"Paul Myers Thud Factor" Needed - ALL STAR PROJECT-BE IN THE GREATEST WSO IN WF HISTORY!

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KIM Winfrey needs our Help!!!

Lets talk,

I dont have a huge list, because I am primarily an offliner, and Im not really that big a gun around here...My list may be 1500, and I have sent this out twice. But I KNOW... that I could make 50k promoting a web page if my life depended on it... and alot of other people here know they could too... thats not beyond a warrior.

Now Im not suggesting that anyone put up a big 10k donation here... I certainly do not have 10k that I could put up... most people dont, HOWEVER...

WE ARE MARKETERS!!!!!

We specialize in making 10k happen one sale at a time. This is what we do at the warrior forum...

So here is one of the many great proposals you will see on this subject.

I hope this one sticks, and Im telling you before you read it that it WILL ABSOLUTELY WORK.


A: We need all stars...
  • Im talking Willie Crawfords, Maria Gudelis, Brad Gosse, Steven Waggenheim... We need Wf MONSTERS!!! Im talking Paul Meyers... Yeah! Bring out the BIG DADDY GUNS.
To do what?

B: Donate even ONE short report... maybe write one, or maybe one thats already been written... for instance one of Paul Meyers NEWSLETTERS is better than half the reports Ive read out there.... seriously, have you ever checked out the "Thud" factor? Just the email newsletter inspired my last WSO which got wso of the day and was just mindblowing generated 18k in sales (Only 30% was my portion) .... anyway, All based on Pauls article.
  • If we can get 10 Big Guns like that.
  • For instance I KNOW Micahel Hiles Would do it. He's a monster.
  • All we need is even 5 page articles really by Big guns...
  • George Wright Im sure could make a brilliant contribution!
3: Create All Star WSO and Call it "Making Money Warrior Style"... Top gun Warriors sharing their most intimate money making secrets.... or something...

Now Im gonna ask you to believe something with me...

Do you believe that we could sell 2 hundred copies of that in a month?

I do. Thats almost 20k in one WSO in one month... over the year, if you leave it alone and never bump it again, it might still sell another 100 copies, and that makes it 30k.

You can do that with nobody's help... if you work your ass off.

But thats not the only thing...

You get a JV with WSO pro, and you could sell another 300 copies in one single day...!

So how can we make this happen guys?

I think the beggining is

A: Gathering an email list of Big Guns, little guns welcome too, but we really need some big endorsements.

B: Gathering report donations from the big guns.

C: Im volunteering to put the package together with my Webdesign Partner Darren (Graphics Genie), complete with the Warrior forums finest graphics, by the WFS most preferred Graphic designer.

D: We list it all in the WSO Section with WSO Pro, and actively begin promoting the affiliate program

E: Lastly, (so as not to create a program that is co dependent) we campaign to people with HUGE lists.... and ask them to do the greatest thing a human can do, and reach out to its own kind with caring and compassion.

Listen, I dont give a damn about saving the turtles... personally I think they make great guitar picks, but KIM is a human just like you.... one of your own kind..... no one is asking you to do anything major but if you have something, maybe some old valuable report that you havent thought of in years, and you have some INFLUENCE... please take the time to say "Sure, lemme throw in my 2 cents and see if what these guys in the off topic forum are saying here can really happen... I would love to think that my report helped raise 50,000 for Kim".

BTW Off topic is cool too. Its not just a sandbox you get stuck in... you ought to try it.

Anyway,

I know one thing... this will be the most important thing I participate in all year personally, I know if you participate it will be for you too...

I know it will happn... the thing that concerns is this:

Are we gonna make it look hard?

Let it be said that the Warriors pulled this truly small feat off without a hitch...

Big Guys, Please, will you help us make this happen?

I am taking report donations at johndurham1969@yahoo.com

Trust me, you will get big props for this too. We will advertise you as what you are, a HERO... a cornerstone within the cornerstone (WF) of the internet marketing community.

Basically we will IMMORTALIZE you.

LET HISTORY SAY THIS WAS EASY FOR THE WARRIORS AND THEY HANDLED IT LIKE NOTHING!

Ps. I know Im probably not saying anything that hasnt been said before here, and others have been effective in raising thousands with WSO's, but how much more if they had contributions from someone like YOU?

Are you a Warrior Big Gun...? Cause Im telling you we are gonna make it happen and whoever contributes to this is gonna be imortalized as one in what will go down as the greatest WSO in warrior history.

And more importantly, you will be a part of saving Kims life!

Lets just attack it in a big rush and nail it and knock it over.

Hope to see you participate.

Now , if what this post did was inspire you to write a wso instead of donating a report, then good for you, but please donate when you make your first sales...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Note to the "small guns"... if you have a short report you can spare, and you have 40 dollars to donate, why dont you run a wso with the report and the forty bucks.... then you can turn your forty dollar donation into a $400 donation by the wso sales?

    We are marketers... I consider that idea handing something "Warrior Style". Thats how Im gonna do it... because lets say I only have 40 bucks to spare.... why not multiply it?

    Isnt that fundamental warrior behavour? If this was "warrior labor and delivery" would that be considered normal development?

    Lol. JK... Good idea though. It will work. Focus on things that "work".

    What are you getting in exchange for this...? You get ME, telling YOU to take something you know and forty bucks and turn it into $400. here at the warrior forum.


    Later, after you do this, you are gonna come back and say "John Durham encouraged me to do my first wso, now I have another way to multiply my income..." plus you will have planted the first seed of your new stream for a good cause.
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    • Profile picture of the author JTzor
      John - email me through my email account plz - I cant stand emailing through this forum - 10 email limit!!!

      I have three (3) ebooks that I have written for my fitness business - email me and lets get some money raised for Kim Winfrey.

      - JT

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        ps - the name of my fitness group is Spartan Fitness Warriors - so in a way, a warrior is helping a warrior

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Rock on! Thats what Im talking about!!!! Nobody needs fitness more than aspiring marketers! lol

    Email on the way!

    What if we could bundle 50 great reports in one!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Wow I guess we are all too busy... its okay, it took me months to see this message myself... Thanks goes out people like JT, Lisa Gergits and Hey Sal....Bkay... a few others... AWESOME!!! True Warriors who care about their comrads.

      You know it has to do alot with Abraham Maslow... when you are secure you can give... but when you are insecure, you dont have time to look up from the hand to mouth action enough to notice something like this... even though , when we are in our right minds and not in survival mode, we see that giving, and looking out for the team, is the key to survival.

      Still Im not gonna release it until its the hottest product on the warrior forum and it has that "THUD" factor that Paul Meyers talks about... when it does and when its released, alot of people are going to say "Man I wish I would have gotten in on that...".

      I am trying to rationalize my disapointment here in some of my own great and fearless hero's here for not responding... and Im sure there will be a good reason that I just wasnt seeing... For now it feels very disapointing. However only simple people jump to conclusions, so lets not, and keep our eyes on the prize.

      Either way its gonna happen, so we arent deterred from our goal, there were just some people I was hoping would jump to our aid on this.

      You know one thing I can say proudly?

      When my people invest in buying my reports... I FRICKIN INVEST BACK IN THEM for the gesture!!!

      When someone shows me that they think enough to support my ideas... I support theirs too!

      How awesome to have people that believe in you....

      Well big guns... Im still believing.... this thread is still here... We are either gonna prove what great leaders you were to chip in and help.... or we are gonna prove that we did it without any help from hero's, because they werent interested.

      Ps. Thank you HEY SAL, and JT, just got your emails. So let the worlds greatest WSO start forming!
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      • Profile picture of the author JTzor
        JD, let me know how you want to proceed, I have the ebooks and other articles and reports that I have written, I have a Spartan Fitness Warriors Facebook Group, whatever and however I can avail myself - maybe this will spark an idea in someone else reading this as to how to incorporate what you have been talking about with what some of the fellow warriors have to offer.

        Let me know.

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        • Profile picture of the author TrekkieGrrrl
          John -

          I don't have a lot of clout here, or a big list.

          However...

          If we can get 50 Warriors to each pledge to raise $1000 each - however they can - then we reach our $50,000 goal.

          I can write. I have contacts. I have Twitter accounts and I have friends. I'll work on a report for a WSO. I'll collect spare change. Whatever it takes.

          I will pledge to raise $1000 for Kim.

          Only 49 more people to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    Yea, I do not have a big list or much clout here in the Warrior Forum, but I will do what I can.

    I set aside 10% of all sales each month to be donated to a local charity, but will donate to Kim.
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    • Profile picture of the author JTzor
      Terkkie Girl an ADukes, please email me - I want to brainstorm on something with you guys as I just had an idea.

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      • Profile picture of the author TrekkieGrrrl
        Just wanted to add:

        I think the WSO idea is a great one.

        I've organized $50,000+ fundraisers before (for a local charity). We would find team leaders that each had a goal.

        In this case, if we can find 50 Warriors that each agree to help raise $1000 - emailing their lists, product sales, etc. - or 25 Warriors that will raise $2000 each, etc., then the goal can be approached in a more organized fashion. Heck, 10 Warriors that can raise $5000 will work.

        If we have a year, then $1000 is only $84 a month. $5000 is $417 a month.

        It's quite doable.

        I'll help however I can.
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      • Profile picture of the author TrekkieGrrrl
        Originally Posted by JTzor View Post

        Terkkie Girl an ADukes, please email me - I want to brainstorm on something with you guys as I just had an idea.

        JTZOR@YAHOO.COM <-- personal email
        Email sent.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Ah,

          My TMF People coming to the rescue! Thanks guys!
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    If you name your new born John Jr we are in John!

    Action speaks louder than words....

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...er-ever-6.html

    Another WF member paid thread "hijacked" for the "Kidney Kings" Fund, hats off to Alex from Foureer.com for DOING!

    Any help you need John, fire it over buddy!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Rock N Roll. This is gonna happen! Sorry I have been running back and forth to the hospital... she still isnt out...Nothing major, but they decided to watch the baby for another day or two. So Im running kids back and forth to school, picking up birthday cakes... Hopefully Bon will be back home tomorrow and all will be normal again...
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  • Profile picture of the author Harbourmaster
    I'm In..... this makes the junk that's going on in my messy life seem so trivial by comparison that it's not even funny....

    Not sure what I can contribute at this point but I'm sure something will come to me if I just open my mind and listen for guidance.....
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Harbourmaster View Post

      I'm In..... this makes the junk that's going on in my messy life seem so trivial by comparison that it's not even funny....

      Not sure what I can contribute at this point but I'm sure something will come to me if I just open my mind and listen for guidance.....

      What you got bro? I know you have a couple of killer products! Now we're talking... I was thinking of maybe throwing in a custom call list along with a valuable report...

      Lets build $1,000 in value and sell it for $97, and make an initial goal to sell 100 copies = roughly 10k.

      I think thats doable without any outside assistance.


      Now.... we are starting to thud a little... Meyers would be proud.... still need more thud factor though.... Lets keep it coming!
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Emailed you JT. Do you guys want me to include the great telemarketing report, or would you rather see me write something new?

        If so, on what subject?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Emailed you JT. Do you guys want me to include the great telemarketing report, or would you rather see me write something new?

          If so, on what subject?
          I have not seen your telemarketing report before and I don't know how many others have. What are you selling it for currently?

          Also sent you an email but I don't think you replied.
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          • Profile picture of the author JTzor
            Marketing and Sales big John - that is the essence of what IMers do

            How about essentials of salesmanship - translating emotion and message into a powerful ad (sales page, copy, etc).

            What do you think>? Up for the task?

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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

            I have not seen your telemarketing report before and I don't know how many others have. What are you selling it for currently?

            Also sent you an email but I don't think you replied.
            I gotcha Mike... You Rock! emailed. It just took me a minute. Wifes in the hospital. Im Mr. Mom tonight getting kids to bed and getting their clothes laid out for tomorrow...

            Glamorous I know.

            Originally Posted by JTzor View Post

            Marketing and Sales big John - that is the essence of what IMers do

            How about essentials of salesmanship - translating emotion and message into a powerful ad (sales page, copy, etc).

            What do you think>? Up for the task?

            - JT
            I will offer a short "JD" style lesson here. Not that Im a pro.

            Here's the esscence of good sales copy IMHO:

            A: Only talk about Sh** you Know and are passionate about.
            B: Know it well, and like the back of your hand, because 100 people will want to debate with you; really, really SMART people! lol

            Tell your story with all of your heart, and let the words that could only come from experience prove their own authenticity! If you are a poser, there are about 100 warriors who will take you down before you sell 15 reports.

            Challenge people!

            Ask them a rhetorical question:

            "Are you smarter than a fifth grader"?

            Engage them.

            Ask for the sale. Call them to action.

            Lastly,

            Make an irresistible offer, where the buyer wins!

            Er....uh... I mean "LASTLY";

            "Create a follow up system that offers superior customer support". If they have a great experience with you, then thats the best advertising ever.

            Ps. If you are a pro Copy writer and have better advice than Im giving here... then please donate a report!
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            • Profile picture of the author JTzor
              JD - awesome awesome awesome

              I think this in itself can be a mind map, a power point presentation, and a pdf
              You just created a nice little report!

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              • Profile picture of the author onemind
                Ah this looks nice! Ha at first I thought it said "paul myers the turd factor" and I thought "wow finally someone with some cojones speaks out here!

                still though anyway, anything for a good cause! I hope this works out, a good mega ebook would be nice and surely would make enough. I would buy it...
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                • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                  Originally Posted by onemind View Post

                  still though anyway, anything for a good cause! I hope this works out, a good mega ebook would be nice and surely would make enough. I would buy it...
                  Word Up...!
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  • Profile picture of the author JTzor
    UPDATE

    We have some momentum going - the good folks from the Warrior Forum have been emailing me with their desire to get things going - if anyone wants to help out and get something put together, please email me. <-- JTZOR@YAHOO.COM

    PS - JOHN I WISH YOUR FAMILY ALL THE BEST
    Keep us posted please
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Well there is a complication actually,but we are trying not to worry ... with a heart valve not closing. They are gonna be in for a couple more days probably, but Im still gonna be on top of this as well. They have internet at the hospital too.

    A friend of mine once told me, there's an excuse sometimes for being out of commission for a day, sometimes two days... but life doesnt excuse us.... so we cant stay out of commission for like weeks at a time or anything... come what may the show has to go on.

    Newbies take note... this is what warriors do... we dont let grass grow under our feet... we may whine but we dont whine long... we get back up and get the show back on the road, because if you arent taking action , then there aint no action!!!!

    If you arent putting something out.... then when you open your mailbox, there isnt gonna be anything IN.
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    • Profile picture of the author JTzor
      Stay strong brother - check your email too

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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    OK... I'll muster something together.
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    I emailed a couple of things to you Hohn.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Yeah we are really getting some support together... YAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The Monster Mike Hiles is gonna jump in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dub thee "Hiles The Monster Hearted".

    The thud factor is building here (Thanks {Paul Meyers for teaching me that)... like a volcano.... I have one more right (Potential Report Donor) now that may turn out to be a monster too...

    You guys are awesome!!!!! Just mail any report donations to johndurham1969@yahoo.com, here in a couple of days when we see what we have together Darren and I will create a KILLER web presentation...

    Im thinking "We are the Warriors".... Kinda like "We are the World".

    It would be great to raise the first 10k in April!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Yeah we are really getting some support together... YAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      The Monster Mike Hiles is gonna jump in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dub thee "Hiles The Monster Hearted".

      The thud factor is building here (Thanks {Paul Meyers for teaching me that)... like a volcano.... I have one more right (Potential Report Donor) now that may turn out to be a monster too...

      You guys are awesome!!!!! Just mail any report donations to johndurham1969@yahoo.com, here in a couple of days when we see what we have together Darren and I will create a KILLER web presentation...

      Im thinking "We are the Warriors".... Kinda like "We are the World".

      It would be great to raise the first 10k in April!
      I'd be glad to help John. I know what it's like to have Kidney disease(my dad has had it for my whole life).

      I sent you a PM with details.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

        I'd be glad to help John. I know what it's like to have Kidney disease(my dad has had it for my whole life).

        I sent you a PM with details.
        Wow awesome contribution!!!!!!!!! People will really value your report, we are gonna have a bunch of great warrior style money making wsos here... and we are just beginning.

        You guys are great, and hey Im gonna donate one too.... so if Im leading you into a ditch here.... Im goin down with you.... If thats any consolation...:confused:

        Keep growin seed. We arent done yet.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Wow awesome contribution!!!!!!!!! People will really value your report, we are gonna have a bunch of great warrior style money making wsos here... and we are just beginning.

          You guys are great, and hey Im gonna donate one too.... so if Im leading you into a ditch here.... Im goin down with you.... If thats any consolation...:confused:

          Keep growin seed. We arent done yet.
          Thanks John. It is great that you are contributing a report too! I mean working on organizing this whole thing is a big contribution on its own.

          I really hope that this gets a ton of sales too and you know what? I might purchase a copy myself!
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        • Profile picture of the author JTzor
          John D,

          If you are still on/awake, check your email real quick - need to chat with you.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Maria Gudelis is Innit like Bennit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We may have this thing ready to launch by monday. Its gonna be a monster, and its all for you Kim Baby... when it comes to making money appear out of thin (cyber) air, your fellow warriors are the INTERNETS VERY VERY BEST!


    And we learned it all right here folks from the very people who are chipping reports into this here project like Maria Gudelis and Brad Gosse, and Hey Sal, and more... you will be surprised... we learned the skillz that pay the bills from these very people, and when you buy this upcoming report you will not only be getting that but also...

    You will be saving another warriors life "Warrior Style".

    Let it be said that the warriors are self sufficent. We dont have time to wait on no stinkin charity... we do things warrior style... and "wait" later.

    This is a place where action can make anything happen... waiting for the perfect timing only creates desperation.

    Why do you think its the greatest forum in the world?


    PS. Okay, are you guys ready for another great WSO launching secret?

    Im gonna tell you, but first you have to promise you will use it to help launch this wso for kim!
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    • Profile picture of the author JTzor
      Quick update - please check your email

      ps - how is the family?

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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    John are you just wanting written reports? Or are we also talking about multimedia stuff like video?
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    • Profile picture of the author JTzor
      WSO is shaping up to big diverse and mega quality

      Feel free to incorporate anything cogent and quality that you wish to add in.

      John's goal is to make this WSO worth over $1k so anything that you feel you can contribute that you feel is quality would be appreciated.

      I am nobody special, and I only know JD and Kim from this thread - but i am sure that JD would mirror my sentiments that all the positive karma and thoughts on this thread by all participants are HUMBLING, APPRECIATED, and show the BEST SIDE of OUR WARRIORS.

      Everyone struggles through life in their own way, and we may all have our personal hurdles to overcome and crosses to bear, but having a support group and system in place like the Warriors makes life that much more beautiful.

      Blessed regards to all

      - JT


      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      John are you just wanting written reports? Or are we also talking about multimedia stuff like video?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
        Originally Posted by JTzor View Post

        WSO is shaping up to big diverse and mega quality

        Feel free to incorporate anything cogent and quality that you wish to add in.

        John's goal is to make this WSO worth over $1k so anything that you feel you can contribute that you feel is quality would be appreciated.

        I am nobody special, and I only know JD and Kim from this thread - but i am sure that JD would mirror my sentiments that all the positive karma and thoughts on this thread by all participants are HUMBLING, APPRECIATED, and show the BEST SIDE of OUR WARRIORS.

        Everyone struggles through life in their own way, and we may all have our personal hurdles to overcome and crosses to bear, but having a support group and system in place like the Warriors makes life that much more beautiful.

        Blessed regards to all

        - JT
        I agree. The warrior forum is an awesome place. Where would we all be without it? Like really?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      John are you just wanting written reports? Or are we also talking about multimedia stuff like video?

      Michael, video has percieved value... any kind of media aside from written kinda seems more valuable I dont know why, so yeah that would be awesome.... it would be great to have a little of everything, and truly deliver a mind blowing package to the people who support with their purchase.

      I dont see anything wrong with using your contribution as a loss leader either, or including affiliate links... you should absolutely be able to benefit as well from contributing, even though I know thats not the primary reason. This can be win,win,win.

      I really liked rereading this thread. My favortie line in it is by trekkie girls "I think its quite doable".

      I do too.... I think this is quite doable. Heck back in my call center days I ran a room that did 20k per DAY for antidrug awareness... 50k in a couple of months is nothing for fundraising. However I have never done it with a wso.... basic timeless principles should be the same.

      Sales is sales, and fundraising is fundraising.... just a different medium.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    OMG!!!

    The support on this is phenomenal...

    Wow.

    JT You are invaluable! Amazing amount of zeal for this cause , mind blowing really. Just got back from the hospital. Wife and Baby home settling back in, looks like things are gonna smoothly transition back to normality around here... I must have made 50 trips back and forth to the hospital in the last 3 days.

    Anyway, ready to rock now!

    Tomorrow Im going to have a call with Mrs. CRAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZYY Extraordinary Maria Gudelis, and one more person to talk to that will be mind blowing here... and then I think it will be time to pull out the BIG gun

    "Graphics Genie".... to work the magic on it.

    I have to tell you guys I love working with Darren... he and I get an idea, and just say to each other "You ready to rock for about 7 hours straight"?

    and we do, we get on skype and knock out MAJOR projects within 6-7 hours, arm and arm the whole time, just like we were working right next to each other... we have had some 12 hour shifts too.... he's my partner... anyway... We are gonna TEAR UP the presentation on this!

    You will be proud to be a part. Still trying to catch up all the emails... if we havent mentioned you here, you havent been forgotten... and we really appreciate the contributions.

    This is is gonna BLOW UP!

    Please keep the report donations coming, the more THUD factor we have, the faster we can knock out this 50k for Kim, and everybody can get on with their business... especially KIM.

    Ps. You know the first time I ever exchanged words with Darren , it was on a thread where people were discussing partnership.... and he scolded me because I made the statement that "Partnerships dont work, because anything with two heads is a freak..."lol

    He corrected me and said partnerships could work.... never spoke another word for months.... then months later we ended up working on a project ironically, and we enjoyed it so much that we formed a partnership.... and I have been learning from Darren every since that he was right. Its been great for both of us!

    Use your membership to the community here to create great work relationshiops folks... it really pays off. There are alot of great warriors to work with here.... Just a side note, because Im a teacher and so I teach wherever the opportunity shows itself..
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      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      OMG!!!

      The support on this is phenomenal...

      Wow.

      JT You are invaluable! Amazing amount of zeal for this cause , mind blowing really. Just got back from the hospital. Wife and Baby home settling back in, looks like things are gonna smoothly transition back to normality around here... I must have made 50 trips back and forth to the hospital in the last 3 days.

      Anyway, ready to rock now!

      Tomorrow Im going to have a call with Mrs. CRAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZYY Extraordinary Maria Gudelis, and one more person to talk to that will be mind blowing here... and then I think it will be time to pull out the BIG gun

      "Graphics Genie".... to work the magic on it.

      I have to tell you guys I love working with Darren... he and I get an idea, and just say to each other "You ready to rock for about 7 hours straight"?

      and we do, we get on skype and knock out MAJOR projects within 6-7 hours, arm and arm the whole time, just like we were working right next to each other... we have had some 12 hour shifts too.... he's my partner... anyway... We are gonna TEAR UP the presentation on this!

      You will be proud to be a part. Still trying to catch up all the emails... if we havent mentioned you here, you havent been forgotten... and we really appreciate the contributions.

      This is is gonna BLOW UP!

      Please keep the report donations coming, the more THUD factor we have, the faster we can knock out this 50k for Kim, and everybody can get on with their business... especially KIM.

      Ps. You know the first time I ever exchanged words with Darren , it was on a thread where people were discussing partnership.... and he scolded me because I made the statement that "Partnerships dont work, because anything with two heads is a freak..."lol

      He corrected me and said partnerships could work.... never spoke another word for months.... then months later we ended up working on a project ironically, and we enjoyed it so much that we formed a partnership.... and I have been learning from Darren every since that he was right. Its been great for both of us!

      Use your membership to the community here to create great work relationshiops folks... it really pays off. There are alot of great warriors to work with here.... Just a side note, because Im a teacher and so I teach wherever the opportunity shows itself..
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    CAn everyone donate a report?
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    I want to hear the 3 words!!!
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      Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

      I want to hear the 3 words!!!

      Start A Fire.

      You want to learn Adukes? I will teach you. I owe your Mutha a fava....

      Hang tight Im gonna show you the very first key to launching a SUCESSFUL wso START A FIRE!

      You see I learned a secret by accident not long ago..... completely by accident..... then when the accident happened twice, I paid attention the second time... then I learned that OTHERS were trying to create that accident ON PURPOSE, because it was one of the greatest WSO launching secrets of all time....

      Brb. Im gonna tell you the secret Adukes.... because if I ever die :rolleyes: and you have to take over TMF you will need to know it. BRB.

      So now as a teacher I will wait for you to ask me. What does start a fire mean and why are you making me ask you.....?

      The answer will become clear, and self evident.

      In about 3 more posts.
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    Although I'm struggling to come up with the money to save my family from becoming homeless, Kim is in an even worse predicament than me. His life is at stake here, and struggle or no struggle, I'm going to do my best to help him get the money he needs for his transplant.

    I don't have any money to donate to him at the moment, but I will contribute what I can. I am going to write a short report for this mega WSO, and I'll send that over to you John once it's complete. Furthermore, I'm going to make a pledge of $1000 for Kim W. I do plan to run a WSO soon, and when I do, I'll donate a portion of each sale until I hit that mark.

    As for now, I'm adding a link to my signature to help raise immediate awareness for Kim's cause. I hope that what I do, though it may not be as grand as some, will truly be of help to Kim.

    And to you Kim, best regards and many blessings!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by GStevens View Post

      Although I'm struggling to come up with the money to save my family from becoming homeless, Kim is in an even worse predicament than me. His life is at stake here, and struggle or no struggle, I'm going to do my best to help him get the money he needs for his transplant.

      I don't have any money to donate to him at the moment, but I will contribute what I can. I am going to write a short report for this mega WSO, and I'll send that over to you John once it's complete. Furthermore, I'm going to make a pledge of $1000 for Kim W. I do plan to run a WSO soon, and when I do, I'll donate a portion of each sale until I hit that mark.

      As for now, I'm adding a link to my signature to help raise immediate awareness for Kim's cause. I hope that what I do, though it may not be as grand as some, will truly be of help to Kim.

      And to you Kim, best regards and many blessings!

      Thats awesome of you! Why not run a wso and make a few hundred for your family and donate a portion to kim! I'll bet that would work!

      Im gonna start saving my posts in case we get into some deep teaching on this thread , the OP can only have fifty posts, and Im waiting for some great teaching thought to be inspired.

      Still waiting for someone to ask me what the 3 words mean.

      I cannot make a thread that someone doesnt pop up later and say "I made money off of reading that thread"...

      So this thread is gonna get deep... just letting the ball start rolling.

      Im in the mood to tell some "Secrets".
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    Well John, if I was going to take a guess, I would have to say you have already started a fire.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Well John, if I was going to take a guess, I would have to say you have already started a fire.
      He sure has Kim. We are going to get a lot of money for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

      Well John, if I was going to take a guess, I would have to say you have already started a fire.

      Why Thank you Kim for bringing it up, as a matter of fact...

      Indeed.... we have a little spark but its not a fire yet.

      Man I do it to my own jeoaprdy sometimes, but I MUST share... I just have to... Call me stupid...

      Totally smart in some areas and totally dumb in some others... I dont know if giving is my strength or weakness...

      Some would say telling you what Im about to tell you is a weakness...

      But I want to tell you a story, and I want to do it for free.

      I want to share. Some people will get an epiphany and make money from this. Is it okay to do a Looong post?

      Im sitting here watching a baby and a recovering woman. I got nothin better to do.

      Have to let it out sometimes.

      This is the best place I can think of to spend some free time. Right here on this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

      Let it out John!
      Indeed. Adukes...

      Okay, here we go. lol

      Two and a half years ago, I had just come through a fairly rough patch and had made it through to the other side by making a couple of overseas export sales... so I was sitting pretty, prosperity had returned to my life... I was surfing the warrior forum and happened to mention the deal.

      The next thing you know 2 or three people start asking questions right?

      That was a

      A: "Spark".

      So what do I do? I start answering the questions in like 5 paragraphs...you know me.

      And a bunch of people start reading all the content... next thing you know Im answering questions left and right... I was too dumb to notice the amount of impressions... I had never thought of anything like a wso...

      So I look up and all the sudden within 24 hours there were over 2000 "views".... I just thought "Wow. I didnt realize there would be all this interest". Next thing you know the thread has 5,000 views within like a week... Thats a "Fire".

      What did I do with the fire?

      I was really ignorant. My mailbox was blowing up with people saying "Please make a wso , I will buy it...".

      But I had never thought of anything like that, I was just "sharing" something that was fascinating...

      Eventually I shared too much, because when the OP has 50 posts in a thread it gets locked and sinks into the bottom of the abyss... so that thread is now the titanic.

      Shall I go on?

      Okay I will.

      The following year I spent developing an offline business and making a couple more liquidation deals...

      Then last year... I turned 41, and had some kind of midlife crisis, and I became really dis satisfied... I was making money with offline but I didnt feel very passionate. i felt like I was losing my fire..., and I asked some people in the mind warrior forum what to do and they gave me counsel... and through that I had an epiphany. Yes my friends, there is a moment when everything you have ever been comes together and makes "something". There is a moment when all the things you have ever been that didnt make sense suddenly make sense... and I had that moment.

      I said to myself:

      "After having personally trained literally over a thousand telemarketers to succeed in offline sales, and having broken records everywhere I have ever managed or operated... and having been a straight up champion myself in every booth I have ever sat in... I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am an absolute authority on the subject of cold calling for offline business.... and Im gonna go stake my claim".

      What was I gonna do with my "claim"? I didnt know... but I was gonna stake it.

      Suddenly everything all my heros who had come before me had said made perfect sense "Find what you know, find what you are good at... everyone is an authority at something...".

      If you drive a telemarketing room for three years with 100 tsrs all telemarketing for offline services... that makes you more than a telemarketing manager... it makes you an authority on telemarketing for offline business. Heck I can even do it from my own kitchen table and DO.

      So, whatever it is... you have "something " of value, just identify it and offer it.

      So anyway, what did I do...?

      You know that cartoon of that little chicken that thinks he's a big rooster?

      I march into the main discussion at the WF, and say "You know what the hell is wrong with your business ? You are afraid to cold call..." and people started questioning, and there was a spark so I started educating in long paragraphs... the warrior forum had taught me that "content was king" and I was ready to find out what it meant.

      Give , educate...

      Still had no idea what it meant but I was doing it and the thread was exploding with thousands of views...

      and I started educating, and I started a fire...

      They started asking me to write a wso ... so I did this time . I wrote one... and the day it released I announced it on that thread and two things happened...

      A: It got shut down because I had forgotten about the 50 post rule again, and had placed 50 post of literally VOLUMES of info about telemarketing. Sometimes I get to edcuating and forget myself.

      B: The moment I released the WSO I made like $1,000 in sales. Literally within an hour.

      How?

      I didnt know (Though now I know the great wso secret). I just figured "Wow. That was the best damn $20.00 ad I have ever paid for in my life...".

      All I knew was that it started with "Starting a fire and creating ALOT of free content", and really giving your all, with all of your heart...and telling people everything you know freely.

      The law of reciprocity...? That report went on to make around $10,000 in sales to this point, almost a year later, and my heart was filled with so much gratitude for the response of the buyers, that I built them a forum to share in, and since then that forum has 1500 members and has changed hundreds of peoples lives. We dont spare any credit on our forum to Allen Says and the warriors for being our "Mother Ship" so to speak.

      Well... anyway... I had to try this again. I mean it wasnt so much the money as it was the science... Could I make a science out of this?

      My friends do you want to hear more?

      Ps. This is only the tip of the ice berg, we havent gotten to any of the real secrets... The fire is the "Pre -requisite", the "qualifier".... its not the secret.

      This was phase one. download it. By the time Im done this thread will be a valuable report... you can steal it , rewrite it, list it as a wso. roll it up . smoke it... I dont care...and just give a portion to kim . Why? Because you are bound to make money with it, and you owe that to Kim! Please be kind and pay it forward.

      Thats the basics... lol.

      Sometimes it takes a few sparks to start a fire... thats a whole other story that I will let you figure out on your own... but starting a fire is phase UNO!!!!!

      If you follow the info in this you might just make your first $10,000 online.

      Does anyone have any questions about Phase one? Before we move on?

      You can see that Dave Iago, has started a "fire" with "Whats Working for me...".

      We are still a spark but that is about to change as people say... "Hey come over here and learn how to launch a WSO...", maybe we can turn the spark into a fire... whoever reads it will be glad they SUBSCRIBED!!!!


      YOU CAN SUSCRIBE TO THIS THREAD AND GET AN EMAIL EVERYTIME THERE IS A NEW POST!!!!

      PLEASE DO IT NOW!

      ALL Of Munchkin land is depending on you!

      Tell me when you want to get deeper into what is sure to be a valuable teaching. But only if you like getting paid what you're worth.

      Question:

      What does a thread also have when it has alot of "viewers"?
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      • Profile picture of the author TrekkieGrrrl
        I subscribed to the thread. Looking forward to hearing more.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by TrekkieGrrrl View Post

          I subscribed to the thread. Looking forward to hearing more.

          Bingo, my friends... he who has ears let him get this lesson (Self evident truth here for those paying attention)... Our little trekkie friend just gave you a big key.

          Why did she subscribe? Maybe because I asked her too, but most people do why?

          Because you are giving away a ton of free, interesting, valuable content.

          What happens when a person suscribes to a thread?

          What do they get everytime there is a new post?

          Bingo... lol

          Thanks trekkie girl, you must be spiritually in tune with unseen forces that want to help Kim, because that was a damn timely post there.

          You see random posts being made... a "marketer" sees a plan coming together... Im gonna teach you guys some Jedi stuff here.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            Bingo, my friends... he who has ears let him get this lesson (Self evident truth here for those paying attention)... Our little trekkie friend just gave you a big key.

            Why did she subscribe? Maybe because I asked her too, but most people do why?

            Because you are giving away a ton of free, interesting, valuable content.

            What happens when a person suscribes to a thread?

            What do they get everytime there is a new post?

            Bingo... lol

            Thanks trekkie girl, you must be spiritually in tune with unseen forces that want to help Kim, because that was a damn timely post there.

            You see random posts being made... a "marketer" sees a plan coming together... Im gonna teach you guys some Jedi stuff here.
            I'm loving it John. This truly is an epic thread and something that should become a sticky!
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      • Profile picture of the author TrekkieGrrrl
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


        Does anyone have any questions about Phase one? Before we move on?
        What if you're not sure what your "specialty" should be? I have a few things I'm good at, and passionate about, but not sure I can turn it into a fire.
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          Originally Posted by TrekkieGrrrl View Post

          What if you're not sure what your "specialty" should be? I have a few things I'm good at, and passionate about, but not sure I can turn it into a fire.
          Good question. I can help.

          Edit , forget those two questions... let me answer yours.

          Im alot about Telemarketing. After having been a telemarketing Manager for ten years, I love telemarketers and the art. I respect them as high caliber sales machines. I love training them. I love them. I stand for them. Thats what Makes me tick. Im a passion before money kinda person. I like the science, and so I have tried alot of things... Learned early from Tony Robbins how to make distinctions quickly and adjust accordingly.

          Now, there is another school of thought that I cannot disagree with.

          A masterful teacher of this is Dennis Gaskill

          That school says that in order to produce a report that is worthy to sell, you dont have to have experience on a subject. You just have to

          A: Identify a problem
          B: Create a reliable solution.

          And its true. I know nothing about creating software, but I hired someone to create some and sold it... that can be a wso...

          If you have a service such as article writing... that can be a wso

          If you have researched a subject deeply and have reliable facts to back your information, and it provides a solution. You can make a wso.

          You dont have to even be a sales pro to write a wso on sales, you can just takes lessons from sales pros and outline them in more interesting terms...

          For instance.... I hate to say this with all of my heart because he is my hero, but its still true

          "Randy Gage", my favorite Prosperity teacher, bases his ENTIRE teaching, chapter per chapter, upon an old book written by Catherine Ponder.

          I hate to say it but its true... the thing about it though is this.... Catherine Ponder doesnt "Speak" to me, but Randy Gage puts it in a way that does.

          The movie "The Secret" is based on Abraham Hicks teachings... but they tell it in a fresh way to a new audience...

          You dont have to be a sales pro like me, to provide reliable information.

          Find an idea, put a twist on it. Put it in a way people can understand ...

          Turn a comb, into a "super detangler" comb... Hey, Telemarketing is old news., Im just telling it to a fresh audience in a new way.

          From an objective standpoint, anyone with decent research and writing skills can create a report.

          If you invest 40 bucks, and only make $500, you made 500 and get three or 4 people who write in and say how great your report is... Now you have what?

          Social proof.

          So you ad the testimonials to your sales copy...and you bump your wso again, and make another 500... this time WITH SOCIAL PROOF...

          Dare I tell more secrets?

          Shouldnt I be getting paid for this...?

          Oh wait , its for Kim!!!!!!!!!
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          • Profile picture of the author TrekkieGrrrl
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            Good question. I can help.

            Edit , forget those two questions... let me answer yours.
            I'm looking forward to it.
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          • Profile picture of the author TrekkieGrrrl
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            Dare I tell more secrets?
            I hope you do.

            So, if I get your meaning:

            Follow your passion, and that will give you the unique "voice" that will resonate with your audience (as long as you're giving value). Even if your message isn't new, the spin you put on it is.
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by TrekkieGrrrl View Post

              I hope you do.

              So, if I get your meaning:

              Follow your passion, and that will give you the unique "voice" that will resonate with your audience (as long as you're giving value). Even if your message isn't new, the spin you put on it is.
              yes.... and you put sparks out... dont change your message... just change the way you present it each time... until one catches fire. Sometimes the first one does... sometimes it takes 3 or 4.

              What I mean here is "until you create a hot thread that generates alot of interest". Thats what a "Fire" is.

              But Im still not telling the secret here.

              Another friend of mine had a message/product he wanted to present.. and I told him to try to start some SPARKS... and see what catches fire... so he started a few threads... they sparked but no fire... then we came up with the concept of naming a thread some rediculous title... and that spark caught fire... and his wso launched successfully.

              I have tried to launch wso's without starting a fire first, but... the scientific results are in.... they Flop.... meaning, they only sell 20 copies... I even tried a FREE wso, without starting a fire first.... they dont work.

              This is why, wether you do it as your passion, or come at it from a more objective angle, you have to know your subject matter.... because if you dont...when you go to start your fire, someone will put it out.

              You cant be a poser at the wf and get under the radar.

              Anyway, just like cold calling... most people give up if a couple of sparks dont work.

              Ps. By morning we will have 1000 views on this. That will be a flame. You are participating in the starting of a fire at this very moment. If it burns out we start another spark!

              Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

              Think if this were in the main internet marketing forum rather than the Offline Marketing discussion. You could have 10x more views!
              Excellent observation... excellent opportunity to teach.

              I missed it there and you caught it... you are right , should have done that.... but whats the good news now that we know that...? Lets thinks like warriors and say "How can we use this distinction to bust a move".

              We could

              A: Go out into main discussion and make references to this thread...

              B: We could even start a Hotter Topic in Main discussion for this cause... and make some rediculous title and blow it up with great content that educates people.

              Let me tell you another secret , its Karma.... its "Natural Law"...

              You see , when you create content you

              A: Give to the people
              B: Give To Allen Says, by creating content, search engine traffic, and new people registering to the wf. Just as he has given to you this playground to grow and train upon.

              and you, as Kahlil Gibran says: "Life giving unto life"...

              So if you are giving your heart out to the warrior forum...what is a likely , and natural thing to happen?

              Yup.

              The warrior forum gives to you... for example.

              I dont know how much money this thread has raised and dont care. My eyes are on the prize , I only care about selling the heck out of this All star WSO... BUT I can tell you this much...

              OMG HUGE secret here... if it wasnt for Kim you would have to give me your first born child for this secret but here it goes:

              I havent used my own sig for almost a week. I have had kims sig down here... I also have not bumped my wso... But guess what.... I dont need to, because I understand the laws of abundance. The universe is designed to feed us as we feed it... reciprocity.

              So anyway, no one has seen my sig for a week, nor have I bumped any ads... Yet still I have sold $700 in reports...

              Can you believe I just told you that?

              Am I stupid....

              No. Im not stupid. I am your friend.

              Even though you know that I practically make a report sale everytime I post, you will probably still buy the next report, you know why?

              Because you KNOW Im your friend, Im proving it right now, because I love you guys and I want to share any success I have with you...

              Theres more, but Im giving too much away right now without enough responses... a little take away action is being called for.... this thread needs to get hotter...

              If you watch, Im teaching you guys... dont thank me....donate to our cause.

              Good nite!

              Ps. Brad Gosse's influnece on this thread would be invaluable. I guess in a sense Im trying to kinda call him forth here... so we can add alot of great content before I burn up all my posts. He is the WF expert on this subject... there are others too... George wright has a brilliant twist on it.

              There's another example:

              George Wright teaches people to write wso's do you know what his "angle" is... Article writers.

              Im sure he tried a few sparks before this angle caught fire... but he asks the question "Why are you writing articles for a penny per word when you can write for $1.00 per word".

              The angle is that the same 5,000 word article that most article writers dont even make 100 dollars for, they could list as a WSO and make $1,000.

              Makes sense huh... same concept others teach...different angle.... probably set out a few sparks before that one caught fire...

              Am I speaking to anyone here... Im backing off... I want to see some interest before we use up all our fuel on mere "spark"... holla people and we will continue this teaching.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    We are only beginning... perhaps I should change the title... "Come one come all....who want to learn the art of launching a wso on a real example in real time".

    Still my friend, we only have a spark here... we are a couple of thousands views from having a fire...

    So what do you do when all you have is a spark?

    Im gonna show you further down this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      We are only beginning... perhaps I should change the title... "Come one come all....who want to learn the art of launching a wso on a real example in real time".

      Still my friend, we only have a spark here... we are a couple of thousands views from having a fire...

      So what do you do when all you have is a spark?

      Im gonna show you further down this thread.
      Think if this were in the main internet marketing forum rather than the Offline Marketing discussion. You could have 10x more views!
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      OK FOLKS!

      Quick update - things are rounding out - Need folks to get the message out for VIEWS to this Thread and VIEWS to the Donation page.

      John and Darren are going to be working over time this weekend - anyone who can contribute ANYTHING - money, traffic, ideas, reports, ebooks, effort, whatever PLEASE DO SO.

      --> MY EMAIL ADDRESS: JTZOR@YAHOO.COM <---

      I am attempting to help coordinate the setup since JD has a ton of stuff he has to take care of, so I am lending a logistical hand.

      Feel free to email me with ideas, questions, whatever BUT PLEASE - take the time to talk to others about the cause - LINK the DONATION PAGE to your Sig, LINK THIS THREAD also.

      ANY AND ALL HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

      "Sparks have been Ignited, the Fire is Spreading, an Inferno WILL ENSUE."

      Much love to all Warriors.

      Kim Winfrey - the Train is CHUGGING ALONG BROTHER!

      JD - you are my hero.

      - John Tzor
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by JTzor View Post

        OK FOLKS!

        --> MY EMAIL ADDRESS: JTZOR@YAHOO.COM <---

        I am attempting to help coordinate the setup since JD has a ton of stuff he has to take care of, so I am lending a logistical hand.

        Feel free to email me with ideas, questions, whatever BUT PLEASE - take the time to talk to others about the cause - LINK the DONATION PAGE to your Sig, LINK THIS THREAD also.

        ANY AND ALL HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.


        - John Tzor
        Indeed. I think its time we start gathering our donation material/resources and start organizing them today. There certainly has been an overwhelming response. We probably have well over 2k in value, especially after this afternoon, what I have going.

        JT, again, you are invaluable, someone will surely see this and say "There is a diamond right there"... you have been great through this whole process. If its okay with Darren I will invite you into our work session when we put this together this weekend.

        Im seeing the thread title "All Star Wso" - withe the tag/theme "We are the Warriors" (Like "We are the World").

        This is going to be a proud Warrior package with plenty of that Good ole fashion "Paul Meyers Thud Factor".

        What is the Thud factor? Well you need to look up Meyers to really learn, but in short, its when you add things to your reports, and bundle it and create bonuses until its got the heavy duty THUD" factor. Its a big package with lots of diverse bonuses, that is so heavy that when you lay it down it gives off a big THUD sound.

        I did it with my last wso after reading Pauls report and to this day since January it has sold about $22,000 in sales.

        THUD FACTOR.

        Learn it guys, we're teaching. Apply these things... they arent bull****....we arent saying them to waste our breath, and we arent trying to intentionally mislead anyone....

        You have to do what I do - "Listen" to wise counsel.

        I could have had a $5,000 Wso... but I listened to the wisdom of the elders.... and had a $22,000 WSO instead...

        "Today I am born anew, and my birthplace is a vinyard where there is fruit for all..."

        Let me tell you, th WF is a vineyard, and Paul Meyers is one of the Tallest Vines in the vinyard... pluck some grapes from that one!

        Listen folks... if you arent a lame wanna be forever loser... and you really want to succeed... TRY THESE THINGS, dont just read em!

        Ancient Chinese secret says "Warrior forum Is Gold Mine, but if you do not take action you are destin to fail..."

        Im serious I think I actually saw that on a fortune cookie. Thats classic ancient warrior wisdom right there. simple, and true.

        Get an idea... and dont waste time. DO it. If it fails. Big deal. Start another spark.
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          Anyway I can help - you have my phone number, email, home address, lol!!!

          Call on me anytime!

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  • Profile picture of the author daddykool
    Hey John, hows the baby naming going and HELL you must have sore fingers from this thread LOL

    We are all loving this thread and one of the girls in our VA team, read part of it out on the office tannoy system! :-0
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    The law of reciprocity works on so many levels...

    Right now we are

    A: Teaching the people how to turn their knowledge into cash
    B: Raisingmoney for Kim.
    C: Im selling reports without even trying.
    D: Allen Says is getting a bunch of great content and traffic from search engines from all the keywords in our dialogue here
    E: We are also training Allens people on how to use the WSO section which results in advertising dollars for the forum and more prosperity exchanging hands within the community...

    Do you see all the many levels, many intricate levels of benefit that happen when we share?

    Inevitably our WSO is going to set a bunch of people free to and set them on the path to making money, and putting more cash flow into their local economies, putting cooks, and gas statrion attendents, and dishwashers to work, article writers, webdesigners ... trash services, banks, landlords, the electric company... putting money back into the economy.

    Put your ideas into circulation folks... they touch so many different areas and affect so many different things... the butterfly affect of one person making money is phenomenal.

    When you realize that you will be understanding that pursuing prosperity is GOOD... and you help alot more than just yourself when you create it. Its a noble thing.

    All the negative anchors to money will fall off... most people REALLY REALLY dont know they have them, but most people do.

    Im really really giving you guys the undiluted truth here.

    Do you know why I dont mind telling you that every since I gave Kim my sig I have still made $800 in my own report sales.... because I know Kim would be HAPPY to know that!

    Yes. Propserity is Good.

    I want to let YOU know, that by donating a sig you will lose NOTHING... EVERYONE has EVERYTHING to gain!

    Reciprocity!

    Do you believe that?

    Listen, business works on it! Period!

    If you make money for your boss, what is the next NATURAL step....? Well, he better recognize and give you a raise right? He isnt stupid.... Neither is God, and niether are the laws of the universe.

    We reap what we sow, ONLY.

    Now before anybody gets pissed at me for saying my sig makes money... I must tell you with over 2,000 posts, most of which are over two paragraghs long.... the reason my sig makes money is because I have spent ALOT ALOT ALOT of time in the field sowing seeds... it didnt happen overnight... but all the same, if you sow, you will absolutely reap. It is law, it can be no other way.

    Dont hate. Learn.

    Please take note here:

    This thread is about to bust over 1,000 views, and turn from a spark into a flame (still not a wildfire yet) ... the note you need to take here is this: "we did it intentionally and deliberately".

    We pushed this over 1000 views by our own will.

    The moral of the story?

    "We have some control over our outcomes".
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!

    Great phone conversation just now with Maria Gudelis.... she donated a great package, and is gonna get behind this in more than one way! This is gonna be awesome!

    Ps. I have to tell you. After talking to her... I was nervous because she is a literal HERO LEGEND on the WF... but she was the most beautiful person. I feel good. I left that conversation with a warm feeling, and I can truly say "I love Maria Gudelis"!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Maria Gudelis
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!

      Great phone conversation just now with Maria Gudelis.... she donated a great package, and is gonna get behind this in more than one way! This is gonna be awesome!
      It twas a great conversation...I'll think about more ideas to get to the $50k mark fast..

      Another one besides the OTO we discussed...is also selling rights to "solo ads" from the list that is built via this mega 'WSO" -

      so e.g. $97 per solo ad - sell packages of 12 for $1,000 (I'd be the first buyer!) - only sell say 4 solo ad emails per week (fellow warriors - your thoughts...more less - figured 7 is too much - one day a week of pure sales pitches will dilute the list)

      Anyway - just a few thoughts.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    I can't believe this is the first time I am seeing this thread.... Now I know why John contacted me and asked me to "watch over" the Newbie 50K thread".

    I don't know if I am in time to be a part of the mega package... because I don't have my ducks in a row yet... BUT.... I will donate 50% of the WSO I am currently working on if not....

    I am not a heavy hitter like some of the names mentioned... I am just a dude... with a little experience and a whole lot of "what not to do" under my belt...

    Let's make this happen....

    Kim... You are in good hands... You are in my prayers and you will have the money needed in NO TIME.... No worries....


    BTW.... If you haven't subscribed to this thread.... DO SO NOW! Don't miss out on your chance to be a part of HISTORY!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Wow thanks Amir, thats very generous. I know because I personally taught you how to launch one, so 50% is bound to be significant.

    You are a hero bro!

    Yes. SUBSCRIBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Right at the top of this thread at the pull down menu that says "Thread tools".
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    I know an awesome thread when I see one!

    Also...

    Maria, I agree with your idea that we should do solo ads. This would really bring in some extra revenue! Great thinking.

    I think the prices you proposed make sense but we should first see how many people buy it and get on the list. If 100 people do then that is great but what if 1000 people do? We can't be sure but I don't see why this WSO wouldn't sell at least 1K copies!

    This will be epic and there is no doubt about it!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by Maria Gudelis View Post

    It twas a great conversation...I'll think about more ideas to get to the $50k mark fast..

    Another one besides the OTO we discussed...is also selling rights to "solo ads" from the list that is built via this mega 'WSO" -

    so e.g. $97 per solo ad - sell packages of 12 for $1,000 (I'd be the first buyer!) - only sell say 4 solo ad emails per week (fellow warriors - your thoughts...more less - figured 7 is too much - one day a week of pure sales pitches will dilute the list)

    Anyway - just a few thoughts.....
    Excellent thoughts. This is another reason why big guns have so much value... Not because of their name, but the experience that MADE their name what it is.

    I would never think of such things, and that leaves alot of opportunity on the table.... Can anyone fathom a plan of action to where we could incorporate Marias ideas here?

    Probably Darren.... he is brilliant at building backend systems.

    Want to thank product and services donors at this juncture... There are many more than Im listing here... JT if you can think of some please list also because we want to recognize EVERYONE....

    Kim Winfrey

    Maria Gudelis

    Darren Kaye

    patadeperro (donated 5 awesome reports)
    MichaelParsons
    WD Mino (two record breaking wso's)

    Alex Sol

    Mike Mcleer
    Luis Amir
    Audry Harvey
    Jack Tackett
    Hey Sal
    Bkay
    Travis Petelle


    ...and many others are donating. Most are donating more than ONE report.... this WSO is gonna be MIND BLOWING.... Talk about THUD FACTOR! OMG!

    Ps. Amir, the newbies thread is yours now... I have too many posts in it... if I post anymore its gonna turn into the titanic.... but still someone has to mind it and take care of the newbs... so my friend in return for looking after it you get almost 20 thousand subscribers every time you post!!!

    If you people are listening, there is a message in this red writing. Another key.
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    • Profile picture of the author JTzor
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Want to thank product and services donors at this juncture... There are many more than Im listing here... JT if you can think of some please list also because we want to recognize EVERYONE....

      Kim Winfrey

      Maria Gudelis
      Darren Kaye
      patadeperro (donated 5 awesome reports)
      MichaelParsons
      WD Mino (two record breaking wso's)
      Alex Sol
      Mike Mcleer
      Luis Amir
      Audry Harvey
      Jack Tackett
      Hey Sal
      Bkay
      Travis Petelle
      Jodi Bennett
      Brad Gosse
      David Cisneros
      Larry Perry
      Daniel Tan

      ...and many others are donating. Most are donating more than ONE report.... this WSO is gonna be MIND BLOWING.... Talk about THUD FACTOR! OMG!
      I added in a couple, but I will have to recheck my emails and resubmit - long day for me today, just got home!

      Catching my second wind - LOVE YOU GUYS!

      MARIA - Im Winning the 7 Day Challenge!!!

      - JT
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by JTzor View Post

        I added in a couple, but I will have to recheck my emails and resubmit - long day for me today, just got home!

        Catching my second wind - LOVE YOU GUYS!

        MARIA - Im Winning the 7 Day Challenge!!!

        - JT

        Amazing energy this John Tzor... too bad no one here needs a freakin MIND blowing assistant... Wow!
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        • Profile picture of the author JTzor
          JD - Booked a DJ for my wedding today - had a 3 hour meeting.

          Guess what I did? Sold Him OFFLINE SERVICES BABY!

          Thank you for being a Superlative Mentor and All Around AWESOME HUMAN BEING

          - JT
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          • Profile picture of the author JTzor
            PS - Just re-read the List of ALL STARS

            That is a DREAM TEAM!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author bigredrassler
    Hey,
    I wanna help, but don't know how I can, I don't have a list at all of my own, I am working on a report but it is for a still developing business model and as such doesn't have any real value.
    I have a thought on what I can offer, but every time I type it and read it back it sounds self promotional and I want to avoid that. If you are an experienced offliner or successful sales person and willing to donate to Kim, message me and I will explain in private how we can help our fellow warrior out together.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by bigredrassler View Post

      Hey,
      I wanna help, but don't know how I can, I don't have a list at all of my own, I am working on a report but it is for a still developing business model and as such doesn't have any real value.
      I have a thought on what I can offer, but every time I type it and read it back it sounds self promotional and I want to avoid that. If you are an experienced offliner or successful sales person and willing to donate to Kim, message me and I will explain in private how we can help our fellow warrior out together.
      Hey Rassler... the best thing you can do is keep focusing on your business.... by this time next year my generation of WF teachers will have faded and there will be more causes, and there will need to be more zealous leaders... As Paul Meyers says, these things come and go in cycles... get your business strong, keep your eyes on the prize and hold us in the light bro! You'll get your chance to knock some stuff out, just keep the offline momentum going!

      Ps. Oh, and buy the WSO!!!!

      Originally Posted by JTzor View Post

      PS - Just re-read the List of ALL STARS

      That is a DREAM TEAM!!!
      There are more too... after a closer look I feel terrible about some of the names I left out...

      at this point we have "Pledges" though.... we need to collect reports now..

      In fundraising its called "inpaids" you send out 20,000 pledges packets and only about 70% come back in.... Lets see what our "inpaids" are now with report donations.
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      • Profile picture of the author JTzor
        JD check your email real quick - sent you something and i just need clarification for a report donor

        - JT

        PS - a friend of mine just donated some money!
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        Originally Posted by Gaurav Duggal View Post

        Count me in. I'm donating my current WSO...
        I thought I heard a thud...did you hear it?
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        • Profile picture of the author JTzor
          *** DAILY UPDATE *** APRIL 1, 2011

          To all the Warrior's that are holding their collective breath wondering how this train, moving at break neck speed is chugging along -- rest assured it is Running On Firm Tracks Bolstered by the care and compassion of your fellow warriors - Warriors Experienced, Newbies, and Intermediates alike have all lent their ears, brains, and brawn to this cause -- this worthwhile cause - where we as a collective community endeavor to aid a Warrior in need -- a Warrior who is proud, humble, and an all around great human being -- a Warrior who has Valiantly fought a battle against a ravaging disease that has claimed his kidneys.

          YOU WARRIORS - ALL OF YOU
          - have contributed mightily to this cause - and the prospects of success seem assured. WORK STILL REMAINS.

          JOHN DURHAM - the inspiration behind the cause, DARREN, his right hand man, and others, will be working behind the scenes, culling, collecting and organizing the WONDERFUL donations of ideas and content that you all so dutifully and freely committed to this cause.

          The last couple of days and nights have seen acts of kindness from this community's biggest names -- they are listed above this post -- they will be thanked properly soon -- the thanks I GIVE are nothing compared to the satisfaction of knowing that a man's life will be saved and that the karmic energy generated from this cause will contribute to and reverberate throughout the world -- of this I am certain. YOUR ACTIVITY and ACTION ASSURES THIS.

          I ask all of you to keep the views up -- SPREAD THE WORD -- get a signature in your profile of the threads and the donation site, mention the cause on your websites, to your list, to your family, to your friends -- AND KEEP THE POSITIVE ENERGY FLOWING.

          I have heard others make mention of having the best selling WSOs, the highest grossing WSOs, the best value WSOs. -- Im not a mathematician, nor am I an economist, or world class Internet Marketer or Business man. My boss would tell you that I am not even a good employee if he knew I was posting here right now. What Do I Know? I know that THIS WSO is Historic as it stands right now IN ITS SCOPE -- Historic IN ITS AIM -- and Historic IN The Participation and Involvement of the members of this Warrior Forum.

          My words may not mean much to some that read them -- my words mean nothing to those that will never see them. My actions however, and those of my fellow warriors have spoken volumes to Kim Winfrey - his children, his grand children and his family and friends. The actions of these warriors here have touched, and will continue to touch the lives of those that will be blessed by the comfort of Mr. Winfrey's presence and his passion and energy FOR YEARS TO COME.

          Be Proud of your contributions.

          Blessed be those who have contributed in this mighty effort

          You Are All Heroes.

          Warmest Regards,

          - John Tzor
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Well, the work certainly isnt done yet... I just played the guitar for an hour, and my wife said "what are you doing"?

    I said Im siking up because we have a long 3 day workload ahead...

    So, yup, stetching out, cracking the knuckles, rolling up the sleeves... ready to throw down!

    As far as inspirations behind this... I only added a spark to a fire that was was spread to me by Jody (waterotter), Hey Sal, and kay... This fight has been going on for awhile. Time to end it. Whoosh.... Nothin but net!

    As far as you (JT) and your mind boggling "Non false" humility... One of the most valuable truths I ever retained was that "Some truths are self evident". Is JT amazing...? I think some truths are self evident. This man is valuable.

    Again, this is how karma works... You are devoting yourself, selflessly, 100% to a cause, and using your talents, and people are watching your talents saying "Hmmm... that guy is valuable". Eventually if you devote yourself to understanding them, you could, as i do, run your entire business based on practicing spiritual laws and not so much business, yet business will be good.

    It is all appropriate, as Gibran says "Life giving unto life". Such complex symbiotic connections between things... yet so simple. Just "give" unabashedly. Your knowledge, or whatever you have. Thats it. Simple. Prosperity comes.

    "Give" someone a paycheck, and you will recieve profit.

    "Give" alot of information, and people will want to buy products from you.... just give, and customers will knock your door down.

    "Give" an affiliate excellent tools to work with, and you will recieve alot of affiliates .

    "Give" people a great product, and they will buy from you again.

    "Give" a small business owner a break, and he will be loyal to you for life...

    You reap what you sow.

    It is law. It can be no other way.
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    • Profile picture of the author JTzor
      ODE TO DURHAM: (dedicated to you John Durham from your Warriors)

      You Teach without teaching
      You Preach without preaching
      Selflessness is your Forum

      We learn -- awestruck by your kindness, passion, and warmth

      You gave us resolve when we were uncertain -- provided guidance when we felt lost

      As the Sun has it's planets - You General John, have your Warriors

      You are the nucleus to our atom

      You say work remains -- Then Let the Weekend be our proving ground

      The battle is before us -- and we in our resolve Remain steadfast to see the good deed through -- call on US -- we demand it -- we will not abandon our duties EVER at this most important hour

      Lets Get It Done!

      - thank you for believing in us
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    My hat is off to both Johns for really taking control of this project. I am proud to say that I "know" these two guys.

    Great work men!

    Let me know what I can do.
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    Whoa. Uh. Cool. Party on Wayne!
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    • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Whoa. Uh. Cool. Party on Wayne!
      LOL.... that was your response...???

      It looks like the inevitable law of... "Water seeks it's own level" has come true.. The union of JT and JD.... and that is all you have to say?
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      • Profile picture of the author JTzor
        Water seeks it's own level -- I don't know whether I should be flattered or JD Angry!!!

        Thanks Amir!

        Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

        LOL.... that was your response...???

        It looks like the inevitable law of... "Water seeks it's own level" has come true.. The union of JT and JD.... and that is all you have to say?
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

        LOL.... that was your response...???

        It looks like the inevitable law of... "Water seeks it's own level" has come true.. The union of JT and JD.... and that is all you have to say?
        I was a bit overwhelmed. JT is like amazing man! Totally!

        Indeed. A man after my own heart! He should be at the round table.

        JT Would a man of your integrity like to join our board of moderators at TMF... it wouldnt disturb your WF activity.... just mod whenever you are in. You are a fair, just and wise man!


        Michael! Cool!!!!!

        So goes along with the theme here too! Total synergy! I would expect that from a man of your spiritual stature!
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        • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          I was a bit overwhelmed. JT is like amazing man! Totally!

          Indeed. A man after my own heart! He should be at the round table.

          JT Would a man of your integrity like to join our board of moderators at TMF... it wouldnt disturb your WF activity.... just mod whenever you are in. You are a fair, just and wise man!


          I support and condone this message... You have my vote as a humble member of the round table...
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

            I support and condone this message... You have my vote as a humble member of the round table...
            I was playing in this band when I was young and their publishers assistant told the publisher... you better scoop this guy before someone else does...

            I have to say the same about JT, he's that diamond guy that someone is gonna scoop! Might as well be us!! lol
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            • Profile picture of the author JTzor
              John and Amir, I would be honored!
              Floored by the offer. An honor and privilege, really.

              - JT
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
                Originally Posted by JTzor View Post

                John and Amir, I would be honored!
                Floored by the offer. An honor and privilege, really.

                - JT
                I heard the thud last week. Where'd it go?
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                • Profile picture of the author JTzor
                  Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

                  I heard the thud last week. Where'd it go?

                  Mike - Great point - I will respond with an update.

                  Many a fine Warrior has contributed to the WSO and fundraising efforts.
                  As I understand it, the vast amounts of contributions are being organized into a cogent format to highlight each contribution's strength.

                  JD and Darren are spearheading the effort, and at this point, all the contributions that were sent my way have been zipped and emailed to JD.

                  I will have a more specific update hopefully in the next 24 hrs.

                  In the meantime keep spreading the good word!

                  - JT
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
                    Originally Posted by JTzor View Post

                    Mike - Great point - I will respond with an update.

                    Many a fine Warrior has contributed to the WSO and fundraising efforts.
                    As I understand it, the vast amounts of contributions are being organized into a cogent format to highlight each contribution's strength.

                    JD and Darren are spearheading the effort, and at this point, all the contributions that were sent my way have been zipped and emailed to JD.

                    I will have a more specific update hopefully in the next 24 hrs.

                    In the meantime keep spreading the good word!

                    - JT
                    Thanks,

                    I would like to add that in the spirit of Kim's WSO, I created WSOCharity.com . You can learn more here.
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                • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                  Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

                  I heard the thud last week. Where'd it go?

                  Now you are hearing the calm before the storm, if you quietly sense it, you can feel the rumble beneath your feet. All is appropriate.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Ok... I created an hour long video workshop session for Offliners...

    The Offline Sales Trebuchet... How To Bundle Your Offline Services For Maximum Sales And Profits And Catapult Your Business To Legendary Status


    I am working to get the video compression handled so we have a smaller download file size. Should post the zip to S3 sometime Saturday... includes presentation slides... a mindmap and session notes. Will send out the link to you guys directly when it's live.

    Priced individually, I would charge $150 for a single webinar seat to this class.
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    • Profile picture of the author JTzor
      TOO FRIGGIN' COOL!!!


      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Ok... I created an hour long video workshop session for Offliners...

      The Offline Sales Trebuchet... How To Bundle Your Offline Services For Maximum Sales And Profits And Catapult Your Business To Legendary Status


      I am working to get the video compression handled so we have a smaller download file size. Should post the zip to S3 sometime Saturday... includes presentation slides... a mindmap and session notes. Will send out the link to you guys directly when it's live.

      Priced individually, I would charge $150 for a single webinar seat to this class.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    John, how is it coming along on this awesome WSO?

    What is the launch date looking like right now?

    I am excited...aren't you?
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  • Profile picture of the author JTzor
    In the Spirit of Giving and Educating (Example Set by JD on this thread), here is something that I have posted elsewhere on the Warrior Forum, which I think is more than applicable and appropriate for here:

    Enjoy and feel free to comment:

    Okay, so You wanna know what the Big Secret is to propelling yourself into the Success Stratosphere?

    Unfortunately, I have some bad news for you.

    If you've come looking for a shiny product to purchase, I haven't got one for ya.

    You see, there isn't just one Secret that will get you to the "promised land."

    For what it's worth, what I have found is that there really aren't any Big Secrets after all.

    Sure technology always forces us to invent new methods or to adapt current methods to technology's pace. That is par for the course. The foundational methods and strategies used for success however should always be the same. Most successful people will tell you that.

    In the interest of brevity i have provided an easy list for your perusal. If you like what you read, say so - if you feel like adding to this list do so

    SUCCESS SECRETS:

    1) re-program yourself for success - don't let preconceived notions bog you down - there is no "guidebook" as to who you Should be, what you should become, and ultimately what you should do with your life.
    Learn about yourself - it is a journey - be open-minded and willing to work and learn

    2) believe in yourself - if for no other reason than if you don't, you will never succeed - if you are here reading this, then it is obvious that you are past the first step - you are looking to change, heck you are CRAVING it - don't give up now - you are YOUR ONLY option

    3) find a system or vessel or approach that has worked for others and stay the course - USE CASE STUDIES - many times they tend to lead to a shortcut ... or ten

    3 (a) in the same vein DONT OPT FOR EASY WAYS OUT or PUSH BUTTON MIRACLES - Success will follow ... for those who are selling you the push button miracle product, but you will be left broke and probably with broken software
    If you are willing to learn, DONT BE AFRAID OF WORK - You Learn by working through problems - if you work through problems you build character and learn patience, which this day and age seems like a dirty word! so, be Patient and be willing to Work

    4) stay focused - don't get distracted
    - put the blinders on and keep moving forward - no jumping to the next new shiny thing - kind of strange for me to mention this on the Warrior Forum where there exists such a thing as WSO of the Day! So, pick ONE STRATEGY and stick with it for at least a month - if you arent having any positive traction, refine your approach. If after some tinkering you have found yourself to be going nowhere, then scrap it and start from scratch. Take solace however, you have indeed learned from your experience

    5) once you have committed see it through
    - be determined - why did you start this journey, certainly not to turn back?
    If you have a knack for jumping ship midway through something, then you will never succeed with any online venture, IM or otherwise
    Stick with it - you might surprise yourself with what a little tenacity and persistence will bring forth

    6) don't be afraid to tinker your way to succe
    ss
    - only modify heavily if something isn't working right or if it is failing you miserably
    conversely, is something is working pretty good for you, don't muck it up by attempting to reinvent the wheel

    7) don't be fearful of failure - DON'T FEAR FAILURE - FAIL TO FEAR! Again, don't be stupid with this - there is fear of taking action, and then just plain old common sense, or lack thereof - you fear taking action because you have never started a website before, even though you own 10 WSOs on Word Press site creation, well then all i can say is that you have too much time on your hands and more money than you know what to do with.
    Put the Kindle down, click off of the PDF guide, and get to building your site

    7 (a) Take Action - research and study is fine but it will get you Nowhere if you DONT TAKE ACTION - Paralysis by Analysis is very real - how many folks have had great ideas, but they thought to themselves "its go to be perfect before I ... (launch the site, create the eBook, etc) to only come to the realization that 5 years have passed and you are in the same situation financially that you were in 5 years ago, or worse YOU JUST LOST 5 YEARS of Potential Profits to ANALYSIS PARALYSIS - Really? Why?

    8) Be open to modeling successful folks
    - Find a Distance Mentor or someone that you feel that has attained the success in the field or area you want to involve yourself in. A common trait that most successful folks have is knowledge about themselves. THEY KNOW THAT No One Person Knows Everything about Anything.
    Let me put it to you this way - the most successful people in IM usually do not know everything about the industry or niche or whatever the heck it is they are involved in. The MOST SUCCESSFUL Folks usually partner up, are smart enough to take action QUICKLY, and Have a Good Gage on their strengths and weaknesses.
    Many have learned the art of delegating tasks and time consuming responsibilities to others - now known as "outsourcing."

    Take action, get started, have some success and then outsource to grow yourself even more.

    8 (a) NETWORK NETWORK NETWORK - im not just talking computer networks, or the internet, although there do exist forums both online and offline for you to network on. Meet like minded folks with the same or similar passions - seek out those who may have achieved a modicum of success and hang with them - offer them assistance, logistical or otherwise and see if you can't help them grow their ventures - as they grow, your knowledge will grow and you will be seen as a partner - kind of like an apprenticeship

    9) Stay Humble
    As You Grow to be a Successful Professional - Never Forget where you started
    Stay rooted and grounded and you will find that the normal roller-coaster ride that many "instant success stories" experience will instead be a smooth and straight-line transition; at the very least you will be ready for most setbacks when they do come - and trust me, they do come

    10) Take pride in your accomplishments
    This might seem anathema to #9 - but believe me its not - If you have toiled your way to the top THERE IS NOTHING WRONG with puffing your chest out and patting yourself on the back for a job well done. Going to extremes and boasting is where we part ways

    11) GIVE BACK
    We all start form somewhere - don't lose sight of that. When you are at the apex and looking down at the newbies trying to find their way, make it a point to encourage and educate. No One gets very far without some help. Be a mentor - give words of encouragement - help someone out.
    I'm not saying to "give folks the fish," but at the very least point them to the right lake or show them the best fishing rod manufacturer

    12) BE SELF-LESS - Start or Contribute to a worthwhile cause
    We are all in this to make a better life for ourselves and our family, present and future - I know that is why I signed up here - to learn and grow. In my personal and professional life, I have attained satisfaction of the greatest degree in helping others - as you grow financially and professionally, make it a point to contribute to a worthwhile cause. The satisfaction you attain out of giving of yourself and aiding those in need spans and exceeds the physical capacity for joy. What do I mean by this? I am a firm believer in karmic energy - no I am not a "new age hippy" or anything like that - I believe in positive energy and I try to contribute to the positive side of the balance on the karmic universal scale - however small my contributions are - Do it and take pride in it -


    WHATEVER YOU DO - Take Action - take action today!

    Even if it is a small step, say getting a domain name and hosting account, or completing the niche research you have been planning on starting! Get it down - small steps Lead to Big Successes!

    Start your journey to success NOW!
    - A Journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step -

    Warmest Regards,

    - JT
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  • Profile picture of the author daddykool
    More FUNKY graphics to spread the love with... LOL

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    • Profile picture of the author JTzor
      I like it!

      - JT
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  • Profile picture of the author Diane S
    $2757 for Kim's fund
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    • Profile picture of the author JTzor
      Today is 4/7/2011

      Remember that Number that Diane Posted.

      WE

      WILL

      DWARF

      IT!

      Mark my words

      - JT
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        I figure it means that now we only have to raise $47,243

        Originally Posted by JTzor View Post

        Today is 4/7/2011

        Remember that Number that Diane Posted.

        WE

        WILL

        DWARF

        IT!

        Mark my words

        - JT
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    Absolutely Agreed..... Still putting the finger polish on my contribution to the Mega WSO...

    This thing is going to be AMAZING!

    I was talking to JT the other day... even though he couldn't tell me the details... he said most of the contributors were 100% content. No fluff... No hype...

    Just straight up POW!

    This history making event is going to get even more amazing as things develop!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Okay , today I am creating a mastermind group on tmf for anyone who wants to be involved in the process of developing ideas... Im am going through the info JT sent and mine, trying to determine what needs ad copy and what we need to write copy for , in the meantime Darren is Generating ideas for layouts and ALL STAR graphics...

    We are also launching our own very short limited wso and taking only 15 customers this week to create a small amount of funds for outsourced graphics, and whatever else might be needed to spend the next 3 weeks BLOWING UP this program. Trust me, the volcanoe is fixing to erupt, still waters run deep... a little off schedule admittedly, mostly due to me having to be Mr. Mom (Just had a baby boy) this week, and also because I sprung this on Darren out of the Blue (Who fully supports the idea).

    Darren suggested we add, our most valuable product, a $97.00 lifetime Gold TMF Membership to the package. Great value, lots of manual labor on our end though because registration isnt automated. Still Kim is worth it and we are going to do it. This product alone is worth the cost of the entire mega wso, so are many of the others being contributed.

    So rest assured we are still destined to achieve our objective and still headed toward our desired outcome, we will inevitably be arriving at our destination shortly.

    Been here, done this.

    As Esther Hicks Says; "Just because you stop in Yuma Arizona and stay in a hotel for the night, doesnt mean you arent still on your way to california". That rings true here... we are back on the hwy this eve. Full blast. Pedal to the metal.

    I am going through every program one at a time at this moment, and sending to Darren first the ones that already have reasonable ad copy and graphics, and then what Im left with I will create copy. Darren is excellent at taking bits of your sales page and working with them... so if you have a sales page to go along with your submission but havent sent it in please do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Okay , today I am creating a mastermind group on tmf for anyone who wants to be involved in the process of developing ideas... Im am going through the info JT sent and mine, trying to determine what needs ad copy and what we need to write copy for , in the meantime Darren is Generating ideas for layouts and ALL STAR graphics...

      We are also launching our own very short limited wso and taking only 15 customers this week to create a small amount of funds for outsourced graphics, and whatever else might be needed to spend the next 3 weeks BLOWING UP this program. Trust me, the volcanoe is fixing to erupt, still waters run deep... a little off schedule admittedly, mostly due to me having to be Mr. Mom (Just had a baby boy) this week, and also because I sprung this on Darren out of the Blue (Who fully supports the idea).

      Darren suggested we add, our most valuable product, a $97.00 lifetime Gold TMF Membership to the package. Great value, lots of manual labor on our end though because registration isnt automated. Still Kim is worth it and we are going to do it. This product alone is worth the cost of the entire mega wso, so are many of the others being contributed.

      So rest assured we are still destined to achieve our objective and still headed toward our desired outcome, we will inevitably be arriving at our destination shortly.

      Been here, done this.

      As Esther Hicks Says; "Just because you stop in Yuma Arizona and stay in a hotel for the night, doesnt mean you arent still on your way to california". That rings true here... we are back on the hwy this eve. Full blast. Pedal to the metal.

      I am going through every program one at a time at this moment, and sending to Darren first the ones that already have reasonable ad copy and graphics, and then what Im left with I will create copy. Darren is excellent at taking bits of your sales page and working with them... so if you have a sales page to go along with your submission but havent sent it in please do.
      I wonder how long the WSO thread is going to be. We will need to reserve several threads! HaHa!

      I am excited for this and can't wait to jump in and buy this. Not only am I getting tremendous value, but I am helping to save a Warrior! That is what this place is all about: community. Without the WarriorForum, I would have no knowledge whatsoever about internet marketing. The stuff I would have learned would be all guru BS. Because of the WF, you get to talk to real people with real personalities and real life results.

      I absolutely love the way this place works and hope it stays that way for a long long time!
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      • Profile picture of the author JTzor
        Big Mike

        Do you have any idea how stellar this is going to be?

        Power packed and information rich!

        I'm telling you man - I cannot wait for the testimonials to come in - I honestly think with the amount of content that this WSO is going to be loaded with, im not sure that anyone will be able to go fully through it in less than 1 week's time.

        Just my insider's opinion!

        I feel your energy man - the ground is starting to tremble a little bit

        - JT
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      • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
        Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

        I wonder how long the WSO thread is going to be. We will need to reserve several threads! HaHa!

        I am excited for this and can't wait to jump in and buy this. Not only am I getting tremendous value, but I am helping to save a Warrior! That is what this place is all about: community. Without the WarriorForum, I would have no knowledge whatsoever about internet marketing. The stuff I would have learned would be all guru BS. Because of the WF, you get to talk to real people with real personalities and real life results.

        I absolutely love the way this place works and hope it stays that way for a long long time!
        That is very true Mike.... I have had several phone conversations and skype meeting with several Warriors.

        You can really pick and choose the ones that are just here to sell me something or the ones that are here to be of service. The ones that genuinely reach out to give a hand up. Not a hand out.

        I have spoken with JT and JD both on the phone. And yes... as a result of getting to know JD he has personally coached me on how to properly release a WSO. I didn't even want to...

        He talked me into it.

        Just from getting to know each other, John helped me cultivate ideas of based on my individual experiences and how to turn those into a WSO. Then held my hand as I did the initial launch. That first WSO was only a few pages and I didn't think it was much... but it made over $2,000 based on the tips and tricks that John gave me... I couldn't believe it!! There was a time when that would have been a full time income!

        Not only do I get to help people by sharing my experience. But I get to compensate my efforts and for my time and the value of my knowlege. Pretty cool if you ask me.
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        • Profile picture of the author graphicsgenie
          If a product doesnt have a sales page with it, dont use it (in my opinion)

          If the owner can't be bothered to do one, then the product cant be up to much (again, there will be exceptions, but generally I would imagine the above is correct)

          We only need to write copy for the package as a whole. Each of the products will be inside a 'box' of its own on the page (self contained).

          People seem to be making this harder than it should be, the products/price will make this a great deal. Don't overcomplicate.

          Darren
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by graphicsgenie View Post

            If a product doesnt have a sales page with it, dont use it (in my opinion)

            If the owner can't be bothered to do one, then the product cant be up to much (again, there will be exceptions, but generally I would imagine the above is correct)

            We only need to write copy for the package as a whole. Each of the products will be inside a 'box' of its own on the page (self contained).

            People seem to be making this harder than it should be, the products/price will make this a great deal. Don't overcomplicate.

            Darren
            Good to hear from my brilliant partner. Always "K.I.S.S", even on the BIG projects.

            The value will sell itself... The design is in the best hands on the WF. Dats U "d". I mean c'mon, the TMF GOLD membership alone is worth the 5 times price of the WSO.

            This is a no brainer... just alot of work.

            A Warrior always gets their target... in this case a collective target. We got this.
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  • Profile picture of the author mouseffects
    Hey, John.

    I just found the thread about Kim although JT told me about the WSO a couple weeks ago. I've already donated my offline consulting e-book but have historically be terrible writing sales copy for WSOs so I didn't include any.

    I don't want to put any more burden on you so if I need to write something, let me know and I'll give it a shot (I'm an offline guy although been involved with the Forum since 2007 so my sales letter approach is a bit different than the ones on the Forum).

    However, I'm relatively good with graphics so if I can be of service, I'll be glad to. I'd love to do more but don't know how to help. Give me some ideas and I'll be glad to do whatever I can.

    This cause is important and I can't wait to see how much it makes.

    Let's shatter some records!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
    My apologies for not getting it to you sooner, John. I just emailed you Incansoft's contribution. It's a BIG Mike report that has seen very limited distribution and is no longer available through our catalog.

    Major props to everyone working on this project!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by John Rogers View Post

      My apologies for not getting it to you sooner, John. I just emailed you Incansoft's contribution. It's a BIG Mike report that has seen very limited distribution and is no longer available through our catalog.

      Major props to everyone working on this project!

      THANKS JOHN! WILL INCLUDE IT AT THE LAST MINUTE!

      SAVED BY THE BELL!!!!




      Ps. John may be the only one that gets the big red letters! Dont worry you arent crazy!:p It DOES have quite alot of shock value though looking at it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diane S
    $2998!

    Hey, where did our number ending in '7' go?
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  • Profile picture of the author rahmat
    Wow... gold stuff in this thread.

    I've already subscribed to this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior AllStars
    LOOK OUT!!!

    The WSO WHAT ATE THE WHOLE ENTIRE PLANET IS COMING!

    The monster monolithic majorly massive MEGA WSO... is coming... Run hide your keywords!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Amir Luis
    Hide your keywords.... lol...
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Amir Luis View Post

      Hide your keywords.... lol...
      Interesting I swear to God I was just thinking of you... Skype time... too synchronistic.
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      • Profile picture of the author BrashImpact
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Interesting I swear to God I was just thinking of you... Skype time... too synchronistic.
        John,
        i tried to follow this Thread and Apologize as i just found it. I am Happy to Contribute the,
        How to Hire Super Stars Manifesto: How to hire super stars any time, any place, for any job or task... and more importantly how to keep them around.

        It's 26 pages in PDF and a complete and Thorough Guide. I suck at sales copy, but if i need to include some please let me know.

        Where do I send the zip file, upload...or what would you like me too do sir?

        Regards,
        Robert Nelson
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by BrashImpact View Post

          John,
          i tried to follow this Thread and Apologize as i just found it. I am Happy to Contribute the,
          How to Hire Super Stars Manifesto: How to hire super stars any time, any place, for any job or task... and more importantly how to keep them around.

          It's 26 pages in PDF and a complete and Thorough Guide. I suck at sales copy, but if i need to include some please let me know.

          Where do I send the zip file, upload...or what would you like me too do sir?

          Regards,
          Robert Nelson
          just send to Johndurham1969@yahoo.com

          If you are late its okay because we are going to be recieving submissions in months to come and sending them out as free upgrades to the package so that the customers purchase continues increasing in value long after they purchase, so if you got in late your contribution will be just as valuable and serve as a great bonus surprise when someone opens their email. Your re;port will make them say "Man!Im glad I did that"!
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          • Profile picture of the author BrashImpact
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            just send to Johndurham1969@yahoo.com

            If you are late its okay because we are going to be recieving submissions in months to come and sending them out as free upgrades to the package so that the customers purchase continues increasing in value long after they purchase, so if you got in late your contribution will be just as valuable and serve as a great bonus surprise when someone opens their email. Your re;port will make them say "Man!Im glad I did that"!
            John,
            File sent for Superstars Manifesto, please confirm you received via email.
            Thanks
            Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author George Pitts
    Uncle John im down. Just tell me what you need me to do. I dont have much to offer but whatever I will
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Has everybody checked out the MEGA WSO...? If yes please give some feed back...

    Does it THUD like we wanted?


    Maybe you can help us tweak it huh?

    What are your suggestions!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Has everybody checked out the MEGA WSO...? If yes please give some feed back...

      Does it THUD like we wanted?

      Maybe you can help us tweak it huh?

      What are your suggestions!
      How are the sales going John?
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Mike McAleer View Post

        How are the sales going John?
        I havent checked with kim because they all go directly to him, but so far everything is about going average... we had hoped it would go more massive on the first day or two, but its still early and we are still working hard so... good things come when you are persistent!

        In all honesty I think some of us are feeling a little disheartened...but who hasnt felt disheartened on the road to brilliant success before!

        Bumps and feelings of being disheartened are road signs that most have seen on the way to every great thing that has ever come... These are just roadsigns on the success highway.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Actually Mike McAleer has an awesome, really brilliant idea... if we have to tweak the plan... Hey first you give off a warning, and if the opposition dont give in... you go all SILVER BACK GUERRILLA on em...

      Plan B... lol GUERRILLA WAR TIME!

      Warriors ALWAYS get their man.

      Nobody said we werent still gonna have to do this below FTW!

      Thats the difference between Warriors and wanna be's ... What they do when it gets like THIS:

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      • Profile picture of the author MerlynSanchez
        I bought the Mega WSO and have only gone through Offline Sales Trebuchet by Michael Hiles.

        Great stuff! His audio and notes alone are easily worth the $97 for anyone interested in building an offline marketing business.

        One of the biggest problems that I see with a lot of the information going around on offline marketing is that it doesn't teach you how to differentiate yourself. Ultimately, you will become a commodity which clients will hire based solely on price. This isn't a big problem for those looking for a temporary cash cow but hurts those who are thinking long-term.

        As a marketing consultant to small business owners, I can tell you that his report will show you how to move beyond just providing SEO or mobile websites, etc., and into creating a sustainable business.

        So, if that's what you want, buy this WSO today!

        I'm really looking forward to diving into the rest of the material!
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Thanks Merlyn... it's definately not the usual "buy this and money will fly out of your monitor" stuff. But it's one of the things I consistently see talked about on WF in regard to packaging services, pricing, etc...

    It's an entire blueprint because if someone follows the entire strategy all the way through, they automatically have a service delivery model for the back end of their business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Warrior AllStars
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Thanks Merlyn... it's definately not the usual "buy this and money will fly out of your monitor" stuff. But it's one of the things I consistently see talked about on WF in regard to packaging services, pricing, etc...

      It's an entire blueprint because if someone follows the entire strategy all the way through, they automatically have a service delivery model for the back end of their business.
      Its first class. What we would have anticipated (and I do mean anticipated).
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Thanks Merlyn... it's definately not the usual "buy this and money will fly out of your monitor" stuff. But it's one of the things I consistently see talked about on WF in regard to packaging services, pricing, etc...

      It's an entire blueprint because if someone follows the entire strategy all the way through, they automatically have a service delivery model for the back end of their business.
      but you just hit the nail on the head.

      Action breeds results. I use to be teh one the whined nothing worked. But idiotic me, of course I did nothing with the info. You can whinge all your want but ini the end it is up to you, test and try things out. Action is what bring results not checking your iphone every 2 mintues and watch your tv sitting on your fat arese.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Tis package is awesome!

    I dontated to the package as others... and I still bought it... its worth ten times the price, really.

    I'll tell you what there are alot of marketers here... but the WARRIORS (family)... family? No family?

    The truth is self evident. Family is what Family does.

    The real Warriors , the ones who are family, are gonna have their names on this list of report buyers!

    Glad mine is!
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  • Profile picture of the author Diane S
    The Mega WSO is now available at Warrior Allstars
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike McAleer
    In need of an update.... how is this WSO going?
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