WORST Cold Walking Experience EVER - Offline is not for me.

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So it was 6PM and I noticed a "closed" sign on the window lighting up, but I saw that the door to enter was slightly cracked and there was some activity going on. I decided to take it upon myself to walk inside and hopefully this would be the golden moment to speak to an owner. Here's what happened:
  • -I walk two feet in the door
  • -I hear a very loud intercom system turn on

Then I hear:

"whoever just walked into my store betta get the hell outta here right now or you're leavin in a casket"

I was completely confused and rather than leave, I stood looking around to see if maybe I could get a hold of someone.

"What's your business here?!"

I looked around not sure if I should respond by talking into the ceiling(where the intercom box was), or find where the person was located and actually talk to him.

I moved a little further into the store and he repeated himself...

"WHAT ARE YOU DOIN IN MY STORE, YOU DIDNT SEE THE SIGN!"

So I yelled into the ceiling (scared that he would take some kind of violent action)

"Im here to help you improve sales," I nervously mumbled...

out of nowhere...literally couldn't tell where he came from...I felt a hand grab my by the collar and drag me out the door like a helpless ragdoll, my feet dragging on the floor.... I dropped my folder and pen and my shoe fell off, but it rolled out the door thankfully or I think he would've kept it... I felt completely pathetic, dehumanized. I didn't even bother to fight it. I let him drag me out because I just felt worthless..


I left the house so confident..ready to finally make something of myself.. and here I am being dragged away by a short, fat guy who closely resembled Danny Devito.

then he mumbled "sales my ass! you cant respect my godam business! I'll show you a sale!"

and slammed the door shut.

I waited by the building for about 15 min to get picked up..and a woman came out the building and said to me "get a job kid. or do ya want me to call my husband back out hea"

I saw her throw something in the big trash bin and I had a good feeling it was my folder and pen.. sure enough, I went to check and she had threw my belongings in the trash.

at this point you can imagine I felt like complete SH*T. I grabbed my stuff and walked a few blocks down to get away from the area. I honestly felt those people had it in for me..without even knowing my intentions.

So, finally, my ride is late and I see a big black cadillac pulling up and slows down when it gets near me. The windows come down and it's the store owner.. He brings the window down and doesn't say a word for about 5 seconds.. then suddenly he honks the horn (it was VERY loud), I jump in fear and he starts laughing obnoxiously and drives off going like 60 MPH...

Well, there's the end of my career.

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  • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
    Great short story...

    Two things to mention...

    If this is true, then you have a lot to learn about a lot of things...starting with common sense.

    Secondly, make sure your next career choice is not a door to door anything....
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  • Profile picture of the author Anoopchawla
    The store owners was an ***...

    I have had some pretty bad experience too, like getting screamed in a bank by a bank manager in front of hundreds of people (some of which personally knew me) and what for because it was my first time and I didn't know the procedure for opening a bank account.

    Like you I thought I am never going to any bank ever again, but I did and I do almost very often. With time your emotional scars will heal.

    If you want to feel worthy while cold calling, either start with people you know or only personally visit prospects who have shown interest and have set a meeting on a phone call. That way you will be pretty much sure about whom you are dealing with.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    call the cops and do the dickhead for assault.

    OK so now serious, I think you're made for door to door,
    most people would have given up long before you did, you hung in there and kept trying, good on you, the fact you were trying to communicate to a retard with a pig of a wife isn't your fault, you done great, chin up, be proud, don't let the inbreds get you down
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  • What, are you kidding? This is FANTASTIC! It would be even better if he had let a Doberman out and you had to run! Come on, you can't buy these stories. Assuming it's true, wear it like a badge of honor. Heck, tell it even if it's not true--it's a great yarn. I can hear you know telling this story with all the different voice inflections: "I'm here to improve your sales!"

    Every real salesperson has a story or two like this.

    Now here's what you do: Go back at another time LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED. Act as cool as a cucumber.

    Congratulations--you'll tell this story the rest of your life over Jack Daniels and cigars, laughing until tears roll down your cheeks onto your expensive suit.
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    Well it can't get any worse...can it?
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    addendum to my previous post, you know how to get him more sales, so you surely know how to ensure he loses many sales.

    Now the local papers would love this story, names ,pictures and all, the local radio would love to hear and broadcast it, hell it might even go national/ viral. Does his business have any review site listings, hello, you went in there in good faith and that's the reception you got, you need to share that on every review site and throughout relevant (harmful) social media, you owe it to his potential customers to tell them what he can be like.

    Then send a card to his wife saying 'get a proper man, bitch, the one you have is a loser' as their profits fall and they go bankrupt and sell the Cadillac ;-)

    You can destroy him if you wish, or move on and laugh about it
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan James
    The copy-writing suggestion above is right on the mark, well written!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
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    Lol miscer?
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    As someone already said...it can't get any worse.

    So if that's the WORSE that can happen (and I'm pretty
    sure it is) then you really don't have anything to worry
    about do you.


    Looking at your writing skill it would seem to make sense
    for your first contact with business owners to be direct
    mail or email.

    That way you can get them calling you.

    That's a whole lot more fun.

    Kindest regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Hmm.

    The prospect TOLD YOU right away that it was a bad time.

    You didn't listen.

    Then, when asked why you were there, you gave some generic answer that no matter how quietly you mumbled it, screamed "HERE COMES A SALESPERSON!" The last person he wants to see at that moment.

    No surprise you got what you did. These people are a particularly special kind of jerks, but you ignored the warnings.

    CageyVet was completely correct about the common sense that could have been used in this situation.

    Next time, "Wow, seems like you're having a bad day. ...Any chance you'd be open to talking about it, and us seeing if we can find a way out of it? It's sorta 'what I do'."

    Not that I recommend talking to people who are having a bad day. But if you must, that's the way to go about doing it, for future reference. Not "I'm here to try and sell you something."

    To say "Offline is not for me" after one experience, your FIRST experience, is pretty lame. "Dad, I fell off my bike the first time I tried to ride it; cycling's not for me." "Teacher, I didn't do this equation properly the first time I tried it; math isn't for me." Uh huh.

    Now I suggest you take this experience and use it as the opener to your email copy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      I cold called in person for nearly 30 years. Nearly every day.

      I've been asked to leave twice.
      I've had someone raise their voice to me once.


      If the story is true, I have some solid advice for you.

      When you walk into a closed store...a CLOSED store....

      well, It's difficult to go on, but....

      If you hear "whoever just walked into my store betta get the hell outta here right now or you're leaving in a casket", that person isn't qualified to work with you...and I'd leave. Now.

      In your case, I'd quit. Staying after that shows a marked lack of awareness.

      I've never had anything close to that happen to me.

      When a salesperson starts telling a story about an irate customer, or being threatened, my first thought is "What did you do to create that reaction in the first place?"

      I'm not sure I believe the story.

      Wait. You had someone drop you off to make one cold call...where they had the "Closed" sign on?

      I find that almost impossible to believe.

      Edit; I deleted my last sentence because it was mean.
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      • Profile picture of the author chg
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I cold called in person for nearly 30 years. Nearly every day.

        I've been asked to leave twice.
        I've had someone raise their voice to me once.


        If the story is true, I have some solid advice for you.

        When you walk into a closed store...a CLOSED store....

        well, It's difficult to go on, but....

        If you hear "whoever just walked into my store betta get the hell outta here right now or you're leaving in a casket", that person isn't qualified to work with you...and I'd leave. Now.

        In your case, I'd quit. Staying after that shows a marked lack of awareness.

        I've never had anything close to that happen to me.

        When a salesperson starts telling a story about an irate customer, or being threatened, my first thought is "What did you do to create that reaction in the first place?"

        I'm not sure I believe the story.

        Wait. You had someone drop you off to make one cold call...where they had the "Closed" sign on?

        I find that almost impossible to believe.

        You're right, anything remotely related to sales isn't for you.
        My sentiments, exactly. I find this a bit extreme and unbelievable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    Am I the only one here who thinks the OP was the jerk and not the business owner?

    Sorry OP but you were in the wrong. There is no one to blame for what happened besides yourself.

    The Store was closed!!! Just because there is activity inside it doesn't change that. You can't just walk into a closed store. I guess you could have knocked or stuck you head in and said "hello" but beyond that you had no business in that store. You're just lucky he didn't call the damn cops on you like I would have.

    You have no idea what he was doing and where he had to be. You assumed that your need to sell was more important than his needs. You have a great future in sales. A great future in average sales that is. Way too many people in sales make it all about them. It should always be about the customer.

    Next he asks you to leave (yes rudely but that is his choice) and you don't go. For all he knew you could be a robber. You ever been robbed in a store? Luckily I haven't but other stores in my district in the same metro area were multiple times. You don't mess around with people who come in after close because you forgot to lock the door. When someone tells you to leave you better damn well leave. Especially when you are in the wrong. No one is going to buy from someone who doesn't respect them.

    Then he asks what you are doing there and instead of answering right away you walk further into the building. First you need to realize that some people will actually shoot first in situations like this and depending on where you live they might not even get arrested for it. You are trespassing at this point in a major way.

    Once again he asks you why you are in the store and tries to see if you simply didn't see the sign. Not sure what you yelled here as you didn't say but yelling never helps a situation. You can talk loudly without yelling. Or you know you could just leave since you have been told to.

    Finally you meekly tell him you are here to help his sales. Do you truly believe he gave a crap at that point? You lost this sale the second you walked into a closed store. Now you refuse to leave because you want to improve his sales? Just leave!

    Finally he has to forcibly remove you. Do you know how many people I have had to forcibily remove from the building over my management career? ZERO! I have never had someone so rude who would not leave. I've had to call the police on people who wouldn't leave my parking lot because someone told them that parking lots were public property. Which is false and the police removed them for me.

    So what if you dropped your stuff. That is your problem. Shoe fell off? Get better shoes that stay on. They should have tossed your stuff out at you and when they didn't you could have called the cops to get it back. But none of this would have happened had you respected the business in the first place.

    I am glad you got your stuff back. I suspect he saw the shoe fall off and kicked it out. And told his wife to throw the rest away so you could see it. Basically let you get it back but make you dumpster dive as his "revenge".

    Now that you are outside instead of leaving you hang around out front. I know you were waiting for a ride (unprofessional BTW, next time arrange to be picked up away from the building) but you may have still technically been trespassing. Like I said before you are very lucky the guy was just mean to you instead of shooting you or calling the cops on you.

    The reason they "had it in for you" is because you were rude as hell and didn't respect them or their business. Sounds like a reasonable reason to have it in for someone.

    As for the part where he honked. The way I see it is at this point he sees that not only are you harmless but also in his eyes a bit pathetic. After all you were so desperate for a sale that you walked into a closed store. That doesn't sound confident that sounds desperate. Confident would have been coming back another time or knocking on the door to see if they might have time now or later to chat. So now that his fear of being robbed is passed and he can laugh he honks to get a reaction from you. Remember the reason people laugh is to put us and those around us at ease. So for him this was a way to put himself fully at ease at your expense.

    I'm sorry but you need a dose of reality. The person in the wrong here was you. Period, end of story. Now he could have handled things a bit nicer but we have no idea why he did that. For all we know he got robbed five years ago in the exact way you just entered the building. Maybe his son got killed by that robber. Who knows.

    What you do know is the only person you can control is yourself. And by staying in control of yourself and doing the right things you can avoid situations like this.

    This isn't some cold walking horror story. This isn't a story about some prospect who unprovoked attacked you. Claude and others have shared true stories like that.

    This is a story of a person who didn't respect others. A person who thought their needs & wants were more important than the business owners. A person who doesn't care what time it is.

    Retail workers get mad when you walk in 5 to 10 mins before close. How do you think they feel when you walk in after close? Have you never worked a retail or restaurant job and had people come in late and make you miss getting somewhere important? It happens and it sucks when it is a paying customer. Sucks even worse when it turns out to be a stroker. But I can't imagine how much it would suck to have that person who was wasting my personal time be trying to sell me something.

    Put yourself in their shoes. How would you have reacted?

    I know myself I would have been calmer and nicer but I would have asked you to leave and when you did not I would have called the police.

    Stop thinking this is some horror story. It isn't.
    Stop making it out like you were the victim. You weren't.
    Stop thinking that you are more important than your prospects. You're not.

    You hopefully will learn a valuable lesson. One that the vast majority of sales people never learn.

    Your wants, needs, and etc do not matter. If you want to make the sale all that matters is your prospect and their wants, needs, and etc.


    Sadly based on this thread it's clear you haven't yet learned that lesson. But hopefully this thread, if enough people point out it was your fault, will help you come to that lesson.

    And if you do learn that lesson this story will be the one you retell to young sales people you mentor. The tone will be different, of course, as you will tell it from the prospective that you were wrong but the story will be retold. And you will laugh when those same sales people come to you weeks, months, and even years later to tell you that you were right. They will tell you about the sales pitch that made them realize this point. And at that moment you will know they have stopped being an amateur and have become a true sales professional.

    Looking back this will be the most valuable sales call in your career. Hell one day, a few years from now, you may even show up at that business again and hand that man a gift. He won't remember you but you will always remember him.

    EDIT: Looks like as I was writing this Claude came in and said it much shorter and a bit harsher than I did.

    Though if you learn the lesson you don't need to quit. Also not sure rather the story is true or not but decided to reply as if it were.

    EDIT 2: I don't have one of these stories to tell because I was always a "natural". It was only later when I started managing people and trying to train them to sell that I started to realize that what was "common sense" to me was anything but to the average sales person.

    You can't really blame them. The vast majority of sales managers and trainers teach people to close and that the commission, numbers, and profit is all that matters.

    But in almost all cases the top 1 or 2 sales people in store, group, or etc will make way more than everyone else and yet be the ones least motivated by money. They will be the one to score the "bonus" you offer but not because they did more but merely because they did what they always do. It will be the average ones that work harder when they can earn a bonus. This is part of the reason why rewards above and beyond the normal pay structure don't need to be monetary.
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    • Profile picture of the author Saluki Guy
      Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

      Am I the only one here who thinks the OP was the jerk and not the business owner?

      Sorry OP but you were in the wrong. There is no one to blame for what happened besides yourself.

      The Store was closed!!! Just because there is activity inside it doesn't change that. You can't just walk into a closed store. I guess you could have knocked or stuck you head in and said "hello" but beyond that you had no business in that store. You're just lucky he didn't call the damn cops on you like I would have.

      You have no idea what he was doing and where he had to be. You assumed that your need to sell was more important than his needs. You have a great future in sales. A great future in average sales that is. Way too many people in sales make it all about them. It should always be about the customer.

      Next he asks you to leave (yes rudely but that is his choice) and you don't go. For all he knew you could be a robber. You ever been robbed in a store? Luckily I haven't but other stores in my district in the same metro area were multiple times. You don't mess around with people who come in after close because you forgot to lock the door. When someone tells you to leave you better damn well leave. Especially when you are in the wrong. No one is going to buy from someone who doesn't respect them.

      Then he asks what you are doing there and instead of answering right away you walk further into the building. First you need to realize that some people will actually shoot first in situations like this and depending on where you live they might not even get arrested for it. You are trespassing at this point in a major way.

      Once again he asks you why you are in the store and tries to see if you simply didn't see the sign. Not sure what you yelled here as you didn't say but yelling never helps a situation. You can talk loudly without yelling. Or you know you could just leave since you have been told to.

      Finally you meekly tell him you are here to help his sales. Do you truly believe he gave a crap at that point? You lost this sale the second you walked into a closed store. Now you refuse to leave because you want to improve his sales? Just leave!

      Finally he has to forcibly remove you. Do you know how many people I have had to forcibily remove from the building over my management career? ZERO! I have never had someone so rude who would not leave. I've had to call the police on people who wouldn't leave my parking lot because someone told them that parking lots were public property. Which is false and the police removed them for me.

      So what if you dropped your stuff. That is your problem. Shoe fell off? Get better shoes that stay on. They should have tossed your stuff out at you and when they didn't you could have called the cops to get it back. But none of this would have happened had you respected the business in the first place.

      I am glad you got your stuff back. I suspect he saw the shoe fall off and kicked it out. And told his wife to throw the rest away so you could see it. Basically let you get it back but make you dumpster dive as his "revenge".

      Now that you are outside instead of leaving you hang around out front. I know you were waiting for a ride (unprofessional BTW, next time arrange to be picked up away from the building) but you may have still technically been trespassing. Like I said before you are very lucky the guy was just mean to you instead of shooting you or calling the cops on you.

      The reason they "had it in for you" is because you were rude as hell and didn't respect them or their business. Sounds like a reasonable reason to have it in for someone.

      As for the part where he honked. The way I see it is at this point he sees that not only are you harmless but also in his eyes a bit pathetic. After all you were so desperate for a sale that you walked into a closed store. That doesn't sound confident that sounds desperate. Confident would have been coming back another time or knocking on the door to see if they might have time now or later to chat. So now that his fear of being robbed is passed and he can laugh he honks to get a reaction from you. Remember the reason people laugh is to put us and those around us at ease. So for him this was a way to put himself fully at ease at your expense.

      I'm sorry but you need a dose of reality. The person in the wrong here was you. Period, end of story. Now he could have handled things a bit nicer but we have no idea why he did that. For all we know he got robbed five years ago in the exact way you just entered the building. Maybe his son got killed by that robber. Who knows.

      What you do know is the only person you can control is yourself. And by staying in control of yourself and doing the right things you can avoid situations like this.

      This isn't some cold walking horror story. This isn't a story about some prospect who unprovoked attacked you. Claude and others have shared true stories like that.

      This is a story of a person who didn't respect others. A person who thought their needs & wants were more important than the business owners. A person who doesn't care what time it is.

      Retail workers get mad when you walk in 5 to 10 mins before close. How do you think they feel when you walk in after close? Have you never worked a retail or restaurant job and had people come in late and make you miss getting somewhere important? It happens and it sucks when it is a paying customer. Sucks even worse when it turns out to be a stroker. But I can't imagine how much it would suck to have that person who was wasting my personal time be trying to sell me something.

      Put yourself in their shoes. How would you have reacted?

      I know myself I would have been calmer and nicer but I would have asked you to leave and when you did not I would have called the police.

      Stop thinking this is some horror story. It isn't.
      Stop making it out like you were the victim. You weren't.
      Stop thinking that you are more important than your prospects. You're not.

      You hopefully will learn a valuable lesson. One that the vast majority of sales people never learn.

      Your wants, needs, and etc do not matter. If you want to make the sale all that matters is your prospect and their wants, needs, and etc.


      Sadly based on this thread it's clear you haven't yet learned that lesson. But hopefully this thread, if enough people point out it was your fault, will help you come to that lesson.

      And if you do learn that lesson this story will be the one you retell to young sales people you mentor. The tone will be different, of course, as you will tell it from the prospective that you were wrong but the story will be retold. And you will laugh when those same sales people come to you weeks, months, and even years later to tell you that you were right. They will tell you about the sales pitch that made them realize this point. And at that moment you will know they have stopped being an amateur and have become a true sales professional.

      Looking back this will be the most valuable sales call in your career. Hell one day, a few years from now, you may even show up at that business again and hand that man a gift. He won't remember you but you will always remember him.

      EDIT: Looks like as I was writing this Claude came in and said it much shorter and a bit harsher than I did.

      Though if you learn the lesson you don't need to quit. Also not sure rather the story is true or not but decided to reply as if it were.

      EDIT 2: I don't have one of these stories to tell because I was always a "natural". It was only later when I started managing people and trying to train them to sell that I started to realize that what was "common sense" to me was anything but to the average sales person.

      You can't really blame them. The vast majority of sales managers and trainers teach people to close and that the commission, numbers, and profit is all that matters.

      But in almost all cases the top 1 or 2 sales people in store, group, or etc will make way more than everyone else and yet be the ones least motivated by money. They will be the one to score the "bonus" you offer but not because they did more but merely because they did what they always do. It will be the average ones that work harder when they can earn a bonus. This is part of the reason why rewards above and beyond the normal pay structure don't need to be monetary.
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      • Originally Posted by Art of Marketing View Post

        I agree.

        OK I could not resist that but one day you will be able to hire your own cold calling sales force if you do not give up now.

        -Art

        Or how about this: a cold call protection service! You need protection cold calling in tough parts of town? We've got you covered!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Go back to the store and be fearless. LOL Apologize for being disrespectful for entering the store when it said "CLOSED" you'll get the best client ever after that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      Go back to the store and be fearless. LOL Apologize for being disrespectful for entering the store when it said "CLOSED" you'll get the best client ever after that.
      I like this. If you come back confident and respectful I agree that it will leave an impression. Not sure rather he will buy. But if he does you will have a client for life who will send you referrals. He will also tell business owners he knows the story which will lead to sales as well.

      Worth trying. Worst that happens is he asks you to leave again due to this event and you leave respectfully.
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  • Just a few suggestions if you plan on using this story for whatever reason. It's pretty good, but there are too many holes. Your readers or live audience will know right away, so don't try to gloss over them. The big one in my mind is when you looked in and didn't see anything except the intercom, and then

    out of nowhere...literally couldn't tell where he came from

    It's too big a jump to be believable. Smooth this story out and I think you have something. It would be even better if it was true, or partly true, but it's unlikely.

    Still doesn't matter. Work out the kinks, and you've got a good tall tale.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by joe golfer View Post

      Just a few suggestions if you plan on using this story for whatever reason. It's pretty good, but there are too many holes. Your readers or live audience will know right away, so don't try to gloss over them. The big one in my mind is when you looked in and didn't see anything except the intercom, and then

      out of nowhere...literally couldn't tell where he came from

      It's too big a jump to be believable. Smooth this story out and I think you have something. It would be even better if it was true, or partly true, but it's unlikely.

      Still doesn't matter. Work out the kinks, and you've got a good tall tale.
      It should be pointed out that this would be a "I was sooo stupid on my first cold call that....", not a "You wouldn't believe this guy..." story.
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      • Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        It should be pointed out that this would be a "I was sooo stupid on my first cold call that....", not a "You wouldn't believe this guy..." story.
        Yeah, this is a good story when talking about your newbie offline days, how clueless you were. Then later you talk about how far you've come, etc.

        You could use it in a speech or written sales piece.

        If you do it live, make sure to do the voices, and act out the parts like when he drags you out of the building. Keep it loose for the first few speeches, and listen to where the audience laughs. Let the laughs die down before starting again. Drop the parts where they seem confused or bored. You'll refine and change the story over time.

        You can add more tension by raising the stakes. For example, maybe you had to make a sale that week or you would get fired. Or you needed a sale soon to feed your family.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by joe golfer View Post

          Yeah, this is a good story when talking about your newbie offline days, how clueless you were. Then later you talk about how far you've come, etc.

          You could use it in a speech or written sales piece.

          If you do it live, make sure to do the voices, and act out the parts like when he drags you out of the building. Keep it loose for the first few speeches, and listen to where the audience laughs. Let the laughs die down before starting again. Drop the parts where they seem confused or bored. You'll refine and change the story over time.

          You can add more tension by raising the stakes. For example, maybe you had to make a sale that week or you would get fired. Or you needed a sale soon to feed your family.
          I want to point out that it's a mistake to make up stories. Eventually, you'll tell it to someone who was there, or knows someone who was there. Or, the story will be inconsistent with something else that you said.

          If you have been selling for more than a few years, you'll have plenty of true stories to tell. Tell them.

          It seems that every speaker;
          1) Was extremely poor when they started out.
          2) Found one thing that changed their business.
          3) Had a terrible disease that they survived.
          4) No longer have to work, (apparently speaking isn't work) because they are now free of worry.
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          • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I want to point out that it's a mistake to make up stories. Eventually, you'll tell it to someone who was there, or knows someone who was there. Or, the story will be inconsistent with something else that you said.

            If you have been selling for more than a few years, you'll have plenty of true stories to tell. Tell them.

            It seems that every speaker;
            1) Was extremely poor when they started out.
            2) Found one thing that changed their business.
            3) Had a terrible disease that they survived.
            4) No longer have to work, (apparently speaking isn't work) because they are now free of worry.

            I was the last speaker after 4 or 5 speakers that day. Every one of them told about a disease that nearly killed them, or about how their parents died, or about a child they had that was disabled in some way. Every one of them cried...profusely.

            This was a marketing seminar.
            Yeah I hate that fact. People may think I am lying when I tell them I grew up on welfare thanks to all those who lie about it. Of course my idea that welfare isn't that bad and is actually kind of nice will be different. Like I say if welfare is the worst thing that could happen to you why are you being held back by fear?

            Sad that their true life story isn't worth telling. Or at least that they feel that their real life story has no value.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Rus and Aaron already said exactly what I was going to say after reading your story - go back the next day and apologize. During business hours though, that way there are witnesses, lol.

    Don't make your pitch. Just apologize.

    Maybe the guy's a dick ... it sounds like it. Or maybe it was the worst day he's ever had and a salesman walking through the door after they had already closed up for the day was the straw that broke the camel's back.

    If it's the former, he'll either tell you to get out again, or thank you for your apology and THEN tell you to get out again. But if it's the latter ... he might respect your courage to come back and apologize, and end up apologizing to YOU for how he handled things. Maybe even give you permission to pitch.

    Although I doubt you'd want this guy as a customer... it's not so much that he threw you out of his shop, but the fact that he followed you in his car after you were already out? The dude isn't exactly stable.

    But you should still apologize.
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    Hey, at least you had a meaningful conversation with a prospect!
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  • Couple more ideas: Describe the business itself. Is it a pawn shop? A jewelry store? What part of town--rich area or sketchy neighborhood?

    Then when he says, ..or you're leaving in a casket," I would edit out the other things he says and go straight to your first response. "Leaving in a casket" is a definitive threat that gets weakened if you put more dialog in there. It sets up the tension beautifully, and I wouldn't dilute it by having him talk again until you respond to the casket line.

    Take out the part where you were waiting 15 minutes. It just deflates the tension you've built up. Have the lady come out right after you got tossed and throw the stuff in the bin, or even on the street in front of your feet. This is where you use poetic license. Yes, the spine of the story should be true if it happened to you, but you can and should massage it to work better as a story. You are not delivering a news report, you are illustrating a point or lesson.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by joe golfer View Post

      Couple more ideas: Describe the business itself. Is it a pawn shop? A jewelry store? What part of town--rich area or sketchy neighborhood?

      Then when he says, ..or you're leaving in a casket," I would edit out the other things he says and go straight to your first response. "Leaving in a casket" is a definitive threat that gets weakened if you put more dialog in there. It sets up the tension beautifully, and I wouldn't dilute it by having him talk again until you respond to the casket line.
      The more I think about it, assuming it's true..it is a fantastic story. If it happened to me on my first attempt years ago, I'd open with it.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The more I think about it, assuming it's true..it is a fantastic story. If it happened to me on my first attempt years ago, I'd open with it.
        I'm just curious why?

        I guess it would be a good beer story , but I'm kind of surprised OP shared it. I probably would have not.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

          I'm just curious why?

          I guess it would be a good beer story , but I'm kind of surprised OP shared it. I probably would have not.
          Let's assume the story is true (at least most of it).

          First of all, it's got drama. It isn't a funny story (I would work on that. Change the ending) But it shows how absolutely clueless you were at the beginning of your career. New salespeople would identify with you, and they would have thought "If he can do it, I can do it!"

          In fact, I'd be tempted to adapt the story myself, but it didn't happen to me.

          I strongly suspect the OP shared the story because he had no idea how it made him look. I've heard stories from new hires that aren't as dramatic, but showed the same level of ...um....naivete.

          What amazes me, is that if the OP told the story in a bar, everyone listening would be on his side. Only the bar owner would be thinking "What a moron".


          I notice he's left us, by the way.

          I'll say this, if he told us the story, and then said "I'm not giving up. I'm dusting myself of and going at it tomorrow", I would have thought "Now, here is a Superstar in the making".

          If the OP would have survived the ordeal, (and our tough love), he would have survived anything. And he would instantly have had respect from most of us.

          But, alas......
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          • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            What amazes me, is that if the OP told the story in a bar, everyone listening would be on his side. Only the bar owner would be thinking "What a moron".
            Can't bar patrons be given the benefit of the doubt that it's possible some of them have a bit of sense? I'm pretty sure I still would have had the same opinion (pretty much like yours), had I heard the story in a bar, regardless how many beers I'd had. Business owners don't deserve the pedestal you've put them on imo, (aside from the fact that bar patrons can also be business owners).
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  • Profile picture of the author Talltom1
    This thread reminds me of a something I told my wife every day, early in my sales career, that I'd get at least 3 orders each and every day, without fail. "Get out", "Stay out", "Don't come back."
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    Oh, and Aaron, I meant to ask you, how do you really feel about this situation? I read the first 3 chapters, and it was a bit ambiguous.... :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Quincy
    Are you people kiddin' me??

    Look, I try my best to be polite, respectable & kind, however... The hell with making the sale! If anyone ever puts their hands on me my like that they are taking a major chance that I might snap their arm like a twig.

    I always do my best to show people the highest respect. I would like for them to reciprocate, but sometimes they don't ... and that's their right. I'll happily leave. I probably wouldn't want them as a client anyway.

    That guy didn't show you even a basic level of civility & courtesy. That's his right. He can be a jerk if he chooses to be.

    However when he put his hands on you, he crossed the line. No douche-bag will ever put their hands on me without serious repercussions.
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    • Profile picture of the author ronrule
      Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

      Are you people kiddin' me??

      Look, I try my best to be polite, respectable & kind, however... The hell with making the sale! If anyone ever puts their hands on me my like that they are taking a major chance that I might snap their arm like a twig.

      I always do my best to show people the highest respect. I would like for them to reciprocate, but sometimes they don't ... and that's their right. I'll happily leave. I probably wouldn't want them as a client anyway.

      That guy didn't show you even a basic level of civility & courtesy. That's his right. He can be a jerk if he chooses to be.

      However when he put his hands on you, he crossed the line. No douche-bag will ever put their hands on me without serious repercussions.
      :rolleyes:

      I doubt that would have gone in your favor in this situation...

      You walk into a business that's closed.

      You don't leave when the owner asks you to.

      You don't leave when the owner threatens you with bodily harm.

      You continue to speak, and the owner forcibly removes you.

      And your plan is to injure HIM while he's removing an intruder from his property?

      You'll be the one charged, not him.
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      • Profile picture of the author Quincy
        Hey Ronrule,

        Your point is irrelevant. I don't need anything to "go in my favor". If he put his hands on me in anger, I would have removed them from me with twice the fury.

        If you choose to let people like that put their hands on you, that's your business. As for me I won't stand for it, and I'll take my chances in court if I need to.
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          Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

          Your point is irrelevant. I don't need anything to "go in my favor". If he put his hands on me in anger, I would have removed them from me with twice the fury.
          He didn't put his hands on you in anger, he removed a trespasser from his property. But it will make a great story for your cell mates.
          :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author Quincy
            And if you choose to let people do that to you, you'll eventually make a pretty corpse for your family.
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            • Profile picture of the author ronrule
              Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

              And if you choose to let people do that to you, you'll eventually make a pretty corpse for your family.
              I'm really not following you here... remember, we're talking about a trespasser, not some dude walking down the street minding his own business.

              Originally Posted by Huskerdarren View Post

              What would Walt say (and do)?
              Probably go back the next day and poison the owner with Ricin, lol.
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              • Profile picture of the author Quincy
                Well RonRule then let me explain it to you so you will understand:

                1) No one has the right to put their hands on you in anger unless they are physically threatened, Period. I couldn't give a damn whether or not it was his store

                2) You should know that bullies prey on the weak. Some people sense "weakness" in others and exploit it. A person who refuses to stand up for themselves is displaying weakness and opening themselves up to torment from others. Where I'm from, that display of weakness will probably get you severely beaten or killed.

                Now do you understand?
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                • Profile picture of the author ronrule
                  Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

                  Well RonRule then let me explain it to you so you will understand:

                  1) No one has the right to put their hands on you in anger unless they are physically threatened, Period. I couldn't give a damn whether or not it was his store

                  2) You should know that bullies prey on the weak. Some people sense "weakness" in others and exploit it. A person who refuses to stand up for themselves is displaying weakness and opening themselves up to torment from others. Where I'm from, that display of weakness will probably get you severely beaten or killed.

                  Now do you understand?
                  You can't be serious... your response has nothing at all to do with the situation.

                  It's perfectly valid if it's your shop. It's completely invalid if you're trespassing.

                  Put the shoe on the other foot, man. If it's your shop and someone comes in and won't leave when asked to, I agree with everything you're saying. Remove them by any means necessary.

                  The thing is... that's exactly what happened here. So I guess you're saying that if someone comes into your place of business after hours, with a closed sign clearly displayed, and won't leave when you tell them to, that they're within their rights to give you a beat-down for trying to remove them?

                  I'm sure you'll respond with another chest-thumping retort about what a tough-guy you are, and that no one would beat you in a fight. But that's not really the point... the point is about who's in the right, and who's in the wrong. The trespasser was in the wrong, and he did the right thing by letting it go. It isn't "standing your ground" when someone else is defending their property against you.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

              And if you choose to let people do that to you, you'll eventually make a pretty corpse for your family.
              We get it. Hit them hard, hit them often. Violence as a sales technique.

              I had a male trainee ask once "What do you do if they lunge at you and grab you around your neck?"

              I was speechless for a few seconds. I asked "What would you possibly do to deserve that attack?".

              Nearly every male prospect has a story where they "Threw out the salesman by force". It's never happened to me, or any salesperson I've ever known.

              So it's a lie. Nobody grabs you and bodily throws you out. Unless you do something to provoke it.

              Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

              Where I'm from, that display of weakness will probably get you severely beaten or killed.
              I'm sorry you grew up like that. Truly. But you are talking to adults now, and that isn't how we behave.
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              • Profile picture of the author Quincy
                Violence as a sales technique, WTF are you talking about Claude? This has nothing to do with sales.

                You can choose to let people put their hands on you if you want if you consider that the definition of being an adult. I don't define adulthood that way. It doesn't really matter how you choose to behave if someone else choose to hurt you, they will. Maybe you feel you can talk your way out of it. Good luck with that.

                So congrats Claude in living someplace where adults are the model of civility and where there's no fist fights, road rage, gun violence etc. However, you may want to look at the news or pick up a newspaper once in a while to see the real world we live in.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

                  Violence as a sales technique WTF are you talking about Claude?

                  You can choose to let people put their hands on you if you want if you consider that the definition of being an adult. I don't define adulthood that way. It doesn't really matter how you choose to behave if someone else choose to hurt you, they will. Maybe you feel you can talk your way out of it. Good luck with that.
                  I'm very very sorry that you see the world this way. I wish there was some way I could help you.

                  Somehow we are now talking about physical attacks. That wasn't in the Op.
                  I wish you well.

                  Edited a little later; OK, I see that it was in the OP. But the kid was completely in the wrong. And he would be the one arrested for trespassing. Although a punch in the face may get the owner arrested too.

                  What a stupid conversation we are having. We are arguing about hypothetical responses to hypothetical situations. I'm laughing at myself.
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                    I don't think this story is true. Like you said Claude, he got dropped off and picked up for just this one cold call? LOL
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                  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    I'm very very sorry that you see the world this way. I wish there was some way I could help you.

                    Somehow we are now talking about physical attacks. That wasn't in the Op.
                    I wish you well.
                    it wasn't?

                    being manhandled in a way that shoes came off, personal belongings went flying and were left behind, the OP ended up on their behind, Id say that was some sort of assault, it certainly wasn't a friendly adult business owner like way of evicting someone who clearly wasn't there for a fight .
                    Clearly the business owner was somewhat pissed off by whatever had gone on that day and took it out on the OP, Im not getting into whether the OP should have left at the first request , if we all gave up at the first 'no' we'd never sell anything and you know that as well as most, with hindsight its easy to see he should have left but as its his first time he tried to hang in there and got it wrong, doesn't deserve what he got from the business owner. (so I did get into it! )
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

                      it wasn't?

                      being manhandled in a way that shoes came off, personal belongings went flying and were left behind, the OP ended up on their behind, Id say that was some sort of assault, it certainly wasn't a friendly adult business owner like way of evicting someone who clearly wasn't there for a fight .
                      Clearly the business owner was somewhat pissed off by whatever had gone on that day and took it out on the OP, Im not getting into whether the OP should have left at the first request , if we all gave up at the first 'no' we'd never sell anything and you know that as well as most, with hindsight its easy to see he should have left but as its his first time he tried to hang in there and got it wrong, doesn't deserve what he got from the business owner. (so I did get into it! )
                      OK, I didn't go back and read the OP. You're right. Based on the story, I wouldn't let someone grab me. But I would never be in that position.

                      The more I think about it, the less I believe the story. The OP said "I felt a hand grab my by the collar and drag me out the door like a helpless ragdoll, my feet dragging on the floor."

                      I find that very hard to believe. But grabbing someone by the collar? (Which I would never do), wouldn't get them hit. But then, It wasn't me.
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                  Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

                  So congrats Claude in living someplace where adults are the model of civility
                  Sounds to me more like Claude's talking about dealing with emotionally mature people. It's a world where you're the one who chooses who you want to keep dealing with.

                  Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

                  being manhandled in a way that shoes came off, personal belongings went flying and were left behind, the OP ended up on their behind, Id say that was some sort of assault
                  Because the kid violated the "Closed" sign by entering, was told to leave immediately but didn't, and so for all the shop keeper knows, he's going to get robbed and killed if he doesn't take action fast and hard. So he did.

                  The rest of it when they realized the kid wasn't a threat? He put himself on their sh1t list and right or wrong they accordingly treated him like a laughing stock.
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                    Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

                    I really don't need your help Claude, so please don't patronize me.
                    Time to grow up buddy, and stop trying to make everyone think you are a tough guy. I grew up in a place just like you describe. And for years I told stories about it.

                    Until I realized - I don't want to live in a place like that. I don't want to know people like that. And I don't want to be a person like that.

                    So, I changed. I stopped identifying with the tough guy long ago. And my life has been much better.

                    Think about it - are you aspiring to be a tough guy? Or be successful and well liked?

                    Drop the tough talk. No one is impressed or even cares.

                    Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

                    Let's all fight Claude!
                    That is the worst fight scene ever filmed! It has to be!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Quincy
                      Dan you don't know WTF you're talking about. No one is trying to sound tough. I don't care where you grew up or who you are. Why should I try to impress you, you're absolutely nobody to me!!

                      Maybe you're not literate enough to follow my posts. It's very easy to be tough on the computer, but if you're not intelligent enough to prepare yourself for a possible confrontation, you're nothing but a future victim.

                      I haven't told any stories about where I grew up. I don't need to. And I still will tel you if anyone puts their hands on me in anger, I will respond.

                      So you should grow up, learn how to read, and stay out of conversations when you have no idea what you're talking about.

                      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                      Time to grow up buddy, and stop trying to make everyone think you are a tough guy. I grew up in a place just like you describe. And for years I told stories about it.

                      Until I realized - I don't want to live in a place like that. I don't want to know people like that. And I don't want to be a person like that.

                      So, I changed. I stopped identifying with the tough guy long ago. And my life has been much better.

                      Think about it - are you aspiring to be a tough guy? Or be successful and well liked?

                      Drop the tough talk. No one is impressed or even cares.



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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

                        It's very easy to be tough on the computer, but if you're not intelligent enough to prepare yourself for a possible confrontation, you're nothing but a future victim.
                        Quincy. I mean this sincerely. And I'm not talking down to you. You are the only one here talking tough.

                        How many adults get into fights (let's say after 21 years old)? Almost none.
                        How many people get attacked physically? Almost none.
                        How many are victims of road rage? Very very few.
                        How many get shot at or threatened with a gun? Very few.

                        Most men never get into a fight their entire adult life.

                        Do any of us talk like "victims"? No. We just don't think that way. We don't get into those situations. And least nobody I know.

                        And remember. I can beat William Shatner up. Mostly because he's 75 years old and 5' 5".

                        Live long and prosper.

                        Yeah, we are talking among ourselves. The OP is long gone.
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                          For the life of me, I cannot understand why you people feel that me saying that "I try to treat people with respect but refuse to allow anyone to put their hand on me in anger" has anything to do with "talking tough" or "immaturity".

                          I thought that all people refused to let anyone touch them in anger. If you people choose to allow this to happen to you, that is your right. I do not allow people to do this to me, and that is my right.

                          When that man yanked that person off his feet and pulled him out of the store, that was an inexcusable act of violence. And when someone chooses to be that disrespectful to me, then I feel no need to show them any further respect.

                          Unfortunately, there are many people in this world that confuse kindness with weakness. When in fact, the case is just the opposite. Being kind takes far more strength than being mean. I truly believe this, and act accordingly.

                          However, when someone chooses to behave violently toward me, I immediately make sure they are aware that is not something I am willing to except, ever.

                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Quincy. I mean this sincerely. And I'm not talking down to you. You are the only one here talking tough.

                          How many adults get into fights (let's say after 21 years old)? Almost none.
                          How many people get attacked physically? Almost none.
                          How many are victims of road rage? Very very few.
                          How many get shot at or threatened with a gun? Very few.

                          Most men never get into a fight their entire adult life.

                          Do any of us talk like "victims"? No. We just don't think that way. We don't get into those situations. And least nobody I know.

                          And remember. I can beat William Shatner up. Mostly because he's 75 years old and 5' 5".

                          Live long and prosper.

                          Yeah, we are talking among ourselves. The OP is long gone.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                            Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

                            Unfortunately, there are many people in this world that confuse kindness with weakness. When in fact, the case is just the opposite. Being kind takes far more strength than being mean. I truly believe this, and act accordingly.

                            However, when someone chooses to behave violently toward me, I immediately make sure they are aware that is not something I am willing to except, ever.
                            I get you now. Ignore what I said before.

                            Although I would never be in a position where someone had to bodily throw me out. Yes, I would defend myself, if grabbed. Not hit them, but show them that the behavior was unacceptable. But nobody would ever grab me. I would never be in that situation. Even the most violent drunk troglodyte wouldn't try to hurt me. I would never give them reason to.

                            As many have said. The story smacks of fantasy. And the kid (if the story is true) really really made all the wrong moves.

                            Have you heard the saying "I never start a fight, but I wouldn't walk away from one"?

                            Well, I would walk away. Every time.

                            Take care. Claude
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                              Fair enough, Claude. If you have that ability to defuse that type of behavior (and I do not have any reason to believe that you don't have that skill), then I truly have to respect you for that.

                              I too wish you the best of luck.

                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              I get you now. Ignore what I said before.

                              Although I would never be in a position where someone had to bodily throw me out. Yes, I would defend myself, if grabbed. Not hit them, but show them that the behavior was unacceptable. But nobody would ever grab me. I would never be in that situation. Even the most violent drunk troglodyte wouldn't try to hurt me. I would never give them reason to.

                              As many have said. The story smacks of fantasy. And the kid (if the story is true) really really made all the wrong moves.

                              Have you heard the saying "I never start a fight, but I wouldn't walk away from one"?

                              Well, I would walk away. Every time.

                              Take care. Claude
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                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              Well, I would walk away. Every time.
                              or hobble if they'd nabbed one of your shoes
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                      • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
                        Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

                        If anyone ever puts their hands on me my like that they are taking a major chance that I might snap their arm like a twig.
                        LOL. Not trying to be a tough guy, eh?

                        No douche-bag will ever put their hands on me without serious repercussions.
                        :rolleyes:

                        I would have removed them from me with twice the fury.
                        Nobody cares how tough you think you are.

                        Where I'm from, that display of weakness will probably get you severely beaten or killed.
                        Nobody cares where you are from, tough guy.

                        I haven't told any stories about where I grew up. I don't need to. And I still will tel you if anyone puts their hands on me in anger, I will respond.
                        See the quote above this one. Indeed, maybe "grew up" (past tense) isn't the appropriate way to say it. It appears you have not "grown up" quite yet.

                        Originally Posted by Quincy View Post

                        I really don't need your help Claude, so please don't patronize me.
                        I beg to differ, you don't need help from Claude, maybe. But you definitely need some help. Life doesn't have to be this angry, fearful experience that you are living.

                        Dan you don't know WTF you're talking about. No one is trying to sound tough. I don't care where you grew up or who you are. Why should I try to impress you, you're absolutely nobody to me!!
                        You are most definitely trying to sound tough. Read the quotes. If I am nobody to you, how is it that I can make you so angry? LOL

                        It's very easy to be tough on the computer...
                        It sure is buddy. Sure is. You are making that quite clear.

                        So you should grow up, learn how to read, and stay out of conversations when you have no idea what you're talking about.
                        LOL again. Was this a private conversation? Tough guy?
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  • Profile picture of the author digichik
    I'm sorry, but I laughed so hard I cried, I mean I literally have tears streaming down my face.

    If this story is real, you are now prepared to make millions in Offline Sales. Now is not the time to give up.

    However, if you are serious about a career change, may I suggest comedy writer.

    P.S. I had to give you a 'Thanks', for giving me my laugh for the month.
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    Post your experience on Yelp and then maybe sell him some reputation management services.
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    Sell him some cheap caskets.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by dmaster555 View Post

    So it was 6PM and I noticed a "closed" sign on the window lighting up, but I saw that the door to enter was slightly cracked and there was some activity going on. I decided to take it upon myself to walk inside and hopefully this would be the golden moment to speak to an owner. Here's what happened:
    • -I walk two feet in the door
    • -I hear a very loud intercom system turn on

    Then I hear:

    "whoever just walked into my store betta get the hell outta here right now or you're leavin in a casket"

    I was completely confused and rather than leave, I stood looking around to see if maybe I could get a hold of someone.

    "What's your business here?!"

    I looked around not sure if I should respond by talking into the ceiling(where the intercom box was), or find where the person was located and actually talk to him.

    I moved a little further into the store and he repeated himself...

    "WHAT ARE YOU DOIN IN MY STORE, YOU DIDNT SEE THE SIGN!"

    So I yelled into the ceiling (scared that he would take some kind of violent action)

    "Im here to help you improve sales," I nervously mumbled...

    out of nowhere...literally couldn't tell where he came from...I felt a hand grab my by the collar and drag me out the door like a helpless ragdoll, my feet dragging on the floor.... I dropped my folder and pen and my shoe fell off, but it rolled out the door thankfully or I think he would've kept it... I felt completely pathetic, dehumanized. I didn't even bother to fight it. I let him drag me out because I just felt worthless..


    I left the house so confident..ready to finally make something of myself.. and here I am being dragged away by a short, fat guy who closely resembled Danny Devito.

    then he mumbled "sales my ass! you cant respect my godam business! I'll show you a sale!"

    and slammed the door shut.

    I waited by the building for about 15 min to get picked up..and a woman came out the building and said to me "get a job kid. or do ya want me to call my husband back out hea"

    I saw her throw something in the big trash bin and I had a good feeling it was my folder and pen.. sure enough, I went to check and she had threw my belongings in the trash.

    at this point you can imagine I felt like complete SH*T. I grabbed my stuff and walked a few blocks down to get away from the area. I honestly felt those people had it in for me..without even knowing my intentions.

    So, finally, my ride is late and I see a big black cadillac pulling up and slows down when it gets near me. The windows come down and it's the store owner.. He brings the window down and doesn't say a word for about 5 seconds.. then suddenly he honks the horn (it was VERY loud), I jump in fear and he starts laughing obnoxiously and drives off going like 60 MPH...

    Well, there's the end of my career.

    What was your worst day in IM?

    My worst day in IM is reading this ridiculous post lol
    I call B.S. on this story. I am sorry I just do not buy it !!

    It's an attention thread, that's all !

    But your fictional story telling is mighty good. You ought to go to Reader's Digest and submit something like this ! There are plenty of gullible readers there
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    If it happens again, when they ask who you are say "I am the danger. I am the one who knocks."
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    Originally Posted by dmaster555 View Post

    Well, there's the end of my career.
    Are you kidding?

    I would buy the movie/book of that story.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Claude would beat William Shatner in a fight.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
    Wow, a troll appears and everyone just rolls over and reponds. Haven't you people learned yet to just ignore the trolls and hypothetical situations and respond with silence?

    Unless this is a joint venture where everyone is working together trying to outdo the OP.

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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    Kind of amazed where this one went. But what the hell I love crap like this....

    First I don't agree with the shop owner for grabbing the guy in order to kick him out. There are ways to do that without touching anyone.

    But and this is a big but.... if your first response to violence is to act back in violence you won't get far in life. Too many personal friends of mine have ended up with bad lives, in jail, and yes even dead because they didn't get that point.

    I have a rule that was passed to me and I pass it to you.

    Never get into a violent situation unless you are ready to seriously hurt and/or kill someone. Because once a violent situation has escalated you need to be prepared for that possibility.

    You simply don't start or escalate something unless you are prepared for one of you to not walk away.

    In the OPs situation all him "fighting back" would have done would have got him arrested (or dead if the threat had any truth to it).

    EDIT: Removed a bunch of personal info on myself from this post.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

      I have a rule that was passed to me and I pass it to you.

      Never get into a violent situation unless you are ready to seriously hurt and/or kill someone. Because once a violent situation has escalated you need to be prepared for that possibility.

      You simply don't start or escalate something unless you are prepared for one of you to not walk away.

      In the OPs situation all him "fighting back" would have done would have got him arrested (or dead if the threat had any truth to it).

      EDIT:Removed a bunch of personal info on myself from this post.
      My Kung Fu instructor told me almost exactly the same thing. There are no fights. It's for keeps.

      In self defense classes, you see someone throw a punch, someone get them in an arm bar...and then the guy taps. It isn't like that in real life. There are grudges, unseen allies that will help your opponent, a hidden knife or gun.

      So it would take a lot for me to show aggression.

      Unless....you don't laugh at one of my jokes.
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      • Profile picture of the author fandbworld
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        My Kung Fu instructor told me almost exactly the same thing. There are no fights. It's for keeps.

        In self defense classes, you see someone throw a punch, someone get them in an arm bar...and then the guy taps. It isn't like that in real life. There are grudges, unseen allies that will help your opponent, a hidden knife or gun.

        So it would take a lot for me to show aggression.

        Unless....you don't laugh at one of my jokes.
        Lol looks like the guy got banned.

        Anyway, so much this. Anyone can be hiding a knife or a gun, you never know. On top of that, even if you weren't the one who initiated it and you beat them up you will probably still go to jail. Too much risk. I wrestled all through highschool, have been lifting for 10 years, and take MMA classes but still would never fight someone unless it was life threatening or extreme situations.

        Entertaining thread though ha
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by fandbworld View Post

          Lol looks like the guy got banned.
          Sad. Because I think the young man had potential. We just struck a nerve.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel LaRusso
    I don't believe this story is true. Not for a minute. It could be BASED on something that happened, but this story did not happen as you wrote it.

    But your point is still valid. What's the worst day you can have as a salesperson? People think that YOU can get rejected, but it's not really YOU, it's your message.

    And think about some other people, on their worst day.

    Soldiers and Marines are shot at every day. With the intent to be killed. THAT is something.
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    • Originally Posted by Daniel LaRusso View Post


      Soldiers and Marines are shot at every day. With the intent to be killed. THAT is something.
      Yup, and then if they come home due to a war injury, they might get overprescribed on heavy pain killers. I just saw a thing on the news that vets are getting way too many pain killers because the Vet's Admin doctors have too many patients, and it is easier to prescribe drugs. Many get addicted, and some OD from the drugs that are supposed to help them. Doesn't seem right for men and women that went to war to keep us free.
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
        Originally Posted by KingOfContentMarketing View Post

        Yup, and then if they come home due to a war injury, they might get overprescribed on heavy pain killers. I just saw a thing on the news that vets are getting way too many pain killers because the Vet's Admin doctors have too many patients, and it is easier to prescribe drugs. Many get addicted, and some OD from the drugs that are supposed to help them. Doesn't seem right for men and women that went to war to keep us free.
        I agree that it isn't right how badly we treat our vets. But it takes a far more gullible person to believe any recent US war was undertaken for the purpose of "keeping us free", than it does to believe the absurd story that started this thread . Haliburton knows what war is for, it would behoove the rest of us to be as realistic about it as they are.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Sorry, I know this is an old thread but I could not help but bring it back into light. Mainly because some of you guys here were gullible enough to buy into this Troll thread with a made up story by guess what ?? A troll !!


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    • Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      Sorry, I know this is an old thread but I could not help but bring it back into light. Mainly because some of you guys here were gullible enough to buy into this Troll thread with a made up story by guess what ?? A troll !!
      Robert
      Probably. Still entertaining.
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  • Profile picture of the author PrimaDNA1989
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    I can't help but think of what Anthony Robbins said "Stay committed to your decisions, but stay flexible in your approach."
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  • Profile picture of the author virtualwhispers
    I dont know if that story was true or not.... But that was the best darn laugh Ive had in a very long time... thanks for that

    And if it was true, you can only go up hill from there, just remember... never approach people that are on their way home from a hard days work... they dont want to be stopped by ANYTHING!
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    To the original poster.

    Your post conveys a huge lack of common sense, basic social skills, and most of all... BALLS.

    #1 - When a business has a closed sign lighting up... that generally means its CLOSED. People are trying to clean up, do paperwork, they are in a rush to go home, and no offense, but you are an idiot for walking in.

    #2 - If you are going to walk in, you better have a plan. Either act like a customer and ask "are you open?" or have something else prepared to say, but whatever you do.. don't stand by the front door like an awkward mute until someone approaches you. If I was the owner I would have thought you were getting ready to rob the place. Again, that is just sheer stupidity.

    #3 - Even after you had made 2 very stupid decisions, NEVER let someone put their hands on you under ANY circumstances (unless its the cops). If someone grabs your collar, you punch their hand away from your neck immediately then explain yourself or walk out. But when you allow someone to grab your collar for more than 1 second, you become their bitch and deserve to be treated like one.

    I'm having a real hard time believing this story is true. But if it is true, then I agree, offline is definitely NOT for you.

    There is a lot you can learn through practice. But you don't sound like you have the social or psychological capacity to do this for a living.

    Most of the time I'd tell a person not to be hard on themselves, or to suck it up and get out there again. But you sound like the type of person who should just stay in your home. No offense. But this story is that bad.

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  • Profile picture of the author TeamBringIt
    Originally Posted by dmaster555 View Post

    So it was 6PM and I noticed a "closed" sign on the window lighting up, but I saw that the door to enter was slightly cracked and there was some activity going on. I decided to take it upon myself to walk inside and hopefully this would be the golden moment to speak to an owner. Here's what happened:
    • -I walk two feet in the door
    • -I hear a very loud intercom system turn on

    Then I hear:

    "whoever just walked into my store betta get the hell outta here right now or you're leavin in a casket"

    I was completely confused and rather than leave, I stood looking around to see if maybe I could get a hold of someone.

    "What's your business here?!"

    I looked around not sure if I should respond by talking into the ceiling(where the intercom box was), or find where the person was located and actually talk to him.

    I moved a little further into the store and he repeated himself...

    "WHAT ARE YOU DOIN IN MY STORE, YOU DIDNT SEE THE SIGN!"

    So I yelled into the ceiling (scared that he would take some kind of violent action)

    "Im here to help you improve sales," I nervously mumbled...

    out of nowhere...literally couldn't tell where he came from...I felt a hand grab my by the collar and drag me out the door like a helpless ragdoll, my feet dragging on the floor.... I dropped my folder and pen and my shoe fell off, but it rolled out the door thankfully or I think he would've kept it... I felt completely pathetic, dehumanized. I didn't even bother to fight it. I let him drag me out because I just felt worthless..


    I left the house so confident..ready to finally make something of myself.. and here I am being dragged away by a short, fat guy who closely resembled Danny Devito.

    then he mumbled "sales my ass! you cant respect my godam business! I'll show you a sale!"

    and slammed the door shut.

    I waited by the building for about 15 min to get picked up..and a woman came out the building and said to me "get a job kid. or do ya want me to call my husband back out hea"

    I saw her throw something in the big trash bin and I had a good feeling it was my folder and pen.. sure enough, I went to check and she had threw my belongings in the trash.

    at this point you can imagine I felt like complete SH*T. I grabbed my stuff and walked a few blocks down to get away from the area. I honestly felt those people had it in for me..without even knowing my intentions.

    So, finally, my ride is late and I see a big black cadillac pulling up and slows down when it gets near me. The windows come down and it's the store owner.. He brings the window down and doesn't say a word for about 5 seconds.. then suddenly he honks the horn (it was VERY loud), I jump in fear and he starts laughing obnoxiously and drives off going like 60 MPH...

    Well, there's the end of my career.

    What was your worst day in IM?
    I'm sorry, but his store was closed and he made it clear that he wanted,no one in his store. We cannot tell why, he was the way he was, possibly tired or had a bad day at the business.

    You need to catch, these people in times that they DO want to talk and want to listen to what YOU have to say. The guy was an idiot, for grabbing you though. Don't let one bad apple, ruin it for you. You do get kudos, for staying around and not giving up though....
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by TeamBringIt View Post

      The guy was an idiot, for grabbing you though. Don't let one bad apple, ruin it for you. You do get kudos, for staying around and not giving up though....
      I agreed with you up until this point (aside from the fact that the story is almost certainly made up). Kudos are not in order for the character sticking around after being threatened with death if he didn't leave immediately. If anything, a Darwin award is in order.
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      • Profile picture of the author TeamBringIt
        Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

        I agreed with you up until this point (aside from the fact that the story is almost certainly made up). Kudos are not in order for the character sticking around after being threatened with death if he didn't leave immediately. If anything, a Darwin award is in order.
        My point was that he got kudos, for still staying in the store and wanting to sell...when he was told to get out. NOT, still staying there and wanting to sell when he was grabbed....
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        • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
          Originally Posted by TeamBringIt View Post

          My point was that he got kudos, for still staying in the store and wanting to sell...when he was told to get out. NOT, still staying there and wanting to sell when he was grabbed....
          So you didn't mean to praise him for staying once he was grabbed? I wouldn't think so, since in the story, that didn't happen. I think I understood you correctly the first time, and I still wonder why you're praising his stupidity. Perhaps because he demonstrated the persistence of a rabid dog, and if overcoming the fear of approach is the only consideration, yes he did that.

          But it isn't the only consideration. Persistence in the face of a demand to get off someone's property on pain of death, isn't a virtue; it's incredibly rude, stupid, and can't possibly lead to a sale. If the job of selling could be described as "go where you're not wanted, get in people's faces, and make sure they hate your guts as fast as possible", I'd say he succeeded with flying colors. Still no kudos; the character was rude and stupid from start to finish.
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          • Profile picture of the author socialentry
            Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

            But it isn't the only consideration. Persistence in the face of a demand to get off someone's property on pain of death, isn't a virtue; it's incredibly rude, stupid, and can't possibly lead to a sale. If the job of selling could be described as "go where you're not wanted, get in people's faces, and make sure they hate your guts as fast as possible", I'd say he succeeded with flying colors. Still no kudos; the character was rude and stupid from start to finish.
            Oh,the humanity.
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              Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

              Oh,the humanity.
              Right back at ya.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel LaRusso
    I can't believe any of you people are taking this post seriously. it's a good story, and that's about it
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  • Profile picture of the author ATAC
    Nice story but you have to use better judgment then that !
    As soon as the guy was rude and You sensed that he was not open to what I was offering You should have left and not attempted to sell them..

    See even if he was interested in one of your services? If the timing is not right, it will not happen!
    Try to avoid those kind of situations if I was you and do not try to talk to someone that is not interested to what you have to say at that time.

    What might I have said if I had to say something when he asked me what I was doing there !
    I would have said something like !

    I drive by this place all the time and you always seem to be very busy and tonight I seen the door open and was wondering if I could some back here in either Thursday or Friday this week to give you your free trial ?

    Then when he said free trial what free trial?
    I now have him in a better position and I have given him a out and if he answers my question on which day !

    I win because I didn't give him a choice of a no!

    You will find that it's always easier to sell to someone that is interested in what you have to offer so try starting there..

    Keep it up you will get there and remember when someone says no to you that it means you didn't give them enough information to say yes....
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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    What's funny is the amount of long responses to a clearly false story.
    Like where he says he went out to wait to be picked up but ran a couple blocks only to be found by the store owner who just stared at him and drove off. LOL O.K What happened to his ride? Clearly this is a test of human psychology, like Mac said. cool story but it is just a story.

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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    What, you didn't go back the next day and close him?

    Now, that's a story.
    LOL that would be a product in itself "Give me 10 seconds and I will show you how to close any client"
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  • Profile picture of the author Ethan F.
    Nice writing but, there's no way I would ever believe this story. No one is that retarded, sorry. Any human, even one with a double digit IQ, would walk out of that store immediately after what he said when you walked in, or never gone in, in the first place. I think you wrote this to get some response, and you've succeeded, congrats on that

    Edit: with how many people that believe this story, Wafo might be the easiest place to troll, ever
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