Mobile Apps

15 years ago

I am not entirely familiar with their program, but one thing I've found for small businesses is that Mobile Apps just aren't cost effective for them. You need to have at least 2 apps built (iPhone & Android) and then need to get people to use them. Just because somebody downloads it onto their phone doesn't mean they will actually check it. In fact, they most likely won't ever use it.

I've found that a good alternative is to sell the business a mobile website, but call it a Mobile Web App. Explain that a mobile web app can be used universally on any smartphone and you don't have to have separate apps made. Additionally, you can link it to a QR Code and businesses can put the QR Code on all their customer facing documents-- print advertising, business cards, letterhead, store front signs, etc... Customers can scan the code and be taken to the mobile website.

I'd be interested in hearing if anybody has had any luck selling apps to small businesses and what their strategies were....

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spacechimpmedia

15 years ago

There are services like AppMakr which you can make simple apps for super cheap. The greatest benefit for local business to have mobile apps is to be able to send push notifications to customers direct to their phones. However, as already said you have to get your customers to download it to make that useful.

I think for the right type of business models it woks and for others it doesn't. For example, who would want to downloads "Local Joes Paint Shop" app? Probably not that many people unless he had some cool color picker software or something but that gets them into an expensive app build which doesn't make sense. On the other hand you could probably get people to download "Super Hip Taco Shop" app and give customers special deals, menu items, and other info if they download the app.

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goldmills

15 years ago

I would say not every business should have an app. It's definitely not the right solution for all.

Also yes, I've found many app builders out there too, some are pretty good.

But the webinars, trainings, marketing info, sales info that comes to every GoMoble rep from Damien and his team is not going to be found anywhere out there.

You'll find app builders that only function as that, with no other support to help you.

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scarab 15 years ago

Apps are nice but not for everyone or every business. Mobile Web Apps ala Warrior Ben are far easier to build and do have a larger audience. Getting an average run of the mill app approved by Apple is not always a cinch.

I think as a marketers we should be prepared to sell both products because you never know when the opportunity to sell an App arises. Learn to use a couple of the App platforms out here and get you 6 or 7 HTML 5 templates. The more you know about product the easier it is to sell.
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Ckventure

15 years ago

Hi Jim

>>>I found this. Buyer Beware...

GoMobileSolutions.com - Mobile/Social for $997.00 on 08/29/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits.

WhoScammedYou : Bill me later : Us,CA <<<

These links from Mak25, suggest business practices that are not a good fit with your personal profile.

I understand that you give the webinars for this product.

I would be keen to read your comments.

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SemeS

15 years ago

As would I.

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Zodiac108

15 years ago

I don't like any product linked to Russell Brunson. Just me??

Russell Brunson, I'll never forget being scammed. I couldn't get my money back either. Russell Brunson reminds me of **** free trial offers - similar style. Yep, it's a different product and I was about to buy as I particularly liked the idea of using sendoutcards.com + brownies + demo of the app but when I googled and found RB was involved, so no not gonna get my money.

Back in the day....
I ordered a $7 trial (one month) subscription of an Internet Marketing magazine from Russel B (2007/8). The magazine arrived and didn't have much substance inside so I canceled the "trial" but my credit card kept being billed for close to $80 NZD/month for around sixteen pages or so and freight. TRIED to contact customer services but couldn't get through to anyone. Contacted my bank (BNZ) who said they couldn't stop the withdrawals as they originated from a bank in the US. This continued for around six months. The annoying thing, aside from being scammed in the first place, was that my bank said even if I canceled my card the payments would still go out - WHAT!?? As you can imagine frantic visits to the site where I signed up ensued trying to find out what the hell I'd agreed to and why I couldn't stop this. Turns out the site was just misleading and not expecting to be scammed I didn't pick up issues until it was too late.

I had to get my bank to complain to the US Bank which convienently took their time to stop things. I look back and ask myself how is that even possible??

Yea, apologies for slightly off topic rant but I think ya should know. To those of you who disagree....well good for you but I'm not going to risk that amount of money ($997 USD) with this guy.

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enterpryzman

15 years ago

I had the same exact complaint with him and will never trust what he is selling unless I research it myself first.

Enterpryzman

Originally Posted by Zodiac108

I don't like any product linked to Russell Brunson. Just me??

Russell Brunson, I'll never forget being scammed. I couldn't get my money back either. Russell Brunson reminds me of **** free trial offers - similar style. Yep, it's a different product and I was about to buy as I particularly liked the idea of using sendoutcards.com + brownies + demo of the app but when I googled and found RB was involved, so no not gonna get my money.

Back in the day....
I ordered a $7 trial (one month) subscription of an Internet Marketing magazine from Russel B (2007/8). The magazine arrived and didn't have much substance inside so I canceled the "trial" but my credit card kept being billed for close to $80 NZD/month for around sixteen pages or so and freight. TRIED to contact customer services but couldn't get through to anyone. Contacted my bank (BNZ) who said they couldn't stop the withdrawals as they originated from a bank in the US. This continued for around six months. The annoying thing, aside from being scammed in the first place, was that my bank said even if I canceled my card the payments would still go out - WHAT!?? As you can imagine frantic visits to the site where I signed up ensued trying to find out what the hell I'd agreed to and why I couldn't stop this. Turns out the site was just misleading and not expecting to be scammed I didn't pick up issues until it was too late.

I had to get my bank to complain to the US Bank which convienently took their time to stop things. I look back and ask myself how is that even possible??

Yea, apologies for slightly off topic rant but I think ya should know. To those of you who disagree....well good for you but I'm not going to risk that amount of money ($997 USD) with this guy.

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philipdwyer 14 years ago

The best way to look at your advice you are getting...do any of these people use Damien and Russell's program? If answer is no, then throw out their advice, they do not know what they are talking about. Just my two cents.
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- Jae Sampson 14 years ago
  
  I was invited to a Go Mobile webinar by Chris and Adam Bowser back in August. Chris and Adam are successful eBay coaches, and are cousins to Dave Lindahl of commercial real estate fame from Massachusetts.
  
  I have been working with Chris and Adam for some time and I trust them. They helped me to generate over 10K part time last year selling online so when they promoted the Go Mobile webinar and the opportunity to create mobile apps I took notice.
  
  My husband has become very skeptical, as we did get burned a few years back by some other scam artists, and did not want to listen to another webinar - but I did. I was blown away by what I learned.
  
  I got the replay of the webinar and finally did get my husband to listen to it. We are artists/photographers by trade and recently closed our photo studio after 13 years due to the economy and shifts in the industry. Creating mobile apps seemed to be right up our alley, and he agreed.
  
  We ended up getting in touch with Jeff and spoke to him for over an hour while he patiently answered all of our questions. We were then put in touch with Damien, and we also spoke at length to him about the Go Mobile opportunity. Next I did a google search on the company and Damien, but didn't find too much on either. We signed up shortly afterward. I have to add that it was not a convenient time to come up with the sign-up fee either. We scraped up the cash because I had a gut feeling this was going to be a good ride.
  
  We designed and sold our first app within a week or so with Damien's help and training, and have since sold many more. We have several currently on the burner.
  
  I have very mixed feelings about posting this. We don't need or want anymore competition. I'm writing this for selfish reasons. The negativity about Go Mobile, Damien, and Jeff that is being spewed here is just wrong, and some of our clients are beginning to ask about it.
  
  So here is what I know:
  
  We are so glad that we signed up with Go Mobile. As I said we are photographers, not salespeople, so Damien, his training and coaching have been of immense value to us. BiznessApps should be thanking him, because I never heard of them before I started tracking where all this garbage was coming from. Damien does indeed add value to the platform, and we don't regret getting involved for one second. As far as BiznessApps is concerned - have you heard? You can now also build your own website for free? You can also cut your own hair, fix your own car, do you own dental work, do your own lobotomy...all for free!
  
  Anyway, we know Damien and Jeff to both be stand up guys. They have always returned our calls and emails in a timely manner, and have answered all of our questions.
  
  If Damien promotes another speaker or webinar I'm sure it is because he believes it will help his students' business. Yes, he probably gets some cut, but think about what you would do in a similar situation.
  
  As Jeff said, call him or the office if you want the real story on the lawsuit. I know many successful people that have been sued for various reasons - some just because they got too big or stepped on someone's toes. So find out for yourself before you start reposting harmful things online.
  
  Tech support at Go Mobile has been good to excellent, and Damien is always working to improve it. The training site - and that's what it is, not a site for the general public - is awesome and a wealth of information.
  
  The product is fantastic, people are excited about it, and want an app once it's capabilities are explained properly. Just about every business can use a mobile app - so those of you who are complaining that not every business is going to want or need a mobile app should maybe sign up with Damien and find out how to sell them.
  
  Make no mistake. This is not a get rich quick anything - it is basically a sales position, and however you want to run that is up to you. Whether you want to design the apps yourself like we do, hire it out, or have Go Mobile do it for you, you have that freedom.
  
  This isn't a business opportunity for whiners, complainers, lazy excuse making people. Anybody can do this and be successful, but not everybody will - just don't blame Damien, Jeff or Go Mobile if you aren't because I know they care and are there for you.
  
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14 years ago

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Originally Posted by spacechimpmedia

There are services like AppMakr which you can make simple apps for super cheap. The greatest benefit for local business to have mobile apps is to be able to send push notifications to customers direct to their phones. However, as already said you have to get your customers to download it to make that useful.

I think for the right type of business models it woks and for others it doesn't. For example, who would want to downloads "Local Joes Paint Shop" app? Probably not that many people unless he had some cool color picker software or something but that gets them into an expensive app build which doesn't make sense. On the other hand you could probably get people to download "Super Hip Taco Shop" app and give customers special deals, menu items, and other info if they download the app.

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santabreganza 14 years ago

I like and appreciate the way you work to market the product. You really made my day and I will visit your site. Thanks again for the tips.
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sdentrepreneur

15 years ago

I work for a Social Media and Internet Marketing Company, we also develop Mobile Apps that are aimed at Reward Loyalty. We sell this App for $8K to $10K and then $3K for maintaining and getting people to downloads and use that App.
Your app has to be EXTREMELY useful and requires a complete Mobile Marketing strategy.
Like mentioned....most small businesses can afford a high quality useful App.

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sdentrepreneur

15 years ago

I work for a Social Media and Internet Marketing Company, we also develop Mobile Apps that are aimed at Reward Loyalty. We sell this App for $8K to $10K and then $3K for maintaining and getting people to downloads and use that App.
Your app has to be EXTREMELY useful and requires a complete Mobile Marketing strategy.
Like mentioned....most small businesses can afford a high quality useful App.

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mak25

15 years ago

I found this. Buyer Beware...

GoMobileSolutions.com - Mobile/Social for $997.00 on 08/29/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits.

http://www.whoscammedyou.com/scams/3713/Bill_me_later

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Derek Amores

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mak25

I found this. Buyer Beware...

GoMobileSolutions.com - Mobile/Social for $997.00 on 08/29/2011 - Scambook - Scam Reports, Complaints, Class Action Lawsuits.

WhoScammedYou : Bill me later : Us,CA

@mak25 - Thanks for the links. I attended one of the webinars. I almost bought it. The difference with the app and mobile web app is the push notification feature of apps. This feature sells itself for prospects who have customers who need to be updated on a regular basis. Such as realtors who can push out a new listing.

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D Griff 15 years ago

Thanks just got off a replay of a webinar and now the price is up to $1497 if paid all at once. I am glad came into the WF right after. Thanks all.
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MoneyMagnetMagnate

15 years ago

Originally Posted by sdentrepreneur

I work for a Social Media and Internet Marketing Company, we also develop Mobile Apps that are aimed at Reward Loyalty. We sell this App for $8K to $10K and then $3K for maintaining and getting people to downloads and use that App.
Your app has to be EXTREMELY useful and requires a complete Mobile Marketing strategy.
Like mentioned....most small businesses can afford a high quality useful App.

You meant to say "can't afford", right?

8 to 10k / 3k maint is sort of out of the realm for most SMB...
It would really have to pay off - like you said, extremely useful -

The firms paying for your APP have a larger Ad budget than most mom&pop...

you have the advantage on me being in San Diego for 10k APPs -

(fewer big fish in this smaller pond...)

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WillR

15 years ago

Definitely sounds like they are just trying to push something for the hell of it. Small businesses do not needs apps. I am not going to download an app for all the local businesses I like and I doubt many other people are going to either. A website and mobile website to match is the most cost effective sensible solution.

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stephenkidd

14 years ago

Apps are cool but not useful for every business. Small business dnt need apps, on other side, Some business will benefit from having an app while others will have no idea what to do or how to implement this new technology.

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LiquidSeo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by stephenkidd

Apps are cool but not useful for every business. Small business dnt need apps, on other side, Some business will benefit from having an app while others will have no idea what to do or how to implement this new technology.

Hi Stephen,

Agree - super cool, but usefulness is dependent on the business. What is not in doubt is the sheer "sizzle" that surrounds apps.

My team is building apps for local businesses and selling them quite well. We charge $2500 (which we split up however we need to for the sale), and a $50 a mos. hosting fee.

I use a team in Vietnam and another team in India. Hit or miss in truth until you get some experience working with them.

I've done some research on Bizness Apps and Go Mobile. I'm actually testing Go Mobile (aka Bizness Apps) out right now.

Brian

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jrod014

14 years ago

Originally Posted by LiquidSeo

Hi Stephen,

Agree - super cool, but usefulness is dependent on the business. What is not in doubt is the sheer "sizzle" that surrounds apps.

My team is building apps for local businesses and selling them quite well. We charge $2500 (which we split up however we need to for the sale), and a $50 a mos. hosting fee.

I use a team in Vietnam and another team in India. Hit or miss in truth until you get some experience working with them.

I've done some research on Bizness Apps and Go Mobile. I'm actually testing Go Mobile (aka Bizness Apps) out right now.

Brian

Why not skip the middleman and go striaght to the source (bizness apps)?

Biznness apps just dropped their prices for resellers, allowing for more profit.

Jerry

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seanster

15 years ago

All told, mobile apps have their place. Whats going to happen, is these business will drop bucks because they "feel" like they got to have the app. Its only going to be successful to the point the customer is loyal. If I don't frequent a place enough, why in the hell would I want a app clogging the small screen on my phone? So its only as good as people using it, so in time some will love it, some will bitch they spent the money.

There is a App Fee per business of $39/mo which covers support and Push messages, which is good, but most businsses won't use that much.

Use mobile web apps from with sencha, phone gap or AppMakr mentioned above. But if you want easy and fast and know a business will use it, go with them. But your buying a business and tons of tools, so if you don't have the time don't do it.

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cybernet

15 years ago

I'm confused... are you, guys, saying they are legit business or is it a scam?

Can anyone recommend an alternative app builder that is EASY - drag and drop - for non tech person?

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Blazon1

15 years ago

Originally Posted by cybernet

I'm confused... are you, guys, saying they are legit business or is it a scam?

Can anyone recommend an alternative app builder that is EASY - drag and drop - for non tech person?

I had joined last night, although on the payment plan. After going through things a bit last night and today, I don't think I can evaluate this properly within the 30 day refund period. Also, after doing some research on Damien and reading through the forum posts, I'm getting the wrong vibe from this service. I'll be requesting a refund, but most likely will be doing so via Visa since it sounds like these guys don't honor their 30-day refund period. I would say one to avoid.

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Blazon1 15 years ago

Actually, after reading the one scam report, I guess I better be sure that I was only charged the first payment and not the whole amount. Also, I noticed that no payment receipt was provided after my payment was made. I'll be calling the bank tomorrow.
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refundsgomobile

15 years ago

Hi my name is Leo and I work in the billing / refunds department for GoMobileSolutions. If anyone ever needs assistance with a refund you may call our toll free support number at 877-518-5777 and ask for Leo, or email your request to refunds at gomobilesolutions.com and in the subject line state Refund Request and I will get you taken care of.

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nomadic1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by refundsgomobile

Hi my name is Leo and I work in the billing / refunds department for GoMobileSolutions. If anyone ever needs assistance with a refund you may call our toll free support number at 877-518-5777 and ask for Leo, or email your request to refunds at gomobilesolutions.com and in the subject line state Refund Request and I will get you taken care of.

Leo,

Requested a refund a couple days ago, have not heard anything back yet. Followed your instructions in the thread.

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refundsgomobile

15 years ago

Hi my name is Leo and I work in the billing / refunds department for GoMobileSolutions. If anyone ever needs assistance with a refund you may call our toll free support number at 877-518-5777 and ask for Leo, or email your request to refunds at gomobilesolutions.com and in the subject line state Refund Request and I will get you taken care of.

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Mike Grzywacz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by refundsgomobile

Hi my name is Leo and I work in the billing / refunds department for GoMobileSolutions. If anyone ever needs assistance with a refund you may call our toll free support number at 877-518-5777 and ask for Leo, or email your request to refunds at gomobilesolutions.com and in the subject line state Refund Request and I will get you taken care of.

Hi Leo,

I sent an email to support(at)gomobilesolutions.com 4 days ago, but have not heard back from anyone regarding it yet.

Is this delay normal? I'm just keen to check you received my request and that it's being processed. Please let me know.

I tried to PM you but as my post count is below 50 I'm not able to send PM's here yet.

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hernani 15 years ago

you can get a free app builder and no ads. try conduit.com mobile apps. It´s nice and simple
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Wild

15 years ago

It sounds like an interesting program but expensive. Since you are essentially a sales rep for them, I don't see why they charge so much to join. I guess that's pure commission. BTW, I've had apps custom built for $500. I don't know why people are paying thousands for apps. Programming is cheap. You can make apps like this with some services for free. It's cumbersome, but doable.

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jrod014

15 years ago

While I do agree most businesses don't need a mobile app, some businesses can take advantage of the benefits that apps can provide. Shooting ranges, restaurants, bars, clubs, ice rinks, paintball fields, etc.

The point is to make the app interactive. Have a fan wall for a restaurant, allow mobile "check in's" with a coupon unlock feature, add a gallery where users can upload images to you mobile app gallery, add a simple shooting game within the app, offer discounts via push notifications (not too frequent). Offer a coupon to customers who allow push notifications.

Apps don't have to cost thousands. Our current rate for a small business app is about $300-$500 + $70 a month for iphone, ipad and android apps. And that's with a mobile website bundled with it.

Now Joe the Plumber might not need a mobile app but a mobile website might do him just fine.

Like wild stated before. I would look into your other options for creating mobile app before investing in any course.

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Rick88 15 years ago

I have heard that in Mobile Apps as a business on it's own is that you need a good strategy. Starting with Freemiums and then using "notifications" to lead to paid features or other paid apps.

I think it was Amish Shah that said you could get an app made using free software. I searched for this on google and found some free software that claims to be able to do this.

Does anyone have experience in using these free programs?

If so which could do you think is the best?

I know that you have different platforms for iPhone, Android, Windows, and Blackberry but is there one that would save your app in multiple platforms?
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Severin

Banned 15 years ago

I've been researching the app vs mobile site thing lately, I think apps are perfect for restaurants/bars/clubs/galleries etc, basically places with heavy foot traffic. I found a pretty good app maker at iBuildApp. Its free and you can send push notifications (which in my view is the clincher) plus you can develop in both iphone and android. The only thing missing is geolocation to offer coupons/discounts when the customer visits so my search continues. A few well placed qr codes in these places like table tents etc with a special offer for downloading will work really well i believe.

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amysmith

15 years ago

The owner of Go Mobile Solutions is Damien Zamora and he was sued for deceptive acts and practices by the FTC in 2003. He has been permanently restrained from misrepresenting the cost of purchasing a business opportunity and how much the purchasers are like to earn from the business opportunity. If you are having trouble getting your money back and if he in any way misrepresented the cost or potential income of the product, write your complaint to:
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enterpryzman

15 years ago

as for apps, I had one built for $ 250. and that included both Android and Apple. Then paying and applying to offer it in the stores took time on the Apple side and cost another couple hundred as I recall.

I am always looking for more simple apps to have created and given the right business, I think it would be good for locals to have one BUT, a mobile website is much easier.

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source47

15 years ago

A business partner of mine signed up for GoMobile Solutions. He is going to be in charge of sales and I will be creating the apps via the gomobile solutions app builder. I've been playing around with the builder and it seems very user friendly.

I will be using it for the next few months and then be able to give a better evaluation. As long as there aren't any issues with submitting the app to the marketplaces then I shouldn't need any support with building the app.

Another note: Each app costs the business owner $39/monthly because GoMobile Solutions will "host" the app (whatever that means) then the business owner is charged the $99/fee for Apple's marketplace.

I've looked into a couple of other app builders such as appmakr and conduit.com and those have less features tailored to small local businesses. I would use these other app builders if I were going to create a "content" app that is centered around a specific niche. I believe that Amish Shah has been doing this.

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refundsgomobile 15 years ago

Hello Sir I work for GoMobileSolutions, and I would just like help clear up the charges you have mentioned. The $39.95 a month fee is not for us to host the app, but it is a maintenance fee that the customer you sell the app to pays so they can have access to us directly for tech support, customer service, and changes to the app. The $99.00 fee your referring to is the one time submission fee that gets your app published to iTunes and the Android market place.
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eurotunes

15 years ago

I'm active in the mobile gambling industry and generate most traffic to my mobile sites, but recently I built a free app with the online service ibuildapp. It was downloaded over 20,000 times in just 2 months. So I'm quite enthousiastic about it and recommend you to build one too. It's very easy and free

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ldnassoc

15 years ago

I think I need to pass on go mobile solutions. does sound like a ton of money for what you get. better solutions elsewhere.

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TopGun38

15 years ago

Just went to the site gomobilesolutions.com and it doesn't load. It just keeps on looping.

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thehypnoguy

15 years ago

I'm definitely glad I did my research while listening to the Webinar. Damien Zamora seems to be someone to definitely stay away from. Here is the judgement against him from 2004 http://www.ftc.gov/os/2004/01/031211end70stip.pdf

$36,000,000 judgement with a $500,000 fine is pretty heavy duty.

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ablative 14 years ago

"$36,000,000 judgement with a $500,000 fine is pretty heavy duty."

[Martin - TheHypnoGuy's Quote above]

Hello, Martin (TheHypnoGuy),

Your perception and interpretation of the cited FTC case appears to be full of misperception.

Back in 2003, the FTC was on a "witch hunt" to investigate and prosecute internet marketers and producers of infomercials like Damien Zamora. That is well-documented. Frank Kern's description of what it's like to be sued by the FTC makes a great read. WF won't let me post that link until I hit 15 posts, but you can find it on his MassControlSite dot com blog.

Your last comment about Damien Zamora contains two linked elements:

#1 a misleading statement
#2 a false statement

Misleading language can cause people harm and cause harm to their businesses. Misinterpreting and misstating facts from a Federal Court Case is a serious matter. Unfortunately, the internet provides the opportunity for people to make negative or misleading claims about the misfortunes of others and make them appear to be factual, when they are, in reality, just their personal opinions or falsehoods.

Words have very specific meanings and the misuse of those terms can result in charges of libel (in the case of the written word) or slander (in the case of the spoken word).

If you actually Read and, more importantly, Understand what is outlined in the pdf above, you realize that the use of out-of-context words qualify as both False and Misleading.

A - The $36 million "judgment" was suspended in lieu of a settlement made between the parties "…to resolve all matters in dispute…" His assets were unfrozen. There was no admission of guilt because the Feds' case appeared weak and they didn't want to set a precedent.

B. - In Section II. F "No portion of any payments under the judgment herein shall be deemed a payment of any fine, penalty, or punitive assessment." Seriously. Why would you state that the $500,000 is a "fine" when the Federal Court said it was NOT?

Whenever I see a successful marketer who has a few resolved consumer complaints but a large number of positive reviews, I tend to believe that he or she is both successful and a reputable businessperson.

When people start criticizing others and play fast and loose with the facts, I am less likely to believe them but rather find in favor of the entrepreneur who is under attack. 25 years as a business owner has indeed colored my perspective on this.

In life, a successful person is bound to have a few stones thrown at them. That's the price of success. In fact, if nobody's complaining about you, you're probably just not providing enough value to the marketplace and you're certainly not making an abundant income.

Finally, although in 2003, the FTC investigators believed that "All informercials are scams" and that internet marketing was also illegal, the good people in internet marketing have risen to the top. Let's learn from their experiences so that we don't fall into the same traps. Let's all exercise good judgment and use our words carefully.

Much success and abundance to you all in 2012!

Dr. Christopher Vogelmann (aka "Dr. V." and "ablative")

Disclosures:
1) I was "pre-law" at Harvard and am blessed to have many helpful friends and relatives who are both judges and attorneys.
2) I recently purchased this course from GoMobile Solutions and have thus far been happy with their training and service.
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thehypnoguy

15 years ago

I also don't know of a lot of small businesses that are going to pony up $1500 and get a suitable ROI on their investment. I personally don't believe that apps are ultimately where it is all going to anyway. I believe mobile websites are where it will ultimately go for the mobile market.

I also don't believe in the death of the internet for desktops. You just can't get the same usability of a website on a mobile device as you get on your home computer or laptop. If mobile is where it is going then facebook better develop a way to display your custom tabs on fan pages.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by thehypnoguy

I also don't know of a lot of small businesses that are going to pony up $1500 and get a suitable ROI on their investment. I personally don't believe that apps are ultimately where it is all going to anyway. I believe mobile websites are where it will ultimately go for the mobile market.

I also don't believe in the death of the internet for desktops. You just can't get the same usability of a website on a mobile device as you get on your home computer or laptop. If mobile is where it is going then facebook better develop a way to display your custom tabs on fan pages.

Martin

Quite agree. Unless there's some way they can make mobile devices basically imitate a PC or laptop, they'll not be going away any time soon. Take an application like Camtasia - unless I'm very much mistaken, you can't use that on a mobile device. And that's just one example of many.

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StepAhead

15 years ago

Aps are good but not for every person and for every business coz i dnt knw a lot of small buissness which are ready to pay huge for this.

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Avatar1728 15 years ago

Ha! I am on a live webinar right now for Go Mobile Solutions, the invitation was sent to me by Mark Anastasi, a UK marketer. I was just doing a search for Go Mobile Solutions while listening to the webinar and this WF thread came up in the search results! Well, you can always rely on Warrior Forum for some credibility on programs/offers/individuals. Interestingly the guy hosting the webinar is going by the name Jeff Mills. Wondering if this guy has many aliases? So far the demo of the software looks good.. but not something I will be buying into.
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Voasi

15 years ago

Originally Posted by lambert58

Russell Brunson and Jeff Mills did webinars last week with Damien Zamora about selling local businesses their own Mobile App. Anyone attend or have any input??/ The company is GoMobile Solutions.

We've actually started selling the services. My sales reps have been calling all day today and already have 4 follow-up appts. Businesses are EXTREMELY interested in the app and want to know more. We haven't signed a deal just yet (started testing it out yesterday and today) but my sales reps have been telling me they're getting a TON of traction/response about it.

On a side note, GoMobile just moved into my same building, it was such a weird coincidence, as I had just heard about their services through my Mastermind and I checked it out, got excited and then my colleague told me they were based outta Newport Beach. So I asked to arrange a meeting for me... turns out their new office is in the same building as my office - which isn't a HUGE building... small world.

Anyway, the apps they're building can DEFINITELY be used by the RIGHT types of businesses. I highly recommend checking out their services/products and investing.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Voasi

We've actually started selling the services. My sales reps have been calling all day today and already have 4 follow-up appts. Businesses are EXTREMELY interested in the app and want to know more. We haven't signed a deal just yet (started testing it out yesterday and today) but my sales reps have been telling me they're getting a TON of traction/response about it.

On a side note, GoMobile just moved into my same building, it was such a weird coincidence, as I had just heard about their services through my Mastermind and I checked it out, got excited and then my colleague told me they were based outta Newport Beach. So I asked to arrange a meeting for me... turns out their new office is in the same building as my office - which isn't a HUGE building... small world.

Anyway, the apps they're building can DEFINITELY be used by the RIGHT types of businesses. I highly recommend checking out their services/products and investing.

HOW ARE YOUR REPS DOING NOW?

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Dr Dan

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Voasi

We've actually started selling the services. My sales reps have been calling all day today and already have 4 follow-up appts. Businesses are EXTREMELY interested in the app and want to know more. We haven't signed a deal just yet (started testing it out yesterday and today) but my sales reps have been telling me they're getting a TON of traction/response about it.

On a side note, GoMobile just moved into my same building, it was such a weird coincidence, as I had just heard about their services through my Mastermind and I checked it out, got excited and then my colleague told me they were based outta Newport Beach. So I asked to arrange a meeting for me... turns out their new office is in the same building as my office - which isn't a HUGE building... small world.

Anyway, the apps they're building can DEFINITELY be used by the RIGHT types of businesses. I highly recommend checking out their services/products and investing.

Nice and we just hosted a webinar for Jeff and we are really excited to now offer mobile apps to our own offline clients. From just having a mockup open on our screen while our clients meet with us... They are already opening up their checkbooks and asking if they can have one for their business too!

Hey... I am actually moving from the Bay Area to the Newport Beach area this weekend. So we will be neighbors!

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DennisMc

14 years ago

I'm on a Go Mobile Solutions webinar right now and glad I found this thread......LOL

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tylerjaysen

14 years ago

Yeah the webinar makes the product sound all awesome and the next best thing since sliced bread. Keep in mind that the company promoting the apps for local biz charges a monthly fee to each business (like $30) so that they can use the app that was created for them. So that's how they make money.

Some business will benefit from having an app while others will have no idea what to do or how to implement this new technology.

QR codes are cool and so are push notifications....but just like anything new..it's all cool....till you get a ton of spam on your smartphone and can't figure out how to stop the messages.

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AustralasianLadyBoy

14 years ago

This would have cost me 1.5 trips to Asia! Glad I found this thread about GoMobile : they are good salemen - and need to add reputation management services

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AustralasianLadyBoy

14 years ago

as above ^^ (double post - db error as I was posting)

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by lambert58

Russell Brunson

He was good on that show survivor.

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mobilemarketer2012

14 years ago

GoMobile is nothing more than a reseller for Biznessapps.com

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by mobilemarketer2012

GoMobile is nothing more than a reseller for Biznessapps.com

Their marketing strategies and tactics actually make them far more than a reseller. They have a lot of experience in approaching local businesses from many years of selling credit card processing systems. They are definitely worth a second look.

Dr. Vogelmann

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AppWarrior 14 years ago

I just watch the GoMobile Solutions Webinar. They extremely inflated (exaggerated) a lot of the statistics about computers, smart phones, cellphone users, and mobile apps and the list goes on. I having had a stats career on Wall Street and close contacts at Morgan Stanley and Nelson Ratings I can provide many true mobile statistics if anyone here needs them.

Having incorrect statistics that are inflated is just WRONG. I'm sure they are just trying to get more sales of the GoMobile Marketing Cash Profits product by fudging the numbers. They have to remember NOTHING SELLS BETTER LONG-TERM THAN THE TRUTH.
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Tyke

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ablative

Their marketing strategies and tactics actually make them far more than a reseller. They have a lot of experience in approaching local businesses from many years of selling credit card processing systems. They are definitely worth a second look.

Dr. Vogelmann

I'm on a Gomobile webinar right now. Sounds interesting. Since you purchased this, have you made any sales yet?

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jdmnet30 14 years ago

Has anyone compared the GMS to the new Skybuilder?
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karynb 14 years ago

I have purchased this product from go mobile solutions. The training is great. The video tutorials are straight forward and even a newbie like myself with limited technical experience can do this....
I have built a mock app and it looks fantastic when I preview it as a mobile app.
It took me about 40 mins to build this mock app and I am damn happy with it and I'm sure the business I have built it for will be very happy with it too..

Go mobile solutions also provide marketing strategies, solutions and much more to help you market these apps all of which is great for those who have limited technical experience.
I guess it comes down to how much effort you are prepared to put into making these apps and then to sell them.
I will come back and post once I have sold my first app...
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rbowen 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mobilemarketer2012

GoMobile is nothing more than a reseller for Biznessapps.com

Funny (ironic)! Here I am, months later (after your post), sitting in on another GoMobile Solutions webinar by Jeff Mills. So I asked him (in the webinar's Q&A box) about their relationship, if any, to Biznessapps.com.

Here's Jeff's assistant's reply, which I copied & pasted from the Q&A box"

"We're a value add partner of Bapps.. We offer the same white label option and pricing but provide a TON of value to the program with Systems, Training, Sales Training, Market Domination, Strategies and Coaching calls with Damien.. So the Bapps platform is the right software platform and working with GoMobile, you will plug into a system. We also offer financing, merchant accounts, leasing programs, Presentation tools.. Demo Web site.. I can go on and on.. But just know we would love to work personally with you if given the opportunity.. Thanks Richard"

I am intrigued by the opportunity, but still (very) leary of these guys - but, in fairness to them, that says more about my lack of knowledge of the opportunity & technology. I'll continue to research it.

Oh .. BTW ... I pointed out this WF thread & some of the raps about Scam Reports, etc., and he said that many of those people are (supposedly) Resellers. Then again, it seems that guy (Damien?) who - according to the thread posts (above) - has been sued and has at least one judgment against him - *is* their president, as I understand it .. but I'm really not sure .. not vy familiar with their company. I'm doing all of this on the fly, while I'm sitting in on their webinar.

These guys and their software/system might be great, for all I know - but then again, I *don't* know ... so I'd suggest doing a lot of "due diligence" before you decide - one way or the other.

Hope that helps.

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ablative

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lambert58

Russell Brunson and Jeff Mills did webinars last week with Damien Zamora about selling local businesses their own Mobile App. Anyone attend or have any input??/ The company is GoMobile Solutions.

I recently purchased this program via a webinar from Jeff Mills and Trey Smith. My friend, Nick Peal, also did one with Jeff Mills who promotes for Damien Zamora and GoMobile Solutions.

I did some investigating before buying and, despite a few negative, sniping comments in forums and on the web, I pulled the trigger.

Now that I have been viewing the video trainings and dealt with their support, I have been impressed with the TONS of Value that Damien and his crew are delivering. Their business delivers a tremendous amount of real life "boots-on-the-ground" strategies and tactics about selling to local business owners, not just some technological solution. The have Real Entrepreneur "meat and potatoes" stuff, not fluff.

Although the app creations platform is nice it really is their sales and marketing training that is the most valuable to me. FYI - I used to be a pharmaceutical sales rep and a merchandizing manager in a steel company. I have also been a chiropractor for nearly 25 years and have a lot of marketing and promotion experience in the "bricks and mortar" world.

So far, so good. Now on to making more sales!

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mobilemarketer2012

14 years ago

Ablative;

Nice to see you joined the WF and your first 3 posts were in defense of Go Mobile. But hey, I am new here too so I won't assume you are not genuine.

You stated "it really is their sales and marketing training that is the most valuable to me." Hmmm, to me that sounds like a company saying, "Oh @#$%, we just got outed selling a platform for $1000 that anyone can get for free so we better justify the $1000 by saying the training is sooooo valuable."

You stated, "Whenever I see a successful marketer who has a few resolved consumer complaints but a large number of positive reviews, I tend to believe that he or she is both successful and a reputable businessperson. "
Thats funny, whenever I see someone with a $36 million judgement against them I tend to believe they are successful but maybe not so reputable.

You see, Dr. V, I listened to the webinar with Jeff Mills. Here is a guy who promotes that he is a Christian yet I listened to him spew hyped up BS. Now many IM'ers spew hyped up BS but I haven't seen any yet who cloak themselves in a halo while lying to you. My hat's off to you for hitting a new low, Saint Jeff.

With all this great training you say they have, I'd like to know how many of their biz op seekers have actually sold an app to a local business. I'd like to know if you have sold one or if Jeff has actually sold one.

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Tyke

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mobilemarketer2012

Ablative;

Nice to see you joined the WF and your first 3 posts were in defense of Go Mobile. But hey, I am new here too so I won't assume you are not genuine.

You stated "it really is their sales and marketing training that is the most valuable to me." Hmmm, to me that sounds like a company saying, "Oh @#$%, we just got outed selling a platform for $1000 that anyone can get for free so we better justify the $1000 by saying the training is sooooo valuable."

You stated, "Whenever I see a successful marketer who has a few resolved consumer complaints but a large number of positive reviews, I tend to believe that he or she is both successful and a reputable businessperson. "
Thats funny, whenever I see someone with a $36 million judgement against them I tend to believe they are successful but maybe not so reputable.

You see, Dr. V, I listened to the webinar with Jeff Mills. Here is a guy who promotes that he is a Christian yet I listened to him spew hyped up BS. Now many IM'ers spew hyped up BS but I haven't seen any yet who cloak themselves in a halo while lying to you. My hat's off to you for hitting a new low, Saint Jeff.

With all this great training you say they have, I'd like to know how many of their biz op seekers have actually sold an app to a local business. I'd like to know if you have sold one or if Jeff has actually sold one.

Just my 2 cents.

Same question I just posed to him - how many sales so far? Curious to see if there's a response.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by mobilemarketer2012

You see, Dr. V, I listened to the webinar with Jeff Mills. Here is a guy who promotes that he is a Christian yet I listened to him spew hyped up BS. Now many IM'ers spew hyped up BS but I haven't seen any yet who cloak themselves in a halo while lying to you. My hat's off to you for hitting a new low, Saint Jeff.

Oh man - I am devastated - I've been found out.

Don't listen to me anyone because I am a Christian.
Therefore, everything I say is hype - just so you know.

And because I am a Christian - immediately think of me as a bad Christian because judgement is a cool thing to do. (not)

To clear the record, (which has to be done a lot since there is so much misinformation out there...)

All the stats we use in GoMobile we have gathered from websites reporting on mobile stats.

It's not hype. It's facts and truth. I am a person who does my best to tell it like it is. Some call it hype, some call it other things. But it's what I know and it's just facts and data.

I am also a marketer and I love marketing. I try to motivate people to take action. If they don't nothing changes. It's what all marketers do - get people to change their behavior today, cause when they woke up - no one said - "I wanna buy a mobile apps program".

Marketing allows that person to make a decision if they want to or not. Some do, some don't... not a problem.

You can find several stats out there from other places too, saying contradictory stats too, there are tons of differing stats actually, so we try to take the best ones and put them in our presentation.

Thanks for calling me a Saint. But I am not a saint by any means. Just a regular guy. I put my pants on one leg at time, just like the next guy.

I've sold 3 apps, and got 11 deals in the works. I'd sell a lot more but all these webinars keep me busy. We just recently brought on a sales guy to call on businesses locally to see if they need apps or mobile websites, this will definitely help us do more businesses.

And if you think the judgement against Damien is big news, you've got 1/10th of the story.

Call the GoMobile office and get the real story as this judgement against Damien is a complete joke if you knew the WHOLE story. But most people latch on to what they see, I understand why people will say mean things about Damien, cause the judgement on him is the only public record about him. (THe guys needs some reputation management, I'd agree, but that's in the works too).

So, if ANYONE wants the full story on Damien, his court case from almost 9 years ago, just call GoMobile's office, and they are happy to send you the whole story instead of the 1 side you see online.

Here is their phone # US Toll Free: (877) 518-5777
International: 949-791-0784

It makes no sense to come into a public forum and spew hate, lies and false information. But I understand people have a need to be and do that.

I am providing you all a direct line to the company to get the real story. This is how you gather information properly, rather than just continuing to spew half truths without knowing the rest of the story. Or continuing false rumors from forums. You all know what I mean and how Forums can go totally crazy with bad info.

And yea, we are white label partners for our provider and LOVE IT.

While they do provide a fantastic tool for building apps at a much lower price, but we feel there is tremendous value in the sales, coaching, teaching and training we offer on our system.

People want systems, not just simple tools, So, a system was made, and it's available for anyone to use to get help so they can build some of the coolest apps on the planet.

If you don't need us - no worries, go for it on your own.

For those who do need a system, we've got your back, come join us.

I'd take any questions anyone has too via phone if you would like to speak with me.

Here is my direct line - right to me - no one answers this but me.

651-769-2189

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14 years ago

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Oh man - I am devastated - I've been found out.

Don't listen to me anyone because I am a Christian.
Therefore, everything I say is hype - just so you know.

JEFF, I DIDN'T SAY YOU ARE FULL OF BS BECAUSE YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, I SAID YOU ARE FULL OF BS AND YET YOU TOUT YOURSELF AS A CHRISTIAN.

And because I am a Christian - immediately think of me as a bad Christian because judgement is a cool thing to do. (not)

To clear the record, (which has to be done a lot since there is so much misinformation out there...)

All the stats we use in GoMobile we have gathered from websites reporting on mobile stats.

It's not hype. It's facts and truth. I am a person who does my best to tell it like it is. Some call it hype, some call it other things. But it's what I know and it's just facts and data.

I am also a marketer and I love marketing. I try to motivate people to take action. If they don't nothing changes. It's what all marketers do - get people to change their behavior today, cause when they woke up - no one said - "I wanna buy a mobile apps program".

Marketing allows that person to make a decision if they want to or not. Some do, some don't... not a problem.

You can find several stats out there from other places too, saying contradictory stats too, there are tons of differing stats actually, so we try to take the best ones and put them in our presentation.

Thanks for calling me a Saint. But I am not a saint by any means. Just a regular guy. I put my pants on one leg at time, just like the next guy.

I've sold 3 apps, and got 11 deals in the works. I'd sell a lot more but all these webinars keep me busy. We just recently brought on a sales guy to call on businesses locally to see if they need apps or mobile websites, this will definitely help us do more businesses.

JEFF-WHAT ARE THE 3 APPS YOU SOLD?? I'VE NOTICED THAT YOU AND DAMIEN ARE NOW DOING WEBINARS PROMOTING OTHER WAYS TO MAKE MONEY. IT SEEMS TO ME YOU ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING SHINY OBJECTS AND YOU HAVE MOVED ON TO THE NEXT ONE.

And if you think the judgement against Damien is big news, you've got 1/10th of the story.

Call the GoMobile office and get the real story as this judgement against Damien is a complete joke if you knew the WHOLE story. But most people latch on to what they see, I understand why people will say mean things about Damien, cause the judgement on him is the only public record about him. (THe guys needs some reputation management, I'd agree, but that's in the works too).

So, if ANYONE wants the full story on Damien, his court case from almost 9 years ago, just call GoMobile's office, and they are happy to send you the whole story instead of the 1 side you see online.

Here is their phone # US Toll Free: (877) 518-5777
International: 949-791-0784

JEFF-I LOVE THIS. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS RATHER THAN BELIEVE THE LEGAL DOCUMENT ,A.K.A. JUDGEMENT, PRODUCED BY THE COURT I SHOULD GET THE REAL TRUTH FROM THE DEFENDANT. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST ASK ALL THE CONVICTED FELONS IN JAIL WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AND IF THEY SAY THEY ARE INNOCENT, LET'S LET THEM GO.

It makes no sense to come into a public forum and spew hate, lies and false information. But I understand people have a need to be and do that.

JEFF-JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, QUOTING AN ACTUAL JUDGEMENT AGAINST SOMEONE IS NOT SPEWING HATE, LIES, AND GIVING FALSE INFORMATION.

I am providing you all a direct line to the company to get the real story. This is how you gather information properly, rather than just continuing to spew half truths without knowing the rest of the story. Or continuing false rumors from forums. You all know what I mean and how Forums can go totally crazy with bad info.

And yea, we are white label partners for our provider and LOVE IT.

While they do provide a fantastic tool for building apps at a much lower price, but we feel there is tremendous value in the sales, coaching, teaching and training we offer on our system.

JEFF-COACHING, TEACHING, TRAINING, DON'T THOSE ALL BASICALLY MEAN THE SAME THING? ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE THE 1 THING YOU OFFER SOUND LIKE 3 THINGS?

People want systems, not just simple tools, So, a system was made, and it's available for anyone to use to get help so they can build some of the coolest apps on the planet.

JEFF-THIS IS FUNNY, I LISTENED TO YOUR WEBINAR. I DON'T RECALL YOU SAYING, "HEY, WE ARE A RESELLER FOR BIZNESSAPPS SO YOU CAN GO THERE AND GET THE PLATFORM FOR FREE BUT COME BACK TO US FOR THE SALES TRAINING AND WE'LL CHARGE YOU $1000." WHAT I REMEMBER ON THE WEBINAR IS YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW THE $1000 WOULD GET SOMEONE ACCESS TO THIS GREAT PLATFORM AND GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP UNLIMITED APPS. HOW MANY OF YOUR MEMBERS DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE SIGNED UP HAD THEY KNOWN THEY COULD THE SAME PLATFORM FOR ESSENTIALLY FREE??

If you don't need us - no worries, go for it on your own.

For those who do need a system, we've got your back, come join us.

I'd take any questions anyone has too via phone if you would like to speak with me.

Here is my direct line - right to me - no one answers this but me.

651-769-2189

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LiquidSeo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mobilemarketer2012

JEFF- I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MARKETING OR MAKING A PROFIT. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST FULL OF BS. HAVE A NICE DAY.

Wow - lots of heated "discussion" here! This is one of my two hot research areas for my local business and my own software team.

Note -->As a caveat to my below response -- I checked out both services -- one of my partners is a white label reseller with Bizness Apps. I then was able to obtain access to the Go Mobile system through someone on my list, to do some testing. I am not paid by either of these two outfits, and have no vested interest in their success.

My .02 on this discussion.....

Great platform and kudos to the team at Bizness Apps. My background is software development, and I have to tell you -- I love Bizness apps solution! I built my own product in the social media space, and can give you my real world experience.

We didn't offer any elaborate training, and basically sold our very easy-to-use product for at flat mos fee to marketers and resellers and we sold at a different price point to consumers. The pricing for resellers/marketers was at $99 a mos, but the goal was the same. Drive use of the platform and increase sales.

We sold thousands of copies very quickly, but when I studied usage and adoption of the platform -- it was frightening. 95% of the users did nothing more than pay us monthly. Only 5% were truly using the power of our software to make money and work for their clients. As the business owner - this is not good at all. Most of these users will soon quit in frustration.

We then offered a high-end program for white label resellers. Same product - $1500 a mos min. commitment. We provided heavy-duty training and did phone support in addition to our typical email support/forum support. The percentage of users who were making money with the software shot up to just under 70% -- and the refund rate dropped to a negligible amount.

My point - I can tell you with 100% certainty that the training/systems is the key separator in my experience between success and failure.

For the additional $1000 front-end fee -- Go Mobile is providing what I believe is the missing link on most "products", "courses", and "software" sold to marketers. They are delivering systems, training, support and resources. I can't speak to the current level of support from Bizness Apps, but if I had to guess, they do what most companies do (me included!) -- email and probably some type of forum. Go Mobile appears to add real value around the already stunning Bizness Apps tool.

Of course, the "serious value" is only there if you need it. For those of you that don't, you obviously shouldn't buy Go Mobile, and should go direct to Bizness Apps. Just remember you are in the minority - and that there are THOUSANDS of people out there that need actual support and training to be successful.

So....while some of you are crucifying the team/business of Go Mobile, I would ask that you take a moment and consider the following questions first.

- have you ever bought a product and tool and wished you had more support?
- If you paid $1k for a fabulous software tool and gained a support system, is that useful to you?
- Would you pay $1k additional for a product if your success rate increased dramatically?

If you answered "Yes" to the above, then Go Mobile may be the best venue to gain access to the Bizness Apps tooling. If you answered "No" -- then I would strongly recommend avoiding Go Mobile and buying from Bizness Apps.

While $1000 courses never do well on the Warrior Forum, my research into my 25k+ customer base suggests that Warriors want to stop buying every new course that comes out, and would rather learn/implement a winning system/course and be successful with it.

I'll check back in a bit once I've experienced the training/support and weigh in on whether the value is there. I love the concept - but want to see it in action.

I'm going to use the tool (Go Mobile / Bizness Apps) to build an iPhone app for an attorney client running for office. Hint -- this is a great niche to target this year!

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jrod014

14 years ago

Originally Posted by LiquidSeo

Wow - lots of heated "discussion" here! This is one of my two hot research areas for my local business and my own software team.

Note -->As a caveat to my below response -- I checked out both services -- one of my partners is a white label reseller with Bizness Apps. I then was able to obtain access to the Go Mobile system through someone on my list, to do some testing. I am not paid by either of these two outfits, and have no vested interest in their success.

My .02 on this discussion.....

Great platform and kudos to the team at Bizness Apps. My background is software development, and I have to tell you -- I love Bizness apps solution! I built my own product in the social media space, and can give you my real world experience.

We didn't offer any elaborate training, and basically sold our very easy-to-use product for at flat mos fee to marketers and resellers and we sold at a different price point to consumers. The pricing for resellers/marketers was at $99 a mos, but the goal was the same. Drive use of the platform and increase sales.

We sold thousands of copies very quickly, but when I studied usage and adoption of the platform -- it was frightening. 95% of the users did nothing more than pay us monthly. Only 5% were truly using the power of our software to make money and work for their clients. As the business owner - this is not good at all. Most of these users will soon quit in frustration.

We then offered a high-end program for white label resellers. Same product - $1500 a mos min. commitment. We provided heavy-duty training and did phone support in addition to our typical email support/forum support. The percentage of users who were making money with the software shot up to just under 70% -- and the refund rate dropped to a negligible amount.

My point - I can tell you with 100% certainty that the training/systems is the key separator in my experience between success and failure.

For the additional $1000 front-end fee -- Go Mobile is providing what I believe is the missing link on most "products", "courses", and "software" sold to marketers. They are delivering systems, training, support and resources. I can't speak to the current level of support from Bizness Apps, but if I had to guess, they do what most companies do (me included!) -- email and probably some type of forum. Go Mobile appears to add real value around the already stunning Bizness Apps tool.

Of course, the "serious value" is only there if you need it. For those of you that don't, you obviously shouldn't buy Go Mobile, and should go direct to Bizness Apps. Just remember you are in the minority - and that there are THOUSANDS of people out there that need actual support and training to be successful.

So....while some of you are crucifying the team/business of Go Mobile, I would ask that you take a moment and consider the following questions first.

- have you ever bought a product and tool and wished you had more support?
- If you paid $1k for a fabulous software tool and gained a support system, is that useful to you?
- Would you pay $1k additional for a product if your success rate increased dramatically?

If you answered "Yes" to the above, then Go Mobile may be the best venue to gain access to the Bizness Apps tooling. If you answered "No" -- then I would strongly recommend avoiding Go Mobile and buying from Bizness Apps.

While $1000 courses never do well on the Warrior Forum, my research into my 25k+ customer base suggests that Warriors want to stop buying every new course that comes out, and would rather learn/implement a winning system/course and be successful with it.

I'll check back in a bit once I've experienced the training/support and weigh in on whether the value is there. I love the concept - but want to see it in action.

I'm going to use the tool (Go Mobile / Bizness Apps) to build an iPhone app for an attorney client running for office. Hint -- this is a great niche to target this year!

Brian

Just my .02

Business apps already provides excelleny support and sales material. They hold frequent webinars for training resellers and all for free (if you are a reseller).

But I do understand what you are saying about support. I guess it's really up to the reseller/individual to really implement what is being taught by either party. And if they find value in another $1k for support, then that's good too.

Do you plan on reselling for business apps?

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MatthewNewnham

14 years ago

Hello fellow Warriors,

Thanks to all for such an informative thread. A bit heated in places, but that's a reflection of the emotions at play.

I was also on one of the GoMobile webinars. It's a very strong pitch, and I was very tempted. However, I didn't have the funds, or I might have plumped for it at the time. Having said that, it would have been invaluable to have the input of others to balance out the likely demand for apps v mobile websites. This thread has really served well in that regard.

Mobile websites, I believe, are increasingly essential - and as far as I'm aware, are treated slightly differently by Google, so there is an SEO angle there as well. Not every business will want one, but I think they will be easier for businesses to leverage, and therefore easier to sell, with happier clients.

The only shocker in this thread for me is that I also believed that GoMobile's platform was proprietary and unique to them. Had I known that their platform was BizApps, which is available at such a dramatically lower price, I would have gone straight over there instead to give them a try first. Caveat emptor...

Perhaps a better approach for GoMobile would be to opt for transparency, and then offer a basic program and an "accelerated" one. That may have cost sales, or then again, it might have gained some.

I have to say, I now feel that I've had a narrow escape - simply because I don't like something as basic as the reseller status being hidden from view like that, especially with such a significant investment at stake - and for an opportunity that is not necessarily as ripe as depicted. Makes me suspicious. Just sayin'...

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Matthew

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LiquidSeo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MatthewNewnham

Hello fellow Warriors,

Thanks to all for such an informative thread. A bit heated in places, but that's a reflection of the emotions at play.

I was also on one of the GoMobile webinars. It's a very strong pitch, and I was very tempted. However, I didn't have the funds, or I might have plumped for it at the time. Having said that, it would have been invaluable to have the input of others to balance out the likely demand for apps v mobile websites. This thread has really served well in that regard.

Mobile websites, I believe, are increasingly essential - and as far as I'm aware, are treated slightly differently by Google, so there is an SEO angle there as well. Not every business will want one, but I think they will be easier for businesses to leverage, and therefore easier to sell, with happier clients.

The only shocker in this thread for me is that I also believed that GoMobile's platform was proprietary and unique to them. Had I known that their platform was BizApps, which is available at such a dramatically lower price, I would have gone straight over there instead to give them a try first. Caveat emptor...

Perhaps a better approach for GoMobile would be to opt for transparency, and then offer a basic program and an "accelerated" one. That may have cost sales, or then again, it might have gained some.

I have to say, I now feel that I've had a narrow escape - simply because I don't like something as basic as the reseller status being hidden from view like that, especially with such a significant investment at stake - and for an opportunity that is not necessarily as ripe as depicted. Makes me suspicious. Just sayin'...

Best wishes from Scotland,

Matthew

LOL - I agree Matthew! Funny how most things on the Warrior Forum tend to incite raw emotions. At the end of the day - both solutions have a kick-ass technical base, and the Go Mobile builds their value around support/systems/training, etc.

As for Mobile Websites versus Apps - my .02 is that it really all depends on the business and business type.

For instance:

Restaurants -- virtually every restaurant can use a mobile website. Most but not all can use a mobile application (iphone or Android). Everyone I talk to in this space love SMS/Text marketing.

Lawyers -- I'm getting strong pick-up in this space for apps. (from my existing install base). Virtually no interest in SMS or text marketing at this point from my conversations.

Dentists -- Strong interest in mobile websites and apps. I've scored one deal for appointment reminder services.

Fast food dessert (Yogurt and ice cream) -- getting strong interest in mobile websites, no interest in apps to-date. Everyone I talk to is interested in SMS marketing in this niche.

I haven't sold a ton of apps as of yet, and I am fortunate enough to have a large install base to use as a "test bed". I'm still building the one for my lawyer client running for Judge.

Tooling I use: I use a few different website builders and WP-Mobile Pro. For apps, toying around with Go Mobile and Bizness Apps. I'm leaning towards Go Mobile primarily for the training and support - it's the exact same technical platform. I have a quasi-technical team, but none of them know anything about apps other than me. And...I don't know much as of yet! I co-own Royal Mobile (white labeled SMS platform) with Mario Brown.

I'm also using offshore resources to build non-local, slightly more complex apps, etc.

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AppWarrior

14 years ago

Originally Posted by lambert58

Russell Brunson and Jeff Mills did webinars last week with Damien Zamora about selling local businesses their own Mobile App. Anyone attend or have any input??/ The company is GoMobile Solutions.

I have built a few apps for local businesses, not using GoMobile. It is a way to make a quick $1,000 to $10,000 depending on the app. I think it is a huge money making market for 2012. Unlike selling websites to business which I think is now a saturated market.

If someone can create a strong business and FINANCIAL model, they may have a sustainable wealth building system for themselves. It all starts with a solid financial model with key metrics. Someone who has this will skyrocket their earnings into the next highest tax bracket. I am looking to find a great partner that I can leverage the knowledge I have about apps to sell apps to small to medium size business.

An example of how a local business can use an app is best described with a restaurant/tavern. If a bar can send a push notification for free or low cost drinks at specific time to people who buy their apps on a slow day of business, they can expect an increase in patrons who come to the restaurant. They would need a large network of people who have already downloaded the app and people who approved push notifications from the app on their smart phone. The best plan for local businesses is to not only have a robust app, but also have an extensive mobile marketing strategy.

I am familiar with some distributors that help people sell apps to businesses but they are run by scam and rip-off artists so I don't want to name names. Beware of hucksters.

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Pankaj90

14 years ago

how do you convince a business to get your app?

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AppWarrior 14 years ago
Originally Posted by Pankaj90

how do you convince a business to get your app?

I would build a mock-up app for the business before I meet with the business owner. It would be an actual app that can be downloaded on their device. The more robust app that you can make as a model for free for them, usually it will help convince them more to buy it from you. You can add more to the app after they pay you to create it. I would create the app model mock-up so you can a least demonstrate sending push notifications.

Some ideas for small businesses:
- A Mexican restaurant can send a push notification to app downloaders for FREE DRINKS!
- A barber can send a push notification for 25% off haircuts for appointments schedule during slow business days or times.
- I have much more, but I can't give you all my great ideas. :-)
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sdentrepreneur

14 years ago

Mobile Apps are great and I believe that most every business should have one. The main question then becomes, how do you get people to download it? Here are some of the plans and strategies you will need to think about after you develop an app. This is from one of my mini web sites for app downloads.

Mobile Application Downloads Strategy

Cutting edge Marketing strategies on how to get up to 5,000+ Mobile Application Downloads Per Month
Strategies on the iPhone Application and Andriod trends
Mobile Ad Networks that display your ads on their network of mobile publishers and create a traffic plan with the Top Mobile App Ad Networks
Real-Time Bidding Platforms that allow you to bid on mobile traffic in real-time.
Incentive-Based Download Programs that allow you to bid on low-cost mobile app
downloads from users who are incentivized to download your app.
Other relevant and helpful mobile softwares available
Sneaky ways to get potential customers to Download your Mobile Application and give them to your sales pitch to their friends
Social media, Twitter, PR, PPC campaigns that target desktop web, and your website are important for reinforcing your marketing and generating awareness, but large amounts of downloads will come from the sources listed above, which are intended specifically for user acquisition.
To be successful with a Mobile Application Download strategy, marketer should use technology to track their marketing data in real-time and optimize toward sources that are generating the most efficient results. At the same time, real-time optimization is often easier said than done, as implementing the appropriate technology can be a complex challenge that consumes both a marketer's time and a company's technical resources.

Post Download Strategies
Identify the post-download events that are most important to your business and establish metrics based on these events. Then, as you acquire users, track your postdownload
events along with the traffic sources that generated these users, and steer your marketing toward these sources. You are virtually guaranteed to get a better return on
investment using this approach than focusing exclusively on low-cost downloads, which might also be low quality. Here are the Top 5 Methods for Post Download.

1. Define the characteristics of your loyal user
2. Automate the tracking of these loyal user characteristics
3. Track all of your users' interactions with your app
4. Identify the traffic sources that generate these loyal users
5. Steer your ad spend toward these traffic sources

Mobile Applications Downloads - Home

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mobilemarketer2012

14 years ago

There have been discussions and threads on here about the necessity of mobile apps for small businesses. The reality is that people aren't going to download an app from every small business they do business with and they certainly aren't going to want push notifications from every business. I think only certain businesses really need an app, but I guess its not up to me to decide which ones.

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Dupois 14 years ago

I'm definitely interested in offering apps to restaurants - AFTER they've got themselves a mobile website. I agree that the mobile website is the most important thing and that the app could definitely have it's uses.

Has anyone seen Bizness Apps - iPhone, Android, HTML5, & iPad apps for small businesses That's the service I'd think of using. I'd be charging in the realms of what those over at gomobile were touting in their webinars - that is, about $2000-$2500 per restaurant app plus monthly fee.
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  Yes GoMobile is a whitelabel reseller for Bizness which costs $300 per month. The basic $39 Bizness app isn't the equivalent of what you get for $39 with GoMobile. So the app customer would have to pay $30 more every month for the same app features. So in the long run the it will certainly add up.
  I think the sweet spot for pricing will be from $1,000 to $1,500 for these local biz type apps. Very affordable with unlimited push notifications, it's a no brainer for most businesses who don't want to have to deal with learning how to produce an app. They just want the benefits which are huge right now, especially in regards to social marketing.
  
  BTW, I did purchase the system through GoMobile and the training and backend has been excellent!
  
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Dupois

14 years ago

I can't see how an app is more useful than a quality mobile website with QR code, sms campaigns etc. And the high, ongoing monthly fees for an app negate the push-notification benefit as far as I can see. No, I think mobile websites are much more important and cost-effective.

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zoro

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Georgiefirst

I can't see how an app is more useful than a quality mobile website with QR code, sms campaigns etc. And the high, ongoing monthly fees for an app negate the push-notification benefit as far as I can see. No, I think mobile websites are much more important and cost-effective.

The difference as I see it is that the App stays on a users Mobile Phone (until they delete it) and a Mobile Website requires constant linking to via some sort of promotion. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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imstacydavids 14 years ago

This is really a must read thread. I never regret joining this forum. There are so many things I've learned while I'm reading this thread. Very interesting topics and opinions.
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sam m

14 years ago

I think that the mobile websites are really hot
and still fresh as well ,but I also see the next shift will
be to add the apps to your services as well in the near future

Both of these markets
mobile websites ,apps are still in thier infancy

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D.A.

14 years ago

This should figure it out for you. Facebook's app is a web based app. Basically a shortcut to their mobile site. Make these types of apps with a fancy icon, throw it in for another $500 over (or a $1000 discount) when they buy a mobile site as well.

Ta da! Magic lol

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marqueemarketing

14 years ago

The company that they use is biznessapps [dot] com, so you are paying $997 for training that is included in the reseller product that Bizness Apps offers. The difference with the white label product that you can get directly through Bizness Apps is that you pay a monthly fee for a white label which includes 10 apps. With both offers you need to have your own App Developer accounts. GoMobile charges an upload fee which Biz Apps doesn't. The cost to have someone create your app for you is also substantially less through Biz Apps. You just need to decide if you want to pay $997 for training, pay more for any services and to upload the apps, and not have your own white label platform or have your own platform and pay a monthly license fee with less cost for services. Personally, I went for the white label because it makes sense for our business.

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luizianne 14 years ago

Thank you so much for this review!
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Voasi

14 years ago

Originally Posted by billoc8

HOW ARE YOUR REPS DOING NOW?

Our reps are doing fantastic! We've sold a dozen apps so far and we're on our way to doing about 12 a week (math works out to be 3 apps per week per rep). We're selling these at $500 setup and $199/mo. Our team manages everything, so the only thing that biz owners needs to do is promote the app to his/her customers.

In response to some of the GoMobile questions, I just posted on another thread about them here: http://www.warriorforum.com/mobile-m...ml#post5579474

As I said earlier in this thread, GoMobile had moved into the same building my business is in and I actually met Damien and his team. Great bunch of guys over there and they're building a great organization, really helping their resellers SELL MORE...which is always the sticking point with newbies.

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14 years ago

Sorry I didn't but I am also interested to know about it.

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14 years ago

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shanebob

14 years ago

A Mobile apps simple a small application program which run only that mobile for that it is developed. Now a days demand of the mobile apps is increased and that's why many IT company are participating on this business to make the money. Also this is the right field for some who have to make career and Interest in software development Industry.

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Pankaj90

14 years ago

nice thread to go through for mobile stuff...

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stacywilliams 14 years ago

Great Thread!! I got lot many information by reading this thread... :p
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lancelotfl

14 years ago

I'm not sure local businesses are ready to jump on the app bandwagon.

First of all, I'm already getting messages from my Android that I have too many apps active and not enough RAM and I rarely use a lot of the apps that I have.

Secondly, unless that app has a really big WOW factor, why would someone download an app for Charlie's Pizza, rather than simply going to Charlie's mobile Website?

As far as local business goes, I think apps are an idea whose time has not come yet. I like the suggestion that someone gave to make the business a mobile Website and CALL it an app.

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perfectpixel

Banned 14 years ago

I suppose it's a good way to get people fired up about your business

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LiquidSeo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dun5599

Apps are nice but not for everyone or every business. Mobile Web Apps ala Warrior Ben are far easier to build and do have a larger audience. Getting an average run of the mill app approved by Apple is not always a cinch.

Agree Dun - although I think that for certain businesses, you will find them to have strong appeal. When image matters - apps are icing on their existing marketing cake.

I find that the Bizness Apps / Go Mobile solution are much stronger than your typical "free" generator tooling available. This is a great solution.

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LiquidSeo

14 years ago

Who here is actually building apps for LOCAL businesses right now?

What product(s)/service(s) do you use for the development, assuming you don't build them yourself?

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LiquidSeo

14 years ago

For those reading this thread, or interested in iPhone and Android apps, let me know if you would be interested in attending a product-neutral webinar about applications for local businesses.

If you are doing apps in general, this is not a good fit. I'm hosting a Q&A on everything imaginable for apps, and would love to have everyone possible join in and be part of the discussion.

Note - there will be no specific product pushed nor will there be any offer for you to take advantage on. I will however probably mention the two names here plus share some offshore resources I use. I am trying to score 1-2 other iPhone developers to help me on the call. If you are interested, let me know with a PM and I'll send you the GoToWebinar invite. Unfortunately due to the rules of the forum, I can't post it without it seeming "marketing" or salesy.

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John Z

14 years ago

I always se negative reviews for gomobile.com plus its site it does not open

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Jae Sampson 14 years ago

Bibi -

I'm guessing the site that you are trying to access is for Go Mobile resellers - the people that actually committed to taking on the opportunity.

There is another site address that is working, but I don't have enough posts to my name for it to show up in this post. You could probably call Jeff Mills to get it. Plus, I heard that the new go mobile solutions site will be up soon.

Bottom line - I have no doubt that Damien and Jeff want to help people to become successful. They have already helped us.

Success is there for the taking and it's your choice, but you have to want it. Nobody is going to give it to you. If you decide not to get onboard with Go Mobile then that just means more business for us because we are expanding.

Consider the source when reading negative posts. There are a lot of angry, bitter people out there with a lot of time on their hands which is something I don't have so I won't be back for awhile...
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RobHite

14 years ago

Hi everyone,

I have been part of a Skype Mastermind group focused on investigating the best mobile app platforms and app development strategies available to marketers today. Over the past 6-7 months, we've looked at many different app builder tools, and our evaluation hands down is that the strongest such tool in terms of rich native app functionality and ease of use vs. cost is the Bizness Apps platform.

I'm not sharing anything new by telling you guys that GoMobile's dazzling platform demo'd on dozens of webinars in recent months is actually Bizness Apps under the covers. Our Mastermind originally formed up as a means to evaluate Bizness Apps and start building apps for our prospective customers, without the $997 - $1497 barrier to entry.

Right now, we'd love to extend membership in our Mastermind - which is a Bizness Apps Whitelabel reseller collective. Our mission is to work together to develop a strong knowledge of the app builder platform, and build a pooled portfolio of amazing showcase apps that we can all use to go sell businesses in our local areas. In a non-competitive and supportive environment, we share tips on how to build apps, we critique each other, and most importantly we share strategies on how to approach prospects and demo a pre-built test app that is so impressive that it practically sells itself if you pinpoint the right prospects along with the great scripts and sales presentations that Bizness Apps provides.

We provide all Mastermind members their own dashboard where they can setup unlimited demo apps, and the monthly membership fee of $90 includes 3 hosted apps (@ $30 each). You can charge $75 - $100 a month easily for hosting these apps for your customers, so after you sell your first app the rest is profit. We are working together to achieve this goal, and so we are welcoming people who have been lusting after the technology and training behind GoMobile - but without the prohibitive cost they are pushing for their system. If you like working with an intimate group of like-minded marketers in a Skype Mastermind setting, please PM me your Skype email and I'll gladly add you.

Bizness Apps is great, and I'll be glad to demo some of the apps we've done if any of you are curious about the quality of apps you can build with this tool.

All the best,

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tftom

14 years ago

Rob:
Are you still taking members into the Skype mastermind and the program? Are you familiar with MobileBizBox (formerly Royal Mobile)?

Originally Posted by RobHite

Hi everyone,

I have been part of a Skype Mastermind group focused on investigating the best mobile app platforms and app development strategies available to marketers today. Over the past 6-7 months, we've looked at many different app builder tools, and our evaluation hands down is that the strongest such tool in terms of rich native app functionality and ease of use vs. cost is the Bizness Apps platform.

I'm not sharing anything new by telling you guys that GoMobile's dazzling platform demo'd on dozens of webinars in recent months is actually Bizness Apps under the covers. Our Mastermind originally formed up as a means to evaluate Bizness Apps and start building apps for our prospective customers, without the $997 - $1497 barrier to entry.

Right now, we'd love to extend membership in our Mastermind - which is a Bizness Apps Whitelabel reseller collective. Our mission is to work together to develop a strong knowledge of the app builder platform, and build a pooled portfolio of amazing showcase apps that we can all use to go sell businesses in our local areas. In a non-competitive and supportive environment, we share tips on how to build apps, we critique each other, and most importantly we share strategies on how to approach prospects and demo a pre-built test app that is so impressive that it practically sells itself if you pinpoint the right prospects along with the great scripts and sales presentations that Bizness Apps provides.

We provide all Mastermind members their own dashboard where they can setup unlimited demo apps, and the monthly membership fee of $90 includes 3 hosted apps (@ $30 each). You can charge $75 - $100 a month easily for hosting these apps for your customers, so after you sell your first app the rest is profit. We are working together to achieve this goal, and so we are welcoming people who have been lusting after the technology and training behind GoMobile - but without the prohibitive cost they are pushing for their system. If you like working with an intimate group of like-minded marketers in a Skype Mastermind setting, please PM me your Skype email and I'll gladly add you.

Bizness Apps is great, and I'll be glad to demo some of the apps we've done if any of you are curious about the quality of apps you can build with this tool.

All the best,

Rob

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sweera 14 years ago

Rob, I would like to join the skype group. my skype id is sudesh32
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gohicks

14 years ago

Originally Posted by RobHite

Hi everyone,

I have been part of a Skype Mastermind group focused on investigating the best mobile app platforms and app development strategies available to marketers today. Over the past 6-7 months, we've looked at many different app builder tools, and our evaluation hands down is that the strongest such tool in terms of rich native app functionality and ease of use vs. cost is the Bizness Apps platform.

I'm not sharing anything new by telling you guys that GoMobile's dazzling platform demo'd on dozens of webinars in recent months is actually Bizness Apps under the covers. Our Mastermind originally formed up as a means to evaluate Bizness Apps and start building apps for our prospective customers, without the $997 - $1497 barrier to entry.

Right now, we'd love to extend membership in our Mastermind - which is a Bizness Apps Whitelabel reseller collective. Our mission is to work together to develop a strong knowledge of the app builder platform, and build a pooled portfolio of amazing showcase apps that we can all use to go sell businesses in our local areas. In a non-competitive and supportive environment, we share tips on how to build apps, we critique each other, and most importantly we share strategies on how to approach prospects and demo a pre-built test app that is so impressive that it practically sells itself if you pinpoint the right prospects along with the great scripts and sales presentations that Bizness Apps provides.

We provide all Mastermind members their own dashboard where they can setup unlimited demo apps, and the monthly membership fee of $90 includes 3 hosted apps (@ $30 each). You can charge $75 - $100 a month easily for hosting these apps for your customers, so after you sell your first app the rest is profit. We are working together to achieve this goal, and so we are welcoming people who have been lusting after the technology and training behind GoMobile - but without the prohibitive cost they are pushing for their system. If you like working with an intimate group of like-minded marketers in a Skype Mastermind setting, please PM me your Skype email and I'll gladly add you.

Bizness Apps is great, and I'll be glad to demo some of the apps we've done if any of you are curious about the quality of apps you can build with this tool.

All the best,

Rob

Hi Rob, I've just come across your post and would be very interested in joining your master mind group. Is it still open? I've been testing a number of app makers including BA, Seattle Clouds and many others but have found BA the best so far. I'm not able to PM because I do not have enough posts - could you get in touch please
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ZNICK

14 years ago

You have to keep in mind that whoever hosts the webinar to their list gets half of the $997.00 up front fee.

With the ridiculous price of entry and then charging you $500 for what you can get for around $50 elsewhere, they can afford to charge this much because the "promoters" sick them on their unsuspecting lists...

If it wasn't for all these list owners JV'ing with these guys they'd be out of business because nobody else would pay that much if they did the research and weren't making an impusle decision.

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14 years ago

I think the dominance of native apps - the ones you need to download - is waning, as HTML 5 matures and lets web developers do things in the browser that previously you could only do with access to the operating system.

That means there will be less and less need to develop a separate app for Android and iOS, making development cheaper.

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tangtp

14 years ago

i just bought gomobilesolutions with paid usd $2000. Why price different?

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tftom 14 years ago

Does anybody have a set of swipes to use for prospecting to potential mobile apps customers?
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SEOCommando

14 years ago

Wow - lots of stuff here. Thanks to those who actually contributed to the actual original question.
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D.A.

14 years ago

I'm a fan of biznessapps.com. right price, and local minded

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bjallen

14 years ago

Has anyone seen Russell's new Clickbank product - LocalAppBroker.com? I wonder how this compares to GoMobile Solutions. I think the pricing is around $90 per month, and it sounds like a similar program.

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edwoods97

13 years ago

Originally Posted by bjallen

Has anyone seen Russell's new Clickbank product - LocalAppBroker.com? I wonder how this compares to GoMobile Solutions. I think the pricing is around $90 per month, and it sounds like a similar program.

BJ

its the exact same platform

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BarbaraGordon

14 years ago

Is it really that expensive?

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rolltide

14 years ago

what price point is everyone selling apps for? setup? monthly? i am probably going to start with biznessapps.

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bjallen 14 years ago

My mistake - the new program from Russell Brunson is $97 per month.

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rolltide

14 years ago

I know with biznessapps you are basically paying $30/mth per app to host. What is the charge with Russels program other than the $97/monthly?

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bjallen

14 years ago

Dunno Rolltide,

I am going to explore this further and when I find out more, I will let you know.

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The Offline Advisor

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bjallen

Dunno Rolltide,

I am going to explore this further and when I find out more, I will let you know.

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Hey BJ,

How's progress? Looking forward with interest to your comments.

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Scott Prock

14 years ago

Hey guys, I took a good look at Russell's program and will be writing up an extensive review on it.

Until then I can confirm it is the same BizApps platform, and he has teamed up with Damien Zamora. So it is under the same goMobile name. They've just repackaged it into a subscription model.

The only positive I can see is you get some good training if you're a beginner. If you've used BizApps before and have created good demos, then I wouldn't waste your time and money.

For $97/mo you get one app code each month. You also get a new app code once you have sold an app. However, the confirmation of the sale looks to be tied to the acceptance of the app in the Apple App Store. That means you will only be able to create one demo at a time, and have to wait until you get a sale that gets approved in order to get another app code.

You can always purchase another app code for $97 ... That is where the catch is. They don't advertise that little "gotcha".

I don't know about you guys, but I can't see anyway to be successful doing one app demo at a time, so with their system, if you want to go after several businesses at a time you will need to purchase additional app codes at $97/ea

I also asked their support for proof that Russell or Damien have created an actual app and all I got in return was a huge list of demo codes their team has created. The same codes work in the default BiznessApps previewer btw.

All in all ... I don't see any compelling reason to go with their system. You're better off going with BizApps whitelabel program ... And all you need to do is use their demo system to land your first client. Then use that money to purchase the white label system directly from BizApps . Hope that helps ... Scott

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mobilemarketer2012

14 years ago

$97/month is quite a bit more that getting apps from Biznessapps 1 at a time and a lot more than if you become a reseller for them. Last I checked, you can create as many app mock ups from Biznessapps for free and you only pay if you actually publish them to the app market. Biznessapps also offers a lot of training.

I think people need to realize that Biznessapps is in the app business (duh) and guys like Damien Zamora are in the Business opportunity selling business. I have heard Damien is also now involved in a mobile cell monthly plan MLM. I'd rather go direct to the source (Biznessapps) who will be in it for the long haul. Oh yeah, and it will be cheaper too.

Originally Posted by Scott Prock

Hey guys, I took a good look at Russell's program and will be writing up an extensive review on it.

Until then I can confirm it is the same BizApps platform, and he has teamed up with Damien Zamora. So it is under the same goMobile name. They've just repackaged it into a subscription model.

The only positive I can see is you get some good training if you're a beginner. If you've used BizApps before and have created good demos, then I wouldn't waste your time and money.

For $97/mo you get one app code each month. You also get a new app code once you have sold an app. However, the confirmation of the sale looks to be tied to the acceptance of the app in the Apple App Store. That means you will only be able to create one demo at a time, and have to wait until you get a sale that gets approved in order to get another app code.

You can always purchase another app code for $97 ... That is where the catch is. They don't advertise that little "gotcha".

I don't know about you guys, but I can't see anyway to be successful doing one app demo at a time, so with their system, if you want to go after several businesses at a time you will need to purchase additional app codes at $97/ea

I also asked their support for proof that Russell or Damien have created an actual app and all I got in return was a huge list of demo codes their team has created. The same codes work in the default BiznessApps previewer btw.

All in all ... I don't see any compelling reason to go with their system. You're better off going with BizApps whitelabel program ... And all you need to do is use their demo system to land your first client. Then use that money to purchase the white label system directly from BizApps . Hope that helps ... Scott

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rolltide

14 years ago

Thanks BJ!

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rolltide

14 years ago

I just emailed localappbroker.com with some questions. I will let you know when I hear back.

Chris

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TeamSanchez44

14 years ago

Did anyone ever get a response on whether Rob was still taking members for the mastermind group on Skype? I'd be very interested as well.
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rolltide

14 years ago

I still haven't heard back from localappbroker.

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TeamSanchez44 14 years ago

Originally Posted by rolltide

I still haven't heard back from localappbroker.

It seems like some of us are on the same boat with these different app companies. I just tested biznessapps myself and I like the platform. SeattleCloud was okay, I used them in a class I took to create my second class assignment app. Does anybody know about MobileBizBox?
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- tftom 14 years ago
  
  I am a member of MobileBizBox. Their support is excellent, and they have a very active Facebook group.
  
  Their app builder is excellent and very full-featured. They also have a great mobile web site builder that they keep enhancing.
  
  They have an app, mobile web site and SMS plan and individual plans. If anyone is interested in joining I will get you signup info if they are open to the public.
  
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mobilemarketer2012

14 years ago

Mobile Biz Box's app platform looks a lot like Biznessapps. Is that the case?

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TeamSanchez44 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mobilemarketer2012

Mobile Biz Box's app platform looks a lot like Biznessapps. Is that the case?

I had a chance to use the bisnezz apps platform and am getting ready to test the mobile biz box platform. They may look similar in design but from the mobile biz box presentation the functions are different. I didn't see where you can drop a url and the software extracts info to create an app and mobile site to help expedite design time like bisnezz app does. I'll make an effort to come back and report once I've had a chance to test drive the software and maybe even link a demo or two. No promises though.
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tftom

14 years ago

I haven't see Biznessapps, although I was a member of GoMobile (Bisnessapps reseller) for awhile (and never used it). If it is the same appearance I am sure they are using Biznessapps.

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ecpasar

14 years ago

What I would like to ask a specific program?

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agonce

14 years ago

Hey all,

I am a developer myself and I can develop this type of apps for a small one time fee. You would pay me only after you have found your client and then I'll build the app(it will be cross platform, ie android, ios, windows phone). This will be a good solution for those who think they can sell the apps but don't want to pay the ongoing fees most of the programs offer. If anyone wants to JV on this, ie selling the apps, I'd be interested in sharing the monthly fee of the client you've found, I'll build the app in return. This way you are not losing any money upfront.
If you guys have any other idea how we can make this work even better, let me know

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gabysanchez225

14 years ago

I was with gomobile for a while before I requested a refund. While I was able to find clients who were willing to have an app (it was all novelty in my opinion, "wow, my own app? and it can help my business?!"), the problem with gomobile is that their apps are template based. They aren't custom, unless you consider changing a background image and shuffling the position of the menu custom. I had clients request things and when I would write to GoMobile to see if the apps they build could do this they would simply reply "we don't offer that feature at this moment, but that's for writing to us! We'll look into it!"

I will say the sales training they give is good, but they HAVE to know that their apps aren't as custom as they advertise because nowhere in all the training is there a comprehensive list of what the apps they build CAN and CANNOT do. They let you wait until your fumbling in front of a client when they ask for a unique function and all you can I say is "I'll have to speak to my developers". Really hinders a close.

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skyedog 13 years ago

Hey Guys,
Just read all the discussion. Our company has done apps both ways. The DIY with ibuidapps.com and working with a programers. The DIY has limits you don't own the code and usually the downloads are limited to 300 total then charges kick in. Also you are at the mercy of the company you built on so if they decide to double prices you are stuck.

To develop a iphone or andriod app with a programer can run $650-2500. depending on what you want. For small businesses what do they need? reservations, restaurant, golf course,cleaners, Dentist. Appointments?

Mobile text might work way better and cheaper and get the job done. customers just text in and done.
programers usually cost $2,500 per year for unlimited messages and you can push special messages to customers.

One important reality the itunes store has become very picky about approving apps and their function. They update their rules often so be careful. You may promise something and find you can't get it approved.

As always what is your business model? and they best way is often to just make a sales call before you have the product to sell. See if your market wants it.
Visit 20 small businesses and ask the to buy it, if they say yes at the price point then you golden proceed to get training and start building, if they don't then you know it isn't selling
in your market.If you don't understand enough about the product to make a sales call then you probably need to do more research about the product.

Hope this helps if anyone still wondering. I don't know the company you are discussing but have had clients that lost money with apps and some who were happy with them. All depending on the way they went into it.
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- tftom 13 years ago
  
  The product I am looking at buying has a lifetime option for $500. It has 2 builders (one of them Biznessapps), so all I have to do is make ONE SALE to pay for the product forever. Not a bad deal.
  
  It was good to point out the market nature of mobile apps. You can't just sell this to any business.
  
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  DougC 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by tftom
  
  It was good to point out the market nature of mobile apps. You can't just sell this to any business.
  
  The business must have an ROI metric in mind before they buy from you. Then you can show this Return on Investment in the first few months and keep them for years.
  
  Example - Restaurant want the app for bookings and each booking is worth $50 so you track 5 bookings per month and send out email reports showing 5 * $50 = $250 per month minus the $50 you charge them each month and the ROI is $200!
  
  Or a Hair salon wants to track loyal customers with a mobile loyalty app so you track 100 check ins per month * $50 and bingo the app has huge ROI (in this case preventing customer churn not neccesarily new customers but you get the point).
  
  I think the platforms leading the way are:
  
  http://www.mobileroadie.com
  http://www.appsplash.co.uk
  http://www.biznessapps.com
  
  I'm with appsplash so I would say that but really these 3 always end up in the consideration pot for resellers looking to sell a robust solution.
  
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