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Aaron Doud

14 years ago

I wondered what he was selling. I just didn't have the time to waste PMing him.

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John Durham

14 years ago

Lol.... Yeah knew he was up to something. I guess it serves as a good example of what NOT to do, that we all gave him a hard time.

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Jason Kanigan

14 years ago

I PMed him because I am looking for an experienced IMer to help me with something. I clearly explained that I wanted help on this one issue, and did not have time to take on any new projects. He responded with a vague "But" and I left it at that.

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Cass Tyson

14 years ago

Well, that is a way to make money offline...

Except of course it's really a way to SPEND money.

Gotta watch out for those MLMers. They're everywhere! Had one approach me on Skype. Said, "Hey we're in the same group here, let's chat," so I accepted his contact request. He then invited me to "Like" his FB page, which turned out to be for some other BS MLM. He was getting props on the wall from his upline for getting so many new recruits to the page, so something he was doing was working.

Sigh...

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John Durham

14 years ago

Thats the reason why at WF soliciting PMs in your posts isnt encouraged. It's obviously a way to solicit something that you wouldnt say publicly for one reason or another.

There was another person awhile back starting groups to solicit clients for appointment setting and begging people in their posts "Please PM me".

The way I say it, that isnt fair to Allen Says (WF Owner).

He has set up a perfectly good advertising system here and several avenues for people to do it legit. You are just ripping him off and free loading from his forum if you do any other way.

"I will greet this day with love in my heart".

Part of that is following the rules and showing love to the people who provide the opportunities.

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rolltide

14 years ago

Them Amway reps are about as bad as those Send Out Cards reps . Aint that right Jack

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Jason Kanigan

14 years ago

Og Mandino, John?

EDIT:
Read

that book about a dozen years ago now...great for getting to the right attitude. Obviously the lesson line stuck with me.

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John Durham

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kaniganj

Og Mandino, John?

Is there another?

Cool that you recognize it!!

Og changed my life. When I was twenty one I had that scroll memorized and could quote it completely. Made such a HUGE impression and still does every single time I read. Such powerful words. Its the telemarketing forum creed in our admin rules and protocol section.

That was more than a sales book...it was divinely inspired.

Originally Posted by emergemma

I can't believe Amway still exists. I had an aunt who got caught up in Amway back in the 80s.

I thought they had changed to quickstar years ago. My brother (not Michael Bucker from here.., although he is also my brother and also successful in sales) is an MLM'r. The "pro" kind who actually makes alot of money at it.

Not for me. Id rather start my own offline affiliate network. it makes more sense.

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Cass Tyson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

Id rather start my own offline affiliate network. it makes more sense.

And how exactly would you do that? Or should I ask, how did you do that?

Is this different than a traditional sales team?

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John Durham

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cass Tyson

And how exactly would you do that? Or should I ask, how did you do that?

Is this different than a traditional sales team?

I had one back in 2003, that business eventually failed for various reasons but could reasonably be rebuilt, just havent done it...too busy teaching telemarketing online this year...

Anyway:

A: Placed Ads in all the Major US cities on monster.com
B: Sent Applicants to an Online Application which educated them about the opportunity and asked questions geared to make them sell themselves to my telemarketers on the phone who would
C: Call back and interview them and qualify them , recruit them , and charge them $299 to join the opportunity.
D: made hundreds of thousands of dollars just on recruiting alone.
E: send all applicants to a training forum for ongoing sales support.
F: Sent them a flip through salespresentation book comprised of pages printed off my pc.
G: Sent them each a stack of free business card gotten somewhere online.
H: Trained them in the forum to approach "models", and sell them a 5 page portfolio site within my "modeling directory", whereby they would have a means of showcasing their photos to agents via email and online.
I: Subscribed to all the major casting call sheets...and each week would send a casting tips newsletter to all the models who joined so they would have somewhere to send links.
J: Contacted a major modeling agency and gave them a free site for their endorsement.

In the end we had literally thousands of customers.

Everyday I would print out a stack of a hundred applications, disperse them to my telemarketers who recruited the applicants via an interview process.

The application process and the script was set up so that the applicants had to sell themselves to my telemarketers, giving the TM all of the leverage.

Set the recruits up with a commission structure for recruiting models.

Had hundreds of recruits and 10% of them worked hard every week and made money sending us models. Had 2,000 models by the end of the first year all recruited by the applicants that my telemarketers closed and put on the roster ie; "offline affiliates".

The "clincher" was that men all over America would fall over themselves to have a business card that stated they worked with a National Modeling company.

Bamm.

There you go!

Ps. When other call centers found out how I did it, I was paid very well to set up networks like that for a couple of other companies too.

My brother Michael on this forum was who I chose as my business partner at the time, because I wanted to focus on creativity and he was good at presidential stuff and delegating... called him up and said "I will give you 50% to come to Nashville and run my company while I create...".

He took care of the admin dept, taxes, legal stuff... managing secretaries and paperwork flow...vendors..., and I took care of sales and marketing, managing telemarketers and webdesigners...

As far as SEO? all my recruits did that...they would advertise all over the net and drove us up the search engines. Placing internet ads was part of their training and all of their links lead back to their recruiter pages hosted on my site.

Aint that right bro?

(Im sure he will come across this some time...).

Gospel truth here. I had literally hundreds of reps all over the US making sales every day within just a couple of months, and I started at my kitchen table with just an idea.

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RussellRead

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

I had one back in 2003, that business eventually failed for various reasons but could reasonably be rebuilt, just havent done it...too busy teaching telemarketing online this year...

Anyway:

A: Placed Ads in all the Major US cities on monster.com
B: Sent Applicants to an Online Application which educated them about the opportunity and asked questions geared to make them sell themselves to my telemarketers on the phone who would
C: Call back and interview them and qualify them , recruit them , and charge them $299 to join the opportunity.
D: made hundreds of thousands of dollars just on recruiting alone.
E: send all applicants to a training forum for ongoing sales support.
F: Sent them a flip through salespresentation book comprised of pages printed off my pc.
G: Sent them each a stack of free business card gotten somewhere online.
H: Trained them in the forum to approach "models", and sell them a 5 page portfolio site within my "modeling directory", whereby they would have a means of showcasing their photos to agents via email and online.
I: Subscribed to all the major casting call sheets...and each week would send a casting tips newsletter to all the models who joined so they would have somewhere to send links.
J: Contacted a major modeling agency and gave them a free site for their endorsement.

In the end we had literally thousands of customers.

Everyday I would print out a stack of a hundred applications, disperse them to my telemarketers who recruited the applicants via an interview process.

The application process and the script was set up so that the applicants had to sell themselves to my telemarketers, giving the TM all of the leverage.

Set the recruits up with a commission structure for recruiting models.

Had hundreds of recruits and 10% of them worked hard every week and made money sending us models. Had 2,000 models by the end of the first year all recruited by the applicants that my telemarketers closed and put on the roster ie; "offline affiliates".

The "clincher" was that men all over America would fall over themselves to have a business card that stated they worked with a National Modeling company.

Bamm.

There you go!

Ps. When other call centers found out how I did it, I was paid very well to set up networks like that for a couple of other companies too.

My brother Michael on this forum was who I chose as my business partner at the time, because I wanted to focus on creativity and he was good at presidential stuff and delegating... called him up and said "I will give you 50% to come to Nashville and run my company while I create...".

He took care of the admin dept, taxes, legal stuff... managing secretaries and paperwork flow...vendors..., and I took care of sales and marketing, managing telemarketers and webdesigners...

As far as SEO? all my recruits did that...they would advertise all over the net and drove us up the search engines. Placing internet ads was part of their training and all of their links lead back to their recruiter pages hosted on my site.

Aint that right bro?

(Im sure he will come across this some time...).

Gospel truth here. I had literally hundreds of reps all over the US making sales every day within just a couple of months, and I started at my kitchen table with just an idea.

Wow this method just blew me away! There some awesome twists you can do with this.

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Seantrepreneur

14 years ago

Yeah, typically when the words "Make Money Fast or Easy" are grouped together there is something fishy about the idea. That's not to say you can't make money fast offline, but there are no magic buttons to push to make that happen.

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dshipman

14 years ago

I can't believe Amway still exists. I had an aunt who got caught up in Amway back in the 80s.

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DianaHeuser

14 years ago

No offense guys, but there is nothing wrong with MLM or Amway for that matter.

They are great business models. What matters is how people approach that business.

Do they do it ethically or use the methods you described above?

How many times have we heard that Internet Marketing is a scam? It all depends on the way you do business.

Just my humble opinion

Di

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Cass Tyson

14 years ago

Originally Posted by DianaHeuser

No offense guys, but there is nothing wrong with MLM or Amway for that matter.

They are great business models. What matters is how people approach that business.

Yeah, great for the 1% at the top, not so great for the 99% who fail, statistically speaking. (To paraphrase a recent trend...)

Originally Posted by John Durham

A: Placed Ads in all the Major US cities on monster.com...
C. ...charge them $299 to join the opportunity.

Interesting. I think in 2011, this would get you banned from any/all online job sites. I wonder if there's a way to set this up so you're not charging people to work for you, at least, not so blatantly in advance.

It's certainly fair and reasonable to charge for business cards, logo polo shirts/uniforms, car magnets, brochures, etc, etc... so that could be a profit center over and above the actual sales of product (which should be the primary revenue generator, IMHO).

I also wonder if there's a s/w package that will track, as affiliate s/w does, what telemarketers brought in what sales reps who made which sales, and so on...? That's what I had in mind when you said "offline affiliate network."

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DianaHeuser 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cass Tyson

Yeah, great for the 1% at the top, not so great for the 99% who fail, statistically speaking. (To paraphrase a recent trend...)

The same could be said for Internet Marketing

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John Durham

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cass Tyson

Yeah, great for the 1% at the top, not so great for the 99% who fail, statistically speaking. (To paraphrase a recent trend...)

Interesting. I think in 2011, this would get you banned from any/all online job sites. I wonder if there's a way to set this up so you're not charging people to work for you, at least, not so blatantly in advance.

It's certainly fair and reasonable to charge for business cards, logo polo shirts/uniforms, car magnets, brochures, etc, etc... so that could be a profit center over and above the actual sales of product (which should be the primary revenue generator, IMHO).

I also wonder if there's a s/w package that will track, as affiliate s/w does, what telemarketers brought in what sales reps who made which sales, and so on...? That's what I had in mind when you said "offline affiliate network."

If I were to do it today I would still charge. Especially at the Warrior forum, people would join just to get into your private training area with no desire to actually work for you.

lol... Michael and his secretary were the "affiliate tracking system". lol

Charging to let people into an opportunity is not a new or foreign concept, its another one of those things you will see all around you by looking around. Mike Lantz even does it, for every WSO pro affiliate. It doesnt lack integrity either, its a personal choice "You wanna play our game, , benefit from our hard work...and learn our secrets...you have to pay the tuition for the education and the chance to gain profit off of what we built".

Otherwise you have a thousand people with the inside scoop on your business and none of them have a vested interest in working on it and helping you make it work.

Hourly employees are different... different operating system entirely.

Ps. I failed to mention, the $299 was a "deposit" that was paid back on their first sale (Really)... the only ones who really paid for it in the end were the ones who didnt do anything with the opportunity, and wasted our time.

It cost a couple hundred bucks to recruit them... when you count the interviewer, office, materials, webdesigner, admin staff... and whatever else... paper, pens, internet access, personal training time... it actually all is overhead...hosting....

Why not charge, since 90% are going to waste your time and resources, and give the money back to the ones who earn it, and who respect the opportunity?

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danielkanuck

14 years ago

I hate MLM. Had a guy try to pitch me for an hour on something called Pre-Paid Legal. After i told the guy i'm not interested in MLM, he began a rant about how this isn't MLM or Amway or anything else. I still declined this clown. His whole approach to marketing his opportunity was so primitive.

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manny2513

14 years ago

Yeah I was the first one to give him a hard time as my BS flag came up just by reading his thread tittle. lol

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John Durham 14 years ago

Originally Posted by manny2513

Yeah I was the first one to give him a hard time as my BS flag came up just by reading his thread tittle. lol

My Nashville Brother. I lived there for many years... Plan on going back too.

Theres no city quite like Nash Vegas!
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  Originally Posted by John Durham
  
  My Nashville Brother. I lived there for many years... Plan on going back too.
  
  Theres no city quite like Nash Vegas!
  
  Yeah no place like Nashvegas man. When you get back hit me up so we can hit downtown together and go watch the Titans.
  
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