Do people think logically?

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The popular answer would be an obvious "no". A popular saying is:

"Women make decisions based on emotion and justify with reason afterward"

which morphed in sales to:
"People buy with emotions and justify with reason"

But I think that people use their emotions to find axioms to guide their lives and then past
a certain point, they do think "logically".

E.g.:

Statement A: A psychic is able to predict love life by using a crystal ball.

Now that's a pretty nonsensical statement not grounded in reality, but suppose person take it as a self-evident truth.

They will then plan their life according in a fairly "logical" fashion.... if you accept the premise that psychics can predict the future. Past that point, the details in the person's minds can be changed and is amenable to reason.

What do you guys think?
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

    The popular answer would be an obvious "no". A popular saying is:

    "Women make decisions based on emotion and justify with reason afterward"

    which morphed in sales to:
    "People buy with emotions and justify with reason"

    But I think that people use their emotions to find axioms to guide their lives and then past
    a certain point, they do think "logically".

    E.g.:

    Statement A: A psychic is able to predict love life by using a crystal ball.

    Now that's a pretty nonsensical statement not grounded in reality, but suppose person take it as a self-evident truth.

    They will then plan their life according in a fairly "logical" fashion.... if you accept the premise that psychics can predict the future. Past that point, the details in the person's minds can be changed and is amenable to reason.

    What do you guys think?
    There is a difference between thinking logically, and thinking rationally.

    Thinking logically means that the math works, even if the numbers are wrong. In other words, an argument can be logical, even if the premise is ridiculous.

    But are women more irrational than men? No idea. But I know that everyone is irrational almost all the time. And the times we think rationally? These are fleeting moments, adding figures in your checkbook, or measuring something.

    Thinking logically is part of intelligence, but intelligence is different from thinking rationally.

    The vast majority of our thinking process is done in the emotional centers (the temporal lobes and amygdala) and the instinctual center ( the brain stem, or reptile brain).

    The only reason we think we are rational, is because the part of the brain that gives us our "running monologue" (the conscious part) is using some of the same areas that act according to emotions or drives.

    You'd be amazed if you knew that much of the way we think, is mostly us just trying to find a way to satisfy an instinctual drive.

    Our rational part of the brain isn't "us". The rational fore brain is a tool to help us survive.

    And people with brain damage to that section of the brain, can get along pretty well. In the few documented cases where the person's emotions are completely absent..they are pretty paralyzed.

    You said a common saying is;
    "Women make decisions based on emotion and justify with reason afterward"

    which morphed in sales to:
    "People buy with emotions and justify with reason"


    We justify with reason later, only in that we have to communicate to others why we did something. And then we make an attempt to translate our emotional and instinctual drives, into having some rational justification.

    And if we aren't verbalizing why we did something, this "justify with logic" phase can be completely absent. We may feel a need to justify to others, but there is no need to justify to ourselves.

    But bein "reasonable" is part of our self image...and so we make up something that sounds rational to us, without really using rational thought. And that's why we don't realize (as we are rationalizing) that our reasons aren't really rational. We are trying to translate an irrational thought into rational terms. Watch any political show, and it may be everything you see.

    In other words, there is an attempt to sound rational, but no attempt to actually think rationally. So we may end up with a reason that sounds (at least to us) logical, but is not rational....because the reason we acted the way we did, or said what we said, is driven by emotions and instinctual drives.


    And think about this; Every thought that we think is rational, was brought about by an irrational cause....and if we dig deep enough...into even the most rational of arguments, we find an instinctual drive, as a first cause.

    Weird.
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  • Profile picture of the author eccj
    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

    The popular answer would be an obvious "no". A popular saying is:

    "Women make decisions based on emotion and justify with reason afterward"

    which morphed in sales to:
    "People buy with emotions and justify with reason"

    But I think that people use their emotions to find axioms to guide their lives and then past
    a certain point, they do think "logically".

    E.g.:

    Statement A: A psychic is able to predict love life by using a crystal ball.

    Now that's a pretty nonsensical statement not grounded in reality, but suppose person take it as a self-evident truth.

    They will then plan their life according in a fairly "logical" fashion.... if you accept the premise that psychics can predict the future. Past that point, the details in the person's minds can be changed and is amenable to reason.

    What do you guys think?
    That's an important thing for us to realize and it is one reason (if I can say that here) people that disagree can get along.

    Eventually, we've all got to roll with something or else we'll eventually stop getting out of bed.
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    This is why you sell benefits and not features. When I see a list of features with no link to corresponding benefit that feature delivers, what vs. why. I cringe. Who gives a crap if it has a hemi, people want to be pinned into the back of their seat and feel a rush of power!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I watch how my wife spends money. In my mind a lot of what she buys doesn't make sense. She likes buying trinkets or things that don't really serve a purpose other than she likes the way it looks. She's a classic impulse buyer.

    When I go to a store or even buy online, I plan and/or research first. If I go to the store for a gallon of milk, that's all I'm coming home with, a gallon of milk.

    It's interesting to watch people and how they spend money.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      It's interesting to watch people and how they spend money.
      I have one thing that I have never understood about my relationship with money. I was broke for a large portion of my life, living from week to week never knowing if I'd be able to meet this week's obligations. Whenever I was in that mode, I spent money as if I were a financially secure person, with emergency reserves.

      Once I created a modicum of financial security and possessed excess funds that accumulated from month to month, I became so tight with a dollar that I squeaked when I reached for my wallet. I'm still that way. Now that I can buy anything I want, I don't want to buy anything. lol

      I debated with myself for 9 months to buy a new home theatre system. It was never about the money and it would be impossible for me to explain to you what it actually was about. I'm old and I know you can't take it with you, but I find it harder with each passing year to blow money. Of course I'm fortunate to have everything I want or need, but still - I'm opposed to the concept of 'collecting' money.

      Knowing that I'm going to die with a shitload of money in the bank does NOT make me happy. There's always cocaine and hookers, but - been there and done that.

      The only solace I can take from this situation is knowing that the ASPCA that I rescued both of my beloved Pitties from, will be able to name a wing after me. :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author SARubin
    I always think logically!

    At least I think I do...

    But I might just be having an emotional reaction to the question...

    (I think I need to go take a nap)
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  • Profile picture of the author DWaters
    I must say there are a lot of excellent and thought provoking posts on this thread.

    I generally think that people do not think or act logically. I attribute a lot of frustration to this sometimes. I think of myself as a "logically person in an illogical world". I regularly observe what someone else does and I cannot figure out any logical reason they would have done that. Of course I should not let the actions of others bother me.... that is not logical!
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