap now.

    Good for you for being a go getter if you are actually doing this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
    I appreciate that you actually posted a reasonable plan without trying to sell it as a "guru report".

    While it may not be easy it sounds as if he really does this and it is a solid plan, from there you could add other services and upsells...seo, social media, branding, , upsells on the websites

    While I agree a weebly type site owner may be cheap at least you will probably reach them....trying to reach the decision maker in larger more "together" biz can be hard...and then they have to go through a longer more involved process most of the time.

    This presents some real world ideas to people who want to "make muny offline" Thanks Rob and let us know how it is going
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      I honestly think this thread.. that post should be made sticky. It may not be easy.. but there it is. Simply a great post Rob!
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  • Profile picture of the author animal44
    People who have weebly sites are not in pain. They build weebly sites because they're free, and more than likely they'll be proud of their creation...
    They go free because they don't have any money for a "real" website or because they don't see the value.

    Nathan says, in his WSO, that for every 100 calls you'll get 1 lead and for every 10 leads you'll get a sale. That's 1000 calls for every sale. To make $4000 per week, you'd need to make 8000 calls per week... Good luck on that :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
      Originally Posted by animal44 View Post

      People who have weebly sites are not in pain. They build weebly sites because they're free, and more than likely they'll be proud of their creation...
      They go free because they don't have any money for a "real" website or because they don't see the value.

      Nathan says, in his WSO, that for every 100 calls you'll get 1 lead and for every 10 leads you'll get a sale. That's 1000 calls for every sale. To make $4000 per week, you'd need to make 8000 calls per week... Good luck on that :-)

      There are many ways to approach them.....email, ads, and phone. It gives a new person a target market. I am sorry that you are so limited in your country that you have dnc lists for biz to biz...we don't.

      This is a perfectly viable method for a web designer kid to get start in the US.

      Yes, in your country they might have to go run round in person cause of your dnc lists...in some poorer countries they might have to offer their services to "mericans" on fiverr or elance

      But here we can still start a viable business pretty easily. I have some European friends who have told me about all the laws, and regulations, and VAT and stuff they have to go through in Europe. In some countries like Scandinavians they are taxed so heavy and so much red tape they just work their 35 hours a week, get their benefits, go on their frequent holidays. Like it or not we can still be entrepreneurs here LOL (and workaholics)
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    Originally Posted by Rob Schneider View Post

    For example, weebly.com is #3 on the list for me. All weebly.com sites have "powered by weebly” in the footer by default (unless its removed in the config file). The footprint is "powered by weebly”.
    It is there on the free version, if you upgrade to pro or business it is easily removed in your admin / editor.
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

      It is there on the free version, if you upgrade to pro or business it is easily removed in your admin / editor.
      so try: "Weebly.footer.setupContainer" "muffler" -site:weebly.com

      If there is a will there is a way.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        Tried it. Doesn't quite work.

        But if I type a letter.weebly.com

        n.weebly.com
        b.weebly.com
        f.weebly.com

        I get a list of sites made with weebly whose domain name ends in the letter I put in front of .weebly.com. The letter a doesn't work that well as google thinks it's the indefinite article.

        If you do site:weebly.com, the first dozens are weebly itself, but then it's just a bunch of sites created on weebly.

        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        so try: "Weebly.footer.setupContainer" "muffler" -site:weebly.com

        If there is a will there is a way.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    "Easy $4000/week." Can't see it. Seems like a hell of a lot of work... for sketchy clients... for peanuts.

    Every man and his dog hates cold-calling. Both the callers and the receivers. There's an art to it. It's not just a matter of picking up the phone and "tell them about their current website and ask if they’re happy with their website". That will lead to them hanging up in your ear.

    As others have pointed out, there's a reason they are using free sites for their business - they're cheapskates and quite possibly not very bright. Working for cheapskates and dopes is more trouble than it's worth. You'd be better off targeting existing sites that are not "responsive" - i.e. optimized for mobile phones and palm-held devices.

    Then the pitch becomes "Do you know how much business you're missing out on because your customers can't read your website on their cellphone?"
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe J
      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      ..........As others have pointed out, there's a reason they are using free sites for their business - they're cheapskates and quite possible not very bright. Working for cheapskates and dopes is more trouble than it's worth........."
      I'm guessing there are a lot of people in business because they actually are smart.

      Maybe they had some very bad salesman approach them and their waiting for that one professional that can show them what a good investment it would be to hire them.

      Or possibly it could be a lot of them don't want to get up off of their hard earned money until they are educated enough about the subject.


      Maybe they are a fairly new business or just recently acquired an existing business.

      They just might not be sold yet.

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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      Every man and his dog hates cold-calling. Both the callers and the receivers. There's an art to it.
      I wouldn't agree with that, at all. There is nothing more enjoyable or fulfilling for someone who has made a successful living off of the fruits of cold-calling, than picking up the phone and creating their art. :-)

      Did the masters hate putting brush to canvas? Do people hate viewing their work?

      Pretentious? I guess that depends on how successful someone has been. That said, I know of more than one copywriter who would wholeheartedly classify their own work product as art.

      I'm just sayin'. :-)

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
    I agree with Joe.

    One problem I see with many "techy" people is that they degrade the smarts of (small) biz people who lack technical abilities.

    Can you/i cut hair, install a roof or build a swimming pool....make a pizza....run a room full of insurance agents, fix a transmission and so forth?

    These people build their business, hone their trade, skills,employ others...

    somewhere along the way technology passed them by.

    In dealing with real biz people in the real world (something I often question here LOL)....I have found that many times a biz owner left the "internet" decisions up to a "former" office manager....a family member ...and so forth. For exampe one reason many have messed up citations is that a variety of people 'created" them with no rhyme or reason.

    Another thing I see a lot is an established small biz that has no real "plan" about their branding, In talking with them - and trying to sort it out - I usually find that they had many hands stirring the pot...
    web designer years ago made one look....a printer gave them a deal and they had other look for biz cards and flyers.....they took ads in local coupon mags who did "free" graphics for them with yet another look.....the former office manager or their nephew set them up a facebook page etc with yet another color scheme and "look" and so forth.

    To categorize all these successful (yes because they are still in business) so harshly is pretty unfair.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      I know a few small business owners who have free sites. It's because the expensive sites whose owners they know do not bring business but they've also heard that a good website will bring business.

      Not knowing what a good website is, they go the free way, trying to figure it out.

      A friend had an expensive site built some years ago that got him not one lead. After a while, he tried his hand at wordpress, then a weebly, he also did research into what makes a site a good site... and ended up confused.

      Took him 2 years of research and talking to a lot of people who were willing to make him another expensive site without guaranteeing it will convert before he figured out what was needed.

      It took that long because he is damn busy.

      That said, I also know of business owners who have a weebly because anything over $50 on internet marketing is wasting money... (He spends hundreds a day on flyers... which he has proof work... But he's cheap about them, so if you offer to make him flyers a 1 penny a flyer, delivered, he's going to spend 2 hours trying to convince you to cut that down to half a penny.

      Also, lots of them have a regular website and buy some kind of advertising that comes with a free site... Look at dex sites... Some silly, useless sites have a company that has an amazing, $25k or more site.

      That said, the OP offered something that can, if followed, produce clients and income. Depending your skills, it will be easy or hard, but it will produce results, as is.

      It is, in other words, a great starting point. Which is more than I can say for many of the other plans offered as WSO's or coaching I've come across.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        The reason why I think the OP is such a great post... In a nut shell as a developer this is dang near the exact same model I follow in my personal web development business.

        Not to any surprise ( and Ill explain this in a moment ) there are people saying that's to hard or that wont work. I'm good with that, I understand that. People that build websites fall into 3 going on 4 categories. You have people that can get there way around say a wordpress site, and to some degree get one together. I classify these folks as website builders.

        The second category falls right in place with the first. Its those that get caught up In the simplicity of weebly or wix or squarespace or any number of these types of services. Why would you pay hundreds or thousands when the commercial on tv says even an idiot can do it, and do it in an evening ( 3 months later they still are struggling )

        You then get into the category such as what the OP is suggesting; a "Web Designer". Through the use of an outside tool they can "design" a site and bring it into wordpress to give it that "custom" look and feel. There is of course some technicality in this - for obvious reasons, but once you know what you are doing you CAN produce some pretty nice work.

        Once you get to this level there becomes the ability to start systemizing the process. You can work within the concepts of design templates and layouts to increase productivity. Rob goes over the ideas, not in detail but he laid it out there. For the most part, any layout with this concept and design work can be replicated. There is an obvious marketing strength in this - there are also some back end production hang ups with this as well.

        In what I will call the last category is the guys that are "Site Developers". In general these guys will take a theme and work within the structure of the theme to produce a final product. There is coding involved. There is custom templates. More often than not there is a fair amount of CSS. There can be a fair amount of PHP in this as well.

        I place myself in this category. I primarily work within 4 Wordpress themes that give me something like 20 separate appearances and feels. the 4 themes I work with incase anyone is wondering Mystile, Virtue, Responsive II, and the new StoreFront Theme. Keep in mind I primarily do commerce sites. by no means all of them, but a vast majority.

        As I approach a client I have 20 different site designs to choose from. The layout customizing is already done at this point. All I need is a logo and some color choices, and the site is damn near done, at the point of getting started. Im adding text and images for the most part after that. Again VERY systemized, more so than the designer category.

        For my own business, I have developed a back end page layout builder. basically a plugin of sorts. and again VERY systemized. Granted.. I have the ability, be it myself or one of my coders to make these things happen. Basically with experience comes the ability and foresight to make things like this.

        So, if you are in the first 2 categories, you are pretty much going to think this business model is hard. forget the cold calling and all of that. the technical ability to complete the work seems daunting. I personally believe if you are in these 2 categories and you are thinking you will outsource the labor... that in itself will be another battle.

        How can you tell someone else how to build a site if you don't know how? - and then throw on top of that the need to translate the communication between you and the client with you and the programmer. I thinks its just trouble waiting to happen.

        So now we get into the marketing. The whole weebly thing is really short of brilliant. How often is it said in this forum... target those that already have a website? I hear you over there... your supposed to target those that PAID for one. Honestly tho... how do you know who has paid for a site and who hasn't? Did you know that based on a good number of stats that 66% of all sites that represent companies of 12 employees or less are done in house?

        If I were to pick up the phone tomorrow and start calling weebly site owners.. I would pull a modified Kanigan, and it would look something like this:

        Hello is so and so in?

        Hi, my name is savidge 4 with savidge web development is now a good time?
        I happened across your site and thought I would give you a call. Did you build your site yourself?
        Sites are a lot of work aren't they?
        If you had to place a number on it how many hours would you say it took to build your site?
        I don't want to hit a nerve but is your site producing the results you thought it would?
        Let me ask you this then, If I were to hire your personally by the hour, what would your hourly rate be? ( this number is usually in the 20 to $30 range btw ) - say they say it took 100 hours they just told you $25 an hour -
        So basically name, your site cost you $2500? ( there is an instant dive in the tone of the prospect here. )
        If I may, let me go a bit further here. what is the average sale total in your store? - we will say $50 here as an example. -
        What would you think about your site if it could produce 10 customers in the next 3 months? ( the tone lifts back up with this question )
        If you haven't figured out by now I am a web developer ( there is usually a laugh here ) - again increasing the spirits giving the tone of the call a lift.
        I design sites, and your site I would quote at $495 to replicate what you already have and make the necessary changes to increase your conversions from site to store.
        - Insert the sorry excuse, or the NO. -
        What if I told you, that within a 3 month period of the site going live I will guarantee you get those 10 customers, and hopefully more?

        At this point it is pretty much a yes or a no - I use a case study bundle by e-mail at this point. I have 2 of these. One with reference phone #'s and the other without. depending on where I think they are in the process having the ability to call "Beth" at "Beths Shoes" can be that extra bit they need. If I think its a shot in the dark. I send the one without number so I don't burn Beth out with calls.

        You have pulled the Kanigan and have asserted by using their numbers the site is worth $2500. Pretty much as long as the price you present is less than their number you are in good shape.

        As I will assume many noticed, I am making a claim here. 10 customers in 3 months. I personally am a results based service provider. Straight across the board in everything I do, this is my personal methodology. If you do not know how to pull traffic.. you had better not use this pitch.

        If you are just starting out. seriously invest in yourself build an amazon affiliate site and make money - learn how to pull that traffic. ONCE you can do this. you are different than every other call any of these people get. your not offering a site.. you are offering results.
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        • Profile picture of the author animal44
          With respect, Here's what I think the business owner would be thinking...
          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          Hi, my name is savidge 4 with savidge web development is now a good time?
          Oh no, not another web developer, that's the tenth one today!

          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          I happened across your site and thought I would give you a call.
          So you have nothing better to do than interrupt my day?



          I won't go on...

          I'd suggest that any newbie who thinks that this will work to try it out and report back here. I predict there'll be few, if any. And I predict none will come close to $4,000 per week...

          Perhaps we should offer a prize for anyone who achieves $4,000 per week...
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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            So, A. don't say you're a developer.

            B. Look up Kanigan's posts that Savidged referenced... Adapt from the source. It's a good way. I've used it and I actually get people talking to me. And I'm super-introverted.

            Take from Savidged what you can use, change the rest, if you can, ignore the parts you don't like. But don't knock the whole thing. It's got quite a few good things.

            And, yes, you're right, if you're new at marketing and cold calling, it will be hard. But so is being broke; so is being unemployed. And, if you keep at it, you get better, assuming you have a couple of grey cells left and pride doesn't get in the way.

            Originally Posted by animal44 View Post

            With respect, Here's what I think the business owner would be thinking...

            Oh no, not another web developer, that's the tenth one today!


            So you have nothing better to do than interrupt my day?



            I won't go on...

            I'd suggest that any newbie who thinks that this will work to try it out and report back here. I predict there'll be few, if any. And I predict none will come close to $4,000 per week...

            Perhaps we should offer a prize for anyone who achieves $4,000 per week...
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          • Profile picture of the author savidge4
            Originally Posted by animal44 View Post

            With respect, Here's what I think the business owner would be thinking...

            Oh no, not another web developer, that's the tenth one today!
            And that's fine, I am in no way going to connect with every phone call you are a no and I move on.. OR you are one of those that let the whole thing play out and listen to the pitch.. the back end will be something you haven't heard before... Its at that point I personally can tell if there is a glimmer of a chance with this prospect.

            Originally Posted by animal44 View Post

            So you have nothing better to do than interrupt my day?
            Nope.. top priority actually. if im not on the phone making sales then how will I feed my family?

            Originally Posted by animal44 View Post

            I'd suggest that any newbie who thinks that this will work to try it out and report back here. I predict there'll be few, if any. And I predict none will come close to $4,000 per week...
            That's the point here. for a "newbie" they are going to fall into category 1 or 2 and they simply will not be able to push the volume needed on the fulfillment side alone to reach that number. - they MIGHT get 1 done in the first few weeks Put this in front of someone with some technical know how.. and the possibility to reach and fulfill 10 clients a week is not that far fetched at all.

            If you are working for yourself BY yourself there has to be a balance in the amount of time you spend prospecting and the time spent fulfilling. Trying to get your first job then yeah 8 hours a day on the phone and make it happen capt. but after that... WHILE you are working on the site you completed you have to be on the phone for a certain amount every day.

            Up to and including this morning I spend 2 to 3 hours 7 days a week in what we will call sales mode. 9am to noon should really be spent on the phone. 1 to 5 should be spent working with the client you have and depending on the amount of work the rest of the evening should be spent fulfilling the jobs.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post


          I place myself in this category. I primarily work within 4 Wordpress themes that give me something like 20 separate appearances and feels. the 4 themes I work with incase anyone is wondering Mystile, Virtue, Responsive II, and the new StoreFront Theme. Keep in mind I primarily do commerce sites. by no means all of them, but a vast majority.
          Just curious for a non e-commerce site, do you have a preference of the 4 themes (assume StoreFront wouldn't be used for this)? How do you choose?

          And if you were back in the category 1 or 2 days and had to choose only one theme which would it be? Would that be the same for once you have reached category 3 or 4?

          For Responsive II and Virtue do you use the free or paid versions?

          Thanks to everyone for all their help and insights.

          Mark

          Edit: The main reason I ask this question is that you seem so systematized and logical in most everything you do. There seems to always be a well thought out reason. So just interested in your thinking on this.
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          • Profile picture of the author savidge4
            when it gets right down to brass tacks I think all word press themes are about the same ( visually and for the most part ) Once you get passed the header and you have text on the left and a side bar on the right... its just wordpress.

            my absolute preference if I could use only 1 would be Mystile. I just built a site using it today as a matter of fact. ( and looking at it you would ever know. ) I spent a good amount and time and money in October to December 2013 looking at themes. I had decided I needed to get into Wordpress but there were the lingering reasons I had not done so before hand.

            Updates are a bit itch. The site goes down, there is this whole process of finding the conflict between the new and the old, and the waiting on plugin developers to catch up. If you are building a business on the ideals of stable and 24/7 store front... these are kind of the last things you want to happen.

            All this research led me to a better understanding of the politics and pull of the underside of Wordpress. What standard is. The dynamics of the different platforms that are "Wordpress" and who was in what camp. Many WooTheme Devs also build themes outside of Woo, as well as plugins. So for me stability was the Woo Framework, and Mystile had the basic shell I was looking for.

            When I get a theme for the first time I sit down and will sit for hours and CSS manipulate the crap out of it. change this move that manipulate this remove that. just see how far I can push it. Mystile and its Navigation placement was the most forgiving of all the themes.

            Now why Virtue and Responsive. Ill start with Virtue. I have a good amount of "Artsy" clients. I do use the free version of Virtue for the most part. ( if the client wants to have breadcrumbs I do get the upgrade version ) It just has a visual impact. I think more so than any other theme. And again like Mystile there is a good amount of layout control based on the Navigation placement. ( there are 5 navigation locations possible in that theme )

            Unlike Mystile where I have had to figure everything out my self. Virtue.. the support there is I think second to none. they are just awesome.

            Responsive... I like the home page layout.. ( I run with the header removed, and use the video hero section with the 3 CTA boxes below on a good amount of sites. it is just really good for conversion ) and it has some added Navigation that Mystile does not have. I do again use the free version of this as well. There are some programming quirks with it a bit. but it is very stable. and the predecessor has been around for a while as well and many still use that one as well.

            To give you a better idea of Mystile and what it can do, you can go here and look at pages 1 and 4 CSS to Customize the Mystile Theme | Upload WP Community Forums I pretty much break down a good amount of that theme with visuals

            Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

            Just curious for a non e-commerce site, do you have a preference of the 4 themes (assume StoreFront wouldn't be used for this)? How do you choose?

            And if you were back in the category 1 or 2 days and had to choose only one theme which would it be? Would that be the same for once you have reached category 3 or 4?

            For Responsive II and Virtue do you use the free or paid versions?

            Thanks to everyone for all their help and insights.

            Mark

            Edit: The main reason I ask this question is that you seem so systematized and logical in most everything you do. There seems to always be a well thought out reason. So just interested in your thinking on this.
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  • Profile picture of the author BestPayInUsa
    Sounds great but business already get 10 calls a day from a company saying they're Google and they'll build them a website and get them on first page of Google for $99/mo or more. So with this website gig you have to throw in the Google placement or marketing of some sort.

    You might find that needle in the haystack but not $4,000. I use to only do telemarketing and selling websites and the only time I made $4,000 or more was when I outsourced for my leads for business owners that were opting in for web design help. Not by going on google and doing all the tedious work.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      So, you paid someone to do the the tedious work, and it worked. If you can't afford to have someone else do the tedious work, guess what? You gots to do it.

      Originally Posted by BestPayInUsa View Post

      Sounds great but business already get 10 calls a day from a company saying they're Google and they'll build them a website and get them on first page of Google for $99/mo or more. So with this website gig you have to throw in the Google placement or marketing of some sort.

      You might find that needle in the haystack but not $4,000. I use to only do telemarketing and selling websites and the only time I made $4,000 or more was when I outsourced for my leads for business owners that were opting in for web design help. Not by going on google and doing all the tedious work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    What would be the suggestion for someone that was in category 1 or 2 as far as web design but wanted to follow a simple plan like has been presented and sell websites or "packages" to offline businesses?

    Keep learning until you are a category 3?

    Outsource?

    Put out category 1 or 2 type sites - nice theme, stock photos, basic, functional sites and focus on the marketing pieces like email or SEO and once money/traffic/patients/clients is coming in get someone to come in and make the site pretty?

    Other?

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      What would be the suggestion for someone that was in category 1 or 2 as far as web design but wanted to follow a simple plan like has been presented and sell websites or "packages" to offline businesses?

      Keep learning until you are a category 3?

      Outsource?

      Put out category 1 or 2 type sites - nice theme, stock photos, basic, functional sites and focus on the marketing pieces like email or SEO and once money/traffic/patients/clients is coming in get someone to come in and make the site pretty?

      Other?

      Mark
      I'd start by asking a different question.

      Which is more important to the business owner, a "pretty site", or one that generates new leads and helps him increase sales to existing clients?

      If you understand marketing, and can help him get more clients and earn more money, pretty is not nearly as important.

      You still need to build sites that are attractive, functional, and fast....but they don't need to have all the latest technology to be effective.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      My suggestion? Partner with someone who can do websites but not marketing or hates the marketing part.

      By partnering, I mean form a corporation that you and that other person own (write down exactly who owns what and who is responsible for what).

      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      What would be the suggestion for someone that was in category 1 or 2 as far as web design but wanted to follow a simple plan like has been presented and sell websites or "packages" to offline businesses?

      Keep learning until you are a category 3?

      Outsource?

      Put out category 1 or 2 type sites - nice theme, stock photos, basic, functional sites and focus on the marketing pieces like email or SEO and once money/traffic/patients/clients is coming in get someone to come in and make the site pretty?

      Other?

      Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      What would be the suggestion for someone that was in category 1 or 2 as far as web design but wanted to follow a simple plan like has been presented and sell websites or "packages" to offline businesses?

      Keep learning until you are a category 3?

      Outsource?

      Put out category 1 or 2 type sites - nice theme, stock photos, basic, functional sites and focus on the marketing pieces like email or SEO and once money/traffic/patients/clients is coming in get someone to come in and make the site pretty?

      Other?

      Mark
      If you knock back the absolute basic concepts of a site you are left with who, what where, when and why - with a dash of how. ( 5W's and an H ) So a doctor we will say ( not a suggested target however ) WHO are they what's their name company name etc.

      WHAT do they do.. what type of medicine do they practice. what services do they offer.

      WHERE - as in location of office pretty simple.

      WHEN would be hours the office is open.

      WHY can take on 2 parts. #1 why would you visit this doctor. THIS is a key factor in traffic building. You want to list whatever it is this guy can fix. have insomnia, runny nose and an itch on your left foot - see doctor Phil he has a pill for that. #2 is the clients background why does he practice this form of medicine. every doctor has a back story and many are a bit emotional. you are not going to get this in every case.. but you would be surprised how often you can. It is that added information on a site that humanizes the experience, and makes an emotional connection ( particularly with a certain demographic group )

      HOW can be anything from fast, to efficient, with care. How they go about whatever it is they do.

      So now we know what elements need to be on a site.. lets put them on some pages.

      HOME: WHY #1 WHO and WHAT
      About Us: WHY #2 WHAT HOW
      Contact Us: WHERE and WHEN
      FOOTER WHERE and WHEN

      At this point we know what we need from a client to build a basic site and we know where to put it. the remainder of the project is about drawing traffic. and THIS is where most stumble and fall. They can build a site, but they cant get the client results. More importantly in the model I suggested above.. I was going to bring 10 new customers. I need to be able to track this.

      I tend to go with a SPECIAL OFFER page on the site. When possible ( for offline clients ) I do not suggest free anything. I don't offer discounts. I will say that again do not offer FREE or DISCOUNTS. there are far to many other things that a potential customer of our client will hold of value to need to do that.

      You call a doctors office to set an appointment and they give you a date a month from now... it sucks right? what if from the site you allow the customer to mention the site offer, and they get to "cut the line" and get in within a week? I can tell you from experience it works. The times I have done this many times the offer is set for new customers only.

      The same goes with trades... someone will be there today or tomorrow. TIME is far more valuable than a silly free or discount offer.

      So here is an exercise for you... develop a mock up client in your head. develop a site for that mick up client using a free theme. don't do it once, do it twice 3 times with different themes. How long does it take for you to build the site? Anywhere in the 10 hour mark and you are doing rather well. 20 hours you are still good. 30 hours... boy you are in trouble.

      in the 10 hour mark, with 3 hours a day dedicated to getting new business 2 to 4 hours a day dedicated to getting all of this information needed to complete the site and then say 5 hours a day to actually "code" you can complete a site every 2 days. you can in theory produce 3 to 4 sites a week.

      With 20 hour builds you are looking at about 2 a week. and 30 hours maybe 1 a week if not longer. So the high end of this you are making $2000 a week, and the low end you are making $500 a week. And this is where the systems of Category 3 and 4 come into play. Category 3 types might be able to double the production. A category 4 would be able to triple and quadruple the production.

      I could easily develop 10 what I call business card sites in a week ( from sale to handing over the keys ). I would be busting my back end doing it, but I KNOW it can be done. ( I will note that this is not a level you would want to stay at for long by yourself - you would burn out pretty fast. )

      Then there is outsourcing... Even with this option I would say build some mock up sites and get an idea of the process of building a site. Understand the work involved. have at least a basic idea how long this stuff takes.

      Communication with outsourced labor is PARAMOUNT. if they don't know what you want.. how are they going to be able to deliver what the client wants from you? If you can provide at the very least some notes on what pages need to be created and the overall visual clues for the site you should be alright.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        The OP has not posted again to explain.

        Perhaps because this same thread was posted in the past on BHW and two other forums under different names?

        Not saying it's a bad plan - but not his plan.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          The OP has not posted again to explain.

          Perhaps because this same thread was posted in the past on BHW and two other forums under different names?

          Not saying it's a bad plan - but not his plan.
          Didn't notice that and I normally watch out for it. Either way, it's turning out to be a good thread even without the OP.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    3 or 4 questions here:

    1. So we're talking a 4 or 5 page site for the $495?

    2. Has anyone taken a look at this outsourcing deal through the WSO forum that seems to have struck a chord? Basically you join a membership site that gives you insider access to an outsourcing team, portfolio to share, etc. They've run this WSO 2 or 3 times: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...e-reviews.html Their portfolio is at Portfolio | StartBucks

    3. If we are talking about someone that did it himself through Weebly, then what is wrong with basically duplicating his site - not adding all the gadgets and cool graphics but having a basic functional site (like they do now) but focus on the marketing of it. The reason I ask this is because we get people all the time that make some smart aleck comment like "welcome to the 90's" when they see a site built without all the cutting edge, premium, features. They say this because the site isn't professional enough yet thousands do fine (for their purpose) with a GD or Weebly DIY site.

    4. And finally, what do you think of this site; http://www.lifestyledentalgroup.com/ This guy actually posted in the main forum a few days ago looking for a marketing consultant. Do you see this type of site as more of a cat 1/2 or 3/4 type?

    Thanks for all the info. This is a good thread.

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      3 or 4 questions here:

      1. So we're talking a 4 or 5 page site for the $495?

      2. Has anyone taken a look at this outsourcing deal through the WSO forum that seems to have struck a chord? Basically you join a membership site that gives you insider access to an outsourcing team, portfolio to share, etc. They've run this WSO 2 or 3 times: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...e-reviews.html Their portfolio is at Portfolio | StartBucks

      3. If we are talking about someone that did it himself through Weebly, then what is wrong with basically duplicating his site - not adding all the gadgets and cool graphics but having a basic functional site (like they do now) but focus on the marketing of it. The reason I ask this is because we get people all the time that make some smart aleck comment like "welcome to the 90's" when they see a site built without all the cutting edge, premium, features. They say this because the site isn't professional enough yet thousands do fine (for their purpose) with a GD or Weebly DIY site.

      4. And finally, what do you think of this site; http://www.lifestyledentalgroup.com/ This guy actually posted in the main forum a few days ago looking for a marketing consultant. Do you see this type of site as more of a cat 1/2 or 3/4 type?

      Thanks for all the info. This is a good thread.

      Mark
      that site is from http://www.greatdentalwebsites.com/
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      3 or 4 questions here:

      1. So we're talking a 4 or 5 page site for the $495?
      Maybe a touch more but not by much. Minimum needed by each and every client can be a bit different. Its all a matter of relaying a message that a consumer will connect with, and act apon. The whole affiliate marketing crowd proves in can be done in a 2 page funnel.

      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      2. Has anyone taken a look at this outsourcing deal through the WSO forum that seems to have struck a chord? Basically you join a membership site that gives you insider access to an outsourcing team, portfolio to share, etc. They've run this WSO 2 or 3 times: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...e-reviews.html Their portfolio is at Portfolio | StartBucks
      I have never looked before this evening. They use the same theme over and over Themeforest's buildpress. I have never really played with the theme before so I don't know what the back end looks like, but from the look of his work, I will imagine most of the changes can be done in the back end.

      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      3. If we are talking about someone that did it himself through Weebly, then what is wrong with basically duplicating his site - not adding all the gadgets and cool graphics but having a basic functional site (like they do now) but focus on the marketing of it. The reason I ask this is because we get people all the time that make some smart aleck comment like "welcome to the 90's" when they see a site built without all the cutting edge, premium, features. They say this because the site isn't professional enough yet thousands do fine (for their purpose) with a GD or Weebly DIY site.
      For me its not about the tech of the site, but the function. In most cases the tech becomes the function.. so if the site looks 90's more often than not it is going to be missing the elements of function that create conversion. You have to keep in mind here we are living through what is called the technological age.

      If you are out and about and see someone using a "flip-phone" ( all what 4 years old or so ) you think they are in the dark ages! Sites are the same. left side bar sites are a thing of the past. today you need to develop right sidebar. 5 years ago not a single developer would DARE build a parallax site.. they still are not the norm, but they are getting there.

      If you are aiming for a younger demographic you had better get your tech on ( at least to a minimum ) to reach that audience. If your responsive site does not allow mobile users to press a phone number to dial.. the younger crowd is off to the next site ( for those of you that use images to place phone numbers on pages )

      And the "thousands do fine"... thousands out of millions? so what the .001% of site owners? is that really the percentage you want to be in?

      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      4. And finally, what do you think of this site; http://www.lifestyledentalgroup.com/ This guy actually posted in the main forum a few days ago looking for a marketing consultant. Do you see this type of site as more of a cat 1/2 or 3/4 type?
      I don't even have to tell you what I think of that site. For a point of contrast lets look at a site developed by the WSO folks above: Danville Dog which would you rather be the owner of?

      I CAN tell you the dentist site I would use Mystile to develop, and about exact clone. In fact just about that exact layout is one of the 20 that I use.
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      • Profile picture of the author eccj
        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        For me its not about the tech of the site, but the function. In most cases the tech becomes the function.. so if the site looks 90's more often than not it is going to be missing the elements of function that create conversion. You have to keep in mind here we are living through what is called the technological age.

        If you are out and about and see someone using a "flip-phone" ( all what 4 years old or so ) you think they are in the dark ages! Sites are the same. left side bar sites are a thing of the past. today you need to develop right sidebar. 5 years ago not a single developer would DARE build a parallax site.. they still are not the norm, but they are getting there.

        If you are aiming for a younger demographic you had better get your tech on ( at least to a minimum ) to reach that audience. If your responsive site does not allow mobile users to press a phone number to dial.. the younger crowd is off to the next site ( for those of you that use images to place phone numbers on pages )

        And the "thousands do fine"... thousands out of millions? so what the .001% of site owners? is that really the percentage you want to be in?



        I don't even have to tell you what I think of that site. For a point of contrast lets look at a site developed by the WSO folks above: Danville Dog which would you rather be the owner of?

        I CAN tell you the dentist site I would use Mystile to develop, and about exact clone. In fact just about that exact layout is one of the 20 that I use.
        I guess the problem I have is that "ugly" sites that designers hate often convert very well. For instance in life insurance https://www.lifeinsurancecanada.com/ converts well. While a lot of fancy sites that designers like do not. A lot of the IM type marketers have ugly sites but people get the info they are looking for really easy.

        That dog website is nice to look at but is it really nice to read if I want to buy something? it just seems like there is a disconnect between what the designers like and what the buyers like. It is the same thing in the art world.

        Maybe it is just a difference between website categories; websites that are trying to get you to buy one thing and buy it now VS websites that are just there for credibility or are trying to get people to come into a store, etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Originally Posted by eccj View Post

          I guess the problem I have is that "ugly" sites that designers hate often convert very well. For instance in life insurance https://www.lifeinsurancecanada.com/ converts well. While a lot of fancy sites that designers like do not. A lot of the IM type marketers have ugly sites but people get the info they are looking for really easy.

          That dog website is nice to look at but is it really nice to read if I want to buy something? it just seems like there is a disconnect between what the designers like and what the buyers like. It is the same thing in the art world.

          Maybe it is just a difference between website categories; websites that are trying to get you to buy one thing and buy it now VS websites that are just there for credibility or are trying to get people to come into a store, etc.
          Here is the thing for me... I can imagine that site works well... but there honestly is no reason for it to be so ugly ( no offense ) and looking at it I could make some suggestions that I would bet increase the sites conversion and bring it more into the pretty site category without loosing the ease of use. ( Basically we are talking layout and color issues. )

          I am a HUGE UX ( user experience ) fanatic. any piece of information on a site should be no more than 3 clicks away. There is a lot of work behind that philosophy. access to information is critical in answering pre sales questions and building consumer confidence. That is the day and age we live in. Content in the right context is king.
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  • Profile picture of the author Freebiequeen1999
    Nobody addresses the fact I have presented - that a site also has to relate to the area it is in.

    Honestly many "stock" photos just do NOT work where I live in south florid...they look weird

    No brick houses, no split levels (No basements LOL)...no real seasons....even the dog site, which is nice, those pics look wrong....no Palm Trees haha

    Yes you can find stock pics of beaches and palm trees but a stock picture for a "roofer" for instance will look odd if he is on a ladder by a pine tree and fixing the roof of a split level

    Pictures of gray city scapes - so popular now - pictures of young people in sweaters and wearing hipster scarves round their necks ?? no....wrong.....gray landscapes...no no..... the dark somber suits and high neck white shirts? - maybe funeral director wears that

    This reminds me of a dog site I saw here - I still recall my laughter....pictures of woman wearing a long coat and boots walking cute dog....with trees with bare branches....yup....nice....I think she got that site from some "outsourcer" LOL

    I also have seen "overkill" sites....a local chinese takeout / delivery , little place...got a new site that is more suited to a high end asian fusion restaurant....they don't serve sushi but there is a picture.....
    a picture of a couple happily eating asian food with white tablecloth, nice china etc...
    this joint has a couple little tables and a takeout counter and the ever present kitty with paw up statue LOL

    I recall another one that made me go "huh"?? An old Greek Diner....with a brand new "Mediterranen
    website.....no wonder the guy who does not live here was listing dingy, small eateries on his "florida directory" LOL>> fancy website might make people go there but wow...they won't stay

    IMHO both of these places need a more realistic call to action website, menu, hours, phone number....big phone number....delivery/pick up info....etc...not mislead with stock photos and a classy theme haha
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      I personally believe site design should be done locally. And all of the reasons you have indicated would be the reason why.

      pictures specifically... most web designers ask for images. My business we went out and took the shots. Its a part of the whole package. If each image is worth 1000 words I want to make damn sure its the right 1000 words! LOL

      As a web developer as I see it, you have to be in it to win it ( for your client ) or you will short term fail. and images is just the start of the slide downward.


      Originally Posted by Freebiequeen1999 View Post

      Nobody addresses the fact I have presented - that a site also has to relate to the area it is in.

      Honestly many "stock" photos just do NOT work where I live in south florid...they look weird

      No brick houses, no split levels (No basements LOL)...no real seasons....even the dog site, which is nice, those pics look wrong....no Palm Trees haha

      Yes you can find stock pics of beaches and palm trees but a stock picture for a "roofer" for instance will look odd if he is on a ladder by a pine tree and fixing the roof of a split level

      Pictures of gray city scapes - so popular now - pictures of young people in sweaters and wearing hipster scarves round their necks ?? no....wrong.....gray landscapes...no no..... the dark somber suits and high neck white shirts? - maybe funeral director wears that

      This reminds me of a dog site I saw here - I still recall my laughter....pictures of woman wearing a long coat and boots walking cute dog....with trees with bare branches....yup....nice....I think she got that site from some "outsourcer" LOL

      I also have seen "overkill" sites....a local chinese takeout / delivery , little place...got a new site that is more suited to a high end asian fusion restaurant....they don't serve sushi but there is a picture.....
      a picture of a couple happily eating asian food with white tablecloth, nice china etc...
      this joint has a couple little tables and a takeout counter and the ever present kitty with paw up statue LOL

      I recall another one that made me go "huh"?? An old Greek Diner....with a brand new "Mediterranen
      website.....no wonder the guy who does not live here was listing dingy, small eateries on his "florida directory" LOL>> fancy website might make people go there but wow...they won't stay

      IMHO both of these places need a more realistic call to action website, menu, hours, phone number....big phone number....delivery/pick up info....etc...not mislead with stock photos and a classy theme haha
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  • Profile picture of the author alecstheone
    Originally Posted by Rob Schneider View Post


    Keep your head up, continue at it, and, once you’ve figured out the ropes, its easy to net $4,000 in a week with this method.
    Hey @OP I just want to ask you if you tried this method at all?
    Does anybody else tried this even with 1 call?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
    this is good stuff
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  • Profile picture of the author MarcParkinson
    Why people are saying it's not easy? He is literally letting you know how you can outsource the part that you may find so "Boring", I for one totally liked this post. Thanks my man
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  • Profile picture of the author fantrom
    Does this method work? Yes

    Is it easy? Hell no. If it was everyone would be doing it.

    Even if you outsource some of the work (cold calling, design, development, etc) you are ultimately responsible for the project when things don't go as planned.

    I don't use cold calling to land clients though as I have my own techniques were clients come to me.

    Finally as many have stated in various ways, "Forms Follows Function." How the site looks aesthetically is not the end goal but one of the expectations of a professional looking site. The UI/UX (user interface + user experience) is by far more important.

    The website must help the small business owner to either make or save money but preferably both. It must convert visitors into buying customers (or clients) to justify the money invested on the site development.
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  • Profile picture of the author skaeo
    Love this post BOSS! It's too bad all most people could do is poke holes around it rather than just accept that it's not a push button world.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by skaeo View Post

      Love this post BOSS! It's too bad all most people could do is poke holes around it rather than just accept that it's not a push button world.
      Yeah - we're a bit funny here as we allow people to express their personal opinions - exactly as you just did.

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author colorado1850
        This is not a bad method at all.

        The most important piece in those instructions (IMHO) is to search for businesses using some third party (Weebly in this case) for their site.

        There is one key thing that I'm surprised didn't come up yet in this thread:

        Switch out the search for Weebly sites with a search for firms that charge big $$$ to businesses for pre-canned websites. Or switch it out for another local web design firm that you know does a lot of sites.

        Lawyers routinely pay upwards of $2,000 a month for a site and a listing in one of the big attorney databases. Just do a quick search for criminal defense attorneys in your city - and look at who occupies the first 3 - 5 positions. No local firms. It's all these national companies. Every one of these companies offers pre-canned websites for law firms. They are relentless about selling SEO and other services. I know this because my wife is an attorney with her own firm.

        I haven't met an attorney yet who was satisfied with what they get for what they pay to those places.

        That's just one example.

        So my advice would be to ditch the Weebly search and replace it with something where you know the business is paying $$$.
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  • Profile picture of the author animal44
    Here's a better and easier way to make money - so easy a 75 year old gandfather made £5,517,016 overnight...!

    Who says it's not a push button world...!
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Does it work if you're not a footballer? Can you be a tennis player?
      How many tickets do you have to buy?
      Do you have to buy them in some special location?
      Can you use the number 3?
      What are the tax liabilities?
      Can you pay with coins or do you have to use paper money?
      I bought lotto tickets and it didn't work for me. I want my money back.

      And, now, I made it feel at home on the WarriorForum.

      Now, you got a WarriorForum push-button method. We get a couple of people to come
      Originally Posted by animal44 View Post

      Here's a better and easier way to make money - so easy a 75 year old gandfather made £5,517,016 overnight...!

      Who says it's not a push button world...!
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      • Profile picture of the author animal44
        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        Does it work if you're not a footballer? Can you be a tennis player?
        How many tickets do you have to buy?
        Do you have to buy them in some special location?
        Can you use the number 3?
        What are the tax liabilities?
        Can you pay with coins or do you have to use paper money?
        I bought lotto tickets and it didn't work for me. I want my money back.

        And, now, I made it feel at home on the WarriorForum.

        Now, you got a WarriorForum push-button method. We get a couple of people to come
        You'll have to buy the WSO to find your answers...

        Originally Posted by sconlinemarketing View Post

        I am building a list now and will be making calls. I will post my results when I have some.
        Guess it's taking a while...

        Anyone else made a sale yet...?
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground
    There can never be too many ''Easy money selling websites - start banking $500 checks today (NO EXPERIENCE OR SKILLS NEEDED!!!!)'' threads.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
      Originally Posted by Underground View Post

      There can never be too many ''Easy money selling websites - start banking $500 checks today (NO EXPERIENCE OR SKILLS NEEDED!!!!)'' threads.
      You forgot "No Cold Calling, No Cold Emails, No Effort, and No Money Required"
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