Is the Offline Niche Just About Dead?

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If you have to ask us that, why would anybody want to buy a offline WSO from you?

And more to the point, How can you even think about selling one to begin with?

What kind of product?

Yep. Dead. Nothing left and no one here but us chickens.

Then why are you wasting your time posting on the forums? Go work on your next 'big project' instead

Sorry... but you're an absolute moron that is uninformed about the niche if you have to ask if it's dead or not. No offense.. I know you're just asking a question, but we aren't very kind to people wanting to profit off offline consultants who don't know jack about our market.

Is the offline niche responsive to WSO's and garbage products? Not as receptive as internet marketing niche. The reason is most people here are very savvy. ALSO... there are far more threads in this forum offering much more value than any of the WSO's.

WSO's of the day in the past month have all been techniques mentioned in this forum, in great detail.

I'm with Ken.. You just showed the forum that you're unqualified.. even if it isn't true, perception is everything.

Junk is dead....
Quality is ever green....

Which one do you have?

LOL. Go fish for free information in one of the other sub-forums. It's people like you that give this forum a bad reputation; info-product 'resellers' that don't practice what they preach.

Yes it is. No one can make money at it anymore. Even the chickens have died.

Yea, nothing out there.

It's dead. Like a ghost town out there.

Will you send me a link to your WSO though?

Sounds like you have the "answer"

Well, let's see, so far I'm a moron, a bottom-feeder looking for free information, the poster child for someone who gives this forum a bad name, and someone who peddles rehashed PLR. All that from asking a question about offline. In the "Offline Marketing Discussions" sub-forum.

I was asking a simple question. Didn't know I needed to hang out all of my credentials. Okay, I'll play along. I've been in marketing for 23 years. I've been doing offline marketing successfully for 18 months now. I've been inundated with all kinds of stuff on offline marketing like everybody else has. I've finally got to a place where I can put together an offline product built from experience, both success and failure. It's not PLR. It will have a high level of excellence.

But I'm coming to the dance late. I'm just asking if it's over. I thought the Offline sub-forum would be an appropriate place to ask. If you have an opinion on the question, I would appreciate your reply to the poll. If not, may God bless your online business.

(a) There's all kinds of info products aimed at offline consultants still being sold on the internet, so obviously there is a market.
(b) You certainly don't have to sell quality, as there are certainly many who don't. But this particular forum appreciates quality, and pretty much tells it as it is (though not always). If you have something quality to sell, you'll probably do well in the sub-niche of those who look for quality products.

No, it's not dead. Nothing is (in marketing terms)


People want to make money.
People want to save money.
People want to lose weight.
People want to look better.
People want others to like them.
People want to feel loved.

These needs have been around for thousands of years. If you can package something that will hep them get what they want, they will buy it.

Ignore the panic merchants. They either write form the point of view that they have no clue what they're doing (therefore their marketing efforts *are* dead), or they are gearing you up to buy their "next solution" because they miraculously discovered some way to get round such - and - such being dead and they know there are thousands of gullible "people" wanting to ...

make more money.
save more money.
lose more weight.
look better.
feel better.

etc etc etc.

Paul Barrs

PS. Right now the 'offline' side of my internet business (which I've been doing for 11 years and never bought one single WSO) has never been healthier. I've got more work than I can handle on my own. It's so damn busy in fact that it's starting to impact upon my online business, which really ticks me off.

Yeah because he has the attitude of a moron, i sit really that hard for you to understand that you don't talk to people that way? only morons do imho...

Man, let's just end this...

You can see that this part of the forum is alive and well with a large amount of responses to your thread in just the past few hours alone, which means there are in fact people browsing this section of the forum.

If you're going to make a WSO, don't make it the usual "brand new system to get clients without cold calling!" because, we've all pretty much become immune to that stuff, and the best methods have been shared right here for free. **John Durham, iamnameless, kaniganj to name a few...**

What I think would be a hit would be to come up with some niches that you've absolutely killed it for a client for. So, say you've taken on a client with a car dealership and you tripled his revenues in the first 2 months, make a WSO around how exactly you did, so then it can be duplicated and the consultant who purchased your WSO can now duplicate your system to do the same for a car dealership in their local area.

The people that are past the "how do I get clients?" phase are the ones that are going to succeed, and they're not the ones being targeted with WSO's. Because, speaking from experience, I've gotten past the, can't get clients, and gone to the.. "how do I get them the best results now?" phase.

I think you guys may be a bit hard on the OP. It doesn't sound like he's asking if "offline marketing" itself is dead but rather if people in the offline marketing space are still buying products and WSOs to learn from. He wants to know whether it is worthwhile for him to release his own WSO.

That said, I did reply to the survey, but I don't think it's dead. There is plenty of space for a good (read: relevant) WSO. New people (like me) are coming into the offline space all of the time.

Before you consider releasing your WSO, though, I think you should look around and contribute to the community here. There's a great group of folks here, and they are very knowledgeable. Target your product appropriately and you'll be fine.

Take care, and don't give up on your idea! :-)

As long as there are offline small businesses there will be offline consultants to help them grow, and as long as there are offline consultants there will be a market to help them be more successful.

It's a basic basic basic basic concept

....the issue is if you don't know that.......nuff said

Am I the only one who thinks you have the wrong SUBJECT HEADER on this thread?

I assumed you were asking if Offline Marketing was 'dead', not whether offline niche products still sell to consultants. Offline niche products, at least in the WSO forum, are the third best-selling product category.

I'll just add that the overall competition in the wso forum is quite stiff. An average of 20+ new wso's a day and the average wso sells less than 25 copies. (excluding 'mega' launches).
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Bruce

If you have real, rare expertise that helps people make money in a niche, then you can have a successful product. Offline is alive and kicking.

My thoughts:

Subject of thread is inaccurate
Irony detected in original post
Legitimate question being posed
Negative crowd overreaction

The OP might be good at his sub-niche within the enormous and broad umbrella called "Offline Marketing." But he doesn't claim to know everything. The question seems to be more about market perception.

Obviously "offline" is still alive and kickin' as there are still businesses open.

The "offline" as a niche is a different subject, and I would have to say no.

Having been around since the "offline gold" days and when the niche hit hard with IM'ers I have seen it transform. Just like any other topic or niche it goes through its ups and downs.

At first it was only a few of us(literally, a few), and then as more and more people jumped in some came up with awesome plans while others rehashed existing material(just like other IM fields). It did get a little stale there for a small bit but its still going strong as ever...especially as technology advances.

Just my .02 worth though.

keith

Yes do a WSO. I will buy it if I see its something that I need or better my offline business. I will definitely asked for a refund if its rehashed.

Ok, now for my two cents.

A complete niche, whether it be the niche itself or a product of that niche, NEVER completely dies. It changes, of course. It might even do a complete 360, but it never dies. Especially a niche as big as offline marketing.

If you gave a little more specifics, maybe we could tell you if your ebook would sell or not. I doubt that it's a book covering every aspect of Offline Marketing. What does your ebook cover?

I noticed before that somebody asked for more information about your ebook and you told them that they don't need to know and all you need to know is if it's dead or not. So I'm assuming you'll be one of those WSO sellers that keeps the sales page a mystery instead of telling people exactly what they're going to learn or receive from your ebook. I've seen a lot of those, "INSIDE You will find out EXACTLY how to make money! I can't tell you how unless you buy it though... Trust me" type ebooks. The refund rates are through the roof, that's not the route you want to go.

This was also stated before, but the offline marketing section of the forum is probably the most valuable sub-forum of the entire WF. There's so much that you can learn in here. Mainly because people are more into selling results to business owners rather than selling how to products to people on the internet. So they don't mind giving it away.

Also, if you really wanted to sell your ebook to people on this forum, the most practical method would be to make a post giving away some of the information. If people find it new and valuable, they WILL look into buying your ebook.

Offline Marketing is slamming busy....only if you are highly trained and staying up to date with new technology. Every business MUST have a Mobile App by the end of 2012 of their business will be dead, not this industry.

Thank you all for your feedback, whether it was positive or negative. I'll admit the question could have been phrased a little better in retrospect but thank you for reading my intentions in between the lines. I assure you there was nothing diabolical about it. I was just trying to get an idea from other offline marketers if they feel the market for helpful, quality offline resources was oversaturated. It wasn't a pre-sell (there were no specifics, so there was nothing to pre-sell).


As some have asked, I didn't mention the details of what I've been working on because 1) the intention of my question had to do with the offline market in general, and 2) I didn't want the replies to get distracted in evaluating the particular offer rather than the state of the market. A better worded question would have put the focus on the state of offline marketer's reception to helpful, quality solutions.

I think what I was looking for was a response like "If I get an email for one more offline resource I'm gonna puke" and a "I'm always on the lookout for quality offline solutions" and everything in between. What I'm hearing is if it meets a real need, there's enough of an interest to at least look at it. The quality still has to be there, but no one's running from offline like they are from, say, Adsense post-Panda.

One last thing. Something else I'm walking away with is an obvious lesson in posting a question on the WF. Nevertheless, thanks for your feedback, positive or negative, volatile or calm. I appreciate your input.

I'll be honest the thing that confused me the most was the simple fact you said you were working in the offline arena... but then asked if it was dead.

How can it be dead if YOU are working in it? Its such an obvious question.

Even though the header is incongruent with your post, that alone confused me. Offline is a VERY large market in its own right and will never die. Not as long as mail and phone are around.

I also realize the thread has calmed down not trying to stir anything back up but iamnameless made an excellent point. You're trying to sell information to offline consultants while knowing apparently little to nothing about THEIR NICHE.

As far as looking bad, I say no, as long as you understand where people are coming from, and are willing to keep an opend mind, people will respect that.

Wooo you guys can be like a pack of sharks and Lone is a bleeding piece of raw meet here. WOW. I think I will creep to another thread now. I was wondering the answer myself just for curiosity sake. I'm not going to change what I'm doing (and I'm a total newb at offline), and keep on struggling out there but the title got my curiosity up.

I think some gurus who are losing dollars on their cough cough oh so magical wso's for online make a million dollars without doing anything products may be behind the rumor of offline being dead.

I was hoping to find someone else who thought that.

pz

Lonestar I made the tragic mistake or error of clicking on your sig link and having to go through 3 or 4 exit pop up's just not to hear Sean Donahoe's voice anymore.

That won't happen again trust me on that bruh!

Offline niche is not dead. It all depends on the strategy you're using.