Proof that it works!!!

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Do Directory Sites Work? Yes.

Does starting a mailing list work? Yes

Does cold calling Work? Yes

Does Direct mail work? Yes

Does Emailing work? Yes

Does article marketing work? Yes

Does Affiliate marketing work? Yes

Does CPA Work? Yes.

Do Don Lapre's Classified Ads Work, regardless of what you think of him? Yes

Are you going to find pools of angry resentful people who love to slam every one of these concepts and say they are a scam, unworkable, unreasonable, unrealistic?

Yes. (If thats what you are looking for).

Are any of those people qualified to tell you how to succeed in any of those endeavors?

No. They are only qualified to drone on about how something doesnt work.

Ask someone who has some successful experience...they can tell you how to have a successful experience with a given idea... dont hang around with resentful people who want to blame everything but themselves for their failures, even when talking about proven concepts that clearly are working all around them for everyone to see.

In call centers we have those guys too, they are called "whiners".

They will complain that the pitch doesnt work, while a dozen people around them are slamming sales left and right with it.

They will complain that the leads arent good, while dozens of people around them are slamming sales with the same leads...

And on breaks, they will hang out together and talk about how the supervisor is stupid, the leads suck, the company is going to go under, and how bad the customers are...

They are pissed because THEY dont succeed (Go figure), and trust me they LOOOVE to talk about it and confirm to each other that they are okay, it was just the idea that was a scam. It was a flawed concept... it wasnt anything they did wrong. It wasnt their attitude... or lack of personal development.

All the while there is a whole group of people in the same call center breaking records and making commissions all around them... but its the "concept", not "them" that is failing right?

Oh yeah, and they REALLY welcome anyone who agrees and who wants to B%$& and moan with them, and even further confirm that its the company's fault, or the concepts flaw, or the guru's fault....not theirs. You want to be in a club? They will glady welcome you!

If you are struggling they will even come whisper in your ear, and try to RECRUIT you! lol Not for your own good, but for THEIRS, because every new person who joins the club further justifies their failure.

Thats an aweful easy club to join. The bar for entry is set pretty low, all you have to be is resentful, and everyone in it will validate you and welcome you.

When you are failing though, in my own experience, its more empowering to own up and find out what you can do to turn it around! Club "Positive Self Improvement" doesnt have such a low bar for entry... but its a more prestigious club to be a part of, and you are prouder of yourself for getting into it.

Look for solutions, not people to help you justify failures. Trust me they are all around, its called the "80%".

In short;

Most of the ideas you see on WF do work, but you will ALWAYS find places where people love to pool together and point fingers at every one of them and call them unworkable, only because they themselves dont have any successful experience with it.

Even MLM works.

You want to know how something works, ask someone who made it work, not someone who didnt. They are everywhere, resenting everything.... anything to keep them from acknowledging their own poor performance.

Stay far away from those groups. They wont help you become anything but more resentful and jaded.

End of rant.
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  • Profile picture of the author CudaFish
    Dang, Warrior Forum won't let me like this post twice.

    But seriously John, you are so right. This forum over the last few years has become so full of people that just wan't to say that nothing works because it doesn't work for them.

    People say cold calling doesn't work all day long, except I've built multiple businesses and done more sales than I ever thought I would or COULD cold calling..

    People need to stop worrying about what people say might not work and just take ideas and strategies for what they are. Ideas and strategies. Then they just need to create a strategy for themselves, tailored to their needs, talents, abilities, and circumstances.

    Once they have something that works, they tailor and refine it some more, and keep trucking!

    Simple as that.

    Great post, John.

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  • Profile picture of the author bluecoyotemedia
    John

    this is a great post my man.. and I always read what you say. I would agree 100%

    except!!!


    there have been alot of posts from people that posts specific strategies or concepts by either reading about them or just regurgitating this posing off as something they personally have experience in.


    why???

    who knows maybe bringing up thier post count.. thier online cred so they can appear to be an expert.. etc


    maybe its my years of doing business and sales that I have this bullshit antenna that starts going off when i come across this type of thing

    I am sure you have the same type of antenna lol

    I am finding this more and more plus more wso's that are more garbage than anything else.

    anyway..

    as always

    you da man

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Much love Eddie, Much love... It was more of a rant, but I hope it does help some people.

    Ps. I totally get what you are saying, and that does happen alot. I call them out too.

    But saying for instance "Article Marketing is a scam , it doesnt work". Is a generalization that just out of this world crazy...

    I do agree about perpetrators though.

    I guess it was motivated by my reading this morning the newsflash that "directory sites dont work!"

    What a load of hog wash.
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  • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
    Here's something I just learned about moments ago. I work at a local tv station, and they are having a huge sales meeting right now. They are going to be selling ad space on a new local directory. They will be promoting it on television and selling everything from banner and widget ads to premium listings. They are even looking at selling direct mail branded under the same name as the directory. This is a station that does millions in air time and commercials. Why? Because there is money in it. And they know if they can get them in their sales funnel to buy a small online ad, they can eventually sell them more services including airtime. They wouldn't be wasting their time if it wasn't something in it.

    I did a quick local search. Almost every media outlet in the area has a coupon/business directory component. All the TV stations, radio stations, and newspapers. Why? Additional revenue + building their sales funnel.

    The thing is, they can afford to advertise for free in their broadcasts/papers to get the word out about it. And to me, that is the key between the local offliners and the local media outlets. They already know that the more the reach people, the more people will that will visit their sites and the more they can charge for ad space. Local offline guys really don't seem to understand that IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by swilliams09 View Post


      The thing is, they can afford to advertise for free in their broadcasts/papers to get the word out about it. And to me, that is the key between the local offliners and the local media outlets...
      Even so, there are a hundred ways for anyone here to get their offer in front of people. Cold calling is just one.
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      • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Even so, there are a hundred ways for anyone here to get their offer in front of people. Cold calling is just one.
        Nobody is disagreeing with you there. I'm just looking at the natural resource they have built in.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by swilliams09 View Post

          Nobody is disagreeing with you there. I'm just looking at the natural resource they have built in.

          I didnt think you were disagreeing. Just adding a point.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Thanks John, for another shot of adrenalin.

      I've had lots of salespeople (that worked for me) say "That doesn't work".

      Here is an immutable law of physics;
      If only one person has made it work..ever..it works.

      So the question now is "Since we now know that this idea works, what are we doing that prevents it working for us?"

      That question is never welcome. But it's the right question.

      And about Don Lapre's deal, and ad space as a leader? They are all prospecting tools. If someone buys my book, they are now a prospect for a course, manual, DVD set, seminar...or whatever they buy next.

      The Infomercial "Get rich now" pitches for a $39.95 course? Do you know how much it costs to sell that $39.95 set of books? Maybe $200 or $300.

      Because now you have someone who has proven an interest in what you sell, and has proven that they are willing to send you money. They are now buyers of everything else. The real money is in the second, third, or fourth sale..and beyond. That's how fortunes are made.

      You think the ProActiv guys make money from you buying a $4.95 tube? No. They are killing it by getting you in their funnel, and from you buying every month...until you die, or your skin clears up..whichever happens first.

      Good stuff John.
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      • Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The Infomercial "Get rich now" pitches for a $39.95 course? Do you know how much it costs to sell that $39.95 set of books? Maybe $200 or $300.

        Because now you have someone who has proven an interest in what you sell, and has proven that they are willing to send you money. They are now buyers of everything else. The real money is in the second, third, or fourth sale..and beyond. That's how fortunes are made.

        You think the ProActiv guys make money from you buying a $4.95 tube? No. They are killing it by getting you in their funnel, and from you buying every month...until you die, or your skin clears up..whichever happens first.
        THIS ^^^^^^^^!!!!

        Is precisely why businesses can get a page in one of my directory sites for as low as $250 per year.

        It's an easier sell and they become a proven customer.

        Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

        Coincidentally, among the first 10 businesses (many more than that now) that signed up for my first directory site, one became a $5,000 per year client for ongoing services related to their website.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterme
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    Do Don Lapre's Classified Ads Work, regardless of what you think of him?
    You know he committed suicide in 2011. It was in all the papers.
    Granted, in tiny classified ads, but in all the papers.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluecoyotemedia
      Originally Posted by misterme View Post

      You know he committed suicide in 2011. It was in all the papers.
      Granted, in tiny classified ads, but in all the papers.

      misterme


      that was a very sad case of GOVERMENT assisted suicide

      just like the recent case of arron founder of digg

      he would have been better off selling WSO's as he would have stayed under the radar better.

      it's just when you use a medium like TV your putting yourself out there as a easy target for all federal agency's.

      I have a friend who I went to high school with . he works for the FTC and the story's that he has told me of the conversation these guys have around the campfire so to speak

      looking for the next easy make money TV pitchman.. to hang by his BALLS!!!!

      they all laugh at this and think it's a blast...

      since goverment prints the funny money they can spend it all they want and this leaves all the financial weight of protecting yourself.. on you.

      if you think this does not happen.. read

      7 Steps to Freedom II: How to Escape the American...7 Steps to Freedom II: How to Escape the American...
      makes me sick to my stomach
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      • Profile picture of the author Sys4
        If you meant Aaron Swartz, he co-developed Reddit and RSS.

        His case is the definition of prosecutorial abuse and hints at something bigger in play. I'm surprised nothing more has come out about this travesty of justice, but won't be if something does in the future.

        BTW... Kevin Rose is still very much alive and is a partner at Google. (Founder of Digg)


        Originally Posted by bluecoyotemedia View Post

        misterme


        that was a very sad case of GOVERMENT assisted suicide

        just like the recent case of arron founder of digg

        he would have been better off selling WSO's as he would have stayed under the radar better.

        it's just when you use a medium like TV your putting yourself out there as a easy target for all federal agency's.

        I have a friend who I went to high school with . he works for the FTC and the story's that he has told me of the conversation these guys have around the campfire so to speak

        looking for the next easy make money TV pitchman.. to hang by his BALLS!!!!

        they all laugh at this and think it's a blast...

        since goverment prints the funny money they can spend it all they want and this leaves all the financial weight of protecting yourself.. on you.

        if you think this does not happen.. read

        7 Steps to Freedom II: How to Escape the American Rat Race: Benjamin D Suarez: 9781884889011: Amazon.com: Books

        makes me sick to my stomach
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    • Profile picture of the author Sys4
      From Wikipedia:

      Lapre was criticized as selling questionable business plans that often did not work for his clients. In June 2011, Lapre was charged with 41 counts of conspiracy, mail fraud, wire fraud, and promotional money laundering related to his Internet businesses. He was arrested on June 24, 2011, for failing to appear in court to face these charges.[2] On October 2, 2011, Lapre died of an apparent suicide while awaiting trial in federal custody.[1]
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Sys4 View Post

        From Wikipedia:

        Lapre was criticized as selling questionable business plans that often did not work for his clients.
        So Lapre , who sold a perfectly workable system, was jailed because of the 80/20 rule. The people (80%) who didnt go the distance with his perfectly workable plan screamed SCAM... No good deed goes unpunished.

        For whats its worth I bought it, tried it , and it worked.

        Swartz at least admitted to hacking... however noble the reasons. Lapre was just selling workable systems and the people who didnt work the system labeled him a scam. What a shame. I thought he was brilliant...and Im sure someone will spin that and say "You would", but ....whatever.
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        • Profile picture of the author max5ty
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          So Lapre , who sold a perfectly workable system, was jailed because of the 80/20 rule. The people (80%) who didnt go the distance with his perfectly workable plan screamed SCAM... No good deed goes unpunished.

          For whats its worth I bought it, tried it , and it worked.

          Swartz at least admitted to hacking... however noble the reasons. Lapre was just selling workable systems and the people who didnt work the system labeled him a scam. What a shame. I thought he was brilliant...and Im sure someone will spin that and say "You would", but ....whatever.
          I met Don Lapre on a couple occasions, he had many good ideas, a couple of which were never fully developed. He also had a few ideas that bombed...but who doesn't in business.

          What a lot of people don't know is he sold his "Tiny Classified Ad Course" to another company which continued to promote it through infomercials, etc. They were still using his name to sell even though he no longer had anything to do with it. A lot of people that bought the course thought they were buying from him when they actually weren't. The company that took it over pretty much ended up running it into the ground with their repeated high pressure back-end sales attempts.

          He was actually indicted on 40 some charges for his "Greatest Vitamin In The World" business.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sys4
          Your point stands on it's own. It's easier, and human nature, for people to blame others for their failure/s.

          Regardless of what anyone believes about Don Lapre, with his death, he was forever innocent of the charges for which he was arrested. And, as you've pointed out, his program worked for those that worked the program.

          My wife is working in a field that is completely different from the degree she earned in college. So following the logic of the twelve citizens that indicted Lapre, my wife should be able to say her education doesn't work, she was scammed, and the board of curators are perpetrating a fraud on the public.

          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          So Lapre , who sold a perfectly workable system, was jailed because of the 80/20 rule. The people (80%) who didnt go the distance with his perfectly workable plan screamed SCAM... No good deed goes unpunished.

          For whats its worth I bought it, tried it , and it worked.

          Swartz at least admitted to hacking... however noble the reasons. Lapre was just selling workable systems and the people who didnt work the system labeled him a scam. What a shame. I thought he was brilliant...and Im sure someone will spin that and say "You would", but ....whatever.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by misterme View Post

      You know he committed suicide in 2011. It was in all the papers.
      Granted, in tiny classified ads, but in all the papers.
      I'm sorry everyone. I feel guilty for laughing, but that was funny!

      Yeah, nearly every infomercial guy has had trouble with Uncle Sam.
      They make claims, losers buy their products and don't get rich overnight...so it's fraud...what else could it be?

      I know Lapre killed himself, and how he did it...But if you get rich quickly, and yell about it from the rooftops, you are a target.

      And government workers don't like successful rich business people. Business people are evil. Success is evil and must be punished.

      And to justify their existence, there has to be bad guys, and they have to go down... So I'm always kind, polite, and humble around stupid people, vicious people, and government workers.

      When I got my last drivers licence renewed, the lady working there saw my address and said "It must be nice", like, by having a really nice home... I was doing something wrong.

      I had to get my license renewed, and she was the one doing it...so I said "I've been very lucky. But most people are barely making ends meet"

      But that's not what I was thinking....

      If she worked for me...and if she ever said that to a customer, I would have fired her on the spot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
      @ misterme so he committed suicide....So whats the point?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I would like to take this moment to honor the memory of Don Lapre - "You inspired the heck out of me Don. Thanks."

    On another note, I wonder why the government didnt just "bail him out" of his mistakes.
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  • Profile picture of the author gmil88
    Couldn't agree with you more John, great post. BTW, I sent you a PM the yesterday, was wondering if you saw it?

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrian Browning
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    LOL, interesting

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  • Profile picture of the author yixar
    Great post!! And so true.
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    • Profile picture of the author taranisman
      I just wanted to say one thing about cold-calling. It does work. The more you do it, the easier it gets. If you don't ever try, you can never know if it would work or not. Just start making some calls. The worst thing that can happen is that the business owner will say they aren't interested. Fine. Next call. Just do it. If it was really that easy to do themselves (whatever service you are offering) would anyone pay you for it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Murry
        Originally Posted by taranisman View Post

        I just wanted to say one thing about cold-calling. It does work. The more you do it, the easier it gets. If you don't ever try, you can never know if it would work or not. Just start making some calls. The worst thing that can happen is that the business owner will say they aren't interested. Fine. Next call. Just do it. If it was really that easy to do themselves (whatever service you are offering) would anyone pay you for it?
        I have to disagree with "The more you do it, the easier it gets." I tried cold calling for 5 months a few years ago, and each day it was worse. My failures compounded and in the end I was doing things to myself that no one should ever do. The worst thing that can happen is never forgiving yourself for your mistakes - and actually taking to heart the people on the other end of the phone who insult you. For some people I imagine this is less of an issue.
        But I will never complain that something "doesn't work" or "it didn't work for me so it's a scam". I believe cold calling can be very effective and agree that its always good to try. Might not be for everyone though.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    I had one copywriting client who was a consultant who went from 0 around
    $1 million gross profit in around a year.

    Around 4 months in he had a conversation with me where he said "you know
    I've paid around $60,000 total to guys like you and so far I haven't made a
    cent!"

    That's as close as he ever got to complaining.

    What was really cool about this guy was that it was obvious he wasn't
    messing around.

    He hired the best advice and help he could find.

    He took massive intelligent action constantly.

    And when he hit on something that worked he rode it hard until
    he was making an income most people will only dream about.


    There's more than enough information available free on the
    warrior forum for anyone to start making good money.

    When I started out I had no money to invest in anything
    so success obviously doesn't depend on buying the latest
    WSO or $1,000 training course.

    But it does depend on taking some serious action and
    continuing to take action intelligently thinking through
    what's working for you and what isn't until you start
    seeing results.

    And then massively increase doing the things that work
    for you until you see massive results.


    The people who aren't making money usually haven't done
    enough of what works for them or they haven't done it
    long enough to see results.

    The solution: start taking serious action now and stop
    playing with this.

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author kieljo
    Geez John, you inspired me to dust off Don's course and give it another go. I've been saying it for years that Don was brilliant and he really was the guy to get me excited about starting a home based business which eventually grew into the internet. Thanks for the great post!

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  • Profile picture of the author misterme
    Closely related to the "I tried that, it doesn't work" school is the "Whatever works best for you." Hey, if it works great, it doesn't matter if it's for you or someone else. What "works best for you" actually means is that something fits someone's comfort zone or unwillingness to do something or to do it correctly. It's more about the human factor than it is the actual merit of that something.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by misterme View Post

      Closely related to the "I tried that, it doesn't work" school is the "Whatever works best for you." Hey, if it works great, it doesn't matter if it's for you or someone else. What "works best for you" actually means is that something fits someone's comfort zone or unwillingness to do something or to do it correctly. It's more about the human factor than it is the actual merit of that something.
      What's even worse than that (We are now in the "What's worse than that" olympics) are people saying "Well, we have to do something" or "Something's better than nothing".

      I get the first one when I'm selling, and it is said to justify them buying. But it's hard for me to not say "That's why you are buying? Think! Why do you want this? It's a lot of money"

      But I don't, because stupid people have rights too.

      Yeah, "Whatever works for you" means (to me, anyway) This is the exact level of expertise I'm willing to grow to...and not a step further.
      And then that is what works for you.

      I sound like an elitist jerk. I was hoping to keep it a secret just a little longer.

      One more try at proving I'm an elitist jerk...

      "I'm just a perfectionist" can really be true. There are actually people that are suffering from a disorder that compels them to keep tinkering with things...never satisfied. But that is way way less than 1% of "Perfectionists".

      Literally every time someone told me that they were a perfectionist, it's because they hadn't done what they promised to deliver, or they are too lazy to keep their word.

      But if you say "I'm a perfectionist" it turns sloth into a virtue.

      And....Misterme...Don't...Don't post "I am a perfectionist"!

      I am on to your tricky tricks :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author elmo033057
    All of the online universities are scams. (Kapella, U of Phoenix, etc.) I saw on Frontline on PBS that these schools get you in by getting you government loans to go to school. The tuition to these school is highly inflated ($200,000 for a nursing degree and your transcripts will not transfer to normal universities). They literally admitted that they created many of their courses in a weekend in a hotel room. People taking their nursing degrees only got to see the inside of a hospital once (In order to become a nurse, you have to actually do a couple of semesters in the hospital.)

    The really bad part of that scam is that once you graduate and can't get a job, like a lot of the people that were profiled in the documentary, the government can really come after you. The government can take money right out of your paycheck from any job that you get, by way of your social security number. (666) So these people were becoming homeless and unable to eat. But these universities who are making tons of $$$ were able to buy out politicians and get away with it. There is no justice in the world, unless you can make the REALLY BIG MONEY.

    As for Mr. Don Lapree, I thought he wreaked of P.T. Barnum, but if people bought his stuff and couldn't smell the snake oil, then tough titty for them. Send it back and then get your money back. Don't go crying to big - momma - government, and send someone to jail because they sold you a Pet Rock and it just sat there.

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