Lead generation???

RimaNaj2011

13 years ago

I'm still marketing my lead gen site but I plan on charging ~$30 for chiropractic leads.

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YellowGreenMedia

13 years ago

I would go for the flat fee, no real hassles with commissions and checking up with your client (obviously that means you get less money for your leads).

And the price depends on some variables, are the leads unique or are you selling them to multiple companies, are they email lead of phone leads, what kind of revenue can there be made for your client.

Hope that helps you a bit

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langdon0555

13 years ago

Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia

I would go for the flat fee, no real hassles with commissions and checking up with your client (obviously that means you get less money for your leads).

And the price depends on some variables, are the leads unique or are you selling them to multiple companies, are they email lead of phone leads, what kind of revenue can there be made for your client.

Hope that helps you a bit

They would be telephone leads...generated through direct mail. I would only be providing the leads to one dentist, not multiple.

Yellow, what type of fee would you say is a good price for that scenario?

Cheer

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kenmichaels

13 years ago

Originally Posted by langdon0555

I've also heard of people charging a fee based on how long a phone call inquiry is.

Who ever is trying to sell you on the idea of duration of a call
equals PRICE of a lead is completely lieing to you .

PERIOD.

Sorry. The price of leads have a lot of factors. MOST are industry standard.

I know thousands of industry pricing.

NONE of them are based on amount of time of a call.
( unless we are talking fowarding leads ... that incur price per minute .. as any other long distance connection )

Get a refund on that WSO. and / OR fire your coach..

Then use the search function here in WF for free.

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

NONE of them are based on amount of time of a call.
( unless we are talking fowarding leads ... that incur price per minute .. as any other long distance connection )

Ken here's 13 companies offering to pay for leads if they stay on the phone long after varying lenghths of time...

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YellowGreenMedia

13 years ago

Sorry but you're wrong, there are as lot of lead companies that are charging after a amount of time has passed...

I never charge for leads that are under a minute.. experience tell me that these calls are not leads but people that call a wrong number or are looking for a job for instance.

All leads above the minute are automatically charged, if they are not leads the client can dispute the and only then i will listen to the recording to check.

So stating that the time factor is not an issue is wrong, cus it definitely is.

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

Who ever is trying to sell you on the idea of duration of a call
equals PRICE of a lead is completely lieing to you .

PERIOD.

Sorry. The price of leads have a lot of factors. MOST are industry standard.

I know thousands of industry pricing.

NONE of them are based on amount of time of a call.
( unless we are talking fowarding leads ... that incur price per minute .. as any other long distance connection )

Get a refund on that WSO. and / OR fire your coach..

Then use the search function here in WF for free.

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kenmichaels

13 years ago

Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia

Sorry but you're wrong, there are as lot of lead companies that are charging after a amount of time has passed...

I never charge for leads that are under a minute.. experience tell me that these calls are not leads but people that call a wrong number or are looking for a job for instance.

All leads above the minute are automatically charged, if they are not leads the client can dispute the and only then i will listen to the recording to check.

So stating that the time factor is not an issue is wrong, cus it definitely is.

under a minute is a filter .

not a time based thing .. really how can it be anything other.

that is no different then selling in bounds and saying "disconnects" are a no charge

of course they arent....

so what do you mean YGM?

unless I am wrong .. time based leads AS HE mentioned is like a 900 #

pay per minute regardless ...

and THAT .... just does not happen in the real world .. unless you have a fool for a client
or an very ... very inexperienced bizz person ... and then... well if you do that then ...

well good for you ... but good bye respect

@ YGM.

There has been a trend over the lat 10 - 12 ish years.
The entire trend is now based around the "internet - lets make leads and sell them model "

I have nothing .. at all ... what-so-ever- against that.

but in those years a lot OF wrong, fake, dumb as *uck ideas ... became the corner stone
of lead sales.

Those ideas work with you on the local mom and pop level.

If your a slick sales man ... beyond.

BUT the truth ... is .... in reality ... real lead buyers... real lead sellers...
real lead creators.

We all know that shit .. is BS. And we avoid it at all costs.

really on the realest level you can find within yourself.

do you really give a shit if a lead last more then 1 minute if they buy ?

no .. of course you don't.

you just have several factors you want .. ones you want to qualify a lead
as a lead ... like, do they have an interest.. so they have money .. are they old enuff.

time per call is not one of them

you know it, i know it, your lead buyer knows it.

time per lead is just not feasible .. unless you have a retard saying yes...

or a 900 or 900 like number.

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mojo1

13 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

Who ever is trying to sell you on the idea of duration of a call
equals PRICE of a lead is completely lieing to you .

PERIOD.

Sorry. The price of leads have a lot of factors. MOST are industry standard.

I know thousands of industry pricing.

NONE of them are based on amount of time of a call.
( unless we are talking fowarding leads ... that incur price per minute .. as any other long distance connection )

Get a refund on that WSO. and / OR fire your coach..

Then use the search function here in WF for free.

Commission Junction and Pepperjam affiliate companies both have Pay per call programs based on this exact criteria--call duration. It's not a scam at all and yes you've just learned something new today

I'm not sure if I can post a screen shot of their current advertisers but the list is quite long.

If you'd like, I can pm a screen shot.

I've included an email response I received last Friday from a participating advertiser to a specific question I had about their compensation structure:

My email to company:

Hello,

I'm currently an affiliate with Commission Junction and am interested in your Pay per call program.

I've read your affiliate payment terms and agreement and do have one remaining question regarding the following quote found under the Payout Repeat Callers section:

"No payout if the same caller calls back within 30 Days."

Doe this mean that if a person calls in using my call tracking number on May 1st for the 4 min and in_region and during_hours and pressed[1] duration and calls back again on May 2nd, the next day that your company will not pay the affiliate for the call made on May 1st?

Or, does it mean that you will not pay the affiliate twice for both calls made on May 1st and 2nd but you will pay them for the May 1st call only?

Their response to me:

Your second scenario is accurate. If you send a call through to our call center that lasts over 4 minutes on May 1, and the same caller has a 4+ minute call again on May 2, you will not get paid for the May 2 call, but you will still get credit for the May 1 call.

Hope this helps.

Adam Sedacca
Affiliate Program Manager

100 Canal Pointe Blvd. Suite 216
Princeton, NJ 08540
Office: 609.921.0400 x117
Fax: 609.921.0491
Mercury Media - The Performance Agency
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bawls 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mojo1

Commission Junction and Pepperjam affiliate companies both have Pay per call programs based on this exact criteria--call duration. It's not a scam at all.

Maybe not a scam but defiantly convoluted payment structuring...but the bottom line is your ROI, I have tried ring revenue etc. and found the localized markets are far better than these strange niche, time based PPCall model. They almost want a customer each and every call..not an ROI over X calls.
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kenmichaels

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mojo1

Commission Junction and Pepperjam affiliate companies both have Pay per call programs based on this exact criteria--call duration. It's not a scam at all and yes you've just learned something new today

Mojo ... thanks. I am going to check them out asap.
I am all for learning.

@ ygm
I just reread what i said in that post. It sounded kinda dickish, that wasn't my intent.

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bawls

13 years ago

Let me tell you how most the timed based lead cost calls will go, "let me call you right back"

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shockwave

13 years ago

Wow.....another "lead generation for dentists" thread? Hmmmmm, maybe I should write a WSO on information I've already given out for free.

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vwtom 13 years ago

Originally Posted by shockwave

Wow.....another "lead generation for dentists" thread? Hmmmmm, maybe I should write a WSO on information I've already given out for free.

Why don't you send me what you have and I'll tell you what I think of it.
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- shockwave 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by vwtom
  
  Why don't you send me what you have and I'll tell you what I think of it.
  
  <== ...see that avatar over there? I would nose around and find some of my previous posts/threads and you'll find what you're looking for when it comes to this dentist lead generation stuff.
  
  .....btw, I only made about $600 last month from it. So it's not a super-big money maker.
  
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YellowGreenMedia

13 years ago

@kenmichaels

Ok than i mis understood

My bad

Dave

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langdon0555

13 years ago

I appreciate the feedback so far. Still haven't heard anybody say what they would charge per lead to a dentist. Like I mentioned, they would be fresh leads only giving to the one dentist. They would be generated through direct mail.

Cheers

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bawls

13 years ago

Originally Posted by langdon0555

I appreciate the feedback so far. Still haven't heard anybody say what they would charge per lead to a dentist. Like I mentioned, they would be fresh leads only giving to the one dentist. They would be generated through direct mail.

Cheers

Its not what I would charge, whats a good ROI for both parties should be the question.

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