NEWBIES READ THIS!!! How Y-O-U Can Make 50k From Nothing With ZERO HTML Knowledge

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For all of you who are intimidated by all the big talk around here, and feel that you arent worthy to make money...listen up. John Boy is gonna share something with you.

Here's how you can make 50-100k this year right from where you are right now... starting this moment, even if you dont leave the chair you are sitting in for a week except to piss or get a coffee.

Even if you know nothing... and even if people start attacking this thread saying Im full of crap... if you do what I say and ignore them... you are going to make money and help business owners.

Trust me, people are gonna hate me for this, and try to discredit what I am about to share with you... but dont buy it.

Maybe they wont.

In either event this is for you, if you are new and feel intimidated. I did it myself starting out and still do.

When I started i knew nothing, had never even touched a "typewriter", and half the warrior forum members were all newbies like I was, and like you are now...who knew virtually nothing... and people right here on the wf were doing this kind of thing I am about to share and reporting success... and it still works. Dont let anyone lie to you.

There is a product that has been selling like mad since the internet began, and still does. It has been ranking on search engines just fine for 15 years now... and thats never gonna change, no matter how many new models come out... and it can be produced with any drag and drop "website for dummies" program... some of you may remember:

Its called an html website.

I want to tell you that if you know ZERO about building websites...you can sit where you are right now, and have one up in 3 hours, and you can also do it for others and make money... and YES you will be helping them get their online presence started...all you have to do is follow basic instructions.

A: Go to homestead.com

B: Order the $19.00 per month reseller Package

C: This will enable you to buy domain names for $5.00 apeice, and cost you 2.00 per month hosting on each new site you Build. yes you own the domains and yes you can transfer the sites whenever you want. Plus the domains are ready in 1 hour, not 72.

D: Follow their easy step by step drag and drop, copy and paste system for building a website with their Templates. you will get more advanced at using it with time, and there are tons of options you wont need... but they are nice to have. Trust me ANYONE can figure this out, I may even create a video to show you if I get time, but they provide video tutorials.

E: Follow their easy Optimization instructions, no technical knowledge required. You will be creating websites your first day.

F: Call local business owners and offer them a basic 3 page website for $199 plus 24.95 per month. It will take you all of 60 minutes to create their site.

At this price you can easily sell one site per day.

Thats $1,000 per week. But lets just say you only sell 3 per week.

$600 per week right off the bat.

3 customers per week times 52 weeks = 156 customers per year

Each customer cost you 24.per year, and they pay you $25.00 per month on top of the initial $199.

So , off of the intial $199 at 3 customers per week you make $31, 044 your first year making an easy sell and delivering a quality basic site.

Off of Hosting you make a profit of $299 per year per customer X 156 customers... = 46,706 per year from residuals...

So you have created 46k per year in residual income... so lets say half of them cancel the first year... you have still created 23k per year in residual income.

So lets lowball for the skeptics and say you lose half you customers the first year, and your residual is really 23k :rolleyes:

You now make about 55k per year...

You made at least 50k your very FIRST year... making simple HTML Websites ).

Now if you charge $399 instead of $199 you make over 100k your first year.

If you want to offer additional seo services... you can outsource it...and create upsells with a static html site just as well as any other kind of site...dont let people lie to you.

Experts might tell you that static HTML sites are passe, and that these programs dont work... but the truth is that half the sites on the internet are made with them... i have several and made $400 today ALONE off just one of them.

Experts might also tell you need to know this and that and this and that... but I promise if you offered them $1000 market your static html site they would not only take it, but probably assure over and over you of how well it was gonna work!

Yes. If you create a decent basic site with a program like homestead, you still provide plenty of value for your customer, and the design options arent as limited as some would lead you to think.

You can absolutely sit down and learn to build one of these sites in a day or so...even if you are starting with virtually ZERO knowledge, and have all the tools at your disposal that can create a very effective site for your client.

You can even use their templates if you want.

Do your clients benefit from the sites? Yes. do they get ranked? Yes. can they be marketed? Yes? Can you create backlinks for them? Yes. Are the pages optimized? Yes.

Just follow the tutorials.

Am I making money off affiliates links for telling you this?

No.

Do I have a wso on it?

No.

Am I just trying to help the little guy?

Yes. because I just saw a post of how some guy was saying "How do I make $10,000 per year...and realized how desperate some people are and they dont need rocket science answers, they need something they can learn and implement NOW.

Trust me...if you are one of those little guys... I need you, because this post isnt gonna make me real popular with anybody glamorous!

But its the truth.

Like I said , anyone who would tell you these kinds of sites are worthless... would still take your money and promise you they could market it.

And (theres that "and" Alexa) they would be RIGHT!!!!

Look at these templates... Templates Available to Build Easy Websites | Homestead they arent WAAAY extravagant, but you'll agree they dont look bad... Some are gonna disagree and say they look like crap because they dont like it that you can do this... but look with your own eyes without their opinions in the way and ask yourself? Are these bad looking sites?

Can you see someone paying you to design a site like that?

Well let me tell you they WILL and they will have a damn fine site too.

You dont even have to use templates as you will see its stupidly simple to design them yourself...

Does anyone think a basic tstatic html site wont rank?

Does anyone think basic templates wont rank?

You're wrong.

Do you need ANY html or programming knowledge to do this...?

That's the best part

ABSOLUTELY not...you can train yourself to do it in 3 hours...and day by day you will get better and better at it!

So there you go newby....theres a plan.

Now go make some money and dont let anybody intimidate you!

Back 10 or 12 years ago when I found the warriors secret forum... posts like this were what it was all about, and thats why I make money today!

Thanks Allen!
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  • Profile picture of the author Vlad Shelest
    John,

    I'm just starting to dip my toes into this muddy water called "offline" marketing. I mean there are so many opinions floating around the WF and so much advice that's conflicting. Some of that advice is valuable and good, some is just crap based on theory of what "should" work rather than being based on actual real-world experience.

    Your post is fantastic!

    Actually, I've been following your posts/threads and looking at your products for a little while now and I love both your approach and your obvious knowledge and experience.

    Mate, this information is more valuable and actionable than a $27 WSO I bought the other day. Thanks for that!

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  • Profile picture of the author earnme97
    Thanks a LOT John.... Will try it out!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by earnme97 View Post

      Thanks a LOT John.... Will try it out!

      Dont try man!

      Commit yourself! Its not as scary as it seems...in fact the journey is passionate and exciting...this is a good way to start and make money while you develop.

      I did it from the very same place you are now...maybe not even as far as you are now!

      You will develop more over time just like everyone else did... but you can start with this plan NOW, and it wont fail if you commit yourself to the process. I promise.

      No need to be broke while you learn.

      Just put your blinders on and forget all the bs around you and look forward. You can make money within a week, and start developing relationships with business owners, and they dont mind growing with you, trust me.

      If you get stuck on your first html site, post here and I'll help you. Use the homestead program. It works, its simple for a newby, and the sites rank nicely.

      Once again you dont see an affiliate link... no motivation here but to help, and give back because so much has been givin to me...and I started with nothing...not even a high school diploma.

      10 years ago, it was just me...the exciting new warrior forum... and a dummy program...and we just all took it all the way together.

      Guess what...its still just us...and I still use the dummy program...however much better than I used to, 100's of thousands of dollars later.

      Note - Just in case someone tells you these homestead, or "template" sites are worthless...:

      I would never show my own sites here because I made that mistake once and my clients started getting calls from 10 different people...But here are some examples from another designer who uses Homestead templates...the same simple program that any newby can use, the one the the "experts" would tell you isnt real web design.

      These sites rank in both google places listings and also natural search rankings

      1: Google (broad search) "Sarasota guitar lessons" or "guitar lessons sarasota" two competitive terms. you will see this site which was designed with a homestead template...yes you can even drag and drop video or whatever...even if you are a beginner. This is the site you will find at the top of the search rankings... http://www.guitarlessonssarasota.com/ YES it is a basic homestead site...

      Now let me ask is this guys site valuable? Well its on top of google natural and also google places...what do you think?

      Could any newby do this with a web for dummies program? Yes. can YOU? Yes. Do you need to be an expert? No.

      2: Try googling "sarasota finish carpenter" another competitive term, or "finish carpentry sarasota" Yet again you will find that the top ranking sites are ones designed with a dummy program , my favorite one "homestead" thats made for newbies with no html knowledge or programming knowledge.
      http://www.finishcarpentrysarasota.com/

      Yet another "websites for dummies" homestead site that any newby could learn to design easily following a dummy tutorial. ranked on the top of both google places and also google natural listings...

      Do you think this guy is getting business off his site? Of course, and making thousands of dollars per month Im sure...cabinets arent cheap.

      Do you need to be a programmer to design this site?

      No.

      If you got paid $399 for this site and you didnt know how to create a google places listing for the client, could you pay sombody 50 -100 bucks to do it for you? Yes. Sorry experts, its true.

      Can you figure out what keywords are obvious that your customer would want to rank for and place them in a predesigned template that says "put your keywords here" and automatically be meta tagged... YES YOU can. Alll you need is a dummy program ...you dont need to be a programmer or expert at coding... it shows you where the meta tag box is in the program and says "type your keywords here that you want this page to rank for".

      You can do that.

      I want to dispel the myth that you have to be an expert to get a business owner online and help them get ranked.

      Is every site you create gonna be number one?

      No but whose is?

      If you dont know anything right now but how to open your email box and send an email, you can go to a site like homestead or others...and learn to design a website within 24 hours!

      Will you get better with time just like everyone else? Yes.

      Start NOW!!!!

      You can do this with a template program from where you are right now, starting with the knowledge you have right now, and baby...the proof is in the pudding. Its self evident.

      There are THOUSANDS of these basic sites designed with dummy programs that are ranking and the business owners are getting new customers off of them every day, and I dont care how new you are you can learn to do this and pick up a phone and call some business owners and make money helping them get online!

      Its funny to know that half the people reading this are looking out for what my agenda is.

      Just want to make a point and help some people... I know that not having an agenda is foreign to some... however... its just the way things ought to be when you have been given so much, you should give.

      VERY obviously...my desire is not to convince you that I am an authority..because all the authorities are laughing at this post right now.

      BUT...its true. You can do this with ZERO programming knowledge... and you arent worthless, and what you offer isnt worthless, the proof is right here.

      Go get the dummy program and learn...watch the tutorials, and help some business owners...

      You dont have to be an expert...just be YOU and start with this...and grow, and let your customers grow with you... and start NOW!!!!

      Go! Do it!

      You can!

      Sure I like to sell a report here and there... but I also like to help people for no good reason sometimes, just because I have been blessed, and freely given to, so I want to freely give sometimes. Thats what this is about. You will remeber this and give too! pay it forward.

      Offline may not be your goal... but if it is, and you feel intimidated, then be like I was, and like many others were, especially when the internet was new, and hardly anyone knew anything..., I wasnt a slave to any expert when I started out... it just made sense that if I tried some things I could figure it out... well I did...now Im showing you what I figured out. What didnt take years figure out, what can help you RIGHT NOW, without feeling intimidated just because others know more. Others are ALWAYS gonna know more... cant let it stop you. Put your blinders on, stick your head in the sand... look only at your dream, and "aspire" with dedication. Become fascinated by the process and dont despise your humble beginning.

      Someday you will help someone, because they will know that you started the same way they did, and they will be inspired. Ignorant, intimidated because everyone else seems to know more... dont let it stop you...learn as you go and start out with the wonderful tools are all around that believe it or not were created for people JUST LIKE YOU!!!!

      Now if your customer gets a decent website, and you get paid... and everyone is happy... DO YOU CARE IF ANYONE THINKS YOU ARE LESS THAN BECAUSE YOU ARENT A REAL PROGRAMMER?

      As you can see... I dont! I can pick up the phone tomorrow and sell somebody a solid website and not charge nearly as much as my competitors and truly deliver value. SO CAN YOU!!!!!

      Now I do work with web designers sometimes for real complicated stuff... but for a basic small biz website, you dont need to be complicated... when I work with a designer its because that way I can focus on sales... but I dont NEED to... whenever I want I can bust out my dummy program and produce a site just fine! Its not gonna be real flashy, though it might be more flashy than you'd expect from an ignorant hillbilly..., but it will make a business owner happy and it will be a great tool for their business, and they will love me for it.

      You can do this guys! Dont procrastinate success...procrastinate procrastination instead. Get yourself a dummy program and learn how to do a small biz site, you can learn the rest along the way... then come back to the warrior forum and learn some cool stuff from the experts to add to your arsenol.

      Dont stop to smell the roses, smell them while you are running with them in your hand!

      Make some money!

      Okay Im done. Rant over... newbies officially empowered!
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      • Profile picture of the author joshril
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Dont try man!

        Commit yourself! Its not as scary as it seems...in fact the journey is passionate and exciting...this is a good way to start and make money while you develop.
        Let me just add to what John said:

        Do or do not... there is no try...

        -Yoda

        Sorry... couldn't help myself on that one...

        I always enjoy reading John's posts. The amount that John gives for free is awesome, and he's an amazing asset to this forum.

        Thanks,


        Joshua
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    • Profile picture of the author smartdoctor
      Originally Posted by earnme97 View Post

      Thanks a LOT John.... Will try it out!
      I will give it a thought too
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  • Profile picture of the author Drakuul
    Brilliant!
    Thanks John... great post, makes really good sense!
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  • You're right John, you're not going to be the most popular guy on the forum for posting this thread, but is it true? Yes. Is it the best option overall? No, but it is a way for people to get out there and at least get started.

    The whole argument can be brought up about what's the purpose of offline consulting, to make money or to help a business out by making them more money? The truth is, the purpose is both. The reason to do this business is to make money helping others make more money. If it takes using a lower end software tool to create sites that get a client online, then do it, and improve and upgrade from there.

    Start where you have to in order to get where you want to be, but just start, or you'll never get there.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Chad Heffelfinger View Post

      You're right John, you're not going to be the most popular guy on the forum for posting this thread, but is it true? Yes. Is it the best option overall? No, but it is a way for people to get out there and at least get started.

      The whole argument can be brought up about what's the purpose of offline consulting, to make money or to help a business out by making them more money? The truth is, the purpose is both. The reason to do this business is to make money helping others make more money. If it takes using a lower end software tool to create sites that get a client online, then do it, and improve and upgrade from there.

      Start where you have to in order to get where you want to be, but just start, or you'll never get there.
      Chad,

      Thanks for your thoughts, you are an awesome guy! Always uplifting! Lol. yeah I know Im gonna be a man with a mark on my head. lol

      My own favorite web designer might even scold me for this one!

      Back when the WF started this is how we rolled... people were less concerned with being considered an expert, and more concerned with learning together, and excited to share just for the sake of sharing. The internet, as was the WF was all new and exciting. I lurked more than participated then... and I had a different handle... but I LOVED this place and could wait to get home from "work" everyday to come here, just like many newbies now... so this just gives them something else to be excited about! the knowledge that they "can".


      Originally Posted by Daryl Lim View Post

      So I want to go about making $1000 in a week.

      How do I find clients who will pay me that much?
      Get on the phone and ask some people if they need a website... the good ole fashion way thats worked for 15 years. Simple. Set an appointment to go talk to them.

      I teach alot of techniques for that... but a few hours on the phone you could easily get in your groove and figure it out without buying any report.

      Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daryl Lim
    So I want to go about making $1000 in a week.

    How do I find clients who will pay me that much?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Daryl Lim View Post

      So I want to go about making $1000 in a week.

      How do I find clients who will pay me that much?
      Daryl, it's really quite easy. As John has described, just keep calling local businesses until you get business owners who are interested. It's not as hard as it seems, as it really is just a numbers game. Out of every 100 local businesses that you call, I don't think it'd be unreasonable to assume that you could close 1-2 of them on a website.

      The issue here is that many people are afraid of calling, and typically call less than 50 businesses after which they call it a day, concluding that this surely cannot work. You have to make up your mind to do this (and not just "try"), and this means reserving your judgment about whether or not this will work and instead just bite the bullet and call over a hundred businesses swiftly and efficiently, without engaging in small talk especially with the business owners who aren't interested.

      You want to bang out those phone calls as quickly as possible and get your first sale as swiftly as you can. Once you've acquired that all-important first sale, you're going to be much more motivated to keep calling - when you keep the momentum up like this, you'll find that it actually is pretty easy to get at least $1,000 per week selling simple websites just like what John mentions here!

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    • Profile picture of the author sagemore48
      Originally Posted by Daryl Lim View Post

      So I want to go about making $1000 in a week.

      How do I find clients who will pay me that much?
      go for very door in yr neiborhood and communities ,knock at the door,ask"may I help u?":rolleyes:like a little boy

      cleaning the house,lawn、garden...
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    • Profile picture of the author DrMeg
      Originally Posted by Daryl Lim View Post

      So I want to go about making $1000 in a week.

      How do I find clients who will pay me that much?
      I'm just starting but I am about to get my third offline client by doing a HubPage about their business. I went into the shop, asked to speak to the owner, told them about the HubPage I was doing, asked if I could take a few photos for the HubPage. We chatted, I took photos, I sent them the HubPage link when I was done. Took a couple of hours.

      Two things happened....

      1. They sent the link out to everyone on their list and that HubPage got a lot of views, and I (with only a few HubPages created so far) now have a HubPage Accolade award on my profile.

      2. One of the stores profiled in the HubPage is "thinking about" hiring me to re-do their website. All I need to do is go back and follow up. (that reminds me....note to self.....follow your own advice and follow up today!)

      Now that I'm armed with this excellent and easy website creation tool, I'm going for it!

      Thanks John for your help and encouragement.
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    • Profile picture of the author RogerAderholdt
      Originally Posted by Daryl Lim View Post

      So I want to go about making $1000 in a week.

      How do I find clients who will pay me that much?
      You find TEN clients willing to pay you $100 each.

      Or 20 that's willing to pay $50 each.

      Good luck.

      Great post John... that's for sharing and giving a proven idea for success...
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    • Profile picture of the author john1818
      Originally Posted by Daryl Lim View Post

      So I want to go about making $1000 in a week.

      How do I find clients who will pay me that much?

      Dude, Rome wasn't built in a day. Start slowly, but surely. There's no real "get-rich scheme" But there will always be "Try harder and be rich later"
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    • Profile picture of the author marketingloser
      Originally Posted by Daryl Lim View Post

      So I want to go about making $1000 in a week.

      How do I find clients who will pay me that much?
      As John and Paul said it does take work and determination however if you want to be a bit more efficient and not have to as much contacting, say the first 5 biz owners you commit to doing business with you, offer them say a 10% discount on the monthly retainer fee if they give you at least ten business referrals.

      If you even have 3 biz owners do this for you that's thirty prospects which you didn't have to personally contact.
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  • Profile picture of the author wendymay1
    Thanks john for the excellent tip.
    Something seriously for me to decide.

    Its also true that there is nothing wrong with ringing a business to offer your services i.e. to create these websites for any business owner. Businesses will jump at the idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by wendymay1 View Post

      Thanks john for the excellent tip.
      Something seriously for me to decide.

      Its also true that there is nothing wrong with ringing a business to offer your services i.e. to create these websites for any business owner. Businesses will jump at the idea.
      Indeed. and if they are an OFFLINE business, chances are they arent gonna jump up if you dont call on them!

      You would be surprised at all the people who want to talk to someone just like you, and they dont want any big fancy parades... they just want to deal with a down to earth person who can get them online without alot of hassle.

      You can be real and even say "Hey Im just starting, but if you will give me a shot I can build you a website for $300 and if you dont like it I will keep working on it til you do"... Seriously, you can do that... drop the sales crap and just TALK to them. Some people will trust you more just because they can see you're not that professional as a salesman.

      You would be surprised how if you are just down to earth with people how many will talk to you.

      You would also be surprised to know how many people are actually "turned off" because you are overly polished, or seem to concerned with looking like a big deal.

      You know what? I cant count the times a customer said yes to me when I first started 10 years ago, and then told me later they only said yes because they admired me for calling and being motivated enough to go out and create my own business, even when I had problems working out their site... they knew I was sincere and they knew I really wanted to do well for them, and they were patient with me... some even told me that early on they knew I was a newby, but they just couldnt say no because they admired my effort in trying...

      Hey, you will get all that along the way...and you will develop more as a professional as you go.

      Can you get some business?

      Im telling you absolutely yes you can... no doubt.

      Ps. Thanks Paulie for your contribution, much like Chad I have never seen you when you werent encouraging or uplifting... and CORRECT, because a person who believes truly in OTHERS... they are correct. People like you and Chad encourage others to believe in themselves instead of just believing in YOUR self.

      The truth is that people "can". Wow... I cant believe 11 years ago, I was literally afraid of a typewriter.

      I was running a call center that sold websites... I knew the phone pitch, I knew how to telemarket...and could train others to say the pitch well... but you know what? I had no idea what I was talking about telling customers on the phone about lycos and hot bot and excite.... I was just saying the pitch.

      I remember one morning after I got promoted... I was so nervous because I thought "my boss has no idea how ignorant I am at this internet stuff or he wouldnt have promoted me"... and he asked me to go around the room and turn on all the computers... I remember taking my friend to the side (at 30 years old) and telling him I was embarrassed, staring at the monitor looking for a button....because I didnt even know how to turn on the tower. lol

      Today that same person (me) makes his ENTIRE living on the internet, and a pretty decent one.

      When I finally learned from that same friend how to get on yahoo and surf...it was the most exciting time!

      I know that sometimes people dont believe it, but some of these newbies are just as ignorant and intimidated as I was... and they have just as much potential.

      So anyway, go order a dummy program and you will be able to design a website within hours...then grow from there. Yes a drag and drop newby html template program can be just as effective as any other site, once again the proof is in the pudding, and they were specifically designed to WORK for people just like you!!!!

      In fact when I left that job a year later, me and my friend started a web design company that ended up doing 30 thousand per month, and we had pro web designers in our office who we paid 15 bucks an hour, but we made them use template programs so that if they ever walked out we could edit the sites ourselves and wouldnt be sunk, also we could easily train others the system if we needed to hire someone else in a hurry, and our customers LOVED their sites!

      True story.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinmin
    Excellent John. I think most of us (including myself) over complicate things. Your idea is simple and is definitely doable. Thanks for excellent sharing !
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
      Hi John, thankyou so much for sharing this information it is very much appreciated, I will definitely have to try this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vanessa Reece
      John, I'm on your cheerleading team don't worry. But I may have to leave if the team colours clash with my hair.

      On a serious note the idea is solid. Two things I'd like to bring up if I may though.

      Years ago I used to make free sites for people. Mostly free (because I had sucker written on my head) but still it was ever so good experience. A few I did to gain experience and some I got paid for. YES people will pay for sites like these for sure but from the buyers perspective I'd like to just in-still some good customer service.

      People think they can just stick up any old thing and it will do.

      Most people reading this will totally be dedicated into doing a good job.

      Last week my lil heart sank as I was shown by two different prospects the sites they'd purchased (for a lot more than what you specify here John). I witnessed what can only be called 'carnage in a browser'. Links not working, images not optimized and heavy...blah. Colour schemes that screamed 'web designer on acid' ...you get the picture. You all must know the kind of sites I mean.

      So yes - site building like John said is a workable plan but read the tutorials and think if you'd be happy with the site you created.

      I've been known to scrap a site completely if I think it looks like crap.

      As for being a marked man John - did you mean from Web designers or anyone doing this who doesn't want anyone to know?

      I'd say there is a market for all price brackets and it's a big world. No mark needs to be put on you for stating the obvious.

      Go you!

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      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Okay have I worn out my welcome yet... ? Better go before you guys get sick of hearing me and I overwhelm and make everyone miss the point by talking too much to assimilate...

      Read the first post! Thats where the gold is!

      I promise to never sell you a program on this subject... just want you to hear this so you can be empowered...if you are one who needs it.

      I might make a video showing you how to make these websites though for free. Very simple. The forum has given me alot, and I have made alot of money from learning here. Just want to spread the love!

      Maybe its the wine...oh yeah forgot, I m not drinking... okay, maybe its the sparkle in your eyes...okay...maybe not...

      Just read it man!!!!!
      Hey John - did you ever create that video?

      Cheers pal - you are amazing...
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    John - Newbies? Heck it's a great post for everyone, and on a whole lot of levels.

    I rarely read every word of every post (usually also a fast way to stick your foot in your mouth...well, not your mouth, mine. I mean, I don't put your foot in my mou...oh never mind) but I did here.

    And I really appreciate your candor and time in posting. I hope just because people can come on to this great forum and see stuff like that for free that they don't underestimate the value in your first post.

    However - a couple things. One, what was that about the "and" and Alexa? I'm nervous because I start with "and" a lot. Is that a huge faux-pas? Or is it a real pas? Hehe. Uh...sorry. Sometimes I think I'm funny.

    Also, you make a mention a lot of how others might disagree. Why do I bring that up? Because your idea sounds great. And I would never have thought there to be a reason others would knock it if you didn't mention it.

    That being the case, let me play devil's advocate. If you did make a case, will these sites suffer even a bit in different areas like SEO, rankings, "impressiveness" (although for local small businesses like auto repair, floral shops etc. I doubt it, right?) or any other areas that those other folks could argue with? Something that you might go, "OK. Sure, maybe (whatever) might cause a problem, or you might find that it ranks less because or (whatever)..."

    Again I only ask because you seem to imply a lot of people will argue otherwise. Now I wonder if there's any merit....because it does sound like a great plan to do - even just to cover a few nice dinners a month on them, for doing something so easy and quick.

    On the same line of thinking, would the owners be able to tell they were "dummy" sites? Would it matter? I wouldn't think so, right?

    In any event, I loved your post and hope more people realize the value here. I'm curious to try bartering to get my wife's car door fixed and this may be another way for me to do so.

    Anyway, thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    Don't try man!
    This is SO RIGHT ON! If you go into it with that thinking, you're wasting your time. If you go into it thinking "I'M GONNA ROCK THIS IDEA AND IT WILL WORK!" well...it WILL work.

    Manifest your own destiny...it's the only way. It really IS the ONLY way.
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    • Profile picture of the author SuccessBlogsUK
      Excellent post John and I for one am always keen to learn things that will make my life easier.

      Even so I still believe that many people wont offer this site as a service because they will be frightened of approaching new customers. It's the ol' cold calling syndrome again.

      I'd like to just offer one way of marketing this easy to build site service, it's not the fastest way to make money online but it works. It's not new, but it avoids having to do any cold calling.

      Build the site like John says, but build it for yourself. The type of site you want to build will be one that lists local services in your area for example 'mytownemergencyplumbers.com', 'mytowntaxis.com' you know the type of thing.

      Create some posts of keyword rich content relating to your subject. Now using all your skills with SEO, backlinking etc. get it to rank on the first page of Google.

      Create a page with a form where business can add themselves to your directory for free including their website, so you can take a look at what they have.

      Make the send button capable of sending you the form and at the same time redirect them to your paid services page where you offer to build them your easy site, get their own site ranked on the first page of Google, get them listed in Facebook, redesign their website etc.

      Basically offer whatever packages you have available, and make it easy for them to contact you, including your phone number.

      Using this method you wont have to worry about cold calling or finding customers, they come to you.

      This type of site is similar to classified ad sites that let you post a free ad, and then redirect you to their upsell page for extra features.

      Hope this helps anyone worried about cold calling.
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        Originally Posted by SuccessBlogsUK View Post

        Excellent post John and I for one am always keen to learn things that will make my life easier...Hope this helps anyone worried about cold calling.
        I must admit, the thought of cold calling sent a "yuck" feeling thru my bones. I am not a SEO expert (yet), and was even thinking about how I could outsource this to someone else, as I have a regular job M-F. Any thoughts on this, Team?
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    • Profile picture of the author MRomeo09
      NVM- I don't want to hijack John's thread.

      Good info John.

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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    This does work. I joined John's Telemarketing Forum two months ago and it took me about 2 months to make my first call because "I was getting ready", "I was setting up", but the truth of the matter was I dreaded making that first cold call.

    The first of the month was here(Wednesday) and a fellow WF member challenged me to get on the phones. That I did. I don't have money in the bank from it, but I have 5 or 6 great leads that I plan on following up/setting appointments with next week. I have always been the guy to say, "Thank God it's Friday" and "Aw, sh*t it's Monday", but now I am saying, on a Friday night, "I can't wait till Monday". I'm dead serious.

    This stuff works. John has always shared so much great information(99% of the time it's free) and he has been a great mentor on two projects I am working on.

    You don't need to be a salesman because this is a numbers game.

    I couldn't sell a dollar for 50 cents.

    True story.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post


      This stuff works. John has always shared so much great information(99% of the time it's free) and he has been a great mentor on two projects I am working on.

      True story.
      You are the most dedicated person I can think of Adam. You will do GREAT. You remind me alot of myself at your age actually.

      On the quote above; the 1% makes up for it my friend.

      When you make your work, not selling, but rather practicing the laws of the universe that never fail, you cant go wrong.

      "My face they may reject, my mannerism they may despise, and even my BARGAINS may cause them suspicion, but my love will melt their hearts liken to the sun whose rays soften the coldest clay....and who is there who can say nay to me when their heart feels my love? If I have no other qualities than this... I can succeed with love alone. I will greet this day with love in my heart and I will succeed". ~ Og

      Remember that on the phone
      ... "give energy, and instead of take", and your successes will come almost effortlessly, without resistance, and you will feel great about it and help others along the way, instead of "selling" them.

      Make your career being a master practitioner of giving, the receiving will take care of itself.

      Thats all you have to do and your success will be drawn to you while many others chase theirs.

      Thats one thing great about the WF...they teach you to give here.

      You got this.
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  • Profile picture of the author bshelite
    John,

    OUTSTANDING info in this thread.

    Thanks!!

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  • Profile picture of the author ContentIn48Hours
    For those that doubt what John is saying, I'm proof that his systems work. I contacted John several weeks ago, and I told him I needed to make at least $1,000 extra this month. John told me to buy his course and if I took action I would make it easy.

    I bought his course, and I am admittedly truly not a sales person. I was also somewhat apprehensive about cold calling. I called 103 businesses and signed up 2 customers for websites costing $499 plus recurring of $25.00. It might not sound like much, but to me it was like winning the lottery.

    I have a son that had huge medical expenses and we needed to still eat, be sheltered and at least try to pay off the medical expenses. In many ways John's course saved my family. It also led to another offline project which is making me $1,200 recurring income and will soon replace the income of both myself and my wife. I anticipate workibng only a couple more months and then my recurring income is going to dwarf anything I've ever made before.

    John's teachings have truly saved my life and family from sure financial disaster. There is no way for me to thank him enough for his help.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Its all good guys. If you read the second post... you'll see what I mean about the quality of these sites, and the placement...

      Originally Posted by PLRchief View Post

      For those that doubt what John is saying, I'm proof that his systems work. I contacted John several weeks ago, and I told him I needed to make at least $1,000 extra this month. John told me to buy his course and if I took action I would make it easy.

      I bought his course, and I am admittedly truly not a sales person. I was also somewhat apprehensive about cold calling. I called 103 businesses and signed up 2 customers for websites costing $499 plus recurring of $25.00. It might not sound like much, but to me it was like winning the lottery.

      I have a son that had huge medical expenses and we needed to still eat, be sheltered and at least try to pay off the medical expenses. In many ways John's course saved my family. It also led to another offline project which is making me $1,200 recurring income and will soon replace the income of both myself and my wife. I anticipate workibng only a couple more months and then my recurring income is going to dwarf anything I've ever made before.

      John's teachings have truly saved my life and family from sure financial disaster. There is no way for me to thank him enough for his help.

      Steve
      Steve you have no idea how this blesses me... when I first read your email of your situation I actually made an hour long audio just for you... then I scratched it because I felt it was too passionate and it would freak you out, but I so related to you. I have had my back against the wall before, and I know what it takes to pull yourself out in those times, clock is ticking, count down...the fat lady is about to sing...then something in you rises up and says NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! YOU WILL NOT SING ON ME AND MY FAMILY!!!!

      I knew you had it in you... and I was soooo hoping you would find that in yourself, and you did...without too much intervention actually, you pretty much just did it on your own with the info provided...and you did what you had to do! The walls didnt cave in on you, you found that great spirit inside of yourself, and like Samson... you werent going down without a fight!!!

      If that phone were the "jawbone of an ass".... you slayed the whole philistine army with it!!!

      Wow. what an inspiration!

      Dude, many many props to you!

      And thanks for the kind mention!

      Wow man. This touches me, I am really humbled by your words. Congrats on the $1200 recurring.... Just dont ever look back man, now you know what you have inside.... I think you knew already though, and just needed an idea!
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      • Profile picture of the author LarryS
        Hey John,

        Thanks for the great info!
        I went to the Homestead site but I didn't see any package called "reseller". I saw a "business" package for $19.99 per month but it doesn't mention anything about multiple domains and multiple websites. Is this something you need to call them about to get this package?

        Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author bshelite
          I noticed the same thing.

          Originally Posted by LarryS View Post

          Hey John,

          Thanks for the great info!
          I went to the Homestead site but I didn't see any package called "reseller". I saw a "business" package for $19.99 per month but it doesn't mention anything about multiple domains and multiple websites. Is this something you need to call them about to get this package?

          Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by LarryS View Post

          Hey John,

          Thanks for the great info!
          I went to the Homestead site but I didn't see any package called "reseller". I saw a "business" package for $19.99 per month but it doesn't mention anything about multiple domains and multiple websites. Is this something you need to call them about to get this package?

          Thanks.
          No you dont need to call them, although their people will help you understand alot. If you buy the "business" package it comes with 3 domains, and extra ones just cost 5.00 per domain, and then 2.00 per month to host... Once again if you charge a monthly hosting fee there's alot of profit to be made there.

          You got it. Thats the one. I was unclear too, because unfortunately their advertising doesnt make that point clear... they use different terminology "business" instead of "reseller..." but yes you can add as many sites as you want and you only get charged an extra 2 bucks per month past 3 sites.

          Good question!

          LOL Dang I should have used an affiliate link! They also pay $100 bucks per referral!!!


          OH BIG "PS".

          The online version is limited BIGTIME...

          Download the free sitebuilder to your computer, and the options open up like CRAZY!
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          • Hi John

            Great doable business model. Wish we could turn the clock back a few years and have had this info then.

            It would have saved us a ton of time and a big chunk of change that was wasted on listening to the prattlings and buying the rubbish of self proclaimed "gurus''.

            Anyway, great model.

            If any newbies are reading this post - GRAB the model and get yourself a serious online business in no time.

            Regards

            Bronwyn and Keith
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              • Profile picture of the author BayAreaSteve
                Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

                ....and you folks just heard it from someone who actually DOES get $2500 recurring for a site....
                Zikes!!! $2500 recurring for one site!?! ... What services are you providingn for that
                kind of money ?
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


            OH BIG "PS".

            The online version is limited BIGTIME...

            Download the free sitebuilder to your computer, and the options open up like CRAZY!
            Great tip there, John. I actually have had experience playing around with the sitebuilder for a client, and the online version is MUCH more limited in terms of options and flexibility than the sitebuilder app which you install locally on your computer. Don't make the mistake of assuming that they're both the same (which would be logical for many people), because they're vastly different!

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        • Profile picture of the author axel40
          LarryS and John,
          I say the same as Larry : I cannot even find any "reseller package" for 19+ bucks per month and maybe more expensive now. Maybe they have finished that?
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    • Profile picture of the author DylanJames
      Originally Posted by PLRchief View Post

      For those that doubt what John is saying, I'm proof that his systems work. I contacted John several weeks ago, and I told him I needed to make at least $1,000 extra this month. John told me to buy his course and if I took action I would make it easy.

      I bought his course, and I am admittedly truly not a sales person. I was also somewhat apprehensive about cold calling. I called 103 businesses and signed up 2 customers for websites costing $499 plus recurring of $25.00. It might not sound like much, but to me it was like winning the lottery.

      I have a son that had huge medical expenses and we needed to still eat, be sheltered and at least try to pay off the medical expenses. In many ways John's course saved my family. It also led to another offline project which is making me $1,200 recurring income and will soon replace the income of both myself and my wife. I anticipate workibng only a couple more months and then my recurring income is going to dwarf anything I've ever made before.

      John's teachings have truly saved my life and family from sure financial disaster. There is no way for me to thank him enough for his help.

      Steve
      That's a great story man. I hope your son is doing better and everything worked out for you and your family.
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    Thanks Uncle John
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  • Profile picture of the author LasseKohau
    Another great businessmodel from John Durham. Awesome.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
    Hi John, I had a quick read yesterday and just posted a quick thank you message. Today I have read your post over and over to fully absorb everything what you explained. I must admit I am truly inspired. Basically I am stuck right in a big hole at the minute.



    You see last year I was working as an asbestos remover, and earning a decent living, I was due to get married on 12 August, but work dried up and the last people who joined the company were the first to be let go. (me and one other guy) So inevitably we had to call off the wedding (well postpone) due to lack of funds.


    The wedding was rearranged for 7 May 2011. Then out of the blue my old company called me and said that there was a big government scheme lasting 4 years coming up where all old schools (full of asbestos) were to be torn down and replaced by new state of the art schools and that they could do with me coming back.


    So I was made up, job back wedding rescheduled and honeymoon booked (Tunisia). So whilst I was working everything that was left over after living expenses (which wasn't much) went on the wedding and honey moon. Then the new prime minister arrived and introduced new plans to tackle the budget deficit and get us out of the recession.


    And yes... You've guessed it one of the first things to go was the unnecessary spending of millions of pounds on new schools. So after only four months I lost my job (again), ever since I have tried to get jobs (in construction) and it's near damn impossible since many of the new building projects have been scrapped due to lack of funds and buyers. I had to broaden my job range and started applying for anything be it retail or bar work and still no luck.


    Basically there are so little jobs at the minute and so many applicants, (700 people applied for one certain retail position) that every job is going to the most experienced applicants which is definitely not me lol. So I have been living on benefits just counting down to the day where everything gets cancelled again.


    That is until I read your post, you have given me new hope. I need to raise £1200 by February 2nd to pay the remainder of the holiday then another £1400 by the end of April for the wedding. I now think I may well meet this target. I am going to start calling people on as soon as I am fully educated and I am going to get clients.


    There are however some small issues I would like clearing up, so any help would be fantastic.


    Do you recommend working through the phonebook for finding clients?


    1) Once you have a lead do you actually arrange a personal meeting with them? If so would you consider printing out some templates and compiling a portfolio to give them a choice of designs?


    2) Do you create all of the content yourself or simply get your client to provide you with the content?


    3) Do you request payment upfront, half payment until work is completed or payment upon completion? Also do they pay you directly into your paypal with their credit or debit card?


    4) How do you charge your customers for the hosting do you get them to sign up to a subscription and pay you via paypal or does the reseller package have the built in capabilities to handle all of this for you?


    5) What do you give to your clients after you have successfully created their site, like email address logins and other such details?



    I'm sorry if you feel like I am mithering but I would just like to know as much as I can to be fully prepared.


    Once I have the final details I will immediately start finding customers, I will then start a journal thread here on WF so you can all follow my progress.


    Many Thanks in advance,


    Ste.
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    Sorry forgot to add, I am quite expirienced using serif webplus x4 would this be suitable?
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  • Profile picture of the author vndnbrgj
    @New-Guy

    Here's one way I get leads....
    Go to Google and type in "Niche + City, State"
    For example: Hair salon Miami, FL
    You will see some local results. Under the local results will be a link that says, more results near Miami, FL. Just look thru the listings.
    Some won't have any websites, just the Google Places listing.
    I seem to think the ones that say "owner verified" (in the top right corner, it will have a green checkmark), are the best because they already know that they need some sort of online presence because they claimed their listing on Google. They are already half way sold.
    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
      Originally Posted by vndnbrgj View Post

      @New-Guy

      Here's one way I get leads....
      Go to Google and type in "Niche + City, State"
      For example: Hair salon Miami, FL
      You will see some local results. Under the local results will be a link that says, more results near Miami, FL. Just look thru the listings.
      Some won't have any websites, just the Google Places listing.
      I seem to think the ones that say "owner verified" (in the top right corner, it will have a green checkmark), are the best because they already know that they need some sort of online presence because they claimed their listing on Google. They are already half way sold.
      Hope this helps.
      Thanks for a great reply. I will give it a go.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by bronke13 View Post

    Hi John

    Great doable business model. Wish we could turn the clock back a few years and have had this info then.

    It would have saved us a ton of time and a big chunck of change that was wasted on listening to the prattlings and buying the rubbish of self proclaimed "gurus''.

    Anyway, great model.

    If any newbies are reading this post - GRAB the model and get yourself a serious online business in no time.

    Regards

    Bronwyn and Keith
    ....and you folks just heard it from someone who actually DOES get $2500 recurring for a site....

    Questions:

    1) Once you have a lead do you actually arrange a personal meeting with them? If so would you consider printing out some templates and compiling a portfolio to give them a choice of designs?

    Not on a small deal usually. Some who pay $1000 or more you will want to schedule a meeting with alot of times, sometimes even they will close over the phone though. Luis Amir, for example, pretty much closes them ALL over the phone at an average of $1500 per client, and just leaves the idea of appointments open as an option if the prospect insists.

    You can close a $299 deal over the phone fairly easily, but any more than that might require an appointment, unless you are using a telemarketer who just transfers closes to you... thats a different dynamic, and a whole different subject.

    I dont print out templates personally, but you COULD. You dont even have to mention templates, because you will get so much customizing info when you go through the clients wish list with them, that by the time you are done the templates arent even recognizable any more and they are truly redesigned. Once you get comfortable with your web program you wont use templates most of the time...thats one cool part, the creativity. Its easy once you get the hang of it.

    However I have read that alot of people have success by introducing a myriad of templates in the appointment and letting them pick and choose. Its just not how I usually do it.

    I am putting out a free audio tonight on how to set 3-4 appointments in 2 hours per day.



    2) Do you create all of the content yourself or simply get your client to provide you with the content?

    I usually get the basic info and tell them I will write the content around their keywords usually no more than a couple of paragraphs. The content needs to do one thing only:"catch their interest, and drive them straight to the to the contact form"! Thats my usp, I want to get your visitor to the contact form, do not pass go. Lean mean and results driven.

    3) Do you request payment upfront, half payment until work is completed or payment upon completion? Also do they pay you directly into your paypal with their credit or debit card?

    Usually I will get the whole payment upfront, but be flexible, because you CAN... thats the beauty of being independent.

    NEVER walk out without some kind of check... if all you get is $100 to register their domain and set up one page. You have to remember that as soon as they hand you money something magical has taken place; You have become officially "Their web guy"... You have taken them off the market. From now on whenever they get called by a salesman their answer will be "I already have a web guy I work with"... as soon as they have any kind of vested interest in you, then you become the go to guy for all of their web needs. If you cant get the whole deal, at least lock them down as your client somehow.


    Some pay by credit card by phone, but in an appointment they usually write a check. You can set up a merchant processing solution at authorize.net though mine is through our bank for recurring payments. Usually I will take a check and collect recurring payments via electronic bank draft.

    Its better than a credit card, because credit cards expire.

    If you dont have a merchant solution yet, dont let that stop you from starting, just take a check and give them the first 60 days hosting free, that will give you time and money to hook up some processing solutions.

    4) How do you charge your customers for the hosting do you get them to sign up to a subscription and pay you via paypal or does the reseller package have the built in capabilities to handle all of this for you?

    Oops, answer above.
    However YES!!! Homestead does also offer merchant processing solutions for you and there is only like a $5.00 set up fee if I remember correctly.


    5) What do you give to your clients after you have successfully created their site, like email address logins and other such details?

    Yes, you send them a confirmation email with all kinds of pertinent info... you dont have to call them necessarily, because you told them in the meeting that you would be emailing a link and informed them to look out for your email correspondence, but if they are spending significant money, invite them to call YOU anytime if they need to... also offer customer service via email. usually after the first meeting no more are required its either email or phone CS.


    Trust me, if they have a concern they will contact you.
    They understand that calls are welcome but your preferred method is email because you cant afford to spend all day on the phone, anymore than they can. Most people appreciate email as much as you do.


    Hope this helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author danemorgan
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I dont print out templates personally, but you COULD. You dont even have to mention templates, because you will get so much customizing info when you go through the clients wish list with them, that by the time you are done the templates arent even recognizable any more and they are truly redesigned. Once you get comfortable with your web program you wont use templates most of the time...thats one cool part, the creativity. Its easy once you get the hang of it.
      This is an important point.

      To some extent EVERYTHING is borrowed one way or another. The overwhelming majority of "custom" WordPress themes start as a free or possibly paid "developers license" theme that has the basic structure of the code and are then modified to the point that few if any would be able to tell, and then only by looking at the code itelf, not the page on the screen.

      More advanced developers, ahemmm, have tool kits they work from. These tool kits have snippets (and even whole pages) of code that they've collected over time that they plug in as needed. Most of them also have a couple of "frameworks" to provide structure for the snippets.

      Thing is, where do you think 90% of this code came from? Right, they saw something cool, and they borrowed it, then they altered it to suit their needs. It was useful and it went into the kit.

      Smart coders DO NOT sit down with a blank screen and start typing until they have a complete website. That is INSANE, I know, I've actually done it a couple of times way back in the early 90's. It's slow, it's painful and it's error prone. It's also a horrible way to build a business.

      If a template, theme, whatever is available, that is close to what you want, whether you are dragging and dropping or writing and plugging, starting from somewhere is always better than starting from nowhere.

      "talent borrows, genius steals" ~ pablo Picasso
      "Good writers borrow. Great writers steal." ~ Oscar Wilde
      "The Mediocre borrow. Genius steals." ~ George Bernard Shaw

      None of these men were talking about plagerism.
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      • Profile picture of the author want2knowhow
        Originally Posted by danemorgan View Post

        This is an important point.

        To some extent EVERYTHING is borrowed one way or another. The overwhelming majority of "custom" WordPress themes start as a free or possibly paid "developers license" theme that has the basic structure of the code and are then modified to the point that few if any would be able to tell, and then only by looking at the code itelf, not the page on the screen.

        More advanced developers, ahemmm, have tool kits they work from. These tool kits have snippets (and even whole pages) of code that they've collected over time that they plug in as needed. Most of them also have a couple of "frameworks" to provide structure for the snippets.

        Thing is, where do you think 90% of this code came from? Right, they saw something cool, and they borrowed it, then they altered it to suit their needs. It was useful and it went into the kit.

        Smart coders DO NOT sit down with a blank screen and start typing until they have a complete website. That is INSANE, I know, I've actually done it a couple of times way back in the early 90's. It's slow, it's painful and it's error prone. It's also a horrible way to build a business.

        If a template, theme, whatever is available, that is close to what you want, whether you are dragging and dropping or writing and plugging, starting from somewhere is always better than starting from nowhere.

        "talent borrows, genius steals" ~ pablo Picasso
        "Good writers borrow. Great writers steal." ~ Oscar Wilde
        "The Mediocre borrow. Genius steals." ~ George Bernard Shaw

        None of these men were talking about plagerism.
        BRAVO!! BRAVO!! Beautifully written! Beautifully written! Thank You!
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      • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
        "talent borrows, genius steals" ~ pablo Picasso
        "Good writers borrow. Great writers steal." ~ Oscar Wilde
        "The Mediocre borrow. Genius steals." ~ George Bernard Shaw

        None of these men were talking about plagerism.

        Tried to "thank you" but the button was nowhere to be found.

        Well, John and everybody else, took the plunge today and signed up for homestead.com They guy that I spoke to was Connor and I asked him if he was aware of the warrior forum and/or this thread. He had no clue so I told him how to find it. I know John doesn't get a penny for this but the least I can do is to give credit where credit is due.

        Karma can be a "b**tch" but as far as John goes, be helping newbies, he has a special happy, prosperous and joyful space reserved for him for eternity. Wow, did I go overboard now, lol.

        Anyhow, I got an appointment with somebody on Thursday and I will suck up the confidence that John has given me and just "go for it".

        Thank you John
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
    Thankyou so much john I am going to start this tomorrow and I will definitely keep you posted, still can't believe you have actually told me so much valuable information for free.
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      • Hi John

        Just figured out why we seem to "think alike" when it comes to offline.

        We also used to refer to it as "hybrid"...LOL

        We changed about 12 months ago when it seemed to find its own terminology.

        Regards

        Bronwyn and Keith

        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Glad to help. I owe it to the forum. This place has been my greatest asset in 11 years... just returning the favor, and so nice now that there is a section that applies to my particular area, and other off liners.

        Before they called it "offline marketing" ... I used to think of it as "hybrid"... not quite "IM" but not quite "brick and morter".

        Now we have a term for it, and a section to discuss it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
    Hi John, just a quick question about the audio you said you were putting up. Where will it be and is it downloadable?

    Many thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
        Hi John, I don't really know anyone on here yet although I'm sure that after a few months I will get to know a lot of people.

        Can't wait for the audio and I am so excited to actually get started. Over here in the Uk would you recommend charging £199 or the equivilant of $199 in GBP?
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  • Profile picture of the author NeilPM
    Thank you for this John! I am 17 but have abit of experience on building websites and can create decent designs on PS however my problem is my age, how I can engage with them and how I can convince them.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Here's a good one that got locked which could help you out alot with the sales part:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...il-way-do.html

    It's read only now.

    @New Guy. Its easy to get to know people here...just jump in wherever you can. The OT section is a good place to make friends too.

    @Niel 17 is a great age to start. You may even JV with a friend if you dont like sales and split the profit.

    Its not about convincing as much as packaging what you offer and introducing it to people.
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  • Profile picture of the author SubUrbanHype
    Does homestead offer a reseller program for $20 a month that offers the unlimited domains because I called and spoke to them and they quoted me for $50 a month for unlimited domains.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by NEW-GUY View Post

      Thankyou so much john I am going to start this tomorrow and I will definitely keep you posted, still can't believe you have actually told me so much valuable information for free.
      Glad to help. I owe it to the forum. This place has been my greatest asset in 11 years... just returning the favor, and so nice now that there is a section that applies to my particular area, and other off liners.

      Before they called it "offline marketing" ... I used to think of it as "hybrid"... not quite "IM" but not quite "brick and morter".

      Now we have a term for it, and a section to discuss it!

      Originally Posted by NEW-GUY View Post

      Hi John, just a quick question about the audio you said you were putting up. Where will it be and is it downloadable?

      Many thanks.
      Working on setting up the dl page now with Darren from High Impact Marketing. You may know him better from Graphics Genie. He's the guy I turn to when I dont know how to do something. Awesome person to work with.

      Originally Posted by SubUrbanHype View Post

      Does homestead offer a reseller program for $20 a month that offers the unlimited domains because I called and spoke to them and they quoted me for $50 a month for unlimited domains.
      If thats true thats awesome news! last time I spoke with my rep was a couple of months back, maybe 3...I have the "Business" package, and it costs 2.00 per month per domain.

      Unlimited domains for 50 bucks is awesome though! I need to call my rep back! You may have misunderstood your rep though... the biz package starts out at $19.00 and you can add as many domains as you want... just adds 2 bucks per month each new client you take on.

      I dont know how it would make sense for them to do that, but I'll call and find out thats for sure.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sardent
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        If thats true thats awesome news! last time I spoke with my rep was a couple of months back, maybe 3...I have the "Business" package, and it costs 2.00 per month per domain.

        Unlimited domains for 50 bucks is awesome though! I need to call my rep back! You may have misunderstood your rep though... the biz package starts out at $19.00 and you can add as many domains as you want... just adds 2 bucks per month each new client you take on.

        I dont know how it would make sense for them to do that, but I'll call and find out thats for sure.
        Yep.

        They call it the BusinessPlus account.
        Also includes some analytics and traffic aids.
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      • Profile picture of the author Randy Miller
        Hello John,

        I can't thank you enough for starting this post and sharing all your tips with us.

        John I hope that you won't mind, but I've created a pdf of what for me are the highlights of this thread that you and many others have contributed to.

        I'm going to add the link here and if you prefer that I take it done just let me know and I will do so.

        Happy New Year!

        Randy
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      • Profile picture of the author benmuijaz
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        If thats true thats awesome news! last time I spoke with my rep was a couple of months back, maybe 3...I have the "Business" package, and it costs 2.00 per month per domain.

        Unlimited domains for 50 bucks is awesome though! I need to call my rep back! You may have misunderstood your rep though... the biz package starts out at $19.00 and you can add as many domains as you want... just adds 2 bucks per month each new client you take on.

        I dont know how it would make sense for them to do that, but I'll call and find out thats for sure.


        Hey John,

        Just spoke with Homestead. The $49.99 package is for unlimited sites, but up to 3 personalized domain.

        When you get the information, please let me know. Thanks,

        BM
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by benmuijaz View Post

          Hey John,

          Just spoke with Homestead. The $49.99 package is for unlimited sites, but up to 3 personalized domain.

          When you get the information, please let me know. Thanks,

          BM
          Plus you can add personalized domains for 5 bucks per registration (Bonus), and 2 dollars per month per domain. I figured by the time you got a few sites on the 19.99 you would be up to $49. anyway... so might as well build up to it at first instead of paying for something you arent using yet... that was always my take.
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          • Profile picture of the author Serendipitous
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            Plus you can add personalized domains for 5 bucks per registration (Bonus), and 2 dollars per month per domain. I figured by the time you got a few sites on the 19.99 you would be up to $49. anyway... so might as well build up to it at first instead of paying for something you arent using yet... that was always my take.
            Hi John,

            So what you're saying is:

            - Start with the $4.99 Starter package.
            - Sell your first site.
            - Upgrade (for free (for 30 days)) to the $19.99 Business package.
            - Sell two more sites.
            - Upgrade to the $49.99 Business Plus package.


            Is this right?

            If so, do you need to spend $5.00 to buy a domain name in the starter package? Or do you just upgrade when you make the sale?

            But if all of these packages are free for 30 days, why not just start with the Business Plus package and downgrade at the end of the 30 days if you need to?

            Just trying to figure this out...

            ~S
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      • Profile picture of the author desgreen
        John
        Thanks for the expert help. But one thing that I cant seem to understand find where can I found a website like homestead where I can design the webpages but host them on my own server at hostgator
        cheers
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    • Hi

      Wow thats a great little resellers pack.

      Even if you only managed to get one customer a week for 50 weeks you would have them costing you $1 a month by the end of the year and the upside is $$$$.

      Plus next years $$$$ are already forward planned.

      Cool.

      Regards

      Bronwyn and Keith
      Originally Posted by SubUrbanHype View Post

      Does homestead offer a reseller program for $20 a month that offers the unlimited domains because I called and spoke to them and they quoted me for $50 a month for unlimited domains.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
          Hey John,Ste here. Just a quick question, I am going to start calling local businesses any day now and would like to know whether there is a specific category I should start with or should I just work through from A.
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          • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
            Originally Posted by NEW-GUY View Post

            Hey John,Ste here. Just a quick question, I am going to start calling local businesses any day now and would like to know whether there is a specific category I should start with or should I just work through from A.
            Service type businesses such as...

            -Plumbers
            -Painters
            -Electricans
            -Carpet Cleaners
            -Window Cleaners
            -HVAC Repair
            -Handymen
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      • Profile picture of the author MikePatton
        Awesome reseller package... worth it!
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        • Profile picture of the author Pauli7143
          John,

          Thank you so much for simplifying this process....I have been struggling with how to get 10-15 clients paying $500-$1800/month(average $1200/month) for total web presence with lead capture, video, SEO, email marketing, the whole 9 yards or at least 6 or 7 yards lol....

          With your process, I could get people in the pipeline easier at a lower price point...then up sell later when they realize just having a website is not going to be enough to compete for very competitive keywords.

          Thanks again

          Pauli
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by Pauli7143 View Post

            John,

            Thank you so much for simplifying this process....I have been struggling with how to get 10-15 clients paying $500-$1800/month(average $1200/month) for total web presence with lead capture, video, SEO, email marketing, the whole 9 yards or at least 6 or 7 yards lol....

            With your process, I could get people in the pipeline easier at a lower price point...then up sell later when they realize just having a website is not going to be enough to compete for very competitive keywords.

            Thanks again

            Pauli
            Pauli, very few (if any) people start off in the web development/consulting business charging such high prices (average of $1200/month). Start small, gain confidence, experience and credibility (it won't take long at all), and then go after the bigger jobs once you've gotten your feet wet with these small jobs. At the $1200/month price point that you mentioned, you had better have all your ducks in a row.

            This is a learning process, and you have to start somewhere. Start taking action now, and in a few months you'll get there. It's unrealistic to start off offering full-blown services like what you mention without gaining some experience first.

            Paul
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            • Profile picture of the author Deidra Renee
              what all would we have to put on the website? Would we need to get info about the company and think of a lot of content to put on it..or is it basically like listing their products and services? and after that do we tell them to maintain it themselves..or that is probably what the monthly fee is for..for us to maintain it? sorry if the questions were asked..this thread is pretty long and its 2:30am here lol But this is amazing that you are giving this info out for free..a lot of WSO's don't have this much info and charge an average of $37!
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    • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
      Originally Posted by SubUrbanHype View Post

      Does homestead offer a reseller program for $20 a month that offers the unlimited domains because I called and spoke to them and they quoted me for $50 a month for unlimited domains.
      Hostgator Does... I think it's $25 per month... But no big deal.

      Hostgator also has a bunch of Website Templates ready to go in your CPANEL
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by NeilPM View Post

        John,

        I'm actually going to do this, I've thought of this before but planned to design it on PS/Dreamweaver myself and just find a host but this is such a better idea, however can my "clients" access the admin page of their websites (if there's any) and be able to add/edit something if in case they can't contact me?

        Everytime I don't have classes (doing electrical engineering) I'm out for job hunting and I've literally applied for like 5 jobs already and got to the interview point but never got the job since they're all looking for a fulltimer . But after reading this, I feel like I can really do it, the only thing I'm scared of is talking to people about it but anyways, I'm excited!

        Thanks for this again John!

        -Neil

        EDIT: John, how do I get the quotes/pricing? I live in the UK.
        Hey Niel. Yeah this is easier than WP and Yes I did ask them once about how to give clients access to their admin page and stats...but honestly thats never been a part of my pitch so I have never had to do it... The best way is to just set up google analytics on each page of their site and allow them to access their stats that way. Its as easy as creating a pay pal button.

        I meant to call them today and got swamped. But yes, I clearly remember their rep telling me how to do that a few months back and forgot his instructions to be quite frank, if I get time I'll call in this afternoon. Still kinda swamped at the moment.

        Originally Posted by SubUrbanHype View Post

        I may have just misinterpreted the rep because he told me it is $50 a month plus $5 registration fee for the domain you register an additional $2 a month per domain you take on for hosting. That might be the same as the $20 package you spoke of before but the rep made it sound like you can only recieve that by having the business package for $50 a month which was probably an attempt to upsell me.
        Yeah I kinda figured it was something like that. Cant blame a guy for trying to upsell, he probably gets paid on commission. dang if I would have had an affiliate link I could have probably made a couple of gramd on this post myself, but that truly wasnt the intention! I think the $50 package may come wirth a couple more free domains... but not unlimited. The $20 package is a better choice for starting out... you will reach $50 within 10 clients or so anyway! No need to rush it! lol

        Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

        Hostgator Does... I think it's $25 per month... But no big deal.

        Hostgator also has a bunch of Website Templates ready to go in your CPANEL
        Actually Though Luis, homestead, if you are a newby is about 100 times simpler than hostgator, because you can manipulate the entire page, there arent any objects that are fixed, or that you are stuck with...

        You can literally cut and paste everything.

        Also, with host gator you have to know things like how to assign bandwidth to each site and different things like that... they assume that newby's actually know more than they do.

        Honestly I find wp and hostgator both to be rather presumptuous in thinking they are all that newby friendly by comparison. Never assume.

        This is way different and way easier... its also way easier than wp.

        Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

        Appreciate that Louie!

        It was my TMer that got it. It was for a free one page design, but the hosting is locked up for 6 months.

        On the road to riches...
        Many ways to skin a cat Adam.... Give 100 people a free web page at $49 per month, and there you go Bud, you have a fulltime residual income.

        Its way easier to get there giving pages away than selling them even! A couple of untrained TM's could do that in a month easy, even if they under perform.

        Always good to create your model so that if everyone performed like the very lowest producer in the chain and only met the minimum quota and nothing else, you could still succeed and meet your goal. I have always called it "expectations management" for lack of a better term. Its one reason my rooms have been so successful in creating millions of dollars in revenue.

        Originally Posted by NEW-GUY View Post

        I will second that.

        @ADukes81 Thanks for the list mate.

        John would you recommend creating a web design website of your own and giving people the url or do you do it without?
        Depends on your biz model New Guy. If you are creating a directory site, their own url isnt necessary, but in most cases of selling a 3-5 page site, they will want their own domain to promote and brand themselves. Its really easy , doesnt require any more effort either way, just cost an extra 2 bucks per month...which is wayyyy paid for by their monthly hosting.

        Originally Posted by NEW-GUY View Post

        Great tip by the way do you use aweber or is there a free autoresponder?

        Also do you use the cold calling tactic? How well does it work for you and do you have your own web design site?
        Yes every homestead site you build comes with free email accounts for that domain, complete with auto responders, and also contact address books... optin forms are easy to build in the homestead program without any html or programming knowledge whatsoever.

        Everything is built as if they assume you are a complete beginner, and even though the options are very advanced, the implementation is so basic a ten year old can do it, from adding shopping carts (readily available) to making thumbnail photo galleries... installing videos or other media... its all there, rss feeds... Its in there.

        Every site I make has a form on it, thats vital to ANY site if you ask me... this is , if you arent using aweber or anything... you can easily set up a newsletter using the tools that come with their site.

        Originally Posted by NEW-GUY View Post

        Hey John,Ste here. Just a quick question, I am going to start calling local businesses any day now and would like to know whether there is a specific category I should start with or should I just work through from A.
        Steve I would start with service oriented businesses... its easier to convince them of how a site can work for them because its as simple as a customer filling out a form... as opposed to explaining the whole data base driven schpiel... you get to talking like that it starts going over their heads alot of time..., and business men never make decisions when they are scratching their head. Thats when you get the infamous "Let me think about this for a few days and get back to you".

        Its easier to explain that "its just a simple form on each page with simple direct copy that drives the visitor straight to the form.... thats what you want right BOB?" lol

        Bobs like "Yeah exactly, thats all I want".

        Tell your customer if they give you the same email fwding address they use on their cell phones that you can have their site send them an alert everytime someone fills it out (they love that one too).

        I cant tell you a specific niche, other than service oriented is easier than product oriented because honestly once you get your momentum in any given niche it all works about the same.

        I would suggest however that you start by calling a list with a variety of niches, then when you get a sale or appointment in one, you will naturally feel more confident about that niche...so go straight to that niche afterward, and with each call you will get better at talking to that niche as you build momentum with it.

        Originally Posted by 3MinuteVideos View Post

        Hey John, do me a favor then...

        Please put your Affiliate link in this Thread for me (if for no one else). My plan is to look at moving forward with this. I would frankly be very happy to give credit where credit is due (and maybe others would like to do the same). It's my way of saying 'Thank You' for creating and contributing so much to this Thread.

        Looking forward to seeing your link in one of your next posts here.

        Wes ~
        Thanks Wes, thats awesome of you!!!!

        I dont think they would allow that on the WF, but let me see if I can find my link and PM it to you! Very considerate of you man. Thanks!
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Connell
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          I dont think they would allow that on the WF, but let me see if I can find my link and PM it to you! Very considerate of you man. Thanks!

          This thread started just as I was looking for stuff about marketing offline. I have got loads of ideas now and can't wait to get going.

          Please PM your aff link too, my small contribution to say 'thanks'.

          Great information - and all for FREE!!!

          Thank you for giving me the confidence to get this up and running.

          Karen
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        • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
          Many ways to skin a cat Adam.... Give 100 people a free web page at $49 per month, and there you go Bud, you have a fulltime residual income.

          Wow, never even thought about it that way! Hmmm....
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    • Profile picture of the author wbinst2
      This is a great idea for newbies.

      Heres the Homestead link:

      Web Hosting Software Packages For Your Website | Homestead

      I wonder how it would work for Australian domains? (.com.au)
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    • Profile picture of the author mattbaehr
      John -

      Well said. If folks don't want to pay monthly, simply get an affiliate account with a host and have them go through you to get their hosting.

      The other way I find clients is simply driving. Look around and see how many work trucks don't have a website listed. Google them and when nothing shows up, give them a call. I have had huge success with that.
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    • Profile picture of the author abo28
      Awesome post! One quick question...

      Are you sure that Homestead has a reseller option? I cannot see it. I noticed the $19 business package, but it doesn't seem to be for those who want to resell web hosting.

      Bogdan
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      • Profile picture of the author CPA_OFFICER
        Great post!
        I was wondering if any of you have used the Flash templates available. I'm wondering if it would be harder to get websites built on flash to rank on Google?

        Phil,
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        • Profile picture of the author paulie888
          Originally Posted by CPA_OFFICER View Post

          Great post!
          I was wondering if any of you have used the Flash templates available. I'm wondering if it would be harder to get websites built on flash to rank on Google?

          Phil,
          Flash is so retro now..LOL. Using flash on websites is complicated (especially to customize) and typically makes it far more difficult to get them ranked, as there is far less actual text involved (that a search engine spider can read). You're going to have to get very comfortable with html if you want to optimize a flash website. I'd make every effort possible to stay away from flash websites, if I were you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
    John, thank you. This is as actionable of a plan for the newbie as I've seen on the WF. It's beautiful in its simplicity from start to check in hand.

    Here's the thing folks. We've gotta hit singles before we hit home runs and grand slams. I know an additional $500 a week would mean a great deal to my family and probably the majority on here, many of whom are lurking only, wishing. Selling that first site for $200 or $300 or whatever is the single most important step that pushes one from dreamer to in the game. It is the entrepreneurial birth that must preceded growth; growth in any direction of offline marketing we choose.

    Personally, I've got more time than dollars, so I'm going to learn Homesteads SiteBuilder tool and build a site for one of my existing businesses. From there, I will build a couple for friends of mine for FREE (a mover and a barber). NOW I have a portfolio to refer to if needed and I have my Skype (the jawbone).

    My last job was as a recruiter. It was completely foreign to me. It was cold calling all day, everyday. I thought I would hate it, but I did not. 99.9% of the people treated me in kind with how I treated them, kindly and with respect. I made sales and that gave me the confidence to know I could do it again. I knew there was a reason God had me in that job.

    John, in closing, a heartfelt thank you to you for starting this topic. Let's encourage one another and share our successes.
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    • Profile picture of the author c0ppertantrum
      Originally Posted by Huskerdarren View Post

      John, thank you. This is as actionable of a plan for the newbie as I've seen on the WF. It's beautiful in its simplicity from start to check in hand.

      Here's the thing folks. We've gotta hit singles before we hit home runs and grand slams. I know an additional $500 a week would mean a great deal to my family and probably the majority on here, many of whom are lurking only, wishing. Selling that first site for $200 or $300 or whatever is the single most important step that pushes one from dreamer to in the game. It is the entrepreneurial birth that must preceded growth; growth in any direction of offline marketing we choose.

      Personally, I've got more time than dollars, so I'm going to learn Homesteads SiteBuilder tool and build a site for one of my existing businesses. From there, I will build a couple for friends of mine for FREE (a mover and a barber). NOW I have a portfolio to refer to if needed and I have my Skype (the jawbone).

      My last job was as a recruiter. It was completely foreign to me. It was cold calling all day, everyday. I thought I would hate it, but I did not. 99.9% of the people treated me in kind with how I treated them, kindly and with respect. I made sales and that gave me the confidence to know I could do it again. I knew there was a reason God had me in that job.

      John, in closing, a heartfelt thank you to you for starting this topic. Let's encourage one another and share our successes.
      I'm a previous Recruiter too- I know I have the sales/ admin skills necessary to get this 'job' done - How many times did your boss say:
      "Here's this new software, figure it out and use it." Ha! Many times for me. Good Luck, Husker. I know you can do it!
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  • Profile picture of the author NeilPM
    John,

    I'm actually going to do this, I've thought of this before but planned to design it on PS/Dreamweaver myself and just find a host but this is such a better idea, however can my "clients" access the admin page of their websites (if there's any) and be able to add/edit something if in case they can't contact me?

    Everytime I don't have classes (doing electrical engineering) I'm out for job hunting and I've literally applied for like 5 jobs already and got to the interview point but never got the job since they're all looking for a fulltimer . But after reading this, I feel like I can really do it, the only thing I'm scared of is talking to people about it but anyways, I'm excited!

    Thanks for this again John!

    -Neil

    EDIT: John, how do I get the quotes/pricing? I live in the UK.
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    • Profile picture of the author AubreyWebWhiz
      Hey John,

      This post is very informative! Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by AubreyWebWhiz View Post

        Hey John,

        This post is very informative! Thanks!
        No El-Problem-O!

        Todays encouraging success report. They just keep comin!!!!!!

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        Originally Posted by Owen Mailer View Post

        Thanks paulie, I just hope beginners find it.

        Also I ment to say.. if u struggle at all with the eBook the videos will be out soon!! and im always available on the warrior forum to help.
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        Thanks Owen for the AWESOME contribution!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author werna klue
      Originally Posted by NeilPM View Post

      John,

      I'm actually going to do this, I've thought of this before but planned to design it on PS/Dreamweaver myself and just find a host but this is such a better idea, however can my "clients" access the admin page of their websites (if there's any) and be able to add/edit something if in case they can't contact me?
      Hi John

      Thank you so much for providing us with this valuable content. I had the same idea as Neil and have created some sites using kompozer as examples for business owners.

      Now the big BUT -- I have not come this far to actually sell any sites etc, mainly because transfering all the files is one step above my skills

      If I understood correctly with homestead we can build the sites,host it,have unlimited domains if you take the $50 package and no need for any transfers etc? If this is the case I am off to a great start cause I have some interested clients already.

      I also want to know if people want to change there sites, do you do this or is there any option for them to have access to the admin(cpanel)?
      Once we have many clients it might be difficult to keep up with everyone if they want changes.

      Cheers
      Werna
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      • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
        Originally Posted by werna klue View Post

        Hi John

        Thank you so much for providing us with this valuable content. I had the same idea as Neil and have created some sites using kompozer as examples for business owners.

        Now the big BUT -- I have not come this far to actually sell any sites etc, mainly because transfering all the files is one step above my skills

        If I understood correctly with homestead we can build the sites,host it,have unlimited domains if you take the $50 package and no need for any transfers etc? If this is the case I am off to a great start cause I have some interested clients already.

        I also want to know if people want to change there sites, do you do this or is there any option for them to have access to the admin(cpanel)?
        Once we have many clients it might be difficult to keep up with everyone if they want changes.

        Cheers
        Werna
        It can be difficult.... and that is the reason I suggest the reseller account. On another related note... SEO seems to be easier on top level domains.

        With a reseller account each person can have access to thier own top level domain Cpanel.

        But really... that is putting the cart before the horse.

        You can build some sites, make some money, get enough residual income coming from the website hosting to pay for the reseller account.

        Bamn... Done.
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        • Profile picture of the author chika138
          Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

          It can be difficult.... and that is the reason I suggest the reseller account. On another related note... SEO seems to be easier on top level domains.

          With a reseller account each person can have access to thier own top level domain Cpanel.

          But really... that is putting the cart before the horse.

          You can build some sites, make some money, get enough residual income coming from the website hosting to pay for the reseller account.

          Bamn... Done.
          Hmmm I know it's cheaper and better using Hostgator reseller hosting but I do have some doubt about Homestead's. Does Homestead have something similar to Hostgator reseller hosting account ie individual cpanel accounts and email accounts for every single client?
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          • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
            Originally Posted by chika138 View Post

            Hmmm I know it's cheaper and better using Hostgator reseller hosting but I do have some doubt about Homestead's. Does Homestead have something similar to Hostgator reseller hosting account ie individual cpanel accounts and email accounts for every single client?
            I absolutely agree....

            I am not a big fan of Homestead myself. Just my honest opinion. I used them when I had NO CLUE about web design. They are good for that purpose. If you are familiar with hostgator. I would recommend you take your sites there.

            Just sayin.
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    • Profile picture of the author macalixter
      Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!!

      Your advice worth much more than some WSOs....

      Thank you man!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author spigven
        Well I wouldn't be too keen to give it a go.

        Even junior school children know about free resources to build a web presence: free hosting, templates, WYSIWIG html editors etc.

        So how come there are a multitude of idiotic business owners out there just waiting to be picked off ?

        If they are so idiotic how did they manage to build an offline business in the first place ?
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisnotes
      Sorry for a newb question here, but if you are building all of these websites for different businesses and also managing the hosting and accounts, how are the individual email accounts handled? How does your client access them? Also, what about cases of paypal for your clients site? Basically, how is all the back end stuff handled? I know I can build the sites because I am driven. I'm just a bit confused since I'm still learning.
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      • Profile picture of the author Deidra Renee
        Originally Posted by chrisnotes View Post

        Sorry for a newb question here, but if you are building all of these websites for different businesses and also managing the hosting and accounts, how are the individual email accounts handled? How does your client access them? Also, what about cases of paypal for your clients site? Basically, how is all the back end stuff handled? I know I can build the sites because I am driven. I'm just a bit confused since I'm still learning.
        You have access to their Cpanel info so you can just create the email account for them. I haven't picked around the homestead site I'm building right now that much so I don't know it they have yoursite.com/webmail to access email accounts (my other site does) if that is the case you can just let the client know where to go on the web to access their email and give them the user name and password. And don't think too much about the situation..just go do it and you can always come back and ask questions later..If a client asks me to do something that I know can be done but I'm not sure how to do it, I'll just give them a delayed turnaround time, come here and ask questions, and implement it...but I will go get clients FIRST and learn SECOND!! lol
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      • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
        John has probably put out the most essential spirit of The Warrior Forum post I have even seen, even from a Senior Warrior member.

        I sometimes go to the "old forum" to see what it was like.

        I wish more Warriors, Seniors included, was as transparent, honest and ego-less as this post was.

        With post like that, I still wish they had the "Buy me a Beer" button, that post was the most forthcoming I have ever seen since being here, definitely worth more than a $1.00 , but I would tip a buck for a post like that, I can't recall a post so honest and transparent since being here.

        I am not even interested in this, but its presentation is beyond humble.

        With post like that, I would be happy to STFU and not post so much because of useful, pragmatic and real world post like that would be posted more often. I would'nt want to post up and take up space with drivel when more posts like THIS is cranking out.

        This post shows , to me, you are truly The Last of the Warrior Forum Soldiers of Old.

        Not trying to be "the go-to guy" or "expert" or "pied piper of your knowledge and greatness", just plain old honesty and actually what is real.

        Goddamn that was good stuff.

        Thanks, John Durham, for a peek and taste of the old true Warrior Forum spirit, we may never get a glimpse LIKE THAT , again, or at least, a loooooooooooong, l-o-n-g time, in my opinion anyway.

        Post like that make you THE MAN, because I have seen other posts after this of yours and the spirit remains the same.

        Forget the thanks, bring back "BUY ME A BEER" button, at least, for THIS post.


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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior View Post

          John has probably put out the most essential spirit of The Warrior Forum post I have even seen, even from a Senior Warrior member.

          I sometimes go to the "old forum" to see what it was like.

          I wish more Warriors, Seniors included, was as transparent, honest and ego-less as this post was.

          With post like that, I still wish they had the "Buy me a Beer" button, that post was the most forthcoming I have ever seen since being here, definitely worth more than a $1.00 , but I would tip a buck for a post like that, I can't recall a post so honest and transparent since being here.

          I am not even interested in this, but its presentation is beyond humble.

          With post like that, I would be happy to STFU and not post so much because of useful, pragmatic and real world post like that would be posted more often. I would'nt want to post up and take up space with drivel when more posts like THIS is cranking out.

          This post shows , to me, you are truly The Last of the Warrior Forum Soldiers of Old.

          Not trying to be "the go-to guy" or "expert" or "pied piper of your knowledge and greatness", just plain old honesty and actually what is real.

          Goddamn that was good stuff.

          Thanks, John Durham, for a peek and taste of the old true Warrior Forum spirit, we may never get a glimpse LIKE THAT , again, or at least, a loooooooooooong, l-o-n-g time, in my opinion anyway.

          Post like that make you THE MAN, because I have seen other posts after this of yours and the spirit remains the same.

          Forget the thanks, bring back "BUY ME A BEER" button, at least, for THIS post.


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          Wow dude, this is the greatest compliment I have ever received. Truly to be called a warrior at the Warrior forum is a cool thing. Why? Because the Warriors are the most brilliant internet marketing minds in the world. Truly "on the planet", as in "for real". To be "anything" here is an honor. Even to make it past 200 posts and be hyperactive!
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  • I've got to ask...since I've spend a significant amount of time over the past few years learning...what about wordpress.

    I guess this is just an alternative to a wp site that is easier for a newb to get rolling?

    I just signed up a client last week to build a couple of site for, was going to use a wp theme for small businesses, but I might just go use this program and give it a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author SubUrbanHype
    I may have just misinterpreted the rep because he told me it is $50 a month plus $5 registration fee for the domain you register an additional $2 a month per domain you take on for hosting. That might be the same as the $20 package you spoke of before but the rep made it sound like you can only recieve that by having the business package for $50 a month which was probably an attempt to upsell me.
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    • Profile picture of the author 3MinuteVideos
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      "... dang if I would have had an affiliate link I could have probably made a couple of gramd on this post myself, but that truly wasnt the intention! I think the $50 package may come wirth a couple more free domains... but not unlimited. The $20 package is a better choice for starting out... you will reach $50 within 10 clients or so anyway! No need to rush it! lol
      Hey John, do me a favor then...

      Please put your Affiliate link in this Thread for me (if for no one else). My plan is to look at moving forward with this. I would frankly be very happy to give credit where credit is due (and maybe others would like to do the same). It's my way of saying 'Thank You' for creating and contributing so much to this Thread.

      Looking forward to seeing your link in one of your next posts here.

      Wes ~
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
        Originally Posted by 3MinuteVideos View Post

        Hey John, do me a favor then...

        Please put your Affiliate link in this Thread for me (if for no one else). My plan is to look at moving forward with this. I would frankly be very happy to give credit where credit is due (and maybe others would like to do the same). It's my way of saying 'Thank You' for creating and contributing so much to this Thread.

        Looking forward to seeing your link in one of your next posts here.

        Wes ~
        I will second that.

        @ADukes81 Thanks for the list mate.

        John would you recommend creating a web design website of your own and giving people the url or do you do it without?
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    Hey Adam... That list looks familiar....



    CONGRATULATIONS TO ADAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Got his first sale! After just doing it.... instead of just thinking about it.

    I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
      Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

      Hey Adam... That list looks familiar....



      CONGRATULATIONS TO ADAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


      Got his first sale! After just doing it.... instead of just thinking about it.

      I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Appreciate that Louie!

      It was my TMer that got it. It was for a free one page design, but the hosting is locked up for 6 months.

      On the road to riches...
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    That's right baby... If you can do it once... You can do it a THOUSAND TIMES.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clubland
    You know, if you play your cards right, you could also help the customer your building the site for with marketing their business.

    For example, anyone who visits the website, put a opt in form in.

    Then anyone who subscribes, gets like, a free hair cut. Then when times are slow, the customer can let you know if there any special offers on and send it to these subscribers.

    And you could charge for that, say $20 a month extra.

    Then your customer could advertise their website at their shop or on their van - for special offers - subscribe on our website.

    That alone would cut down on paper leaflets they pay for, etc.

    Eco-friendly me!

    Also, i have been doing this for years, and with the profit i make, i use it for my IMing.

    But, i don't use homestead, shame really, oh well. I suppose i had to do it the long and hard way, as always.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
      Originally Posted by Clubland View Post

      You know, if you play your cards right, you could also help the customer your building the site for with marketing their business.

      For example, anyone who visits the website, put a opt in form in.

      Then anyone who subscribes, gets like, a free hair cut. Then when times are slow, the customer can let you know if there any special offers on and send it to these subscribers.

      And you could charge for that, say $20 a month extra.
      Great tip by the way do you use aweber or is there a free autoresponder?

      Also do you use the cold calling tactic? How well does it work for you and do you have your own web design site?
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      • Profile picture of the author Clubland
        Originally Posted by NEW-GUY View Post

        Great tip by the way do you use aweber or is there a free autoresponder?

        Also do you use the cold calling tactic? How well does it work for you and do you have your own web design site?
        I don't use aweber or autoresponse, or any like that.

        I use an autoresponder that you only pay yearly for and more than makes up for in money you make from your customers.

        I use rapidresponsebot.com, never had a problem with them.

        Also, i used cold calling at first. I hated every minute of it. I hate using the phone. Email, in person or text messaging, i am fine with though.

        But now, i get most of mine through word of mouth from my customers. Because i have a deal with them.

        The deal is, when the customer has been with me for 6 months, i put them on my list for recommendations scheme.

        For each person recommended by my customer, they get that many hosting free. So, if they recommend 4 people, they get 4 free.

        But, i have put a limit on it, upto 9 months only can be free. Because the three months they pay, covers me for the rest of the year. Also, i charge the original setup cost yearly. So, i make it up even more.
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    • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
      Originally Posted by Clubland View Post

      ... shame really, oh well. I suppose i had to do it the long and hard way, as always.
      You and me both....

      The hard way has always been my route.

      Just can't help it.

      But... The easy way.... Don't Think... Just Do.


      As far as webdesign goes... that is exactly what I do. I sell web design. Why?

      So I can have an established relationship with a client that I have already built an "onPage SEOed" website for. It makes my job easier. And it gives me a hot lead. I say hot, because they are already my customer.

      Easy Peasy.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
    @clubland

    Thanks for the info mate, I want to start calling tomorrow myself but dont have a website of my own is that going to be a problem?
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    • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
      Originally Posted by NEW-GUY View Post

      @clubland

      Thanks for the info mate, I want to start calling tomorrow myself but dont have a website of my own is that going to be a problem?

      Never have I had anyone ask me for my website.

      I have offered it... but never a single request.


      Really... if you want one... get one.... and I am sure it helped me when I didn't know it... because it does get a lot of traffic. But.... Do not wait to take action. Just start getting clients and if they ask...


      "I do have a site that is in redesign"

      What's your email address. When it goes live again. I will send you a link.

      Normally though... if they ask for a website. It's a blow off statement. Kind of like.. "do you have a card?"
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  • Profile picture of the author Clubland
    You know, i never had that problem.

    You should build your own site, and get it put up in google.

    Looks more professional.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clubland
    Also, if you ever get into email marketing for your customers.

    You must read "Million Dollar Emails" - Tonnes of great tips you can use for your customers.

    I forget the author....
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
    Thankyou Amir, also how do you ask for payments, do people just trust you with their card details? and then you input their info or what?

    Also if you have a basic call script I would be very greatful many thanks.

    May not reply tonight, going to get an early night in so I can be fresh for my day of calling tomorrow.

    Night all.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacquic
    Some pay by credit card by phone, but in an appointment they usually write a check. You can set up a merchant processing solution at authorize.net though mine is through our bank for recurring payments. Usually I will take a check and collect recurring payments via electronic bank draft.



    @New-Guy - remember in the UK we can set up standing orders; they are a simple option. There are forms on the Internet, or your bank can give you a pro forma. Make sure you get enough up front that if they back out, you will have covered your costs and time at the very least.


    Thank you for this John! I am 17 but have abit of experience on building websites and can create decent designs on PS however my problem is my age, how I can engage with them and how I can convince them.


    @Neil - 17? No matter, especially if you are doing this over the phone. Ask someone you know in business to take you along to a Chamber of Commerce meeting (or somesuch) to meet business ownrs. If you can do what they want, they won't be fussed about your age.

    My son is 17...and he is WAAY better at cold calling than I and many others are.
    As soon as his exams are over, I'll teach him the web building side of things (if he wishes), and I know he'll get business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    New GUY...


    I didn't realize you are across the pond.


    I do have a script. I also have suggesstions on using a prepaid autodialer. Makes it SOOO much easier to pound out 500 calls

    Add me on Skype if you want... I can help you along the way!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
      Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

      New GUY...


      I didn't realize you are across the pond.


      I do have a script. I also have suggesstions on using a prepaid autodialer. Makes it SOOO much easier to pound out 500 calls

      Add me on Skype if you want... I can help you along the way!
      Hey Luis, I have added you on skype happy to speak whenever you are free.

      Thanks,
      Ste.
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  • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
    John, great post and well worth a read. I'll admit, I read most of the first page and then felt like asking a question and did not read the second page, but here it goes anyway.

    As you have outlined, homestead seems like a good place to start. But may I ask, what do you think of Wordpress sites? They are quite easy to set up (a lot of domains offer instant set up through Fantastico, or whatever that software is called) and there are a lot of free themes as well. I Was thinking of using your idea, but implementing Wordpress sites instead (as I have used them before and it doesn't seem too bad for me to do). What are your thoughts?

    Further, when you set up a website for a business that says yes to your offer of $XX upfront and $XX per month, how do you go about doing all of that?

    I mean, who puts the content up? Do they provide you? Or do you make it general content, that you word yourself?

    Then more importantly, how do you actually handle the monthly payments? I mean, most people likely don't have PayPal set up, so what would you do in this case? I think it would be a lot of effort for them to manually pay you every month?

    I'll probably have some more questions later, but this is just for now!
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    I can field this one... why....

    Because this is what i do for a living now....

    You can get a PayPal Pro Merchant account free for 90days. Allows you the ability to accept payments from people without paypal.

    You can use CannyBill free for 30 days to handle invoices and recurring payments. Also has a great reporting system. So you can forecast sales, do projections, show every angle of your productivity. Also. If people cancel or do not pay... it sends out reminders and it will auto lock thier account.

    Another feature is it can give you a client log in for each account. So if your client wants to change thier billing info they can do it online.

    Also... it will work with your paypal account. You just get the API key from your paypal and enter into the backend of cannybill.

    Pretty impressive.

    As far as content and what not.... just get the info from them on the phone...


    What colors would you like?

    Whats your USP?

    What associations do you belong to?

    Blah Bllah Blah....

    Do you have any pictures you would like for us to include?

    You know the deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Nathan Alexander View Post

      ... let me play devil's advocate. If you did make a case, will these sites suffer even a bit in different areas like SEO, rankings, "impressiveness" (although for local small businesses like auto repair, floral shops etc. I doubt it, right?) or any other areas that those other folks could argue with?
      I didn't see anyone answer that for you, so I will. There's nothing to worry about SEO-wise. I have far more HTML sites than Wordpress sites. They rank, and have since the 1990's when I first started. As for impressiveness...if you design a professional looking site it should look professional years from now as long as you stick to tried and true web design principles and aren't using any funky new faddish things that become dated.

      Hope that helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author OscarTheDog
      Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

      I can field this one... why....

      Because this is what i do for a living now....

      You can get a PayPal Pro Merchant account free for 90days. Allows you the ability to accept payments from people without paypal.

      You can use CannyBill free for 30 days to handle invoices and recurring payments. Also has a great reporting system. So you can forecast sales, do projections, show every angle of your productivity. Also. If people cancel or do not pay... it sends out reminders and it will auto lock thier account.

      Another feature is it can give you a client log in for each account. So if your client wants to change thier billing info they can do it online.

      Also... it will work with your paypal account. You just get the API key from your paypal and enter into the backend of cannybill.

      Pretty impressive.

      As far as content and what not.... just get the info from them on the phone...


      What colors would you like?

      Whats your USP?

      What associations do you belong to?

      Blah Bllah Blah....

      Do you have any pictures you would like for us to include?

      You know the deal.


      WOW! A wealth of information. I like all the sites you listed above. How do you people find all this stuff? I had to "copy and paste" this post into my notes...along with John's original Post. Thanks for sharing this stuff. You all make this fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
    Hi Amir,

    Thanks for your reply.

    Never really thought of the PayPal merchant thing. So, I can get them signed up on a subscription through their credit card? And it will just automatically deduct that amount from their credit card each monthly period? Sounds great. Will need to read more into that. I am based in Australia, but I am pretty sure these are still relevant to me.

    Do you have any contracts when billing them monthly, I mean, don't you need them to sign something so you can legally take their money every month?
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    • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
      Originally Posted by krzysiek View Post

      Hi Amir,
      Do you have any contracts when billing them monthly, I mean, don't you need them to sign something so you can legally take their money every month?
      Have never really needed them.... but if you feel like you need it. Go for it...

      Most of what I do is over the phone. So if you have an autodialer, it will record your conversation. If there is ever a problem, you can play back the recording. Ofcouse.. I have never had a problem.
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  • OK, awesome thread, and action I am taking this week.

    I'm still struggling with the wordpress question. All I've heard, for a few years now, is wordpress is the answer...best way to do this and best way to do that...blah, blah, blah.

    This makes it sound like there is a simpler way.

    So...why, in the IM world, is there such an emphasis on wordpress?

    Is it because it is easier for marketer's to make money selling wordpress related products, and convincing people like me that it's "the way"?

    Like I said...I'm just wondering about this.

    I'm getting a Homestead account TODAY!
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  • Profile picture of the author ileneg
    Three quick questions for those of you already using this model:

    Are you doing anything on a monthly basis for the $25/month? Or is that just for "hosting" their site? Do your clients ask what the $25/month is for?

    Thanks,
    ileneg
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  • Profile picture of the author mpdomain
    Great info!!! Can you please give a little more info/details on how to sign up for the $19 reseller package? I do not see an option for this on homestead.

    Thanks!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author NeilPM
      Originally Posted by mpdomain View Post

      Great info!!! Can you please give a little more info/details on how to sign up for the $19 reseller package? I do not see an option for this on homestead.

      Thanks!!!
      Just going to answer this if I may.

      Use the trial link, then on STEP 2 (if I'm correct) it'll ask you for your bank details and which package you'd like to try. 30 days trial.
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  • You can also call the number of their website. I called, and actually signed up for the BusinessPlus, but that also gave me the 30 day trial on that, so no payment for 30 days.

    John....Thank You.
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  • Profile picture of the author monmonsyndicate
    Awesome.. But how easy is to implement this thing?

    Here such price for a website is unrealistic (too high), but I will try to lower it..
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    • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
      Originally Posted by monmonsyndicate View Post

      Awesome.. But how easy is to implement this thing?

      Here such price for a website is unrealistic (too high), but I will try to lower it..
      How do you lower FREE?

      I don't know where you are... but when I first started putting out websites my initial fear was I was charging too much in hosting.

      Then I found out what everyones biggest competitor charges for hosting.

      You have to remember. Not everyone and thier dog knows about host gator. or Home Stead.

      Never once have I had some one say.... I can get that for $10 a month over here.


      And if they do balk.... you can say... the rest if for maintenance. That way if you need to make a quick change... no big deal. We will be there for you after the sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    Is your biz partner Jacer still making 10k/day selling sites by using the methods in your WSO?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
    Hi guys just for those of you in the uk, I have just signed in to paypal and they have given me a completely free .co.uk domain and hosting. There was a banner to click, dunno whether you need a business account though.
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    • Profile picture of the author NeilPM
      Originally Posted by NEW-GUY View Post

      Hi guys just for those of you in the uk, I have just signed in to paypal and they have given me a completely free .co.uk domain and hosting. There was a banner to click, dunno whether you need a business account though.
      Oh I wanted a .co.uk domain but there was no link/banner that I saw, oh well. Got my main website up and running, did a few tweaks on PS so it'll look better.
      ___
      Classes are cancelled for the whole week, so I will be start calling few people tomorrow. haha! Any tips from fellow warriors?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr Squeeze
        @NeilPM sorry mate forgot to say that the banner was visible when I clicked merchant services
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      • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
        Originally Posted by NeilPM View Post

        Classes are cancelled for the whole week, so I will be start calling few people tomorrow. haha! Any tips from fellow warriors?
        The best Tip I can think of... and the words that changed my life.....



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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    I butter on bread I suppose....

    It doesn't matter where you are... that's where you are.


    The net is everywhere. These ideas are totally doable anywhere... even if you wanted to target another country you could.....

    thanks to Skypes Phone numbers and what not.
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    • Profile picture of the author wbinst2
      What i meant is i don't think you can register or host .com.au domains with them.

      Beside that you are only allowed 3 domains. Would you have to pay to register more external to Homstead for more than 3?

      Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

      I butter on bread I suppose....

      It doesn't matter where you are... that's where you are.


      The net is everywhere. These ideas are totally doable anywhere... even if you wanted to target another country you could.....

      thanks to Skypes Phone numbers and what not.
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        • Profile picture of the author wbinst2
          Yes, i read the thread. It explains the 3 domain thing. I still have to work on the .com.au setup with Homestead. Thanks

          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Read up this thread webinst, that topic has been covered in great detail.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    Don't know actually... I have no experience in that particular arena.

    I make it a point to not share anything other than my own experience. It works better for me that way.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Iemagine
    Thank you so much for your post. It was a free wso. Oh and you didn't leave us guessing how to do anything. I have just started with offline marketing myself and I'm realizing that there is a huge market. People just need to be open minded and get creative to find ways to sell offline. This was an excellent post on an easy way for newbies to start makeing their first dollar.
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  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    Did anyone try out John's advice today?
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    • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
      Originally Posted by rolltide View Post

      Did anyone try out John's advice today?
      If they did... I hope they didn't give up 5 minutes before the miracle happens.


      That happens a lot. You get people that say they are going to do this...

      They are going to do that....

      When it comes down to it... They make like 50 calls a day... MAYBE.... then wonder why it doesn't work... It actually does work... If you work it.

      There is no magic pill. There is work to be done. If someone made 500 calls per day.... CONSISTENTLY... for one week straight.... the would be wealthy.

      How do I know...

      The money in my pocket... That's how.
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    • Profile picture of the author Iemagine
      Originally Posted by rolltide View Post

      Did anyone try out John's advice today?
      Not today but a few days ago. I have 6 new clients-yippee! They were all from word of mouth. I'll start cold calling in a few days. I just sent a message via facebook to my friends and they put the word out. I read in someones post that they were calling on work trucks-two of my new accounts are from construction companies. I also had upsells by making them twitter and facebook accounts. This raised their monthly maintenance fee too. If your worried about your clients wanting to move their site, don't be because odds are they won't. Only if they really know what they are doing to maintain the site will they move it. If they decide to do that and think they can do it on their own, they will probably come running back to you within a month or two because they can't deal with it. I don't use homestead. I just have my account with hostgator.
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    • Profile picture of the author c0ppertantrum
      I got his WSO and am working on specific processes for it myself. Looking at where I can find a web builder that will let me make multiple sites that I can sell. I realize that they have to be completely mine for me to do this so it's just a bit of research.. Unfortunately, I'm not too familiar with Wordpress. I use Weebly. Any thoughts on that?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    I hope they didn't give up 5 minutes before the miracle happens.
    My motto in IM has always been...success is right around the corner from where you decide to quit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    Really John... Your right...

    I am so used to having an autodialer I demand more.

    Also I was really speaking from a conditioning and momentum standpoint.

    The first time I tried to ride a bicycle... I crashed.... The second time was a little better but not much.

    The third time... My dad could let go of my seat and I was flying... Then I crashed because I didn't know how to stop. Today... I can ride a bike. And I only crash followed by the words... "Watch This!" ( INSERT STUPID TRICK HERE) then BOOM... I am down.

    But if I just keep trying... consistently... I will make it. No matter what "it" is... Some take longer than others to learn how to ride a bike. Same thing goes with cold calling.

    I threw the 500 number out there because I know it works. 100 might work but I seem to only get the "undeveloped" out there that barely have the motor skills to dial the phone.


    So.. If you consistently call between 8am and 10pm with out taking a break... everyday. There is no reason why you can't find success.

    ESPECIALLY if you have an autodialer.

    If you can't... there is a foodstamp office near you I am sure.... Go get in line... Quick.
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    • Profile picture of the author affjourney
      What is an autodialer

      I have a very good offline product going for about usd500 for my market and this would really boost my sales! Please share how i can use this autodialer

      Also, what crm do u use to manage ya small business?


      Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

      Really John... Your right...

      I am so used to having an autodialer I demand more.

      Also I was really speaking from a conditioning and momentum standpoint.

      The first time I tried to ride a bicycle... I crashed.... The second time was a little better but not much.

      The third time... My dad could let go of my seat and I was flying... Then I crashed because I didn't know how to stop. Today... I can ride a bike. And I only crash followed by the words... "Watch This!" ( INSERT STUPID TRICK HERE) then BOOM... I am down.

      But if I just keep trying... consistently... I will make it. No matter what "it" is... Some take longer than others to learn how to ride a bike. Same thing goes with cold calling.

      I threw the 500 number out there because I know it works. 100 might work but I seem to only get the "undeveloped" out there that barely have the motor skills to dial the phone.


      So.. If you consistently call between 8am and 10pm with out taking a break... everyday. There is no reason why you can't find success.

      ESPECIALLY if you have an autodialer.

      If you can't... there is a foodstamp office near you I am sure.... Go get in line... Quick.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Kennedy
        Originally Posted by affjourney View Post

        What is an autodialer
        John Durham answered this on page 3

        Originally Posted by John Durham;

        The real term is actually "predictive Dialer". You load a cusomtized call list into it, put on a pair of head phones and it loads up calls for you, weeding out answering machines and no answers... so it goes through about 100 numbers per hour, and makes sure that as soon as you hang up with a customer there is another popping up on your screen saying "Hello"... very cool.

        cuts out down time, and alot of irritation.

        With a predictive dialer, you dont waste time listening to ring tones and answering machines, looking up numbers..., you just log in and it starts spitting calls at you as fast as you want to go.

        In a nutshell, with a predictive dialer, you are actually talking to customers all day not wasting time... plus it records your calls, tracks your conversions, offers reports on every aspect of your call session. Most importantly, it enables you to hire virtual telemarketers who can log in from their home pc's, and you are able to monitor them and view reports on their real time stats...

        Good stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy James
    You guys have mentioned "Auto-Dialers." I am going to play very stupid. I know an auto-dialer is something that will dial a number, automatically - and it will have a pre-recorded message. Am I right? Do they work? What do you say on them?

    Jeremy
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Jeremy James View Post

      You guys have mentioned "Auto-Dialers." I am going to play very stupid. I know an auto-dialer is something that will dial a number, automatically - and it will have a pre-recorded message. Am I right? Do they work? What do you say on them?

      Jeremy
      The real term is actually "predictive Dialer". You load a cusomtized call list into it, put on a pair of head phones and it loads up calls for you, weeding out answering machines and no answers... so it goes through about 100 numbers per hour, and makes sure that as soon as you hang up with a customer there is another popping up on your screen saying "Hello"... very cool.

      cuts out down time, and alot of irritation.

      With a predictive dialer, you dont waste time listening to ring tones and answering machines, looking up numbers..., you just log in and it starts spitting calls at you as fast as you want to go.

      In a nutshell, with a predictive dialer, you are actually talking to customers all day not wasting time... plus it records your calls, tracks your conversions, offers reports on every aspect of your call session. Most importantly, it enables you to hire virtual telemarketers who can log in from their home pc's, and you are able to monitor them and view reports on their real time stats...

      Good stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author wizozz
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        The real term is actually "predictive Dialer". You load a cusomtized call list into it, put on a pair of head phones and it loads up calls for you, weeding out answering machines and no answers... so it goes through about 100 numbers per hour, and makes sure that as soon as you hang up with a customer there is another popping up on your screen saying "Hello"... very cool.

        cuts out down time, and alot of irritation.

        With a predictive dialer, you dont waste time listening to ring tones and answering machines, looking up numbers..., you just log in and it starts spitting calls at you as fast as you want to go.

        In a nutshell, with a predictive dialer, you are actually talking to customers all day not wasting time... plus it records your calls, tracks your conversions, offers reports on every aspect of your call session. Most importantly, it enables you to hire virtual telemarketers who can log in from their home pc's, and you are able to monitor them and view reports on their real time stats...

        Good stuff.
        Well, this is a very good thread, but the thing is, I hate cold calling. And I live in Turkey, and if I charged $199 per 3 page html web site and $25/m for hosting, I think I could not find a single customer, because these are high prices for my local market. There are people here selling 300$ web sites with Joomla/Wordpress and a custom designed graphics/template.

        So, what I'm wondering is, is there a way outsource the telemarketing/prospecting bit? I'd rather pay some telemarketer in US who sells web sites for $199+$20/m $50 per sale, and focus on building the sites and the residual income, than get to the phone to sell cold calling all day.

        Any tips to outsource telemarketing work? Preferable Pay-Per-Sale, once the sale is made?
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    Very nice tool to have... but not exactly necessary when doing B2B...

    Though it does make it easier... more of a luxury item really....
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  • Profile picture of the author vision1
    Great post! So now we don't have to worry about how to earn from scratch without HTML knowledge anymore.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Connell
    Hey John,

    Did you find your aff. link yet?

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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy James
        If you don't mind - I want to just summarize this point - so I can more easily understand it, and, everyone else can do. Please correct me if I am wrong on any points.

        1. Register an account on Homestead.
        2. Pick a city + niche = newyorkdentists.com
        3. Put a very basic site up using templates and tools from Homestead
        4. Call/contact various dentists in New York to lease the site
        5. Charge market price ($199-$399 set up, $25-$100 a month to lease/rent/maintain.)


        At that point - what do you do? Do you allow them to put their own stuff on the site? Do you design it to their specifications? How much monthly work is required on this site - newyorkdentists.com?
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy James
            Good deal.

            Now - is there a way that the selling part of that can be outsourced, maybe even on a commission only basis? I loathe the time of making the calls, but, even more than that, I am strapped for time. I have a job - that I need to be in now, for various reasons, but, I have lots of dead time - where I could design with no problems.
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            • Profile picture of the author paulie888
              Originally Posted by Jeremy James View Post

              Good deal.

              Now - is there a way that the selling part of that can be outsourced, maybe even on a commission only basis? I loathe the time of making the calls, but, even more than that, I am strapped for time. I have a job - that I need to be in now, for various reasons, but, I have lots of dead time - where I could design with no problems.
              My personal philosophy is to NEVER outsource anything until I have done it myself first. It's a sound principle, because how on earth are you going to know if the person you're outsourcing the work to is doing it properly if you have no idea yourself?? This innate knowledge can only come from doing it yourself.

              When starting a new business venture of any kind, there are invariably going to be unpleasant and undesirable aspects of it that you will not want to do. However, this is just the nature of the beast and you'll have to tackle it head on if you want to become successful at this.

              Lately, I've seen a lot of people try to get in the offline arena and want to outsource everything (website/SEO work as well as the sales) right from the beginning. In my opinion, that approach is completely screwed up, because you just won't be able to run the business effectively without having prior knowledge of how it really runs. It's almost as ridiculous as trying to pass a major exam in college, and outsourcing practically everything - the studying/research and even the test-taking part of things to other people!

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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    Yes..... you can....

    But don't.

    Not until you have done it yourself. You need to know what your people are thinking as they go through the process. You need to know what they are feeling when things don't go as expected. You need to know that if your people fall short, you can step in and make it happen.

    There is no way to ensure that you can make it happen unless you actually take the action, on a consistent basis. You don't want to rely on other people to make or break you in this industry. You don't need to worry because you know... if all else fails, You can make it happen.

    The best way to make it work is if you have nothing to begin with. Being forced to do something that is inconvenient is a very very powerful motivator.

    Fear is a powerful motivator. Holy Crap... Rent is due. I have no job. I have no money...

    I better do something quick.

    That is the kind of dedication and motivational mindset I need when I do things that are inconvenient.

    Every person I know that is successful has one thing in common. "The ability to do what no one else will do."

    Do you share that trait?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy James
    Hey Amir and John,

    I respectfully ask your opinion.

    I have a website - Fort Worth Car Repair | Fort Worth Car Repair. I personally think I am sitting on a gold mine, or, at least a good residual income.

    What can I do? I put up a pretty crappy directory, but, don't know if that's the best thing I can do.

    What do you think this site could legitimally bring in?

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    • Profile picture of the author PowerUK
      Hi Jeremy

      Just looked at your site

      First and foremost.... Take the phone numbers off the site, your doing there advertising for them for free

      You dont say how old the site is or if its ranking or not

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    • Profile picture of the author bshelite
      Hey Jeremy,

      My cousin owns one of the shops you have listed
      on your site.

      Small world.


      Originally Posted by Jeremy James View Post

      Hey Amir and John,

      I respectfully ask your opinion.

      I have a website - Fort Worth Car Repair | Fort Worth Car Repair. I personally think I am sitting on a gold mine, or, at least a good residual income.

      What can I do? I put up a pretty crappy directory, but, don't know if that's the best thing I can do.

      What do you think this site could legitimally bring in?

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    • Profile picture of the author c0ppertantrum
      Originally Posted by Jeremy James View Post

      Hey Amir and John,

      I respectfully ask your opinion.

      I have a website - I personally think I am sitting on a gold mine, or, at least a good residual income.

      What can I do? I put up a pretty crappy directory, but, don't know if that's the best thing I can do.

      What do you think this site could legitimally bring in?

      Jeremy
      There were a lot of good things about your site that I liked such as:
      The pic of walking.. what a nightmare!
      I guess what I'm trying to say is that you are really promoting to the viewer here- who really needs to get their car fixed. Can you put up a map locator? And are you alphabetizing your list of auto care professionals? Just asking! - Nice job!
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryS
    Hi John,

    Great info, thanks alot!
    I signed up with Homestead the other day and I'm in the process of creating some sites.
    I have a question about your business model that I don't think was totally covered in this thread.

    It seems that the site you build for a client is really only "leased" to them, correct? You charge the initial $399 or whatever to personalize the site to their business and then the monthly "maintenance" fee. If the client wants their own domain name, you get that and direct it to "their" site that is within your Homestead account. Or do you have the client purchase their own domain and have it directed to the site in your account?

    What if the client wants the ability to go into the site and edit text or update a blog? How do you give them access to your account which may have hundreds of other clients websites?

    Or is this strictly a lease proposition and if the clients wants to "own" the site, then they have to open their own Homestead account and have the site transferred over to them?

    Thanks again for helping so many people with this idea.

    Larry
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    • Profile picture of the author nelsonbiglar
      This is a great thread with real solution building...

      Can I add something... based on the following below and leaving homestead out of the equation.

      Can't you just create a wordpress site with various niche themes and clone the sites to the be used for a new client?

      1. create an optimized wordpress site.
      2. offer 5-10 simple designs. Or more if you have the resources.
      3. clone these sites as per your clients needs.
      4. upsell additional services.
      5. Use the telephone whenever possible to close more sales.

      In essence this would be similar to using homestead though they have alot of resources to use.

      My concern is that you have to host your clients sites on homestead and not on your own servers? That may be a negative, I don't know.

      Couple questions:

      How would you communicate where your clients sites are?
      Would you create sud-domains or hosted sites that your client choose?
      Would you sell them webpages or full websites first?

      Awesome chat!

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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by nelsonbiglar View Post

        This is a great thread with real solution building...

        Can I add something... based on the following below and leaving homestead out of the equation.

        Can't you just create a wordpress site with various niche themes and clone the sites to the be used for a new client?

        1. create an optimized wordpress site.
        2. offer 5-10 simple designs. Or more if you have the resources.
        3. clone these sites as per your clients needs.
        4. upsell additional services.
        5. Use the telephone whenever possible to close more sales.

        In essence this would be similar to using homestead though they have alot of resources to use.

        My concern is that you have to host your clients sites on homestead and not on your own servers? That may be a negative, I don't know.

        Couple questions:

        How would you communicate where your clients sites are?
        Would you create sud-domains or hosted sites that your client choose?
        Would you sell them webpages or full websites first?

        Awesome chat!

        Mitch
        Mitch, I'd actually prefer this approach as Wordpress is definitely more flexible and powerful than Homestead. With a cloning tool like WP Twin, you could pump out these sites (everything but the content and perhaps customized graphics) in a flash, replete with every single plugin you need and configured just the way you like it.

        If using the Wordpress approach, you basically have two options. You can either give them your hosting affiliate link and have them sign up themselves, or you could sell them hosting directly via your reseller account.

        I really wouldn't recommend creating websites on subdomains, as this could hurt your SEO efforts significantly when trying to optimize those sites for the best rankings possible.
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        • Profile picture of the author CappaG
          John, thank you for an inspiring post. Most people think of doing something similar, but are put off because they are unsure of the first few steps. You laid out a nice step-by-step plan that can be started immediately and I'm sure, will help many readers... BTW, I understand why you didn't want to list one of your own sites as an example; the first two example sites you mentioned are both down (for now at least). I wonder if that has anything to do with you linking to them from here and the probable massive bump in traffic they must have received
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          • Profile picture of the author CappaG
            Originally Posted by CappaG View Post

            John, thank you for an inspiring post. Most people think of doing something similar, but are put off because they are unsure of the first few steps. You laid out a nice step-by-step plan that can be started immediately and I'm sure, will help many readers... BTW, I understand why you didn't want to list one of your own sites as an example; the first two example sites you mentioned are both down (for now at least). I wonder if that has anything to do with you linking to them from here and the probable massive bump in traffic they must have received
            nevermind...I just dug around a little more and it seems homestead itself is down for the time being, NOT just those two mentioned sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Jeremy James View Post

      If you don't mind - I want to just summarize this point - so I can more easily understand it, and, everyone else can do. Please correct me if I am wrong on any points.

      1. Register an account on Homestead.
      2. Pick a city + niche = newyorkdentists.com
      3. Put a very basic site up using templates and tools from Homestead
      4. Call/contact various dentists in New York to lease the site
      5. Charge market price ($199-$399 set up, $25-$100 a month to lease/rent/maintain.)


      At that point - what do you do? Do you allow them to put their own stuff on the site? Do you design it to their specifications? How much monthly work is required on this site - newyorkdentists.com?

      Sounds about correct.

      At this point, you either get some beer and pretzels as George Wright says, and stay up all night being creative and designing their website.... or you hire someone to do it and split up the profits... you may also want to send them an email to confirm your agreement and let them know their work in underway!

      Lets say you sell one per day for an average of $399 , you have about 2-3 hours in sales per day, and 2-3 hours in designing... so you make $2000 per week for only working part time....
      Now lets say you charge $1,500 instead of $299 then you only have to sell 2 per week to make $3,000 and only work say 15 hours.

      As you can see its very lucrative

      Great Questions:

      It seems that the site you build for a client is really only "leased" to them, correct?

      No because if they ever decide to quit working with you can down load their design onto a cd and hand it to them.

      You charge the initial $399 or whatever to personalize the site to their business and then the monthly "maintenance" fee. If the client wants their own domain name, you get that and direct it to "their" site that is within your Homestead account. Or do you have the client purchase their own domain and have it directed to the site in your account?

      I just sign them up (register their URL) on my account. If the client ever wants to leave or wants to transfer their domain... then its easy enough to unlock lock it and transfer it to a new registar or change the ownership information...

      https://www.homestead.com/~site/help/help_page_one.ffhtml

      What if the client wants the ability to go into the site and edit text or update a blog? How do you give them access to your account which may have hundreds of other clients websites?

      I dont. I think someone at homestead told me there was a way to do it , but I find it easier to just tell clients to email me their updates, and I will handle them. Learned a long time ago that customers dont really call in that much to be honest... you might hear from them once a month or so about updates... but even when they do its easy enough to have them email you , to update their blogs, or in that situation it might be better to have their site link out to their blog instead of designing it within the site. I dont really sell blogs, so I dont know. Another thing, you can charge them for a certain amount of updates per month.

      I personally use it as a selling point, that as long as they keep their hosting with me I will do free updates, while other designers charge... they dont really ask for that many to be honest.

      In short my policy is just "I'll do your updates".

      Or is this strictly a lease proposition and if the clients wants to "own" the site, then they have to open their own Homestead account and have the site transferred over to them?

      Yes once again, using the link above you can transfer sites and domains...change registars and ownership info...

      Thanks again for helping so many people with this idea.

      No prob. Hope it helps some people get started and stop procrastinating, you can learn more along the way... in fact you may learn some things about cpanel permissions... and blogs that I dont even know, because I sell my way, and just leave it at that.

      I figure if I gave people access to a cpanel it would just create more customer service, as they would be ringing my phone off the hook everyday for consultations and training on how to use it... its easier just to say "email me if you want an update".

      ... dig around...theres a million options. You may find some that I havent even looked for.

      Another good idea is to join their forum and ask questions their too.

      Hope this helps

      Guys, if I start answering slower, its because I can only put 25 more posts in this thread... or else its a sinker! lol

      The o.p. cant have more than 50 posts in a thread or they lock it and it sinks into oblivion. forever never to rise again... so I will start waiting awhile between posts and using the multiquote function... since we want this thread to last a long time...

      Perhaps some others can share their experience as well...
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  • Profile picture of the author Russell Hall
    John,

    I have never seen anyone give away so much "golden advice" on this or any other forum for free. In fact,.. you could have bundled it all up and put it into a WSO PDF and sold it or even used it as a free WSO list builder, but it's all been laid out clearly and plainly for anyone to read and absorb and benefit from and there's not even a whiff of an optin.

    I've been online long enough now to see that way too many people just get sucked into the whole "next shiny object" buying routine and even spend thousands on seminars and then do nothing when all that it really takes is to adopt one single proven system and start working it. That way real results can not fail to prevail.
    I believe that anyone that takes up your no-nonsense plan and applies it WILL make money and may even go on to making a hugely successful business of it all.

    I salute you for your integrity and contribution,...a TRUE Warrior indeed!

    Best regards,
    Russ
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by RussRave View Post

      John,

      I have never seen anyone give away so much "golden advice" on this or any other forum for free. In fact,.. you could have bundled it all up and put it into a WSO PDF and sold it or even used it as a free WSO list builder, but it's all been laid out clearly and plainly for anyone to read and absorb and benefit from and there's not even a whiff of an optin.

      I've been online long enough now to see that way too many people just get sucked into the whole "next shiny object" buying routine and even spend thousands on seminars and then do nothing when all that it really takes is to adopt one single proven system and start working it. That way real results can not fail to prevail.
      I believe that anyone that takes up your no-nonsense plan and applies it WILL make money and may even go on to making a hugely successful business of it all.

      I salute you for your integrity and contribution,...a TRUE Warrior indeed!

      Best regards,
      Russ
      Thanks Russ, It really isnt hard to contribute when you are just saying what you know. Im just bssing, like two ole men sitting on a bench talking about their life to each other. Not hard, just shooting the breeze with some friends who let me stand on a soap box here and there, so I go off on a sermon... lol Sooner or later I'll get down off of my soap box.

      I dont know how well what I just said translates to other countries... Does anyone know another way to put that "He's on a soap box"?

      Anyway, its fun, and it's very worthwhile. Heck if nothing else, for posterity.

      Rudyard kipling says in the poem "if", that one of the things that completes a person and brings them full circle is:

      "If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew, to serve your turn long after you are gone, and so hold on when there is nothing in you, except that which is the will which says to them 'hold on'...."


      Well hopefully 50 years from now when I am gone, some of these writings will be serving my turn, and still be inspiring others to their own personal epiphany's about their own personal ability to achieve greatness!

      Ps. Eventually I will go crawl back in my hole and work! I tend to work real hard for a month or two, then come back and hang out at the wf for a couple weeks... then go work real hard for another month or two... cycles, as Paul Meyers says.
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  • Profile picture of the author zavonrayenz
    The whole argument can be brought up about what's the purpose of offline consulting, to make money or to help a business out by making them more money? The truth is, the purpose is both. The reason to do this business is to make money helping others make more money. If it takes using a lower end software tool to create sites that get a client online, then do it, and improve and upgrade from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Morris
    John, Please PM me your affiliate link also. Thanks for everything that you do!
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  • Profile picture of the author K.Callwood
    I feel like I should pay you for all this great info John! You should put up a buy me a beer button or something :-) But I do have just one question. Why would you want to waste your time with the building tools. Those sites aren't worth $100 in my humble opinion. Plus it is infinitely easier to just throw up a Wordpress blog and pay a site like Premium WordPress Themes for unlimited access to amazing template sites that will earn you lifetime customers.

    The best thing about that method is that you can easily set it up so that the client has limited administrative powers to let them perform info updates and feel like they have a real powerful vehicle. It also makes the upsells for Social media marketing much easier to implement after people learn the ropes.

    Great post and I really appreciate all of the solid advice, but I think people should consider the wordpress route. It is actually easier in my opinion and certainly higher quality which will make potential clients drop their jaw when they see your portfolio.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zillionairemind
      Wow,have really been blessed with all this info,now to take action.
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    • Profile picture of the author Russell Hall
      Originally Posted by DrMeg View Post

      I'm just starting but I am about to get my third offline client by doing a HubPage about their business. I went into the shop, asked to speak to the owner, told them about the HubPage I was doing, asked if I could take a few photos for the HubPage. We chatted, I took photos, I sent them the HubPage link when I was done. Took a couple of hours.

      Two things happened....

      1. They sent the link out to everyone on their list and that HubPage got a lot of views, and I (with only a few HubPages created so far) now have a HubPage Accolade award on my profile.

      2. One of the stores profiled in the HubPage is "thinking about" hiring me to re-do their website. All I need to do is go back and follow up. (that reminds me....note to self.....follow your own advice and follow up today!)

      Now that I'm armed with this excellent and easy website creation tool, I'm going for it!

      Thanks John for your help and encouragement.
      Great idea with the Hubpages DrMeg. It's all about being proactive and creative. I've found if you take the initiative to take action and get a demonstrable result before you start talking to the business owner then your job is more than half done as they'll respect that and also be curious and/or excited about what else you can do for them.

      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Rudyard kipling says in the poem "if", that one of the things that completes a person and brings them full circle is:

      "If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew, to serve your turn long after you are gone, and so hold on when there is nothing in you, except that which is the will which says to them 'hold on'...."


      Well hopefully 50 years from now when I am gone, some of these writings will be serving my turn, and still be inspiring others to their own personal epiphany's about their own personal ability to achieve greatness!
      Ahh... a man after my own heart quoting the brilliant and insightful "Kipling". If a man had only one piece of prose by which to guide his life then the "If" poem would have to be it.
      "If you can watch the things you gave your life to to broken and stoop and build them up with worn out tools, or watch the truths you've spoken twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools"
      I could go on... but there's a gem (or two) in every verse for sure!
      Thanks John,.. and I totally agree with making your mark and making a (real) difference whilst able bodied and in the midst of life!

      Originally Posted by K.Callwood View Post

      I feel like I should pay you for all this great info John! You should put up a buy me a beer button or something :-) But I do have just one question. Why would you want to waste your time with the building tools. Those sites aren't worth $100 in my humble opinion. Plus it is infinitely easier to just throw up a Wordpress blog and pay a site like Premium WordPress Themes for unlimited access to amazing template sites that will earn you lifetime customers.

      The best thing about that method is that you can easily set it up so that the client has limited administrative powers to let them perform info updates and feel like they have a real powerful vehicle. It also makes the upsells for Social media marketing much easier to implement after people learn the ropes.

      Great post and I really appreciate all of the solid advice, but I think people should consider the wordpress route. It is actually easier in my opinion and certainly higher quality which will make potential clients drop their jaw when they see your portfolio.
      The sites may not look like they are worth $100 but its what is done with them and the value it brings to the client that counts. I have seen 3 page html "sites" with one article sold for $500+ and the client was tickled pink as they didn't have to do a thing and now they had an online entity.

      For that matter, I have set up single page html landing/squeeze pages for clients before and charge $1500+ incl copywriting and they were delighted to pay it.
      As far as WordPress is concerned I agree that there is no other online platform as powerful as WP. I say that as a WP specialist who has created hundreds of WP over the past few years. But here's the thing,.. I totally agree with what John Durham said about the lack of willingness/skill/interest for the client to want to visit the site and start populating it and generally managing it. I have had dozens of clients (and still have many) that have had personalised training via seminars, webinars and video on WP and yet they still can't properly manage their sites (I get their requests every week).
      Amazingly,.. I have set up some great WP sites and blogs and started to populate them with content. "GREAT" says the client,... then proceeds to do NOTHING with the site for months on end and they either become abandoned, lose ranking etc. Some eventually come back and take up my offer to manage the site as was first suggested.

      I've found that the majority of business people would prefer to not have to ever go inside a cPanel. WP-admin or a MySQL database. Therefore, it's much better to offer them a totally hands free "done and managed for you" alternative that they'll gladly pay for so they can focus on their business.
      This is what makes charging $30 to $50 per month for hosting possible when the client realizes that they're getting more than a home for their website,... they're getting the backend support should it ever be required. Ask any decent businessperson what an hour of their time is worth to them!

      Cheers all
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    • Profile picture of the author momsapplepies
      Originally Posted by krzysiek View Post

      As you have outlined, homestead seems like a good place to start. But may I ask, what do you think of Wordpress sites? They are quite easy to set up (a lot of domains offer instant set up through Fantastico, or whatever that software is called) and there are a lot of free themes as well. I Was thinking of using your idea, but implementing Wordpress sites instead (as I have used them before and it doesn't seem too bad for me to do). What are your thoughts?)
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I didn't see anyone answer that for you, so I will. There's nothing to worry about SEO-wise. I have far more HTML sites than Wordpress sites. They rank, and have since the 1990's when I first started. As for impressiveness...if you design a professional looking site it should look professional years from now as long as you stick to tried and true web design principles and aren't using any funky new faddish things that become dated.

      Hope that helps.
      Originally Posted by CleanMountainLiving View Post


      I'm still struggling with the wordpress question. All I've heard, for a few years now, is wordpress is the answer...best way to do this and best way to do that...blah, blah, blah.

      This makes it sound like there is a simpler way.

      So...why, in the IM world, is there such an emphasis on wordpress?
      Originally Posted by nelsonbiglar View Post

      This is a great thread with real solution building...

      Can I add something... based on the following below and leaving homestead out of the equation.

      Can't you just create a wordpress site with various niche themes and clone the sites to the be used for a new client?

      1. create an optimized wordpress site.
      2. offer 5-10 simple designs. Or more if you have the resources.
      3. clone these sites as per your clients needs.
      4. upsell additional services.
      5. Use the telephone whenever possible to close more sales.
      Originally Posted by K.Callwood View Post

      Why would you want to waste your time with the building tools. Those sites aren't worth $100 in my humble opinion. Plus it is infinitely easier to just throw up a Wordpress blog and pay a site like Premium WordPress Themes for unlimited access to amazing template sites that will earn you lifetime customers.
      We seem to forget what a 'blog' is about. Its intention was for continously updating the public with your information. It wasn't long ago that no one even realized they could build a 'normal' website with a blog.

      I've been online since 1995, can code html by hand from scratch. I've also built hundreds and hundreds of wordpress sites.

      There's nothing like the sheer simplicity of an html site. Remember, wordpress is constantly updated, it takes plugins to make it seo friendly (though thats slowly changing), which means plugins are constantly updated. Now thats fine if you only have a handful of blog sites... but try hundreds and, even with things like wpmanagerdx, it becomes a continuous battle to keep things updated.

      Not so with static html sites. They seo the same way (title tag, description, etc). They only need to be updated when necessary. And they are not resource hogs like wordpress can be.

      So you really need to choose what is right for your customer. If they are a business that is always being social and updating the public, a blog might be right for them. If they are a plumber who just needs a web presence, a static html site might be best.
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      • Profile picture of the author BayAreaSteve
        Originally Posted by momsapplepies View Post


        There's nothing like the sheer simplicity of an html site. Remember, wordpress is constantly updated, it takes plugins to make it seo friendly (though thats slowly changing), which means plugins are constantly updated. Now thats fine if you only have a handful of blog sites... but try hundreds and, even with things like wpmanagerdx, it becomes a continuous battle to keep things updated.

        Not so with static html sites. They seo the same way (title tag, description, etc). They only need to be updated when necessary. And they are not resource hogs like wordpress can be.
        Do template html sites qualify as static html sites?
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        • Profile picture of the author BillyParadise
          Originally Posted by BayAreaSteve View Post

          Do template html sites qualify as static html sites?
          Yup. If it doesn't require a database, or php (or asp or other scripting language), that's a static site.

          It's _very_ 1997, but hey, if it works for you, go for it

          The minimum I would personally do is to have "php includes" for a header and footer - then at least you can make changes to the look and feel of the site without editing every single page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    No doubt about it... Flash is totally overrated. You can get the same effect with a wordpress site using rotating images.

    Wordpress format is EXTREMELY SEARCH ENGINE Friendly!!!!!!

    The good thing about Homestead templates is that you can use thier website builder to manipulate the Meta Tags, ALT image tags, etc. So you may not need WP to make it On Page Optimized. Actually... I know you don't. You can make it Search Engine friendly w/ the Site Delux program Homestead uses to build websites... If they still use that program. It has been a few years since I used Homestead. So I really don't want to speak out of turn.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Skuse
    WordPress + modified premium theme + All-in-one-SEO plugin + Google Sitemaps plugin = a beautiful website that will not only show up on Google search results in 24 hours, but will also be content manageable for the client and will be tailored for his or her own needs.

    Plenty of premium themes have so many customization options that you won't need any coding abilities in order to make it unique enough for them. Colors and layout positioning can usually be changed drastically thanks to flexible widget themes. I am a capable coder yet I find myself never needing to edit much code when using such themes.

    Sure, it might take a bit more effort than setting up a Homestead site, but it will look a lot more professional and most clients will LOVE that they can make changes themselves (this doesn't mean they won't pay you for ongoing maintenance - a lot of clients still want to be able to call upon their web guy or gal when needed, and updates will need to be dealt with, backups, etc).

    Also, with the All-in-one-SEO plugin, you're making it easier for yourself to apply any in-depth SEO that you might be able to up-sell to them. It's far more pleasant, quicker and manageable than editing code to get it done.

    Taking all of that into account, there is much more justice in the pricing, in my opinion.

    Also, there are tools out there that make mass WordPress updates (including plugins) quicker and easier to apply than ever, such as client dashboards you can use. Remember, you can include maintenance for the first 6 months or whatever, and then offer a reasonable monthly plan for their ongoing maintenance. With a dashboard of say 100 clients each paying $50/month for ongoing maintenance, that's $5000/month despite the speed you will be able to apply mass WordPress and plugin updates (as well as setup automatic backups).

    I believe in efficiency, but not at the cost of quality. Just my 2 cents based on what works for me, and what evidently works for a lot of others out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
      Originally Posted by Ashley Cooper View Post

      WordPress + modified premium theme + All-in-one-SEO plugin + Google Sitemaps plugin = a beautiful website that will not only show up on Google search results in 24 hours, but will also be content manageable for the client and will be tailored for his or her own needs.

      Plenty of premium themes have so many customization options that you won't need any coding abilities in order to make it unique enough for them. Colors and layout positioning can usually be changed drastically thanks to flexible widget themes. I am a capable coder yet I find myself never needing to edit much code when using such themes.

      Sure, it might take a bit more effort than setting up a Homestead site, but it will look a lot more professional and most clients will LOVE that they can make changes themselves (this doesn't mean they won't pay you for ongoing maintenance - a lot of clients still want to be able to call upon their web guy or gal when needed, and updates will need to be dealt with, backups, etc).

      Also, with the All-in-one-SEO plugin, you're making it easier for yourself to apply any in-depth SEO that you might be able to up-sell to them. It's far more pleasant, quicker and manageable than editing code to get it done.

      Taking all of that into account, there is much more justice in the pricing, in my opinion.

      Also, there are tools out there that make mass WordPress updates (including plugins) quicker and easier to apply than ever, such as client dashboards you can use. Remember, you can include maintenance for the first 6 months or whatever, and then offer a reasonable monthly plan for their ongoing maintenance. With a dashboard of say 100 clients each paying $50/month for ongoing maintenance, that's $5000/month despite the speed you will be able to apply mass WordPress and plugin updates (as well as setup automatic backups).

      I believe in efficiency, but not at the cost of quality. Just my 2 cents based on what works for me, and what evidently works for a lot of others out there.
      I absolutely and wholly concur...

      This is my exact formula for web design. I prefer to use the Flexx theme because it is so customizable and easy to use. Also the Flexibility theme is easy to use too. But it crashed my WP installation when trying to change themes....

      If homestead has Fantastico in their Cpanel, this is the easiest, most cost effective way to get sites that are 100% on page optimized ready to rock. You can use Xheader... from the people that brought us XsitePro for free to make your custom headers too. So graphic design is easy peasy....
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      • Profile picture of the author estherwilliams
        Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

        I absolutely and wholly concur...

        This is my exact formula for web design. I prefer to use the Flexx theme because it is so customizable and easy to use. Also the Flexibility theme is easy to use too. But it crashed my WP installation when trying to change themes....

        If homestead has Fantastico in their Cpanel, this is the easiest, most cost effective way to get sites that are 100% on page optimized ready to rock. You can use Xheader... from the people that brought us XsitePro for free to make your custom headers too. So graphic design is easy peasy....
        XSitePro is a fantastic bit of web design magic... It's what brought me into the amazing world of online marketing. In just a few months I've never been more confident about building websites, and I also learnt about SEO using XSitePro website design software. Definitely a great first move for me and would highly recommend it!
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      • Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

        ooops... I accidentally double posted the same thing... Thank God for the edit button.
        what's the brand name predictive dialer you use Amir...do you have a link for the service

        I was a telemarketer myself back in the day in a boiler room and we used predictive dialers for generating leads
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  • Profile picture of the author lanbo
    Thanks jon, i'll try this out
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  • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
    John,

    Thanks for posting the great info. Yep, you're gonna piss off some of the egocentric IMers. That is a given but **** them as we used to say.

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  • Profile picture of the author flipstroman
    John - great info!! I have worked in the corporate internet field for a while and I can tell the folks here that the corporate world pays consultants many times more than what John is proposing you charge! Having said that, the steps are basically the same! Great post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Kennedy
    This has been touched on previously but I don't think it's been fully answered...

    I'm UK based and was wondering whether the .co.uk extension is available thru homestead? I've come to the conclusion that, in terms of SEO for local uk businesses especially, a .co.uk is better than a .com, .net or .org

    Any UK or other non-American warriors got any experience with Homestead?

    Fantastic, valuable & inspiring (not to mention FREE) content John... thank you for sharing... oh & by the way, please PM me your Homestead aff link and I will be glad to order thru it.

    Regards,

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  • Profile picture of the author godsgood
    Thanks! A lot of good info in this post!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tjmcnich
    For those that are already in the business... how are you going to go about paying taxes? have you set up a LLC or what?

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    I am not a tax advisor.

    I am not an attorney...

    That being said... LLC will protect you from having to pay double taxation. so... you don't have to pay taxes as a business entity. Then personal taxes after that.

    There are different features and benefits of each way availlable to file your business with the secretary of states office.

    Really.... if you are doing everything from a personal PayPal account and don't have an entity registered... I don't see why you couldn't claim it as personal income and not rock the boat.

    Just a thought.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Avocado
      Just finished reading this entire thread. Simply. Amazing. I cannot thank you all enough: first and foremost John for sharing this incredible and workable plan. But also everyone else for your great questions and insight.

      I live in an area where local businesses are literally exploding all over the place and I feel like this is such a viable option for me. Right now my job is writing articles for $15 a pop - and I am not having fun. This seems like so much FUN and I would get to interact with people which is the only thing I miss from my corporate office days. Yes, I can do this....and still have time to work on building passive income on the side.

      If my "Thank You" button would show up on my screen I would use it :rolleyes:

      But THANK YOU - and I hope to report back in the next day or so with news of my first client.
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    • Profile picture of the author lewiswharf
      Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

      I am not a tax advisor.

      I am not an attorney...

      That being said... LLC will protect you from having to pay double taxation.
      I don't believe this is correct. Sole proprietorship, partnership, limited liability companies, and S corporations are all pass through entities. The company's earnings are taxed at the appropriate shareholder(s) tax rate.

      C corporations are the only entity that I'm aware of that have the double taxation issue. A C Corporation is its own entity and pays its own taxes. Shareholders must pay taxes on any distributions as well (this is where the double taxation comes in).

      Forming an LLC or Corporation is mainly for liability protection (but there are other good reasons too).

      Anyway, loving this thread. Thanks John!
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  • Profile picture of the author foley2009
    Thanks John for this insightful post, it is an inspiration and an encouragement for newbies. It gives a newbie like myself lots of hope in this wide world of internet marketing business.
    Thanks for this post and I wish you the very best in 2011.

    Remain blessed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter123
      Hi John!
      Thank you very much for such a contribution to this forum.
      There is too much "cheese" being sold on this forum hidden under whatever names and systems.
      You put your knowledge and experience for the rest of us to absorb and to take the best of it to make our own model, creation or a way of doing business.... even with not much in the pockets and neither experience.

      Since I am a fairly new I cannot contact you directly would you pm me please?
      I may need a bit of advice to connect the dots.

      Happy New Year to you and everyone who contributed ... and to those who "got it" or had a "Aha" moment. ;>

      Sincerely,

      Walter
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  • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
    Are the websites built through Homestead an actual html site that can be moved in tact to a different host? Or do the customers only own the content they provided? I deal with this on a regular basis when site owners become serious about marketing their sites. Too often I'm the barer of bad news telling they don't own anything but the content they provided and here's how much it's going to cost to start all over.

    I would not be anxious to contribute to that problem unless I had a solution. As a business owner nothing pisses me off more than to be held hostage so as a service provider I educate and position customers to be in control of their websites.

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulie888
      Originally Posted by Creativegirl View Post

      Are the websites built through Homestead an actual html site that can be moved in tact to a different host? Or do the customers only own the content they provided? I deal with this on a regular basis when site owners become serious about marketing their sites. Too often I'm the barer of bad news telling they don't own anything but the content they provided and here's how much it's going to cost to start all over.

      I would not be anxious to contribute to that problem unless I had a solution. As a business owner nothing pisses me off more than to be held hostage so as a service provider I educate and position customers to be in control of their websites.

      Thanks.
      Unfortunately, the answer is no. I have a client that I modified a website for on homestead (because he was already on it). I had actually recommended switching to a regular host initially, but after looking at the html code on his homestead site, I realized that homestead does not really give you access to all the files and code.

      I suppose this is their way of making you stay with them indefinitely, so this is something you'd definitely want to inform your client about before building their website on homestead.
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      • Profile picture of the author teemare
        I thank you for the knowledge included here. I will be trying this.

        I am going to be using Expression Studio 4, and looking at different hosting options at this point, but i believe there is to be a potentially solid, consistent form of income generated from this.

        I am a new member here at Warrior Forums, with little-to-no web design experience, but fairly computer proficient as far as 32 year olds go.

        I will follow this thread and look forward to sharing and learning about this wonderul "aha" moment.
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      • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        Unfortunately, the answer is no. I have a client that I modified a website for on homestead (because he was already on it). I had actually recommended switching to a regular host initially, but after looking at the html code on his homestead site, I realized that homestead does not really give you access to all the files and code.

        I suppose this is their way of making you stay with them indefinitely, so this is something you'd definitely want to inform your client about before building their website on homestead.
        Thanks, I suspected as much.
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      • Profile picture of the author lewiswharf
        Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

        Unfortunately, the answer is no. I have a client that I modified a website for on homestead (because he was already on it). I had actually recommended switching to a regular host initially, but after looking at the html code on his homestead site, I realized that homestead does not really give you access to all the files and code.
        Your browser should give you all the access you need. I can't see how they could restrict access since it needs to be served publicly.
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        • Profile picture of the author Avocado
          lewiswharf,
          Thanks, you're right. You can make a backup of your sites with a program like FrontPage and then if you ever need to change hosts you'll have all the code you need. Also, you should probably save all the images separately (as opposed to just the code that points to the image address on the web).

          Off to make some cold calls...and I'll admit I haven't made any yet due to procrastination and fear. Today is the day.
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    Great Post i love it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Kennedy
    Does anyone know if the .co.uk extension is available thru Homestead?

    If not, is it possible to import domains into the system from, say Namecheap?

    Thanks

    Cliff
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  • Profile picture of the author Cowley
    This seems do able I may try it
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  • Profile picture of the author affjourney
    Now just the law of attraction at work! I can see what i need to do for some clients of mine who already host domains with me but do not have websites

    This is so far a very actionable thread and something that i will surely take to action!

    Wow! Just wow!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Kennedy
    I've been looking for a UK alternative to Homestead as I'm not sure whether they can provide .co.uk extensions (which are better for local UK SEO IMHO) and found Create

    They've got 2 reseller packages...Proseller @ £9.95pm (about $15USD) & Proseller Plus @ £19.95pm (about $30)...both with all hosting included...the only limits seeming to be 1000 max pages per package & 1000 MB / 2000MB storage...They also do a free 30 day trial.

    Anyone had any experience with them?

    Anyone got any other alternatives?
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  • Profile picture of the author mcmillad
    Thanks for the best post I have read on this forum so far. I have come back to it several times now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tarsha
    This is one of the best, if not the best, post I have read on this forum. I am actually familiar with Homestead, having dealt with them in the past. I never thought about anything like this before. I have to take action on this. I would be doing myself a huge disservice if I do not. Thank you so much for this post. Truly invaluable.
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  • Profile picture of the author mazo
    John! A Hugh Thank You for starting this thread.
    A real business plan in the making here, for all that will follow it.
    Here it is laid out bare...

    A, Go sign up for a business/reseller hosting account with a site builder. Be it! (Homestead, Webeden, Webdco,Web Studio, or Hostgator.) Just go and do it...

    B, Go make them 100 calls... Sure this is the hard bit and where many off you WILL FALL FLAT.
    Here the thing!! ( You will make 100 calls to people that you will never see. If you do, then you have one more or less on-board. Out of this 100 you will be lucky to get 1-2 clients. That's 98-99 No's, Got one, Don't phone again, F%@k off and Bye.) The important thing is the 1-2 you got, that's $199x2 + $29x2 residual income. Not two bad for five hours on the phone + your web designing...
    Go write them scripts, practice on your friends & family . The skin soon thickens.

    C, Start building the web sites and helping Your Clients. After one or two you will be amazed at how well you can do this.

    Just don't sit back and let this pass you. You Need To Take !!ACTION!!

    John has showing you the door told you the gold is behind it.

    GO NOW AND OPEN THAT DOOR...

    Mazo
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  • Profile picture of the author MWGrubb58
    John,

    I haven't read through the WHOLE thread yet, but this has got to be one of the BEST threads in the forum, period!

    You have cut through the bull and showed EVERYONE how to get up and make some dough. Even the newest of newbies can use this model.

    One thing I've seen from you that I haven't seen from a lot of others, is the rock-solid, in-the-trenches, done-it, no-excuses, type of information that is of EXTREME VALUE.

    My hat is off to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Serendipitous
    I'm going to try this.

    To make this even easier for people (like me) with little to no money to spare, Homestead is now offering a free 30-day trial. No idea how long it lasts.

    Also @ Cliff_Truss: Call the 800 number on the site and find out if they offer co.uk.
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    • Profile picture of the author Avocado
      Just wanted to check back today and let you know my progress!

      Made a website: ehampdesign dot com

      Made some cold calls today, here's the breakdown:

      Left 14 voice mail messages

      I got 5 people live on the phone. out of those, 3 said NO, One said "I might need a website soon" and one said "YES"!

      The one who said "I might need a website soon" was a financial planner, talked my ear off about how he used to do a lot of cold calling back in the day, and invited me to some networking events. Pretty cool.

      This is WORKING and the only thing that was standing in my way was fear. OK, fear is still standing in my way, but I'm actually getting over it. I barely made any calls and I already feel like this is such a viable way to work.

      The adrenaline is still running through my body. I am actually shaking from making these calls, I suppose that will subside with experience though.
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  • This thread is not one of the best on the forum to me, it IS the best.

    I signed up on here in the past trying to make sites with adsense on them and just wasnt getting any traffic and gave up.

    After that I ended up getting a seasonal job for $7.50 an hour, was barely getting 30 hours some week, and on top of that, the season is now over and I am laid off with $197 to my name.

    I decided to come to the warrior forum for some reason, and i'm glad I did.
    This thread seems to be a life changer for anyone who is willing to put in the work.
    I signed up for homestead today and I am half way done with my own website and was playing with the editor all day, I should have my website together tommorow or the next day and I plan on starting to make calls first thing monday morning, I am am very scared but I know if I put my mind to it, I will get over it after a few calls.

    Props to Avacado for taking action, it's a great motivation booster to see progress of others.

    Most of all thank you to John for sharing this amazing info, I am going to put it to great use and I am also planning on purchasing "the bower formula" when I make my first few sales off of this, that thread has amazing info in it aswell and led me to other ideas for this plan.

    I also have a few questions: Does anyone have any tips on how to start off the cold calls? I have never done it before, so I am clueless.


    1. Should you start off by saying "Hi, im such and such from such and such, can I have a few minutes of your time" or " Hi, I was wondering if you have a website?". ect. ect.

    Any tips are appreciated

    2. As far as getting the numbers to call, I have looked through google and alot of times the listings already have websites, I am getting the numbers, but is there a faster way to find more of the listings without websites?


    Thank you also to all who have gave input on the thread, it has helped alot aswell, I feel like this is my last and only shot at making something out of my life.

    I will keep you all updated on my progress

    -Anthony
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    • Profile picture of the author Avocado
      Originally Posted by SuccessOverEverything View Post


      1. Should you start off by saying "Hi, im such and such from such and such, can I have a few minutes of your time" or " Hi, I was wondering if you have a website?". ect. ect.

      Any tips are appreciated

      2. As far as getting the numbers to call, I have looked through google and alot of times the listings already have websites, I am getting the numbers, but is there a faster way to find more of the listings without websites?
      Hi Anthony,
      I can let you know what I'm doing. I'm new to cold calling so some people might have a better way:

      1. I went with an approach that felt comfortable to me. I find it's easiest to first call the business and make sure you are speaking to the owner. Then say, "Hi, I was wondering if you have a website?" If they say "no", say, "My name is XXX and I'm a local web designer in (city). Would you be interested in having me build you a website so you can attract more business from the internet?"

      2. To find businesses, I went to my local chamber of Commerce online and contacted businesses that didn't have a website in their listing. I printed out a list so I could make notes on it as I made my calls.

      I'm getting started again this morning. I'm aiming for 3 sales today. I know that seems high, but I really feel like I can do it. We're getting a snowstorm this afternoon, so I hope that doesn't mean people are closing shop early!

      ~Stacy
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  • Profile picture of the author nssp
    Good post.. I think i will try this out...
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  • Profile picture of the author mcmillad
    John,
    I have been "trying" to get into offline marketing for about a month. I read this post and then I went and bought your wso "The Great Telemarketing Report". That was two days ago. I got on the phone yesterday and on my 3rd call (second live person) I set up a meeting for later this afternoon. Thank you so much for getting me to stop "trying" and just "Do It". It wasn't the information as much as the motivation, but I thank you for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shiva
    thanks john!! great advice!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Voasi
    Originally Posted by BayAreaSteve

    Zikes!!! $2500 recurring for one site!?! ... What services are you providingn for that kind of money ?
    SEO/online marketing mostly, which has various "spokes" to it that can be charged thousands of dollars a month for.

    Conversion strategies - just picked up a client this week and we're doing 90 days at $2k/mo. on conversion optimization (I LOVE this stuff).
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    John man this in when I'm proud to be a member of WF, we need more people like you
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  • Profile picture of the author virtualwhispers
    I dont see a Reseller Package on the Homestead site. Most sites have it right there for you to pick from, but I dont see any packages. Just a signup for get a website.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Kennedy
      Originally Posted by virtualwhispers View Post

      I dont see a Reseller Package on the Homestead site. Most sites have it right there for you to pick from, but I dont see any packages. Just a signup for get a website.
      It's the gold package on the following link...

      Web Hosting Software Packages For Your Website | Homestead
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      • Profile picture of the author wizozz
        Originally Posted by Cliff_Truss View Post

        It's the gold package on the following link...

        Web Hosting Software Packages For Your Website | Homestead
        At this page I see no packages with unlimited domains, the "Business Plus" package only contains 3 domain names, for $49.

        For $45, gogvo.com hosting provides unlimited domain reseller hosting, email autoresponders that you can run on your own domain, lots of templates and tools, and other cool stuff.

        For $25, hostgator.com offers unlimited domain reseller hosing, and lots of templates.

        Both hosting providers also have good affiliate programs.

        I guess another business strategy could be selling simple template-based 3 page web sites as "Free Web Design" when they buy hosting from your link. Profit margins would be less, but sales would be easier.
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        • Profile picture of the author kazmatic
          Ok I jumped on this method as soon as I seen it and today although it is a Sunday I decided to spend my 1st day chasing clients.

          Results
          * Ive secured two clients and another wanted an ecommerce site which I aint sure I can do. I jumped straight in on this method pretty much with no plan just sorta fake it till you make it.

          Client 1 - Is a new buisness so I can build a site with homestead

          Client 2 - Wanted a CMS and 6 page site for a nightclub so I'm thinking of using wordpress. Any other recommendation would be good. I don't think homestead sites provide a CMS like wordpress.

          Potential client 3- Wants a ecommerce site done by Feb 9th. This one I probably cant deliver but if anyone has any suggestions please advice.

          I have not picked up a phone yet but Ive got a friend willing to do it during the week as I work full time in Online Marketing for a company at the moment.

          But early indications shows there's so much potential in this.
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          • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
            Originally Posted by kazmatic View Post

            Ok I jumped on this method as soon as I seen it and today although it is a Sunday I decided to spend my 1st day chasing clients.

            Results
            * Ive secured two clients and another wanted an ecommerce site which I aint sure I can do. I jumped straight in on this method pretty much with no plan just sorta fake it till you make it.

            Client 1 - Is a new buisness so I can build a site with homestead

            Client 2 - Wanted a CMS and 6 page site for a nightclub so I'm thinking of using wordpress. Any other recommendation would be good. I don't think homestead sites provide a CMS like wordpress.

            Potential client 3- Wants a ecommerce site done by Feb 9th. This one I probably cant deliver but if anyone has any suggestions please advice.

            I have not picked up a phone yet but Ive got a friend willing to do it during the week as I work full time in Online Marketing for a company at the moment.

            But early indications shows there's so much potential in this.
            AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


            How did you go about getting the first 2 1/2 ?

            Are these friends?

            A lot of people forget to ask their friends to let thier friends know what we are doing.

            Remember Six Degrees of Separation?
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            • Profile picture of the author kazmatic
              Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

              AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


              How did you go about getting the first 2 1/2 ?

              Are these friends?

              A lot of people forget to ask their friends to let thier friends know what we are doing.

              Remember Six Degrees of Separation?
              One I found through Google as she had advertised she needs a site done and it just happens she lives within 20 mins of me. The other 2 were from an advert I put online.
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  • Profile picture of the author virtualwhispers
    Its the one for $49.99? Its the only one that has Unlimited sites. Hostgator is $24.95 for their Reseller Package, they have great web templates to.

    The one John talked about for 19.99 doesnt look like a reseller package. Your only allowed 3 sites with this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wilter Quesada
      Originally Posted by virtualwhispers View Post

      Its the one for $49.99? Its the only one that has Unlimited sites. Hostgator is $24.95 for their Reseller Package, they have great web templates to.

      The one John talked about for 19.99 doesnt look like a reseller package. Your only allowed 3 sites with this one.
      Any of those will work the only problem that I see with Hostgator that the templates are no that easy to modified in comparison to Homestead.
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  • Profile picture of the author virtualwhispers
    John, will the Homestead 19.99 work with just being allowed 3 sites? Thats a pretty small amount.
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    Ok, great I was wondering how that worked for you.
    Thanks John
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  • Profile picture of the author zoro
    Just thought I should chime in here and alert everyone who live outside the US and have signed up with Homestead.
    If you want to cancel (like I do) it's a major hassel.
    First you must phone them (US Time), then you have to ask if they will remove you from their auto debit system, then you need to supply them with a special security code they suppose to give you, then you need to email them, then you wait, wait, wait. I sitll have'nt heard nothing. I will now need to go to my bank to try and stop future auto debits that way. It's a real pain in the A....!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Kennedy
      Originally Posted by zoro View Post

      Just thought I should chime in here and alert everyone who live outside the US and have signed up with Homestead.
      If you want to cancel (like I do) it's a major hassel.
      First you must phone them (US Time), then you have to ask if they will remove you from their auto debit system, then you need to supply them with a special security code they suppose to give you, then you need to email them, then you wait, wait, wait. I sitll have'nt heard nothing. I will now need to go to my bank to try and stop future auto debits that way. It's a real pain in the A....!!
      Hi zoro

      Sorry to hear of your problem with Homestead.

      Care to share the reason why you want to cancel?

      Regards,

      Cliff
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      • Profile picture of the author zoro
        Originally Posted by Cliff_Truss View Post

        Hi zoro

        Sorry to hear of your problem with Homestead.

        Care to share the reason why you want to cancel?

        Regards,

        Cliff
        I don't have a problem with the Homestead product as such, I just find using WordPress with all the available Free Themes, Plugins, etc, is far easier to work with and more up to date (modern) design wise.

        Also, with Homestead your Locked -in to using only their stuff.

        WordPress is so easy and the 1000,s of Free and paid designs are loved by the search engines. Plus, when you want to hand the site over to your client you just give them the WP Login details and they can easily update most of the site's content themselves.
        I don't want to be a slave to an old HTML system that my client would find difficult to update themselves.
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          • Profile picture of the author BillyParadise
            Count me into the Wordpress camp. Why? Because you are not beholden to a hosting company. From the glowing reviews here, it seems Homestead is a decent hosting company. But times change, management changes... everything changes quickly online. If you spend the time to learn Wordpress (it's REALLY not hard at all), you will, apart from making easily editable,well ranking, nice lookin' sites, make portable websites - don't like your current hosting company? Move it!

            I like my clients to be sticky. I hate my suppliers to be sticky.
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by BillyParadise View Post

              Count me into the Wordpress camp. Why? Because you are not beholden to a hosting company. From the glowing reviews here, it seems Homestead is a decent hosting company. But times change, management changes... everything changes quickly online. If you spend the time to learn Wordpress (it's REALLY not hard at all), you will, apart from making easily editable,well ranking, nice lookin' sites, make portable websites - don't like your current hosting company? Move it!

              I like my clients to be sticky. I hate my suppliers to be sticky.
              What do you see about my post above that doesnt say "Portable"? Thanks for reading BTW.
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              • Profile picture of the author bradlean
                I think they cannot generate money if they really don't know about basic html.

                Like example backlinking, It needs to have a background about basic html.

                Inserting a text base link or image base link.
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                • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                  Originally Posted by bradlean View Post

                  I think they cannot generate money if they really don't know about basic html.

                  Like example backlinking, It needs to have a background about basic html.

                  Inserting a text base link or image base link.
                  They already ARE generating money without HTML knowledge.

                  I personally have websites that make me money every single day... and I dont know a single LICK of html.

                  You dont have to be a technician to make a sale. Thats the point of the thread.
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                  • Profile picture of the author bradlean
                    Yah you right no need for basic html knowledge...

                    Kinda wonder... why you put a link in your signature file? I think you are the technician. Lol!



                    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

                    They already ARE generating money without HTML knowledge.

                    I personally have websites that make me money every single day... and I dont know a single LICK of html.

                    You dont have to be a technician to make a sale. Thats the point of the thread.
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                    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                      Originally Posted by bradlean View Post

                      Yah you right no need for basic html knowledge...

                      Kinda wonder... why you put a link in your signature file? I think you are the technician. Lol!
                      Yeah I know enough to make a hyperlink... wouldnt call myself a rocket scientist for it exactly though! lol

                      Funny thought... I was actually selling websites at Com 1 way before I figured out how to make a hyperlink...
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                      • Profile picture of the author bradlean
                        Yeah peace bro!
                        Lol!

                        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

                        Yeah I know enough to make a hyperlink... wouldnt call myself a rocket scientist for it exactly though! lol

                        Funny thought though... I was actually selling websites way before I figured out how to make a hyperlink at Com 1...
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          • Profile picture of the author Randy Miller
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


            My home is located at 4203 Cherokee rd. Rogers Ar, 72758

            Nothing to hide here.

            Here, I'll save you the trouble: 4203 Cherokee rd. Rogers Ar, 72758 - Google Maps

            SURE...... Now you're trying to drive up property values in Arkansas. It won't work, I'm not leaving Colorado
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  • Profile picture of the author jslee
    By the way HTML is not that difficult. You could learn pretty fast. Use Frontpage or some other program. Then you could just copy any template you want. There is no copyrights on templates. For example, on Fronpage, just enter the url of the site and import. The website template will be downloaded for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author lewiswharf
      Originally Posted by jslee View Post

      By the way HTML is not that difficult.
      I think you're misunderstanding the point that is made within this thread. HTML is very difficult to understand by those off-line that do not have considerable knowledge of the web. Most small and medium businesses fall into this group.

      Just because it comes easy to you and me doesn't mean it is easy to the rest of the world. That is why there is an opportunity.
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    How come after 50 posts from the OP the thread is locked? Shouldn't there be an exception for such an amazing thread?
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    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    ...Don't let anyone lie to you.
    Great post John and I particularly like the above statement because its important to know that everyone makes mistakes - Its called experience, and no matter what anyone says about whether an individual should or shouldn't, or doesn't have the 'right to be working with local businesses because they're not 'qualified' it's all not true.

    You can do this provided you have a plan, you stick to it and you take daily action.

    It's never too late to get started now.

    BAYO
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      Originally Posted by Wilter Quesada View Post

      Any of those will work the only problem that I see with Hostgator that the templates are no that easy to modified in comparison to Homestead.
      Exactly, I tried going from homestead to hostgator as everyone here had suggested... awhile back, and it was about 10 times harder to manipulate the templates, not nearly amount the options either. I ended up hiring someone to do it for me, and went back to homestead.

      I'll be honest too... I havent seen any WP websites that blow my socks off.... alot of them look basically the same to me... with just theme changes... I can almost tell one by looking at it. Maybe thats just me.

      Originally Posted by virtualwhispers View Post

      John, will the Homestead 19.99 work with just being allowed 3 sites? Thats a pretty small amount.
      You can easily add domains for two dollars per month per domain/site. So in essence it cost you 2.00 per month per client.

      Originally Posted by RaptorGabe View Post

      John man this in when I'm proud to be a member of WF, we need more people like you
      Thanks Brother , That means alot. Being a part of the WF is a special thing. We should all be proud this a great place full of great people. I know some other sites say we are "inflated" with ourselves... but this is truly the greatest IM community on the planet! They are all just haters! Allen is the man!

      Originally Posted by jeffrey73 View Post

      Exactly! Maybe not the most popular, but definitely one of the most truthful.
      Thanks man!!! You guys are awesome.

      The truth will set people free... no doubt, and I guess the evidence shows that SALES are in fact happening now for alot of the people who have read this thread!

      Im am very humbled and blessed to see that it has affected so many people! Have gotten numerous money making reports from this... people making their first sales..

      Just tellin it like it is! Dont anyone hate me for it! I come in peace!!!

      I learned it HERE at the WF myself 10 or 11 years ago. Found the internet, landed and offline salesmanager position over 100 Telemarketers, and found the Warrior forum all in the same month!

      Prior to that month I had never even been online... I got a job managing telemarketers who were selling websites... and I had never even SEEN one...

      Now I can build em, sell em, and ten years later Im a senior warrior, who has helped other people succeed just like the early warriors helped me... oh and also I make my entire living from the Internet, just like my heros did back then!

      Is that awesome or what?

      Very exciting time looking back!


      Originally Posted by zoro View Post

      I don't have a problem with the Homestead product as such, I just find using WordPress with all the available Free Themes, Plugins, etc, is far easier to work with and more up to date (modern) design wise.

      Also, with Homestead your Locked -in to using only their stuff.

      WordPress is so easy and the 1000,s of Free and paid designs are loved by the search engines. Plus, when you want to hand the site over to your client you just give them the WP Login details and they can easily update most of the site's content themselves.
      I don't want to be a slave to an old HTML system that my client would find difficult to update themselves.
      Not really.

      Darren from Graphics Genie ( A popular WF designer) creates sites and graphics for me all the time from his own web program, or from scratch and uploads them to my hosting acct at homestead, using domains I registered with homestead.

      I am also able to import domains I have bought elsewhere into my homestead acct, and also point domains I bought from homestead to other hosts... been doing it for years now.

      Its not as limited as it seems at first glance...

      But YES LewisWharf is correct, thats not what this thread is about.

      Honestly, having clients update themselves is a bigger headache and will cause you more CS than just doing the updates for them in my experience.

      People make a big deal like you are gonna have to do 100 updates per day... In my experience clients hardly ever ask for an update, those requests are few and far between...

      Also, you wanna talk about customer service?

      After trying to walk a client through their control panel 4 times every time they want to update and getting rung off the hook all day having to explain the details of a control panel to them, even after you already explained 3 times... you will usually be saying "Maybe it will be easier if I just do it for you this time".

      I think alot of these ideas floating around are more speculation than real world experience, because customers updating... thats just not a MAJOR issue...

      Any customer even smart enough to use the control panel could probably build the site too.

      Example: Here is a site that I did not design, Darren did, and its not designed with the homestead program, its designed by Darren with his own tools...yet it
      is uploaded to my homestead domain using a URL that I registered through homestead... or maybe its my homestead registered URL but uploaded to amazon or something... I dont know but either way, it disproves the inflexible theory...

      Telemarketing Free Audio Series

      This isnt a sale pitch that costs money its a free audio... so Im not putting this link here for that purpose, only for demonstration purposes to answer the question. I make no money when someone clicks the above link.

      BTW The Address on the Whois for this domain (For all of those whom like to google people) is not my home.

      My home is located at 4203 Cherokee rd. Rogers Ar, 72758

      Nothing to hide here.

      Here, I'll save you the trouble: