Off line/ online low cost business models which work.

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It is safe to say, most Warriors really don't want anything OFFLINE, even though it can be extremely lucrative. The reluctance is about having to deal with people. It makes me a bit sad, really.

Most of my life dealing with people has been the FUN part, even when it was make a sale or starve times, and most of us have had a few of those times too, eh?

I get it, times are different, talking to people is hard for many, we may have had Incels back in the day, but thankfully, they were silent sitting in the basement getting high.

I want to post about an idea, a concept, which has been my NORTHSTAR guiding principle for decades, and you will see that reflected in my responses to newbies in the BEGINNER'S sub forum...and that is, what do you bring to the table? What do you have to GIVE to the world, what is your offer?

We see decades of how can I get, how can I make money, how can I...me, me, me...and my response has always been, what do you bring with you that you can convert into a product or service that people want and will pay for?

Back about the time this forum started, one old member, Don Alm, had a program about selling MENU boards to restaurants, and I got into that heavily, even finding a woodworker to make my version of the DAILY MENU BOARD, and it was lucrative, albeit a lot of calling on businesses and TALKING to them.

So, would it surprise you to know a variation of that program, although almost identical to what was presented 25 years ago, is still going strong and producing recurring profits for some still in that game?

I'm not surprised. Any good idea you have that can HELP a business to get and to retain customers is going to find a welcome audience. It is a GIVE first, then get sort of concept.

How can you help that Pizza shop get more business? How can you help that restaurant sell more profitable meals? How can you HELP the business first, and by doing so, you have a happy and appreciative customer.

It is a simple concept, and I don't see much of it today at the Warrior forum.

Just yesterday, I talked to an older Warrior (and like many, he hasn't been here in years) about his latest program...and I felt like a time traveler.

Today, August 29, 2024 he is giving FREE flyers to Pizza shops and Take out restaurants to help them get and keep customers. Good golly Molly, that is so 1995, in this sub forum alone, you will find tons of pizza box top ideas, and the Warrior Forum had many many people jump on that band wagon...but I doubt if many are still doing it.

Evolution is what takes place, and today, maybe QR codes or customer rewards, or mms, or something high tech on the flyer, or maybe just a simple coupon. But it is a dirt simple idea, help the shops get and keep customers.

Someone in USA can go out in his/her community and be a STAR by giving away free flyers and the PIZZA shop (restaurant) pays nothing and gets customers, meanwhile, the ads on the flyer put thousands of dollars into the pocket of the GIVER.

Give first, get second.

Hopefully, that is still food for thought today, and is as good advice as it was back in the 20th century.

What do you have to give? What value have your brought to the Warrior forum?

GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Just curious...

    I did a little research into this...

    but, what instead of flyers you just had the whole pizza box printed for the business?

    I looked up some prices and they're from .10 for small boxes to .50 for the big boxes.

    What if you just had the ads printed on the box for the pizza place?

    Just wondering what you think?

    Maybe I'm off on this...but maybe you have some thoughts?
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    • Profile picture of the author Monetize
      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      Just curious...

      I did a little research into this...

      but, what instead of flyers you just had the whole pizza box printed for the business?

      I looked up some prices and they're from .10 for small boxes to .50 for the big boxes.

      What if you just had the ads printed on the box for the pizza place?

      Just wondering what you think?

      Maybe I'm off on this...but maybe you have some thoughts?

      Printing ads on pizza boxes is a Don Alm method.

      You must not be familiar with his business reports.

      He has about 75 different ways to make money, maybe more.

      You can find his methods in the various archives.
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      • Profile picture of the author max5ty
        Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

        Printing ads on pizza boxes is a Don Alm method.

        You must not be familiar with his business reports.

        He has about 75 different ways to make money, maybe more.

        You can find his methods in the various archives.
        Ok, gotcha...

        I thought this was about printing flyers.

        Sorry. I don't know who he is or what his idea is.

        Maybe I didn't have a good idea after all.
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        • Profile picture of the author Monetize
          Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

          Ok, gotcha...

          I thought this was about printing flyers.

          Sorry. I don't know who he is or what his idea is.

          Maybe I didn't have a good idea after all.

          The idea is fine.

          Gordon's thread is about flyers, but he also mentioned

          Don Alm

          I am surprised that you don't know of him since he used
          to post on WF and another forum.

          The man is a marketing GENIUS.

          I don't know if his methods are original but he compiled
          a number of them into a single product.

          And many of his forum posts are GOLDEN.

          You really could make money if you apply his methods
          and there are enough of them to find something that
          you could do, and actually enjoy doing.

          He gave details as well, not just general tips like most
          people provide.

          You can find his old website content and forum posts
          in the archives, it would be worth spending a couple
          of days researching him.
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          • Profile picture of the author max5ty
            Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

            The idea is fine.

            Gordon's thread is about flyers, but he also mentioned

            Don Alm

            I am surprised that you don't know of him since he used
            to post on WF and another forum.

            The man is a marketing GENIUS.

            I don't know if his methods are original but he compiled
            a number of them into a single product.

            And many of his forum posts are GOLDEN.

            You really could make money if you apply his methods
            and there are enough of them to find something that
            you could do, and actually enjoy doing.

            He gave details as well, not just general tips like most
            people provide.

            You can find his old website content and forum posts
            in the archives, it would be worth spending a couple
            of days researching him.
            Thanks.

            What I was suggesting is instead of doing the flyers...

            just print the whole box with the ads on it.

            You can get flyers etc. printed...you can also get pizza boxes printed and manufactured.

            Seems like an easier idea....maybe a little more work.
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              This flyer has 12 months of coupons/discounts, and the way it is designed, it stays on the fridge or drawer month after month. It is a co-op advertising vehicle, so what plumber/electrician/home repair business can stay in the house all year for less than 300 bux? For 25 bux a month, they can be 'brand' awareness when that toilet backs up (from eating all that pizza?) and their advertising options are way more expensive than that.

              Thanks for your thoughts.

              GordonJ



              Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

              Thanks.

              What I was suggesting is instead of doing the flyers...

              just print the whole box with the ads on it.

              You can get flyers etc. printed...you can also get pizza boxes printed and manufactured.

              Seems like an easier idea....maybe a little more work.
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Don's specialty was the belly to belly, door-to-door, Willie Loman type salesmanship.

            Today, it is hard to find anyone who wants to call on businesses or homes and try to sell them something...those that can and do, still make a lot more money than the guy who would rather just go to work and get a sure thing paycheck.

            The things that Don and others of his ilk did, allowed for higher incomes than what most worker bees get...in direct selling, only governor is your effort.

            Imagine this: a business with NO costs, only demo is a giant postcard flyer, given away to the pizza shops and carry out for FREE. Now you have 2 to six spots to sell, 299 is a great price point, some areas could get 399 or more. At 299 x 6 = 1794 dollars minus the 400 print costs, puts well over 1200 profit for every one done...IF they can sell the spots.

            Look at low cost franchises as a comparison; hard to find any under $5,000.00 and then see what it takes to make 1200 profit, a cruise or travel agent working from home would have to book several trips and deal with a lot of slop and mess too.

            So far, every pizza shop using these flyers reports more customers than most any other thing, BECAUSE, they are his customers who have a reason to REPEAT, it serves, in effect, as a rewards program.

            I've tried many a Don Alm program, back when I didn't mind people and liked to manipulate them into buying from me...today, the old stereotype of "old man, yelling at kids to get off his lawn" suits me better, the thought of selling today, makes me ill.

            Thanks for remembering the good things about Don, he did have his detractors too.

            GordonJ



            Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

            The idea is fine.

            Gordon's thread is about flyers, but he also mentioned

            Don Alm

            I am surprised that you don't know of him since he used
            to post on WF and another forum.

            The man is a marketing GENIUS.

            I don't know if his methods are original but he compiled
            a number of them into a single product.

            And many of his forum posts are GOLDEN.

            You really could make money if you apply his methods
            and there are enough of them to find something that
            you could do, and actually enjoy doing.

            He gave details as well, not just general tips like most
            people provide.

            You can find his old website content and forum posts
            in the archives, it would be worth spending a couple
            of days researching him.
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            • Profile picture of the author Monetize
              Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

              I've tried many a Don Alm program, back when I didn't mind people and liked to manipulate them into buying from me...today, the old stereotype of "old man, yelling at kids to get off his lawn" suits me better, the thought of selling today, makes me ill.


              Manipulate.

              You are so hilarious.

              I can't believe the thought of selling makes you ill, you
              are probably sick of dealing with people, they can be
              so annoying.

              The good news is that you can set up some websites
              or social media accounts, sell things online or promote
              affiliate products and never have to deal with them.
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        • Profile picture of the author DABK
          You had a good idea. Don Alm posted on this forum about it... worth reading his threads. This one is about the pizza boxes; https://www.warriorforum.com/offline...000-1-day.html


          Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

          Ok, gotcha...

          I thought this was about printing flyers.

          Sorry. I don't know who he is or what his idea is.

          Maybe I didn't have a good idea after all.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Is this the same person that was talking about menu mats that are on tables?

    But, yes, person to person selling is where the money is these days.

    There's a whole world of cash right outside our doors if we just grab it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Monetize
      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      Is this the same person that was talking about menu mats that are on tables?

      Yes.

      Menu mats, refrigerator magnets, hotel guides, etc.

      I would provide a link but rules.
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      • Profile picture of the author max5ty
        Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

        Yes.

        Menu mats, refrigerator magnets, hotel guides, etc.

        I would provide a link but rules.
        Thanks Monetize.

        I looked him up.

        Now, I remember reading his stuff before. He's got a lot of good ideas that I think anyone could use to make some dough.
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  • Don Alm. Now that's a name I haven't heard around here in a looooong time. But, when he was here, boy I loved reading his stuff. It was fascinating. When I get a minute, I'm going to see what I can find in the way back when threads. Thanks for reminding us.

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Thanks Mark, Don was entertaining too...one of his best tips, that this Pizza Flyer uses is: ASK the host for referrals.

      When a pizza shop (or take-out) is shown the flyer, they get two choices, FREE, or a paid one without the ads, just a print job. Only a couple hundred in profits from that, where as a co-op ad flyer will yield between 1200 to 1800 in PROFIT.

      What Don used to do was get the names of the shop's plumber, electrician, insurance agent, barber, etc., etc. So when he called upon them for ads, he was getting a referral.

      Some shop owners are reluctant to share, so one way around that is a business card bowl and an offer to be on 5,000 flyers and this is the AUTO SALESMAN technique that Don used with many of his advertising programs. Getting hosts is easy, getting the advertisers is the work, but there are ways to make this much easier...and using Don's little ol him (tip of hat) technique of getting the host to refer to potential advertisers is a great way to make this money making venture simple.

      The thing that this particular flyer uses is they put BUSINESS CARDS on the flyer, so the advertiser doesn't need to have any offers, discounts or coupons. Since it could stay in the home for a year, it is more of a BRAND device, and that also eliminates some slop and mess as to the design. Just give me a business card, and that is what goes on the flyer.

      Simple, well thought out, and bit of little OL ME (Don Alm) type salesmanship and some have a wonderful little off line money maker.

      GordonJ

      P.S. Today, GOOGLE MAPS is very handy, some take a print out of the pizza shop and surrounding businesses, and ask the owner who gets pizzas from him? These neighboring businesses are perfect for being on the flyer.


      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      Don Alm. Now that's a name I haven't heard around here in a looooong time. But, when he was here, boy I loved reading his stuff. It was fascinating. When I get a minute, I'm going to see what I can find in the way back when threads. Thanks for reminding us.

      Mark
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  • Line is A to B.

    Like you gotta MAP fulla EVRYPLACE ... butchya don't know whereya are or whereya gowin'.

    Stoopid thing is, evin if'n you SIRTAIN ... sumtimes the As an' the Bs (an' the Cs) shift from outta the magnitood of the Caahsmaaahs till'n you mighta jus' dissypissied all formsa deliberatin' consciousness for whatevah SNAILS gaht gowin' when they slithah 'bout all ovah.

    Plenny places on the planit rn where the EASY LINE OF ONLINE gowin' down same as the DIFFICULT WHATEVAH could mebbe nevah startup.

    What lines may extend 'cross what chasms now?

    Now more people than evah before may seemingly go ANYPLACE?

    My seecrit thoughts as a Princess ...
    There is a bed, see, reserved for Queeins.
    Which I ain't evin seen nor less evin slept in.
    I should wish, same as nowan, to see more clearly where ima gowin'.
    A to B.

    Thing is, less'n you know where A is at, line to B is kinda randaahm.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      So, I think (hope) that I agree that most people, talking Warriors here, don't know where they are at NOW...yet want to get to that point across yonder river to greener pastures where one picks hundred dollar bills off the ground, cause the money tree has been shaken.

      I advocate for Personal ASSESSMENT first and foremost for online/offline or any business or money making venture. But the lure of the easy money, and a few choice keystrokes, makes knowing where one is at, a bit needless?

      If you can't get to a place, anyplace, if you don't know where you are at (am I close Princess?)...then all the maps in the world won't do you any good.

      I always start with what the person has already, and often that is HIDDEN talents, abilities, skills or experience. THEN, where they think they want to go.

      So knowing the A to B, or more likely A to Z because there are many steps involved...

      one can then backward chain, or work from the goal backwards to the now, and have a clear vision of how to proceed, knowing there will be roadblocks, detours along this route.

      Walking into a pizza shop and offering a FREE way to get them more business (tested, proven and with actual results)...then offering a few businesses a way to have their business card in a home for a year...isn't for the incel, clammy hands gamer, vaper, bong hitting Gen Zer...cause it means getting out of the chair.

      But for those who are hungry for a relatively easy way to pocket cold hard cash in the shortest amount of time, doing something like the Pizza card co-op, might just be perfect.

      But, unlikely game boy knows where he is at, and even though he thinks in between tokes that he'd like some money, he is unaware that he needs to do something to make that happen.

      Start, where you are at, with what you have, set a goal, do a plan, execute and adjust.

      Or I could be wrong?

      GordonJ


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      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      Line is A to B.

      Like you gotta MAP fulla EVRYPLACE ... butchya don't know whereya are or whereya gowin'.

      Stoopid thing is, evin if'n you SIRTAIN ... sumtimes the As an' the Bs (an' the Cs) shift from outta the magnitood of the Caahsmaaahs till'n you mighta jus' dissypissied all formsa deliberatin' consciousness for whatevah SNAILS gaht gowin' when they slithah 'bout all ovah.

      Plenny places on the planit rn where the EASY LINE OF ONLINE gowin' down same as the DIFFICULT WHATEVAH could mebbe nevah startup.

      What lines may extend 'cross what chasms now?

      Now more people than evah before may seemingly go ANYPLACE?

      My seecrit thoughts as a Princess ...
      There is a bed, see, reserved for Queeins.
      Which I ain't evin seen nor less evin slept in.
      I should wish, same as nowan, to see more clearly where ima gowin'.
      A to B.

      Thing is, less'n you know where A is at, line to B is kinda randaahm.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    In all reality here...

    we're not really in the age of pizza ads.

    Right now, the thing is being an influencer.

    Thousands of followers equal thousands of dollars.

    Yes, I'm old school like you...but, the old-school ideas just don't resonate anymore.

    I think we're in a new era.

    Maybe it's not a bad era. But it's a new era.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

      In all reality here...
      we're not really in the age of pizza ads.
      Right now, the thing is being an influencer.
      Thousands of followers equal thousands of dollars.
      Yes, I'm old school like you...but, the old-school ideas just don't resonate anymore.
      I think we're in a new era.
      Maybe it's not a bad era. But it's a new era.
      Yes, agree 100%. New era.

      I can't name a single Warrior from the last 24 years who became an influencer, in the modern definition of that...sure, some were influencers over IMers early on, maybe.

      Is there some data which reveals how long it takes a newbie to become an influencer, and how is that done? As a business or money making opportunity, I understand the power of being one, but in all reality, how hard or easy is it to become one where they are paid thousands of dollars? Even top stars like the Pauls, Mr. Beast, and most other unknowns took years to become an influencer.

      Not many Warriors have a Leo Messi talent to draw from.

      So, sure, becoming an influencer certainly seems to be a thing the younger generation aspires too, and it may be worth their while to pursue that.

      In the meantime, ANYONE, with absolutely no influence what so ever, can get a quick thousand dollars from helping small businesses.

      For every Fortune 1000 willing to raise our consumer prices to pay for the influencers, there are millions of momma and poppa shops, like Pizza and Carry Out Restaurants...over 750,000 of just those...who still need LOCAL business. I guess if Jake Paul endorsed a local pizza shop, they might get a bump. But could any afford to hire him?

      From a money making angle, any CELEBRITY status, earned or otherwise (thinking of the Paris Hilton types, the nepo kids born with the silver spoon) have an advantage. Heck, we have an ex Browns football playing selling cars right down the street...if it had been someone else, he may not have gotten off on the fast start his influencer position had.

      I'm not trying to argue the point, I acknowledge the new era. The new times.

      The Taylor Swift era, not the Juice Newton times of my youth.
      From a WARRIOR perspective, and the millions who have come here the last two and half decades desperately seeking some money making advice...

      and today's Warrior, who would love to QUICKLY and easily become an influencer of any kind...

      there are for the foreseeable future, small momma and poppa businesses who need help getting and keeping customers and I think anyone who has any way of helping them to do that, will have a steady income stream AS they build up their reputation and become a beast of an influencer.

      I also believe this NEW ERA is going to result in massive amounts of hand to mouth, paycheck to paycheck lifestyles due to what they will or will not do. The divide, the chasm as Princess B refers to, is getting wider daily...and for every Jake Paul, there will be ten jake nobodies eeking out a living while being ballers on Fortnite.

      In the meantime, anyone, and especially new OLD people (newly eligible for SS), can find some sweet part-time gigs, and one of those could be helping Papa Felice and Mama Angie get and keep more customers.

      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    It might be a new era but people will always eat pizza and pizza will always come in a box.

    And there will always be pizza restaurants because pizza is the most profitable food item.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

      It might be a new era but people will always eat pizza and pizza will always come in a box.

      And there will always be pizza restaurants because pizza is the most profitable food item.
      This NEW program has produced results, one shop has reported over 50 monthly coupons were used, another has had 35, so far. The first guy was spending 400 dollars a month on ads on register tapes, and got ZERO response.

      This program cost him NOTHING, and he has had 50 more coupons used, and another objected to the price, so it was increased by 5 dollars (discount) which covered him, and he had many more coupons used.

      Now, one thing, and this is old world SALESMANSHIP, (Claude, come out, come out wherever you are)...about a shop that wanted to control who the advertisers were on her card.

      I used to ask, (way back when there such things as daily newspapers which people actually read)..."Do you ask the Akron Beacon Journal who is going to be on the same page as you when you run an ad in it?" OR, "Great, who do YOU want to be on it and I will contact them first, to give them first right of refusal?"

      Or some other face-to-face sales method, but today, too many stars in the sky, just say thanks and move on.

      It is exciting for us old shoe leather sales guys to see a program in 2024 WORK, and it is great to see the OLD school, still have some success in the world today...or as a famous song goes, "Making your way in the world today, takes every thing you got, taking a break from all your worries..." (and getting cash in hand takes care of one worry). CHEERS!!


      GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author animal44
    There was an article recently in the NZ press about Kiwi influencers (How I dislike that label!). It used tax data to figure out that the average influencer earned less than minimum wage.

    Dunno if one can view this outside of NZ, but here's a link to the article:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/money/350395...rs-really-earn

    Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

    I really think this forum is almost useless anymore.

    It's like there are 3 or 4 people all just talking to each other.
    I kinda figured that out some time ago... :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author max5ty
      Originally Posted by animal44 View Post


      I kinda figured that out some time ago... :-)
      Lol. I actually deleted that comment. You must have been posting while I was deleting it.

      Sometimes I start a conversation and then just decide I'm not in the mood, or have the time or energy to continue it.

      Added: Also in this case I thought I was getting too much off-topic and taking away from Gordon's post.
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

        Lol. I actually deleted that comment. You must have been posting while I was deleting it.
        Sometimes I start a conversation and then just decide I'm not in the mood, or have the time or energy to continue it.
        Added: Also in this case I thought I was getting too much off-topic and taking away from Gordon's post.
        Hey max5ty, any convo is better than the one I have with myself, ha! My Aug. post count was 7, and visiting here not so much on a daily basis.

        There are some good things, even if it is among the 4 or so...you always have interesting things, Monetize shares experience, others give their time, like the mods...

        My take is like feeding the birds. I toss out some feed around the bird bath, fill up the feeders, toss out some peanuts for the squirrels...and once in awhile look out my window to watch them...

        We can toss out our advice, knowledge and from the trenches experiences here, but we shouldn't expect the flock to do more than just pick it over and fly away.

        The forum has value in its archives, and NOW, when someone actually asks a question and comes back for the answer, although lately, the many sensitives visiting today, really only want confirmation of their right decisions....GAWD forbid you tell them truths.

        Anyhow, we have done what we could, the owners seem content to leave it alone and let it be...the past attempts to help it revive itself into being relevant and useful, have fallen on deaf ears. So, I for one, will tend to the birds and squirrels, and keep my involvement to a minimum.

        GordonJ
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        • Profile picture of the author Monetize
          Originally Posted by max5ty View Post

          I really think this forum is almost useless anymore.

          It's like there are 3 or 4 people all just talking to each other.

          Although the forum seems dead, people come here, they read, they learn, and they are helped.

          Even if they are just lurkers or one-time posters that never return.

          But we have no way to know for sure unless they tell us.



          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          My take is like feeding the birds. I toss out some feed around the bird bath, fill up the feeders, toss out some peanuts for the squirrels...and once in awhile look out my window to watch them...

          There is only so much you can do so don't frustrate.

          Your contributions are appreciated and you are loved.

          You too Max, don't get jelly.
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          • [QUOTE=Monetize;11803245]Although the forum seems dead, people come here, they read, they learn, and they are helped.

            Even if they are just lurkers or one-time posters that never return.

            But we have no way to know for sure unless they tell us./QUOTE]

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        • Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          .

          My take is like feeding the birds. I toss out some feed around the bird bath, fill up the feeders, toss out some peanuts for the squirrels...and once in awhile look out my window to watch them...

          The problem with experts handing out free advice on a free forum......

          It isn't recognized. It looks like any other opinion to the uninitiated.

          My first month learning Kung Fu...

          Everyone in the class looked equally adept at Kung Fu. The guys that just started looked like the guys who had ten years of hard training. The eyes of the uninitiated.

          Eventually you could see the differences the efficiency, the power, the alignments.

          Even now, after not seriously training for a few decades...I can tell how long a person has been training watching them throw a single punch or kick. The eyes of the initiated.

          For an expert's unsolicited advice to be seen as separate from the newbie posts, takes something of a trained eye. And there aren't that many of us here.

          On the other hand, there are several, and that's more than just about anywhere else.
          And I like to hand out something (Unless I'm going for a laugh) that can be absorbed by a few people. I always assume that years from now, someone will read these posts (And others like it) and a bell will ring in their head.

          I know you know what I mean when I say that a revelation in marketing...a minor breakthrough....is like feeling you discovered fire.

          I read a book once on selling by Harry Browne (A big author in the 80s). It was titled Selling Is Easy, later combined with another book to be titled
          The Secret of Selling Anything: A road map to success for the salesman... who is not aggressive, who is not a "smooth talker," and who is not an extrovert

          About half way through the book, I started crying. I'm not a man who cries easily or often.

          But this author showed a depth of insight into selling, I've only seen a few times, and never by another author. And I know the battles he had to go through, the scars he had from the struggle...to gain that understanding.

          And when I read his book, I felt like he was reaching across the years to find me and perhaps a few others.

          I know how this all sounds. But I'm being sincere.

          Climbing a mountain, everyone starts at the beginning, taking different routes, different journeys, but at the summit, we are all at the same place.

          I need to take a nap.
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          • Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            ...I can tell ...
            Like yr eyes know where zackly to look ...

            an' yr heart knows where zackly to follow ...

            an' (frankly) the cut of yr loon pants don't mattah shit in the end.

            We are eye an' ear an' touch an' voice -- or we are nuthin'.

            {Heartsy Apple Scent Shampoo ad Figures HERE.}

            Thing is, tho -- this happins alla the time.

            For most evrywan gaht access to their baysick senses.

            I would wish always to hone muh senses accurit as I can ...

            bcs there ain't no point hyperventilatin' out on gowin' to Hevvin if'n yr cult leadah drahps pool with the guys for rape evry time.

            It is our own persnl business to TELL before we can SHOW.

            You don't hear this too good these days bcsa copywritahs read Tolkien figure they gaht STORYTELLIN' SMARTS can avert OBLIVION ...

            but is not SEE ...

            prior to inevitabyool précis?

            It is inevitabyool sumthin' ALWAYS happnins next.

            If'n I am gone, OP is gone, WF is gone, an' evrythin' else is gone.*

            An' if'n ima parta it, I would wanna figure my place in the times I gonna tell.

            You git to read stuff, dontchya, asya go on?

            Fast as intyooition, diligent as hours mastahin' 'sensshl use of yr own CAME WITH THE FRICKIN' SUIT assholecraft.

            Before us all is gaze upon stuff, I guess.

            Gotta be happy always to be pertickulah.

            When you have soul, kickpowah, exotic fabric, evocative Fu stylin', an' raw autograph potential ... you know inevitably you can upsell on a whim.

            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            ...I can tell ...
            *Incloodin' CRAP LEISUREWEAR for CRAP PETS. If'n you figure AVOIDIN' ARMAGEDDON depends ' pon what yr stoopid ... i dunno .. iguana is wearin' as parta its REPTILE BRAIN ENHANCIN' TIARA PROCLAMAYSCHWAAHN, mebbe jump in a swamp sumtime soon.
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            With this caveat: (except for a very few), DIRECT SELLING IS DEAD! R.I.P.

            There may be a handful of throwbacks left, those people who leave their homes and go and sell SOMETHING directly to others, be it door to door or business to business. I think maybe 20 years ago or so, Don Alm told us about selling OPEN/CLOSED signs to local businesses, which always surprised me, what business does not have one of these? Turned out, a lot of them didn't.

            I cut my teeth on door to door, literally starting at 10; and like Claude, I read everything I could get my hands on about selling and how to get better and better at it. It helped me get many a job, even in marketing companies, doing some copywriting gigs...because, Remote Direct Marketing (once called Mail Order) uses salesmanship in print to fuel its money making.

            There are still many opportunities for a person to person money making sales gig, however, they are very few who WANT to take that opportunity.

            I can't tell you how many DESPERATE people I've talked to in the last year, and when presented with a LEGIT, tested and proven, way to make 500 to 1000 a week by direct selling, they turn out to be NOT T H A T desperate. Sort of like Meatloaf singing; I will do anything for love, but I won't do that.

            Tell a desperate person to go and simply TALK to people, and today not 1 in 1000 will do it, in my youth, maybe 1 in 50. Of course, we actually learned how to talk to people back then.

            Well, it is what it is. Just don't tell me you're willing to do anything, and when I offer up a legit face to face sales method, and you say; "I won't do that"... don't be surprised to hear some bat out of hell playing next time we talk...cause I have nothing else to say to you, fair enough?

            GordonJ
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            The problem with experts handing out free advice on a free forum......

            It isn't recognized. It looks like any other opinion to the uninitiated.

            My first month learning Kung Fu...

            Everyone in the class looked equally adept at Kung Fu. The guys that just started looked like the guys who had ten years of hard training. The eyes of the uninitiated.

            Eventually you could see the differences the efficiency, the power, the alignments.

            Even now, after not seriously training for a few decades...I can tell how long a person has been training watching them throw a single punch or kick. The eyes of the initiated.

            For an expert's unsolicited advice to be seen as separate from the newbie posts, takes something of a trained eye. And there aren't that many of us here.

            On the other hand, there are several, and that's more than just about anywhere else.
            And I like to hand out something (Unless I'm going for a laugh) that can be absorbed by a few people. I always assume that years from now, someone will read these posts (And others like it) and a bell will ring in their head.

            I know you know what I mean when I say that a revelation in marketing...a minor breakthrough....is like feeling you discovered fire.

            I read a book once on selling by Harry Browne (A big author in the 80s). It was titled Selling Is Easy, later combined with another book to be titled
            The Secret of Selling Anything: A road map to success for the salesman... who is not aggressive, who is not a "smooth talker," and who is not an extrovert

            About half way through the book, I started crying. I'm not a man who cries easily or often.

            But this author showed a depth of insight into selling, I've only seen a few times, and never by another author. And I know the battles he had to go through, the scars he had from the struggle...to gain that understanding.

            And when I read his book, I felt like he was reaching across the years to find me and perhaps a few others.

            I know how this all sounds. But I'm being sincere.

            Climbing a mountain, everyone starts at the beginning, taking different routes, different journeys, but at the summit, we are all at the same place.

            I need to take a nap.
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  • Profile picture of the author shami
    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

    It is safe to say, most Warriors really don't want anything OFFLINE, even though it can be extremely lucrative. The reluctance is about having to deal with people. It makes me a bit sad, really.

    Most of my life dealing with people has been the FUN part, even when it was make a sale or starve times, and most of us have had a few of those times too, eh?

    I get it, times are different, talking to people is hard for many, we may have had Incels back in the day, but thankfully, they were silent sitting in the basement getting high.

    I want to post about an idea, a concept, which has been my NORTHSTAR guiding principle for decades, and you will see that reflected in my responses to newbies in the BEGINNER'S sub forum...and that is, what do you bring to the table? What do you have to GIVE to the world, what is your offer?

    We see decades of how can I get, how can I make money, how can I...me, me, me...and my response has always been, what do you bring with you that you can convert into a product or service that people want and will pay for?

    Back about the time this forum started, one old member, Don Alm, had a program about selling MENU boards to restaurants, and I got into that heavily, even finding a woodworker to make my version of the DAILY MENU BOARD, and it was lucrative, albeit a lot of calling on businesses and TALKING to them.

    So, would it surprise you to know a variation of that program, although almost identical to what was presented 25 years ago, is still going strong and producing recurring profits for some still in that game?

    I'm not surprised. Any good idea you have that can HELP a business to get and to retain customers is going to find a welcome audience. It is a GIVE first, then get sort of concept.

    How can you help that Pizza shop get more business? How can you help that restaurant sell more profitable meals? How can you HELP the business first, and by doing so, you have a happy and appreciative customer.

    It is a simple concept, and I don't see much of it today at the Warrior forum.

    Just yesterday, I talked to an older Warrior (and like many, he hasn't been here in years) about his latest program...and I felt like a time traveler.

    Today, August 29, 2024 he is giving FREE flyers to Pizza shops and Take out restaurants to help them get and keep customers. Good golly Molly, that is so 1995, in this sub forum alone, you will find tons of pizza box top ideas, and the Warrior Forum had many many people jump on that band wagon...but I doubt if many are still doing it.

    Evolution is what takes place, and today, maybe QR codes or customer rewards, or mms, or something high tech on the flyer, or maybe just a simple coupon. But it is a dirt simple idea, help the shops get and keep customers.

    Someone in USA can go out in his/her community and be a STAR by giving away free flyers and the PIZZA shop (restaurant) pays nothing and gets customers, meanwhile, the ads on the flyer put thousands of dollars into the pocket of the GIVER.

    Give first, get second.

    Hopefully, that is still food for thought today, and is as good advice as it was back in the 20th century.

    What do you have to give? What value have your brought to the Warrior forum?

    GordonJ
    The brilliance of old-school methods, like the pizza flyers or even printed boxes, isn't just in the execution but in the underlying principle:

    solving a real, local problem.

    The strategies that Don Alm and others developed were all about identifying tangible needs, more foot traffic, more loyal customers and providing solutions that directly addressed those pain points.

    This isn't just about technology or new tools, it's about empathy, problem-solving, and human connection.
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    • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
      Originally Posted by shami View Post


      This isn't just about technology or new tools, it's about empathy, problem-solving, and human connection.
      Aw, yeah -- but then millennials showed up, with a seecrit language evin' no frickin' bone-assed Gen Whatevah could figure.

      "Why suck up to bloatwash branding when you could have your eyes set on the NEXT millennium simply because Taylor Swift's ass and the flesh of every newborn babe share a similar intrinsically transmissible softness?"

      Gen Whatevah bites back: You named me, and, as it turns out, I'm eternal. So are we grafting emergent infant hair onto Swifto's fannyflaps, or showing kids how to sing real sweet bcs 20% discount on WombSing LifeEcho?

      My view?

      Whose empathy?

      Whose prahblems?

      Whose hoomans-here-rn connections?

      Like evry frickin' wizard evah said: "There is magic in wands."

      Which means kinda ...

      you speakin' to a wand-savvy audience, then run with the wands.

      Resta the time DON'T EVAH TALK WAND.

      (If'n there be such thing as the powah of illusion, it depends on this distincyshwaahn.)
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        My favorite joke by Nikki Glaser to Jeff Ross: "You look like your pronouns are IT and THAT."

        Pronouns he won't likely possess. WHOSE? is right. When it comes to having the empathy, connection and solving THEIR problems.

        A Swifty may have a problem of getting tickets to the nearest concert, and thousands will empathize, for sure.

        The possessive pronoun Whose is often confused with Who's...

        Who's the artist whose painting just sold for a million dollars?

        Who is going to BUY my product, depends on whose problem it solves.

        So I see both viewpoints.

        Which brings us back to the BUYER, and that is determined (or should be) at the beginning, right?

        I'm not big on cursing in promotions although it has become the Guru de jour SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) of the times.

        So avatar, TARGET prospect, still (and always will) plays a significant part in business and IM, although as we see here every single day, it is an oft overlooked first step. And OFFLINE, when face to face, or before one gets there, their presentation/sales pitch/offer is pre-determined by if they are part of the WHOSE, and if then, they become the who's.

        Thanks shami and PB, two rights make a left field, eh?

        GordonJ

        P.S. Old school methods aren't going to disappear anytime soon either. Still lots of moolah to be made using them.


        Originally Posted by shami View Post

        The brilliance of old-school methods, like the pizza flyers or even printed boxes, isn't just in the execution but in the underlying principle:

        solving a real, local problem.

        The strategies that Don Alm and others developed were all about identifying tangible needs, more foot traffic, more loyal customers and providing solutions that directly addressed those pain points.

        This isn't just about technology or new tools, it's about empathy, problem-solving, and human connection.
        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        Aw, yeah -- but then millennials showed up, with a seecrit language evin' no frickin' bone-assed Gen Whatevah could figure.

        "Why suck up to bloatwash branding when you could have your eyes set on the NEXT millennium simply because Taylor Swift's ass and the flesh of every newborn babe share a similar intrinsically transmissible softness?"

        Gen Whatevah bites back: You named me, and, as it turns out, I'm eternal. So are we grafting emergent infant hair onto Swifto's fannyflaps, or showing kids how to sing real sweet bcs 20% discount on WombSing LifeEcho?

        My view?

        Whose empathy?

        Whose prahblems?

        Whose hoomans-here-rn connections?

        Like evry frickin' wizard evah said: "There is magic in wands."

        Which means kinda ...

        you speakin' to a wand-savvy audience, then run with the wands.

        Resta the time DON'T EVAH TALK WAND.

        (If'n there be such thing as the powah of illusion, it depends on this distincyshwaahn.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Let's assoom an OFF switch rn.

    Like alla yr favo socmed platforms leachin' revenue like why the hell play?

    *aaand rullaxe!*
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  • Almost 3 months since I posited Sansline.

    "Exactly like it was before, only different."

    (this is naht a subscribah service btw.)

    Could be a good time to figure the hextent to which yr persnl sensorium yawlready been pwned.

    Seems I now gotta bone up on SIDESADDLE without hangin' offa no hoss by muh thongstraps.

    Like sum kinda crowbat.

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    That a dreeyim or a sooyside mish?
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