5 Tips For Putting Your Offline Income on Autopilot

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Hey everyone. I don't contribute on here much as I should but I plan on becoming more active on the offline forum here at the warrior forum. I was having a scotch on the back deck last night and laughing my ass off at the mayhem going on in the adsense/PPC forum after the latest Google algorithm update. BTW, congrats to all who have stuck to their guns for their clients and slept easy the past week as those lazy back link blasters watched their client's websites fall to the fiery pits of Google purgatory. I decided I should get on here and give back a little to the offline marketing industry that has enabled my lifestyle for myself and my family. I'm also re-reading the 4 hour work week so I'm on a bit an autopilot income kick at the moment. Anyways, here it is. A seasoned offliner's guide to autopilot income. I'll try not to make this too long.

Tip 1: Automated leads

I haven't made a cold call in 6 years. I hate cold calling and even more, I hate being cold called. From my experience a cold call is the first indication that your company is struggling and no one wants to hire a struggling company to help their struggling company. Instead, every juicy, "Please Help Us" lead has come from a form on my company website. Every page that describes a service which I offer whether it's PPC, landing pages, FB optimization or what have you, has a customized lead form with just 3-4 fields. Not enough to overwhelm the client, but enough to let them know it's not a generic form and you genuinely care about their reasons for getting in touch with you. Answering those e-mails and sending a pre-formatted proposal on my iPhone while I sit next to my wife on the beach with sand between my toes? Now that's what we call autopilot income.

Tip 2: Get off on the right foot from the get go

I've lost a lot of money on needy clients. I've learned it's better to just pass these leads off to another company rather than waste my time and resources babysitting. These clients come in the form of the "How are we doing?" Every 5 minute e-mailers, the "Let's meet once a week to review your progress" clients and the dreaded "Teach me what you're doing so I know" clients. I don't have time for this nonsense. I tell clients right from the start that they hired me to get them more leads and I'm not a babysitter. If you don't get more leads, be it phone calls or web leads, then we can schedule a meeting to discuss strategy. I once had a client (who was a very nice man by the way) simply walk into my office during a teleconference with another client and ask me how things were going. I had just started working with his flooring distribution business and saw the dreaded signals. I hushed him up and had him wait in the lobby. After 10 minutes (the phone call had only been 5) I came out and had a conversation about how valuable my time was and how if every client showed up at my door all the time then I'd of rather just opened up a day care. I was admittedly a little harsh and then followed it up with some consoling and answered a few questions. To this day whenever he e-mails me he starts it with "Sorry to bother you but can you..?" Mission accomplished. He loves the new business he's got coming in and stays out of my way while I get it for him.

Tip 3: Occasionally upsell your current client list and turbo-charge your autopilot income.

The best way to do this is with a blog and a company newsletter. Rather than blasting an e-mail about your services you need to be innovative and deliver engaging content. My last newsletter (which isn't all that fancy but clean and professional looking) had the subject of "How we increased leads to a local (insert city) business with these 3 simple steps." I described the case study and how we achieved the results. I knew that my clients didn't have time for what was involved with this new service we were offering and guess what? 30 out of the 40 clients this newsletter went out to replied back that they wanted to sign up for this new monthly subscription service. I just increased my income by 4k+ per month. All with one email and all were services that I could put on auto pilot.

Tip 4: Don't be a cheapskate, invest in some tools

Without my tool set, I'd be lost. I've got a service that makes me sound like a Fortune 500 company but rings my cell phone and lets me decide to answer or send to an automated mailbox (this allows me to vacation at least once a month). I've got a $34/month subscription to online accounting software that allows for online payments from my clients, automated monthly recurring invoicing, and an iPhone app that came with the accounting software so that I can vacation and keep everything in check (if I want to). Remember that e-mail that got my business all those new monthly up sells? I added them all to my recurring billing in my accounting software from the bar of the hotel I was staying at using the iPhone app. I also utilize a writing service to keep my clients websites updated with top notch content that makes them think I hired a team of Harvard graduates to keep their sites updated. I'm paying pennies on the dollar. You'll never get your offline business on autopilot and away from the ball and chain of your desk unless you utilize all the awesome automation tools out there.

Tip 5: Partner Up

I debated not revealing this tip as it's led to unbelievable success for me. It's so simple you'll probably bang your head against the desk. Partner up with local advertising firms. From my experience these firms are dinosaurs and are nervous as hell at the new technology coming out every day. They're dying to partner up with a business or person that can get their clients more leads and make them look like a million bucks. I have one advertising firm I partnered with that brings me 60k+ per year. And you know what the best part is? I have NO interaction with their clients. None, zilch, nada. I travel and vacation in peace. The best part is that I landed this partnership over an e-mail I sent them, no sales pitch or presentations or any of that BS. The easy sell is to explain to them that rather than hire an 80k+/year web marketer to their team, why not partner with you so they can avoid all the federal and state taxes, the health insurance, the 401k, etc. AND they can write off your services as a 1099 subcontractor expense. Deal closed.

Hope you enjoyed the read and keep on kickin' it in the offline marketing world. If you're one of those that got blasted in the latest Google update then quit your whining, pick yourself up and dust yourself and start building a real business that you can be proud of. The wealth will come. Ben Franklin once said - Wealth is not his that has it, but his that enjoys it. Use these tips to put your offline wealth on autopilot and start enjoying it!

- Nate
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  • Profile picture of the author Preeti
    Amazing post Nate, thanks for sharing..I'm bookmarking this and adding "reach out to advertising firms' to my to do list.

    Awesome share!
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    • Profile picture of the author sitefurnace
      This is good stuff thank you.

      You make it sound so simple to get leads from your contact form but getting the traffic to your site is the key to this. How do you get this traffic?

      I'd love not to cold call but its a damn site easier than SEO for the offline niche?
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  • Profile picture of the author dmister
    Thanks for this post! Sounds good that you have the leads contact you rather than you worry trying to find them.
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  • Profile picture of the author massiveray
    Great post.

    I have literally started to do some of these things this past week, I got into offline marketing so I could make decent money and take holidays whenever I want. Was telling a guy on here about it this afternoon actually.

    Just put out an ad to find a project manager to take over all of my delegation and daily tasks.

    Also looking for a few good contractors to manage the workload.

    One question though, how are you driving traffic to your contact forms? I did seo on my site at the beginning but found it was a full time job battling with all the other companies who wanted to rank for web design city seo city etc etc for the number 1 spot.

    Getting a much better conversion rate from my telemarketers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjam1n
    Since it seems you truly are kicking it on the offline world, I wondered whether you would be kind enough to mention which services you find are in the biggest demand and where do you find your outsourcers?

    Do you go to elance, odesk etc for each client or have you built a team of outsourcers that you will use regularly?

    Whilst I appreciate that there is not a shred of evidence to support your claims (as is the case with all warriors) I really like some of your tips and thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author AussieT
    Great post thanks for sharing. Could you share some more specifics regarding tip #4 and the tools you use?
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  • Profile picture of the author nate3445
    Thanks for all the kind words. It's nice that even the naysayers thank me for my advice even after I've been called out for not having any evidence of whatever it is I'm supposed to be claiming. No worries, I've always been a skeptic too. Anyways, the resounding question seems to be "How do you get leads without cold calling" bit. Good question. First off if you're a true web marketer your website site should be #1 for "(insert your local city) seo" That's my numero uno lead closer if the client has any qualms with my pricing. Who else can do that? No one. I've earned it, it's mine, I own it. None of my competitors can say that. I guarantee you that 1 out of 2 clients will check to see where you rank in this regard (and who can blame them?) before signing a contract with you. If you don't have that position then it makes for an embarrassing and awkward conversation once they figure it out. If you haven't achieved that then go back to the drawing board. Besides it looking bad that you're not there, how are you supposed to achieve that for your clients when you can't do it for your own company? Screw your clients, spend your time making YOURSELF great first, it'll pay off ten fold more than any client you'll land in the future and your closing percentages will soar.

    My company's natural ranking is only one method and honestly many of those leads that I get from those searching "mycity SEO" are probably not going to be great clients. I prefer referrals from other business associates. It weeds out the time wasters. If you do well by a client then ask your clients if they have any business friends that would benefit from your services (noncompeting of course). Fishermen hang out with other fishermen. Rockstars hang out with other rockstars. Business men/women hang out with other business men/women. Your client's Rolodex can easily become yours once you prove you're trustworthy and prove you can bring the leads. My clients also know me well and I would imagine most would tell their associates I'm hard to get a hold of if you're not a client of mine but I respond quick to e-mail so they'll most likely come through my web form as well (good autopilot trick). This also has the added benefit of making me sought after because I've created that mysterious allure. I obviously don't recommend doing this for everyone but I've told prominent clients that they wouldn't be a good fit for my company (even though they had lots of $$) to help me mold the way I wanted my company to look like from the outside. I knew they'd go complain to 10 of their friends who would in turn wonder who this guy was and in turn tell 10 of their friends. I've only done this with people that rub me the wrong way during a meeting. I'm a pretty likeable guy so if I don't like you then that persons "friends" probably don't hold much of an affinity for the guy either. It worked like a charm. I instantly became a sought after business partner, not a salesman.

    I had to walk before I started to run. Everyone does. Tomorrow call or email some of your best clients in your portfolio and let them know you're looking to drum up some fresh business and would like to offer them a complimentary (never say free) month of SEO (or other service) for a good referral that comes through. I wouldn't recommend this to the web marketer who's been at this for years but it's a good way to get your foot in the door and get some momentum going to get you on your way.


    Massiveray - glad you're doing well with telemarketing, another great tool in the tool kit. I'd recommend keeping a close eye on their scripts so they represent you well but I'm sure you already are. Also think about saving yourself some $$ by going to the local college and putting an ad out for internships. It's a free workforce and they'll be hungry to do well for you. They also understand social media and the latest technology much better than a grumpy call center guy, plus they'll understand your local market since they're immersed in it.

    This is getting a bit long winded, my apologies for rambling. Ben, I use automation along with outsourcing. I don't have a specific team. I have a formula I follow and a variety of outsourcers both in country and out. Some I've never met or talked to. I've never used odesk or anything like that, just tried services that I liked or had outsourcers recommend other outsourcers. I never give a single out sourcer all the pieces of the puzzle. I learned this from a business friend who was manufacturing his invention out of china. He had to outsource the parts to different parts of the country so no company would steal his idea and start making knock offs. I'm the one that puts all the pieces of the puzzle together.

    Cheers all, hope you were able to take something away from this mess of a post. I'm retiring to the deck with a glass of oban.

    Nate
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  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    Best post I have seen all month! Wait its just 1st of the month


    Seriously, thanks for the great post! Awesome info for everyone to learn from .


    Keep it coming bro!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Nicely done SIR. Good to see a fresh breeze of information in here - beside the usual everyday stuff...

    One question tho:

    Have you got any other partnerships with local companies? Or just one?
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilaPM
    Good post. Any chance you'd be willing to share your website so we can check out your lead gen forms you have on your service pages? I'd like to redesign my site to be more of a lead gen site.

    THanks
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    Great post, I like the "Walk before you can Run"
    I see too many people in this industry looking for a pot of gold....Offline Marketing is a legitimate business and should be treated like one.
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  • Profile picture of the author msu
    Exactly. Before nate got to the point where he was sending email templates from the beach he will have done a ton of work on SEO, etc. to get to the point where clients are virtually begging for his services.

    There's always some legwork before you get to the shortcuts.
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    great post having good tips.thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author nate3445
      Aussie -

      For my accounting I use Freshbooks.com. It's simple, looks great (edgy web 2.0) and automated. I'm a serial entrepreneur and a creative so sitting behind a desk printing and invoicing each month was a waste of my time and absolute misery for me. I've been burned before in the past by commissioned sales people, business partners, etc. so it's made me very hands on, to a fault probably. This is why I prefer automation everywhere I can. The best part of Freshbooks is that it emails out late notices at 30, 60 and 90 that are scary as hell and all on autopilot. I have some bigger corporate clients that are always 90 payers (while my smaller mom and pop shops have a check to me the day after their invoiced - go figure). Since using Freshbooks I've never had them go over 30. Here's a tip. My proposals and invoices say that our invoicing system is attached to our marketing tools so be sure to pay within 30 or the system will shut itself down. Not true but I don't have any late payers to chase after. It makes my system the bad guy, not me.

      I use Grasshopper.com for my phone system. 1-800 #, $9/month with name directory, hold music, mailboxes, etc. Rings your cell phone and you can choose to pick it up. Best feature for me is that at 5pm it shuts off automatically and goes to voicemail. I value my time with my family in the evening so this was imperative. Also you can log into their site and listen to missed voicemail while on the road.

      My most valuable tools I have are the tools I've created. I have a custom content administration tool (I hate wordpress for clients and clients hate the wordpress interface) I've developed, drag and drop landing pages with an admin and auto reporting that I can hook to adwords to track conversion rates, Banners that can be changed quickly for Google's remarketing system, Lead gen Facebook apps that link to my web admin so you update your website and the client's facebook app updates live. I can have a client set up in about an hour and all the tools talk to each other so making a report is a breeze at the end of the month. Some of the setup I outsource and my wife is very well organized so she handles the reporting.

      Reputation management is really hot right now and frighteningly simple. This is a huge market and the easiest sell (it's a fear sell, being proactive about your business -businesses owners are proud). Once I tell my client how we execute it they think we're genius because it's so simple plus we cross sell their other services to their customers while we execute the proactive reputation management plan.

      I truly enjoy what I do and the respect and appreciation I get from clients is very gratifying. To have a CEO of a multimillion $$ company sit in a meeting and take notes on every word you say is exciting and humbling at the same time. I've thought about simply becoming a consultant but the execution and numbers part is just as interesting to me.

      I've gotten a few PM's about my warroom post from way back. There's some juicy info in that post that still brings in a very healthy passive income and has been a blast. Every offliner already has the knowledge to execute the plan. People create boxes for themselves they can't get out of. Stop creating boxes and start thinking higher level. A key to this is to start spending time with higher level thinkers. It's allowed me to create a unique system that has brought in a quarter of a million in extra sales for one single client (maybe I'll elaborate on that later).

      Fernando - I have 2 in my local market but they have very different clients. I have others in other geographic markets. Ad firms tend to have a core set of clients that they keep for years so there's not much conflict. One is in the medical niche which is very profitable for both of us, lots of money on the table there from LASIK surgery to brain surgery (Doctors LOVE their reputations and pay HUGE for it). But yes, that can get tricky from a political standpoint if you work with conflicting ad firms. One asked me to sign a non-compete and I told them no way. They still work with me to this day

      Back to the point of the original post. One thing you should practice at the end of the day/week is to sit down and analyze what you did that day, write it down. Now go through that list and write down in another column what you could have done to automate those tasks and how you could have done it without being in front of a desk. If that's not possible, write down how you could have done it in half the time. It's amazing how much fat you can cut out of your work diet in retrospect.


      I've also had a few requests on here and in the real world to start a course and offer tools for other professionals in other cities. Who knows, maybe one day I'll get out of my own box and get something together. Then again I've fallen for a couple WSO's on here that peaked my interest and I can say I've had $6.50 bottles of wine that were better than the crap contained within. The wine also left a better taste in my mouth once I finished it.

      Anyways, Hope everyone has a profitable day.

      Nate
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      • Profile picture of the author twilight101
        Originally Posted by nate3445 View Post

        Aussie -

        For my accounting I use Freshbooks.com. It's simple, looks great (edgy web 2.0) and automated. I'm a serial entrepreneur and a creative so sitting behind a desk printing and invoicing each month was a waste of my time and absolute misery for me. I've been burned before in the past by commissioned sales people, business partners, etc. so it's made me very hands on, to a fault probably. This is why I prefer automation everywhere I can. The best part of Freshbooks is that it emails out late notices at 30, 60 and 90 that are scary as hell and all on autopilot. I have some bigger corporate clients that are always 90 payers (while my smaller mom and pop shops have a check to me the day after their invoiced - go figure). Since using Freshbooks I've never had them go over 30. Here's a tip. My proposals and invoices say that our invoicing system is attached to our marketing tools so be sure to pay within 30 or the system will shut itself down. Not true but I don't have any late payers to chase after. It makes my system the bad guy, not me.

        I use Grasshopper.com for my phone system. 1-800 #, $9/month with name directory, hold music, mailboxes, etc. Rings your cell phone and you can choose to pick it up. Best feature for me is that at 5pm it shuts off automatically and goes to voicemail. I value my time with my family in the evening so this was imperative. Also you can log into their site and listen to missed voicemail while on the road.

        My most valuable tools I have are the tools I've created. I have a custom content administration tool (I hate wordpress for clients and clients hate the wordpress interface) I've developed, drag and drop landing pages with an admin and auto reporting that I can hook to adwords to track conversion rates, Banners that can be changed quickly for Google's remarketing system, Lead gen Facebook apps that link to my web admin so you update your website and the client's facebook app updates live. I can have a client set up in about an hour and all the tools talk to each other so making a report is a breeze at the end of the month. Some of the setup I outsource and my wife is very well organized so she handles the reporting.

        Reputation management is really hot right now and frighteningly simple. This is a huge market and the easiest sell (it's a fear sell, being proactive about your business -businesses owners are proud). Once I tell my client how we execute it they think we're genius because it's so simple plus we cross sell their other services to their customers while we execute the proactive reputation management plan.

        I truly enjoy what I do and the respect and appreciation I get from clients is very gratifying. To have a CEO of a multimillion $$ company sit in a meeting and take notes on every word you say is exciting and humbling at the same time. I've thought about simply becoming a consultant but the execution and numbers part is just as interesting to me.

        I've gotten a few PM's about my warroom post from way back. There's some juicy info in that post that still brings in a very healthy passive income and has been a blast. Every offliner already has the knowledge to execute the plan. People create boxes for themselves they can't get out of. Stop creating boxes and start thinking higher level. A key to this is to start spending time with higher level thinkers. It's allowed me to create a unique system that has brought in a quarter of a million in extra sales for one single client (maybe I'll elaborate on that later).

        Fernando - I have 2 in my local market but they have very different clients. I have others in other geographic markets. Ad firms tend to have a core set of clients that they keep for years so there's not much conflict. One is in the medical niche which is very profitable for both of us, lots of money on the table there from LASIK surgery to brain surgery (Doctors LOVE their reputations and pay HUGE for it). But yes, that can get tricky from a political standpoint if you work with conflicting ad firms. One asked me to sign a non-compete and I told them no way. They still work with me to this day

        Back to the point of the original post. One thing you should practice at the end of the day/week is to sit down and analyze what you did that day, write it down. Now go through that list and write down in another column what you could have done to automate those tasks and how you could have done it without being in front of a desk. If that's not possible, write down how you could have done it in half the time. It's amazing how much fat you can cut out of your work diet in retrospect.


        I've also had a few requests on here and in the real world to start a course and offer tools for other professionals in other cities. Who knows, maybe one day I'll get out of my own box and get something together. Then again I've fallen for a couple WSO's on here that peaked my interest and I can say I've had $6.50 bottles of wine that were better than the crap contained within. The wine also left a better taste in my mouth once I finished it.

        Anyways, Hope everyone has a profitable day.

        Nate
        You say reputation management is an easy sell, can you tell me if you do it by cold calling,emailing or direct mail? Also which niches are the best to go after?
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  • Profile picture of the author nate3445
    MSU - Yes, thanks for pointing that out. Don't get me wrong. I've put in my time slaving away in the depths of the salt mine before I bought the mine. It wasn't all rainbows and sunshine. I'm 30 and in my 20's while my friends were screwing around I was bettering myself and surrounding myself with like minded people that helped pick me up along the way. If I focused on the mistakes and not the successes I'd be a very miserable person and still chasing my own tail.

    To anyone messaging me or asking on the forum for my sites, I have to respectfully decline. I would expect you to do the same if I asked you for such. These are real clients with board members and many of whom have become friends, not some affiliate marketing site about how to name your cat. I hope that doesn't upset anyone and if it does than you're welcome to not partake in the conversation. There's always 1 idiot that could cause me a lot of trouble even if 100 of those people are asking with good intentions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Preeti
    LOVING your posts Nate, great, great content and just overall--so inspirational! You're becoming a must-read for me!
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjam1n
    Wow... my brain is going into overtime reading your posts.

    By the way, I didn't mean to offend you Nate in my earlier post about "not having a shred of evidence". It wasn't aimed personally at you, come to think of it, I don't really know why I said it!! It's just so easy for people to fall hook line and sinker for BS which takes them in completely the wrong direction.

    However, with the info you have provided here, I have no doubt that you are true to your word (for what its worth!!) and I am very grateful that you have took the time to share this information. It all sounds incredibly impressive!!

    BTW, I completely agree with you about ranking for your own services. In one of my businesses, I often get people trying to sell SEO over the phone and every time I ask them what keywords they rank for. I actually type it into google whilst they are on the phone and usually, they are nowhere near even the first two pages. As you've said, if you can't rank for your own business, how are you supposed to do it for anyone else!
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  • Profile picture of the author webdave
    Great info! I am looking into Reputation Management right now. Is it easy to find clients at the moment?
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    • Profile picture of the author nate3445
      Alright, alright. I wasn't going to give the farm away but you've all been fun to interact with and appreciative. I'll give this away with a challenge to you all. Add something to my formula to make it better. First a preface...

      When i first heard of reputation management I thought it was joke, another reason for another lousy WSO. I figured my clients would view it as a joke too. This was a few years ago mind you. Then I had a client call. "Nate, I got a nut job that's blasting every site out there saying my service techs installed a leaky gas valve". He was right, the guy was certifiable and it turns out he had a reputation for this nonsense. He even made an entire website dedicated to it with photos and everything. The fitting had nothing to do with any of the work my client performed and wasn't even on the same piece of equipment. I suggested legal counsel first and foremost which got the website removed by very convincing lawyers who charge very big retainers. Before we could get a handle on the situation he had blasted every site known and unknown to man. Yelp, Angie, Google places, Yahoo etc. Damage was done. (I just gave you your story pitch, your welcome )

      Now what?

      I researched the TOS on those sites, read forums, educated myself on how the sites work, made calls. Some allowed for us to respond to the complaint which is an art form in and of itself. (Never allow a client to respond. They get themselves in trouble that's why you charge the big bucks, let them review your script so they feel involved). True story - one of my clients had a leak in his bathroom and my client thought it'd be funny to suggest he was simply missing the toilet. It was fun cleaning that up (pardon the pun) Anyways, I received suggestions ranging from blasting other sites with links to bury the comments all the way to sending Google a DCMA take down notice (no need to comment on the stupidity of that) and even to hire a service with a proxie that could create accounts and fake reviews. I don't do ANY of that. I have too much respect for myself, my company and my clients to engage in ANY practice that could ever cause irreparable damage to their businesses.

      I figured my client was a bit screwed and we'd have to wait it out. He had a few other bad complaints as all companies do, it's natural and normal and actually good. I call them counter positive reviews ("good service but more expensive than I thought it would be" or "they took a few days to respond but I loved the work when it was finished"). This one really bad review pushed the average way down.

      I went home that day and had a cigar and unwounded my brain and it came to me. I got out of my own way (stupid brain) and I got back to basics. All of the greatest solutions you'll ever have will come from getting back to basics. That morning I designed a system in 5 minutes on one of my whiteboards (they cover my office, my client's think I'm a wizard of some sort I think) that would end up being the most simplistic, most powerful, most profitable tool in my portfolio. My proactive reputation management system.

      I like my systems. Systems allow autopilot and automation. I once wrote a formula (or a system) on my whiteboard and came back late at night just to have a night cap, lean back in my chair and marvel at it's simplicity.

      Here it is. I warn you, it's simple and you may think I'm nuts or you may think I'm a genius but I like to teeter totter between the two. All I know is I can sell it to any company you put in front of my conference room table. I won't gunk this up with any more words than necessary.

      The system


      Step 1.
      Create an e-mail template branded for my client which has links to 4-5 client profiles on review sites. Think Angie's List, Google places, you know the dirty culprits.
      Step 2. Have your client dip into their system and pull email addresses for all the clients they've worked with the past month (think yearly servicing of a furnace).
      Step 3. Write a friendly message in the email from step 1 saying something to the effect of "Jim, your friends at company xyz really appreciated being able to serve you this month. In an effort to serve you better we'd love you to reply to this email with how we could have been better. Also, if you've enjoyed your experience with our company we'd love for you to let others know at any of the following sites. Let us know you've left a review and we'll send you a gift card to Dunkin Donuts so you can have a coffee on us the next time we're at your home."
      Step 4. Send the same e-mail out at the end of every month with the new list of customers using constant contact or some other service on the clients behalf. I craft it to make it look like it's coming from the CEO as it genuinely does and the CEO along with myself will get the responses. This produces the best results and makes people feel extra special.
      Step 5. Track results and report to client at the end of the next month with new reviews, good reviews, bad reviews. Clients pay survey companies HUGE $$ to get customer feedback and assess their performance. You just saved your client's some cash.
      Step 6. TEST TEST TEST. Test your message, better your message, make it perfect. Choose different gifts each month.

      That's it. Stupid simple. I've heard rumors going around that my competitors think I'm writing fake reviews somehow. My clients have 50 times more reviews on those sites than any of their competitors. We stayed in the TOS for the sites by not telling people to leave a good review, we just said leave a review and yes, I tell them they HAVE to send the bad ones gift cards too. The idea behind this system and another selling point for you is that out of 1000 customers that client had, 996 will be happy and 4 won't be. The 996 are at home eating cheese puffs in their lazy chairs watching dancing with the stars while the unhappy customers are pounding angrily away at their computers at all the review sites. By making it simple to leave a good review and offering incentive (everyone loves free stuff) you've just secured the online reputation of that company. The client is hooked on you and wouldn't dream of canceling this service EVER.

      Now think of the added benefits to what we just did. HUGE Google places ranking boost. Ranking (popularity) boosts within all the other review sites. Any future scathing or unwarranted reviews will be lost in a sea of reviews full of glowing customers and the naysayers will look bat sane crazy. We didn't cheat, we were just more innovative in our approach, we can sleep at night knowing we've done well by our client. This is what a real company does. Innovate. Not look for cheats or shortcuts.

      As a disclaimer, if anyone chooses to make a rip off WSO on here about this I'll hunt you down and publicly humiliate you in front of your friends, I'm thinking a wedgie would do.

      Another disclaimer -I have no idea if someone's presented this concept on here in the past, it came out of my head and I'd like to think I originated it but of course some may find this common knowledge and there are some very bright people on here so my apologies ahead of time.

      Charge whatever you want. Prices range from city to city. Pick a price, start high and come out at the price you choose. I wouldn't think anyone would want to charge any less than $1,400/mo minimum for this service. Forgot to mention, my monthly reports look they came out of Microsoft's first quarter fiscal earnings statement. They're beautiful and thorough which clients perceive as value rather than giving them a one page crappy word document with your pixelated logo at the top. It took me nearly a week to design the report but that work pays off now as it takes me 10 minutes per month to plug in the variables for that month. I have others tally up all reviews, graph it, graph increases, decreases, pick 5 for in in depth review, have consultants write scripts for those bad reviews for the clients to approve or wordsmith. Your client now has his finger on the pulse of how is ship is doing in cyberspace.

      I'm not going to tell you how to sell it. I can't. Everyone's different. Get out there and fall on your face a few times with it. It'll help you gain insight as everyone has a different approach. My approach can change 360 depending on the way I read a client within the first minute of meeting them. Here's a gem. I believe 200% in everything I sell a client, I know it will help them and they'll make a 400%+ return on their investment. Attain that and you can sell anything to anyone. If you don't believe in what you're selling or the services you're performing for a client, don't waste your time or the clients. I'm always the smartest guy in the room (in my field) and I'm one of the most confident but the key is I'm humble about it. When I hire a fine woodworker to build a cabinet I admire and respect his expertise just as the clients in my meetings admire mine.

      So that's it. That's the farm, the chickens and goat given away on my reputation management system. DO NOT gloat to your client about the simplicity or the process. They pay for innovation and that's what you deliver. Not a paint by numbers instructional manual they can steal. Information is power. Now, think of a way to improve the process...

      Nate
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      • Profile picture of the author nate3445
        This will be quick, I know most of my posts are long winded.

        Ben - no worries, you're a true gentleman for the apology and thank you. It wasn't needed, I think you have to be a skeptic around here and it's unfortunate it's that way. I read the same things on here that you do and understand.

        Pretti - First off, thanks for the wonderful and appreciative feedback. Even more so, thanks for your "excited" post in the forum and all the help you've given others. You're a true asset to the offline industry and giving us all a good name. It's obvious you truly "get it" and I'm sure you will take it further than you thought possible. I recommend the read to all.

        Marciano - for a hint on industries to go after, watch TV and listen to the radio. The companies that hog all the spots are the ones that care about their brand and have the spend in their budget to invest in your services. Also look at who's paying for adwords locally, they care and understand the value. Lastly, choose high margin companies. Some of my clients are HVAC, Fuel Delivery (home and business), Medical (huge field), Cosmetic Dentistry, Home Security, Jewelry Stores etc.

        Remember, what we're doing has been done for thousands of years, you just need to adapt the basic principles to new advancement in both society and technology. Steve Jobs understood that, so did Henry Ford and John D. Rockefeller.

        Have a great night,

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  • Profile picture of the author Benjam1n
    Wow.. again.

    I'm in two minds as to whether to launch wholeheartedly into offline marketing and posts like that are priceless. You could easily build a company around that one post, incredible.

    You have just tipped me over the egde. I am under no illusions that it has taken an awful lot of hard work, effort, rejections and disppointment to get to where you are now but when I am 30 like you, I want to look back and think "Damn, I'm glad I started when I did".

    The only slight problem I see if that many local companies in the UK do not yet appreciate the value of being online etc and all the extra business that our services can generate, but there are plenty that do. Having spent so much time learning about the various services I could offer (mobile marketing, direct mail, sms marketing, web building, reputation management, the list goes on and on....) I am now going to put this into action.

    I am going to start on my business plan tonight. However, the very first thing I am going to imlpement is that I am going to ban myself from visiting the forum, it is far to time consuming and too many people waste their time reading when they alread have enough info to go out there and start helping people (me included). Hopefully in a few years when I am succesful, I can come back and share some great info, that I have actually experienced for myself, such as you have done.

    Thank you Nate for giving me the nudge I needed. Maybe in a few years time, we'll be sitting on the same beach, both flicking through our phones looking at all the money we're helping our clients make!!
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      share an amazing, thanks for willing to share his tips, I consent bookmarks .. thank you, success for you
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    point 1 is interesting .
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  • Profile picture of the author TGforever
    Really great information. All of this is just soaking in while the ideas are flooding in! This thread really makes me want to look at my business and find ways I can better it and really make it worth while. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author InTh3Moment
    Hey Nate,

    Thanks for the amazing posts, what gems here. You've already given enough to take everything I'm trying to do to a whole new level and your generosity is awesome. I was wondering if there was any more to the system for charging $1400/month. I'm asking this out of a lack of experience, not in that I think it's not worth that much, I just really don't know.

    Another question that I had was what happens if the overall response rate from the client's customers is fairly minimal? How would I want to go about handling this if it were to happen? Any help or info you can contribute would be much appreciated. Thanks again for the awesome thread
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    • Profile picture of the author nate3445
      Thanks as always for the appreciative comments.

      Marcinao - the lead system on our website is really simple. Just 3-4 fields. I always believe in giving people incentive to give you information and I believe in keeping it simple. I see my competitors with 20 fields on their forms and all sorts of nonsense to make themselves look "smart". I'm a business man, my clients are business men. We're all busy and I don't care to fill out 20 fields when I want a service. This goes for myself and my clients - Lead forms are just for that - Leads. It's up to my clients (and myself on my own website) to close the lead once the phone call is made. On our company website I have a takeaway that is auto delivered to the potential leads inbox. i.e. on the "reputation management" page I have a report that is auto delivered to the potential client titled "5 ways your business image can suffer and how to prevent it from happening". This gives them a pdf in their inbox to print out and bring to a meeting (with our logo of course well branded on it) plus it gave the potential client a reason to give me their info so I can call and set up a meeting. The report looks like a ton of work is involved in the process and our pitch at the end is to hand us the keys and we'll take care of it all. There's a tremendous amount of psychology that goes into what we do to get the lead in for ourselves and our clients. I could probably write a book on this alone and it's an absolutely fascinating subject.

      Don't worry about people searching for reputation management. That's a term for us to use, not them. You could probably even find some bigger companies that have trouble keeping their customers happy and target them. If I were real desperate for business I would make a report and email it to a big client which lists the bad reviews and include our projections on how our service would allow their reputation to soar along with the literal and intrinsic value in doing so. Better yet, send it snail mail and make it beautiful, they won't be able to ignore it. He who puts the most effort in and shows the client you care the most about his/her business wins.

      InTh3Moment - I was hoping people would respond to my challenge and improve the "reputation management" system but no one has stepped up yet. Keep in mind I charge clients according to innovation. Most business owners are so engrossed in the intricacies of running their business and babysitting their employee's that their marketing efforts get lost or become status quo. I charge big bucks to innovate on my clients behalf and they appreciate that and are willing to pay me substantially for it. I also have exclusives with some clients so that they're assured their competitors can't use our services, and I charge primo for that privilege. (that's a great upsell)

      There are many ways you can add value to this service. For instance... Have the client print out "social" cards for their service techs with a sub url that reads "Visit reviews.companyxyz.com to let us know how we did and get a complimentary coffee for your next service". on the other side put the client's social media icons. Tell the client to have his techs hand them out to homeowners after they're finished at the customer's homes and provide a script for the client to give to service techs as a guide. Now when the customer goes to this URL it will have the same links as the email but it also will have a form on it where the customer can check the boxes off of each review site they left a review on and enter their address to send the gift card too. Now you can use that landing page to track customer interactions AND you just automated the review process for the client.

      Now step it up even more...

      Layout a program that will allow the client to incentivize the review system for the EMPLOYEES. Make it a game. Whichever tech gets the most customer reviews at the end of the month wins a gift card to a nice restaurant to take his family out for the night, or an overnight trip. Their employees will be falling over themselves to get the customers to leave good reviews for them. Who really wins at the end of the day? You do. The system makes you look great and you secured your client for life.

      If you're going into a pitch with the fear of future failure in the back of your mind then postpone the meeting and buy a white board and some markers and get to work improving your system. Figure out a bomb proof plan and understand there will be adjustments along the way. Most importantly, choose a larger company with lots of customers. Your plan won't work with a small company who services 10 customers per month.

      Please understand that I've been at this a while. I don't expect you to walk in and sell someone a $1400/mo reputation management service when they have no idea who you are. Start with a smaller company and get comfortable with it first. Go for quality over quantity so you can cultivate the client into a bigger spender down the road. Maybe you could even make your reputation management system tiered. A starter package at $, a mid size package at $$ and a domination package at $$$. That way you can upsell the customer after they see the ROI after a few months using one of the lower tiers. Tease, but don't give away too much info to a client you don't have a relationship with. Talk results rather than process so they don't steal your ideas until you have a good working relationship. My clients would never steal my ideas because they know I'd never work with them again and they'll miss out on all the future innovations my company comes up with.

      Hope you can pull something beneficial out of all that and thanks again for the appreciative comments, it's what makes me want to come back here and help out.

      Nate
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      • Profile picture of the author iInvent
        Originally Posted by nate3445 View Post


        Keep in mind I charge clients according to innovation. Most business owners are so engrossed in the intricacies of running their business and babysitting their employee's that their marketing efforts get lost or become status quo. I charge big bucks to innovate on my clients behalf and they appreciate that and are willing to pay me substantially for it. I also have exclusives with some clients so that they're assured their competitors can't use our services, and I charge primo for that privilege. (that's a great upsell)

        There are many ways you can add value to this service. For instance... Have the client print out "social" cards for their service techs with a sub url that reads "Visit reviews.companyxyz.com to let us know how we did and get a complimentary coffee for your next service". on the other side put the client's social media icons. Tell the client to have his techs hand them out to homeowners after they're finished at the customer's homes and provide a script for the client to give to service techs as a guide. Now when the customer goes to this URL it will have the same links as the email but it also will have a form on it where the customer can check the boxes off of each review site they left a review on and enter their address to send the gift card too. Now you can use that landing page to track customer interactions AND you just automated the review process for the client.

        Now step it up even more...

        Layout a program that will allow the client to incentivize the review system for the EMPLOYEES. Make it a game. Whichever tech gets the most customer reviews at the end of the month wins a gift card to a nice restaurant to take his family out for the night, or an overnight trip. Their employees will be falling over themselves to get the customers to leave good reviews for them. Who really wins at the end of the day? You do. The system makes you look great and you secured your client for life.

        If you're going into a pitch with the fear of future failure in the back of your mind then postpone the meeting and buy a white board and some markers and get to work improving your system. Figure out a bomb proof plan and understand there will be adjustments along the way. Most importantly, choose a larger company with lots of customers. Your plan won't work with a small company who services 10 customers per month.

        Please understand that I've been at this a while. I don't expect you to walk in and sell someone a $1400/mo reputation management service when they have no idea who you are. Start with a smaller company and get comfortable with it first. Go for quality over quantity so you can cultivate the client into a bigger spender down the road. Maybe you could even make your reputation management system tiered. A starter package at $, a mid size package at $$ and a domination package at $$$. That way you can upsell the customer after they see the ROI after a few months using one of the lower tiers. Tease, but don't give away too much info to a client you don't have a relationship with. Talk results rather than process so they don't steal your ideas until you have a good working relationship. My clients would never steal my ideas because they know I'd never work with them again and they'll miss out on all the future innovations my company comes up with.

        Hope you can pull something beneficial out of all that and thanks again for the appreciative comments, it's what makes me want to come back here and help out.

        Nate
        Ok, I'm totally new to this concept. So for $1400, what do you of for your client? Here's what I'm "getting":
        - you design the email
        - you provide some "training/coaching"
        - you send the emails monthly on their behalf (or they do that)
        - monthly reports on progress of reviews & rankings
        - implement employee recognition program (but they have to monitor I would think??)

        Do you also monitor the reviews and send them a list of who reviewed for the incentives/gift cards? Or do they do that?

        I guess I'm looking at $1400/month...and wonder... What do you actually do?!
        Am I missing something? I also get the "do not help my competitors" price point - that in itself would be enough to pay this much.

        Also - how long do these contracts last? A few months... until rankings are high?
        Do you then charge a lower fee to monitor on-going reviews?

        I appreciate all feedback!
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      • Profile picture of the author rugman
        Originally Posted by nate3445 View Post


        Now step it up even more...

        Layout a program that will allow the client to incentivize the review system for the EMPLOYEES. Make it a game. Whichever tech gets the most customer reviews at the end of the month wins a gift card to a nice restaurant to take his family out for the night, or an overnight trip. Their employees will be falling over themselves to get the customers to leave good reviews for them. Who really wins at the end of the day? You do. The system makes you look great and you secured your client for life.


        Nate
        What a great thread! I used the above method in my carpet cleaning biz (way before the big G took over) and he is 100% on the money. My guys went crazy getting positive comments - every month we had a big white board with a picture of a doghouse and the words "this months top dog" at the top. Whoever got the most positive comment cards filled out (yep they actually had to be mailed!) got their name on the top dog spot. I am not sure if we ever even gave them a bonus!
        The one thing about rep management that I don't get - i was on a webinar about car dealerships the other day. Afterwords I took a look at all the dealers in my area. The ALL have lots of bad reviews! Seems to me like they don't care - they can't fix them or it doesn't make a difference because people still go there to buy and get there cars repaired!?
        Can't see how that could be fixed - same for restaurants. That is why I have stayed away from rep management so far.
        Seems to me that these types of businesses would be falling all over themselves to get this fixed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
      Originally Posted by InTh3Moment View Post

      Hey Nate,

      Thanks for the amazing posts, what gems here. You've already given enough to take everything I'm trying to do to a whole new level and your generosity is awesome. I was wondering if there was any more to the system for charging $1400/month. I'm asking this out of a lack of experience, not in that I think it's not worth that much, I just really don't know.

      Another question that I had was what happens if the overall response rate from the client's customers is fairly minimal? How would I want to go about handling this if it were to happen? Any help or info you can contribute would be much appreciated. Thanks again for the awesome thread
      Always use value based pricing. Charge non by how much it costs to produce, but by the value it creates. Any other strategy and you're shooting yourself, and the industry in the foot. Think of the value of information and the time, energy, and money it took to acquire it. That's why you're a consultant, not a widget producer, where you use use cost plus pricing.
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  • Profile picture of the author drees5761
    Great tips. I find e-mail a pain as most just dont get read no matter how catchy the headline etc.
    Cold calling is an art, you have to come across as not being pushy but selling benefits the client may get. It gets easier with time and practice.
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  • Profile picture of the author twilight101
    will this help for yelp reviews?
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  • Profile picture of the author reshmita
    Thanks for sharing... effort appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amsterdam81
    great infos! cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author mayankgangwal
    What i can say about this post is just awesomeee.......
    The first think i m going to do is for clients who sucks my time
    "My time is not for wasting. My time is as important as I M"
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  • Profile picture of the author wb_man
    Hi Nate,

    Regarding your "advertising firms" method to get clients, do they want references when you contact them? Is it as simple as contacting them and telling them that it's better to subcontract the work to you rather than hire an employee?

    What services do you offer to them? What kind of contracts do you sign with them? What is your success rate when contacting advertising firms (how many agree to work with you)?
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    • Profile picture of the author aaallday2010
      Originally Posted by wb_man View Post

      Hi Nate,

      Regarding your "advertising firms" method to get clients, do they want references when you contact them? Is it as simple as contacting them and telling them that it's better to subcontract the work to you rather than hire an employee?

      What services do you offer to them? What kind of contracts do you sign with them? What is your success rate when contacting advertising firms (how many agree to work with you)?
      What else do you want to know Your Highness? Nate shall deliver it to you on a gold platter.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrcghill
    Thank You! for the great post Nate. In regards to Tip #5. How would one go about trying to find a advertising firm? How did you approach them and what were the steps you used to close the deal and make the agreement? What did you include in the first contact email? This would be a great WSO!
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  • Profile picture of the author Angle Warrior
    Thanks for the tips
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  • Profile picture of the author minisite
    These are excellent tips and it seems that you got a great system that really work for you. How long did it take you to establish your entire offline business into autopilot?
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Nate,

      Your idea for rep mgt certainly is well organized and to the point. BTW, I know some people in my city who joined a class action suit against yelp. How successful they will be is anybody's guess. But the SF lawyer is probably charging big $$$ to bring the suit.

      Regardless, your program overwhelms the review site's system w/positive reviews which is a good thing for the client. I really don't think you can improve on that system given the way the review sites have their system structured. At least what I read as I surf the review sites.

      But, as you point out, bury them w/positive reviews should do the trick. Several of our local biz people have told me yelp has purposely not posted the good to great reviews because they wouldn't advertise with them. I don't know if this is true or not but why would the biz people say that if it wasn't.

      I only mention this one review site because it is the one the biz folks told me. Have you heard anything similar?

      We are working w/a restaurant and will try your suggestion. If it works, bingo!, we will have living proof it can be done.

      Have a great day and don't drink too much. I"m told the stuff makes a guy drunk

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  • Profile picture of the author midrockdigital
    Very insightful and informative. Makes you think about how you could be doing things differentlyinstead of just sticking to the same old ways.
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  • Profile picture of the author ohhugo
    Nate,

    your reputation management system is awesome. I am in no way in the business (yet) but I thought I would take a shot at trying to improve it since you asked for it.

    I don't know, you might already be doing it but it is worth mentioning that Google offers an "Alert" service that will send you an email each time it finds something new on the topic you pre-define during its bot crawling.

    For example you ask it to alert you each time it finds the words "Joe Plumber Atlanta" it will send you an email with the links.
    This can be very useful as the internet is huge and you might not be able to find that hateful website that is buried on the 26th page of Google. The faster you find it, the better though.

    The link is goog le.com / alerts
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  • Profile picture of the author rainbow202
    I set up a review site but my client has problem with yelp. His reviews keep on getting filtered. Does anyone know a way so this doesn't happem?
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  • Profile picture of the author zahavi
    Thanks, nate.

    Just to say that I really appreciate what you have shared here.

    As always there is no substitute for real life experience!
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  • Profile picture of the author moodykitty
    Holy Cow Nate!! THANK YOU
    I'm taking this information and using it right now.
    I have a new client, just emailed him and said "This is IMPORTANT - Your business needs reviews to get you ranking better in the search engines. I can help with this, let me know if you're interested. "
    so he replies back and says "I am very intrested to get reviews. How much $ for how many review."
    I replied and asked him if he has past customer emails. Waiting to hear back. In his business repeat customers and referrals are very important.
    Ok. so how much do I tell him? I don't want to tell him exactly what I'm doing or he'll just go and do it himself (or try).
    FYI He's the kind that says he knows a lot about seo, he thinks it's all about getting as many backlinks as he can...
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  • Profile picture of the author ooMARSoo
    Wow!! So I take some time off Warrior Forum and come back to THIS! This was a true gift of information here, and I sincerely appreciate it.

    Sir, my name is Robert Hughey, and I just really wanted to introduce myself to you and tell you a sincere "Thank YOU so much!" I work and play hard and fast online and in my home city, but I can't begin to express my sincere thanks. You answered a couple of HUGE gaps in my experience, and I'm going to go reap the benefits of having a better understanding now. Thanks again!

    -Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author Mickinzie
    all the tips are awesome but tip#4 is awesome (Don't be a cheapskate, invest in some tools)
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  • Profile picture of the author Mickinzie
    all tips are good but tip#4 is awesome (Don't be a cheapskate, invest in some tools)
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  • Profile picture of the author Tracy411
    Hi Nate,

    I can only scratch the surface of gratitude by thanking you for the information-packed post you've written here. I find it inspirational as well as informational. The fact that I can tell that it is coming from the mouth...well, fingers...of someone who has years of practical experience adds a layer of 'wow.' If you ever put out a report or product that delves into more depth on what you've been discussing here, please let me know. I consider myself a lifelong learner and am always open to learning from others who have had success. Heck, if you have posted other threads here as meaty as this one, please post a link here to it. I'd love to read it

    All the best to you for continued, success, wealth & happiness,

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    nate3445

    Very good tips, and... Love your client attitude!!!
    Start your business like you want it, ground rules. Train your clients
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