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by Tara
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I am looking for a source or starting point to gather names, addresses, ect...for my target market. I am not interested in buying a list, I would like to gather the info myself....Not sure where to start. For Example:My target market would be residential suburban

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  • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
    Carrier Routes by ZIP Code Lookup

    punch in a zip code and you will get a list of residential counts per carrier route.

    If your going to be mailing several hundred...then there is really no way but to buy a list.

    An "Occupant list" is simply all of the addresses in a given area you specify. These lists cost about a penny per address. To add the name its about a half cent more.

    The big advantage of occupant lists is a mailing service can sort these into "walk sequence"...meaning..the exact route the carrier delivers them...and you get a huge postage discount for doing most of the work for the post office ( postage is under 15 cents)

    This is a great way to brand dentists and similar professionals....very cheap for them to continually get their message in front of everyone within their reach. This is really where direct mail dominates in the local marketing game. Google ranking and other things can't touch it.

    The alternative to this is using simplified addressing: - but can only be done with rural routes, not inner city routes

    Postal Customer
    Rural Route
    city, state, zip

    You call the post office and get the official head count for each rural route you want to mail to, then count out your bundles to match the routes. Then you simply identify the bundles as routes and note the quanity on your tag also.

    Again, postage is under 15 cents.

    You CAN do this with city routes but only if your mailpiece is large enough to be considered a "flat" ( suggested size 8.5 x 11..not folded)

    postage in this case is still great at roughly 17 cents.

    Hope this helps

    Doran P
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
      Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post

      If your going to be mailing several hundred...then there is really no way but to buy a list.

      ...

      The big advantage of occupant lists is a mailing service can sort these into "walk sequence"...meaning..the exact route the carrier delivers them...and you get a huge postage discount for doing most of the work for the post office ( postage is under 15 cents)
      You DO NOT need to buy a list to do a (ECRWSS) carrier route saturation mailing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
        Originally Posted by Mr. Subtle View Post

        You DO NOT need to buy a list to do a (ECRWSS) carrier route saturation mailing.
        Well, I explained how to do it with no list...but...

        You do need one if you plan on sending a #10 envelope with a sales letter in it.
        You do if you plan on sending a 4x6 postcard, or even a 5.5x8.5 or 6x11 postcard.
        You do if you plan on sending a tri-folded self mailer.

        You can add their names, but still must say "or current occupant" in order to bypass the otherwise required NCOA process (address forwarding/correction)

        If you note my original post, I briefly describe how to do it with no list. - However, it only applies if you want to send something bigger than 11.5 x 8.25 inches (just one of the dimensions), and less than 1/4 inch thick, and you must mail at least 200 pieces and at least an entire route. The post office classifies these as "flats" - which, if you can cover the increased production costs is still a great idea and a big savings on postage.

        Tara could collect the names out of the phonebook however they could not be sorted as ECRWSS because she would not have the walksequence data which can only be produced by the USPS, and acquired by the public through a licensed list house, and processed by licensed software (which is expensive by the way)

        So yeah, technically you were right, but its situational

        DP
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        • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
          Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post

          Well, I explained how to do it with no list...but...

          You do need one if you plan on sending a #10 envelope with a sales letter in it.
          You do if you plan on sending a 4x6 postcard, or even a 5.5x8.5 or 6x11 postcard.

          ...
          Nope, you are incorrect.

          Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post

          ...they could not be sorted as ECRWSS because she would not have the walksequence data which can only be produced by the USPS, and acquired by the public through a licensed list house, and processed by licensed software (which is expensive by the way)
          Nope, you are incorrect.

          Even though I love a good debate I'll pass this time and let the facts back me up... which come directly from the "horse's mouth":



          (The above is a mini-flyer the USPS delivered earlier this year.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
    Originally Posted by Tara View Post

    I am looking for a source or starting point to gather names, addresses, ect...for my target market. I am not interested in buying a list, I would like to gather the info myself....Not sure where to start. For Example:My target market would be residential suburban

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  • Profile picture of the author Tara
    Thanx! Guys...I really appreciate you guys taking the time to reply to this post
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  • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
    That is some pretty good marketing on their part, however if you follow the link they gave, you'll find that their brochure cleverly left out an important piece of information.

    EDDM only applies to "Flats"

    I kind of think they did it sneakily on purpose, so they could draw attention to it.

    The good news for consumers is...according to my pals at the post office here...that EDDM could become applicalbe to "letter" sized mail sometime in the future....maybe soon.

    That means...those that are using radius or saturation mailings for their clients will be able to really ramp this service up because of the cost savings.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
      Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post

      That is some pretty good marketing on their part, however if you follow the link they gave, you'll find that their brochure cleverly left out an important piece of information.

      EDDM only applies to "Flats"
      You're missing my point and that is you do not need to buy a mailing list and then address each piece with a name/address. The addressing, whether flats or letters, is the same.

      Here's a sample of a postcard (8.5" x 5.5"... "Letter") sent ECRWSS:



      As you can see no name/address imprinted. The letters and postcards I get normally just say POSTAL CUSTOMER.

      http://imstucson.com/Forms/Acceptabl...s%20Format.pdf
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  • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
    We are talking about the same thing. - I'm just not so good at making it clear haha.

    Yes Tara can use simplified addressing to reach residences, however, not all addresses will be available to her in this format, and she should be made aware of this. - The exception is Carrier Routes.

    Which is why I went into the explanations.

    Note: When you use the term "carrier route" you really mean "postal route" - because the actual term carrier route refers to city routes, Rural Route refers to outside the city..then there are PO Box and HC ( highway contract) classifications as well. All of these can be sorted as ECRWSS.

    In the link you gave please note the first paragraph:

    It does not mention Carrier Routes, and/or (a.k.a) City Routes. The very last sentence refers to small towns where there are no city routes anyway.

    Using Simplified Addresses (for letter size) has been around long before this new "EveryDoorDirectMail" program, but it has only been applicable to rural routes and boxes. They still require us to sequence and barcode the city routes...unless we use flat size.

    So yeah, you are right, I just think you weren't aware that there are limitations to it.

    I'm pretty sure they marketed it that way on purpose.

    Simplified Address
    3.2.1 Conditions for General Use
    [1-2-11]
    The following conditions must be met when using a simplified address on commercial mailpieces:
    a. The simplified address format ("Postal Customer" or one of the optional formats in
    3.2.1a1 through 3.2.1a3) must be used on mail
    when complete distribution is made to each family (household residence) or boxholder on a rural or highway contract route, and to

    Post Office boxes in offices without city carrier service.


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