Lead Generation using PPC

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I am thinking about using PPC to test niches for Lead Gen.

Does anyone know if you can set up a campaign without a website just a phone number or is this frowned upon by big G?

If not can you set up a PPC with just a simple lead gen landing page?

I seem to recall that you get penaised and have to pay a higher cost per click is this correct?
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  • Profile picture of the author kebertt
    Originally Posted by AussieT View Post

    I am thinking about using PPC to test niches for Lead Gen.

    Does anyone know if you can set up a campaign without a website just a phone number or is this frowned upon by big G?

    If not can you set up a PPC with just a simple lead gen landing page?

    I seem to recall that you get penaised and have to pay a higher cost per click is this correct?
    If you're looking to get the best conversions, your best bet is to create a full-website with a clear call to action and contact form. Portfolio, services page, contact page, etc. I wouldn't touch PPC without a website...
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinfischman
    Yes the PPC costs more if you do it that way
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  • Profile picture of the author socialbacklink
    Yes that is correct that you will not only get hit with higher cost per click. But, you will also get suspended as well. You need to have an actual website with a contact page, about us, privacy policy, terms and conditions, etc. Thin sites don't last long. Also, the more good solid content you have the better for your quality score (and by extension cpc or cost per click). Hope that helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author kellyyarnsbro
      Originally Posted by socialbacklink View Post

      Yes that is correct that you will not only get hit with higher cost per click. But, you will also get suspended as well. You need to have an actual website with a contact page, about us, privacy policy, terms and conditions, etc. Thin sites don't last long. Also, the more good solid content you have the better for your quality score (and by extension cpc or cost per click). Hope that helps.
      So nice to learn from this one, this really is a great help, had to ask question about this also if this is feasible, thanks for some clarification.
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  • Profile picture of the author donza
    Hi,

    I've discovered huge PPC companies can systematically get away with having some pretty shady landing pages.

    The way I found out is recently I clicked on a couple off PPC ads for different local tradesman, in my city, and ended up on a site in a entirely different country. The landing pages just had large graphics of the front pages of the real local businesses.

    After a bit of digging around I found the company, behind the site, is one of the biggest PPC firms in the world. I guess they must be testing the local market out.

    I've lost a little bit of respect for Google over this. If a little guy was running such obvious testing pages they'd get their hand smacked for sure as the ads are effectively saying something like, "Welcome to Canada, home of one of New York's best plumbers"

    Cheers Don
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  • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
    PPC doesn't have to be expensive at all, look into retargeting or remarketing
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  • Profile picture of the author btyiw
    You guys don't run into high costs associated with running PPC traffic to your lead gen sites? Some of these niches are running $20-30 per click and who knows whether or not that click will convert. How do you go by selling a lead for $30 if you're basically risking a click for that same cost?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
      Originally Posted by btyiw View Post

      You guys don't run into high costs associated with running PPC traffic to your lead gen sites? Some of these niches are running $20-30 per click and who knows whether or not that click will convert. How do you go by selling a lead for $30 if you're basically risking a click for that same cost?
      Well you don't because a $30 lead which you've have spent to acquire is probably going to be worth $3,000 the the lead buys, so now your lead is worth at least $100+
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      • Profile picture of the author kebertt
        I remember recently hearing that Youtube PPC was insanely low compared to Adwords, but I don't expect it to last very long. Would be something to look into if you can target broader markets and are trying to save.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
          Been exploring the keyword too for YouTube. The product is really primitive because they don't have enough data for 90% + of the keyword search terms.

          It's funny because they have been trying to make this "mom and pop" friendly. But I am not so sure folks go on YouTube and search "dentist" or "house cleaning."

          It's a top of mind marketers dream though.
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          • Profile picture of the author kebertt
            Originally Posted by TheBigBee View Post

            Been exploring the keyword too for YouTube. The product is really primitive because they don't have enough data for 90% + of the keyword search terms.

            It's funny because they have been trying to make this "mom and pop" friendly. But I am not so sure folks go on YouTube and search "dentist" or "house cleaning."

            It's a top of mind marketers dream though.
            That's the big problem - broad searches it's a viable solution, but the traffic just isn't there for targeted searches.
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            • Profile picture of the author joetroyer
              We do a lot of ppc so just a few tips for you:

              You definitely NEED a website - minimum 5 pages all interlinked. Make sure your linking to a privacy policy if using PPC.

              Make sure you have a STRONG call to action above the fold, and you give the user some USP's.. IE: why should they call you over everyone else.Personally I go through the newspapers etc to find my offers to advertise.

              For example: For dentists 90%+ of people call a dentist when they have a problem and are in pain.. Right?

              So the best offer would be Free exam & xray. (this isnt theory we've tested in)
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  • Profile picture of the author pingsters
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    What yo want to promote through PPC . All depends on your site, content and what you are promoting. And CPC etc
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  • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
    I am not sure how much lead gen you are doing right now but PPC is a good way to test the waters after you have established your business a bit. If you are not established, it is actually easier to find potential clients that are in a proven niche and that are interested in the service, then build some lead gen properties. Once you have a bit of a customer base, then you can build out a few testing domains in different niches that you can add quality landing pages to in order to full test out PPC for lead gen. Also, if you want quality results, you have to start off with a quality testing platform. So just throwing up a page with a phone number that goes to voice mail is not a true test of the niche, market or anything...

    As for PPC for lead gen to make money, there are a few things to consider. One is that fact that many niches are $25+ per click....but there is no way that the companies are getting 100% conversion on those click. This means they they are actually paying 10 times that to actually acquire 1 solid lead, that is if they are converting at 10% for visitor flow. So if you are a solid PPC advertiser, you can easily ramp up conversions to your own properties, drive the PPC cost down for your campaigns and make a profit from sending PPC to a landing page to turn into calling leads.

    Also, there are MANY MANY keyword phrases out their that are not targeted well or even at all in many different niches where the main keyword PPC is $20-$65....you can easily get some $5-$10 clicks that drive targeted traffic for a lead...just gotta think outside the box.

    In terms of Youtube PPC, that is a bit of a different ball game. You have to think laterally instead of vertically when picking keywords. So if you have a pile of dentist videos that you want to promote for lead gen, then you want to go into the pain, suffering, good looking smile, dating, business appearance, etc etc market in order to get your ads infront of viewers that will click in a great dentist deal/business because they are suffering, need to look better or feel better about themselves. The Youtube ppc is a large topic that is not easy to wrap ones head around quickly...
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  • Profile picture of the author deu12000
    Originally Posted by AussieT View Post

    I am thinking about using PPC to test niches for Lead Gen.

    Does anyone know if you can set up a campaign without a website just a phone number or is this frowned upon by big G?

    If not can you set up a PPC with just a simple lead gen landing page?

    I seem to recall that you get penaised and have to pay a higher cost per click is this correct?
    I have done this. The way I set it up is I create a generic home page. So for example my main domain could be BusinessReviewDirectory.com. Then on the inner pages which aren't navigable from any other pages I put up a landing page with my keywords, some description text and business information. This page is the one I put in Adwords.

    I have disclaimers and policies pages, etc... Basically these are linked to from every page since they are part of the lower navigation bar.

    As long as the keywords I pick are relevant I can get high quality scores (10 on some keywords, a lot of keywords lower but still a respectable score).

    Then I just set everything up as a click to call so people never actually visit my pages or site. If a person were to visit my site they would see a landing page with relevant business information but I set it up in Adwords where I only pay if someone clicks on the phone number.

    I had success with this the early part of this year but I haven't done it in a good six months or so.
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    • Profile picture of the author AussieT
      Originally Posted by deu12000 View Post

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      Then I just set everything up as a click to call so people never actually visit my pages or site. If a person were to visit my site they would see a landing page with relevant business information but I set it up in Adwords where I only pay if someone clicks on the phone number.

      I had success with this the early part of this year but I haven't done it in a good six months or so.
      How does one set up click to call within adwords?
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      • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
        Originally Posted by AussieT View Post

        How does one set up click to call within adwords?
        Go to the Ad Extensions tab and create a call extension and when setting it up you will get an option that says "Show the following links" and two choices:
        • Both my website and the phone number
        • Just the phone number
        Choose just the phone number, then select Device preference Mobile.


        Now anyone who sees your ad on a mobile device can only call and wont be able to visit your site, you still need a site though
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        • Profile picture of the author mojo1
          Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

          Go to the Ad Extensions tab and create a call extension and when setting it up you will get an option that says "Show the following links" and two choices:
          • Both my website and the phone number
          • Just the phone number
          Choose just the phone number, then select Device preference Mobile.


          Now anyone who sees your ad on a mobile device can only call and wont be able to visit your site, you still need a site though
          Wow, I haven't delved into ppc but didn't know this. I can imagine this would cut down on adword expense quite a bit? Adwords has become so complexed but necessary to understand. Definitely not for the faint of heart or inexperienced.
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          • Profile picture of the author deu12000
            Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

            Go to the Ad Extensions tab and create a call extension and when setting it up you will get an option that says "Show the following links" and two choices:
            • Both my website and the phone number
            • Just the phone number
            Choose just the phone number, then select Device preference Mobile.


            Now anyone who sees your ad on a mobile device can only call and wont be able to visit your site, you still need a site though
            I haven't logged into any of my Adwords accounts or MYCC account but I also remember selecting tablets or 3G tablets or something like that since some of them have phone service nowadays.

            Originally Posted by mojo1 View Post

            Wow, I haven't delved into ppc but didn't know this. I can imagine this would cut down on adword expense quite a bit? Adwords has become so complexed but necessary to understand. Definitely not for the faint of heart or inexperienced.
            I wouldn't say it cuts down on expense because you still get a lot of calls where people just hang up or calls with stupid questions, but for offline businesses it's a more direct way of using Adwords instead of having them visit a site and maybe judging you based on the site.

            An example I have a client that does drug testing. The ads are all about paying to get drug tested. Wouldn't you know, several of the calls were people asking how long drugs would last in their body. I guess they see it as a free and easy way to get that answer although they weren't going to pay to get drug tested.

            Another example I have a client that buys cars. He was getting tons of phone calls asking if he sold different parts.

            Of course a portion of the calls were gold and of course results got better over time as I made keyword adjustments, etc...
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        • Profile picture of the author Voasi
          Originally Posted by ukcarl View Post

          Go to the Ad Extensions tab and create a call extension and when setting it up you will get an option that says "Show the following links" and two choices:
          • Both my website and the phone number
          • Just the phone number
          Choose just the phone number, then select Device preference Mobile.


          Now anyone who sees your ad on a mobile device can only call and wont be able to visit your site, you still need a site though
          I've been doing this for a while for my clients - but it only works effectively in certain business verticals.

          As for generating SEO leads from mobile devices... not too sure about that. My gut would tell me no, but I'd test it and see. You'd need a good call to action on your G ad, that's for sure.

          As for doing it for different business verticals, if you're selling leads and not doing this - you need to! The cost is a lot lower. The volume might not be there, but they'll be high quality leads, especially in certain business verticals and certain zip codes that may not have internet access... everyone has a cell phone though.
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          • Profile picture of the author sam m
            you need a landing page
            your account will be shut down without it.

            Unlike the answer here this comes straight from google. .
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