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I'm using canary yellow paper for the letter because I see very few sales letters that aren't on white paper.

I'm also using hand addressed, hand stamped, large pastel colored greeting card envelopes as well at $.11/each

And for the lumpy component a 3 1/2" frisbee (flying disc) with an attention getting, relevant headline on a label in the center of the disc. The discs were $.30 each shipping included and they're light so no added postage cost.

All together, less than a dollar each when you include ink and the canary paper. Obviously more labor with the handwriting and stamping but since they're going to highly targeted, cherry picked prospects, I'm only sending out less than a hundred.
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  • Cool. What's the hook line that ties in the disc?
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
    I can't remember exactly (they're in transit) but something like "Negative online reviews are costing you business".
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      Originally Posted by KingOfContentMarketing View Post

      What's the hook line that ties in the disc?
      Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

      Something like "Negative online reviews are costing you business".
      Really?

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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

      I can't remember exactly (they're in transit) but something like "Negative online reviews are costing you business".
      That message needs to be altered to make a connection conceptually with the item. Right now there's nothing connecting them.
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      • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
        Originally Posted by Greg guitar View Post

        That message needs to be altered to make a connection conceptually with the item. Right now there's nothing connecting them.
        Hi Greg,

        Thanks for the feedback. Just my opinion, but I think connecting item with message is a minor detail that has very little, if any, impact on the effectiveness of a campaign. Being witty doesn't sell services.

        The goal of the lumpy piece is really just to get the piece opened and the letter read. It would be nice to make that connection and I could have said something like "business is flying away" but I had 3 lines of 12 character each so I chose to be to the point with clarity rather than witty.
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        • Profile picture of the author ThePromotionalGuy
          Paul,

          So Halbert, Kennedy, Glazer and Lee are all wrong?

          Never conclude the connection doesn't matter. Every piece of your mailer must connect because every part in your mailer is relavent.

          Remember our opinions are not facts. Results from split testing reveal how effective your campaign outcome was.

          Once that campaign is over review the results, tweek it and send back out to test again.

          An oversight or dismissal of any part of your direct mail piece will cost you sales had every piece not been sown together.


          Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

          Hi Greg,

          Thanks for the feedback. Just my opinion, but I think connecting item with message is a minor detail that has very little, if any, impact on the effectiveness of a campaign. Being witty doesn't sell services.

          The goal of the lumpy piece is really just to get the piece opened and the letter read. It would be nice to make that connection and I could have said something like "business is flying away" but I had 3 lines of 12 character each so I chose to be to the point with clarity rather than witty.
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          • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
            I guess I just assumed that since most lumpy items I've seen don't even have any text attached and the connection is made in the sales letter, it would have very little impact.

            Does any one have any split test data on this?

            Originally Posted by ThePromotionalGuy View Post

            Paul,

            So Halbert, Kennedy, Glazer and Lee are all wrong?

            Never conclude the connection doesn't matter. Every piece of your mailer must connect because every part in your mailer is relavent.

            Remember our opinions are not facts. Results from split testing reveal how effective your campaign outcome was.

            Once that campaign is over review the results, tweek it and send back out to test again.

            An oversight or dismissal of any part of your direct mail piece will cost you sales had every piece not been sown together.
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            • Profile picture of the author ThePromotionalGuy
              Here is a test I did for a cleaning company.

              I purchased a very targeted mailing list of 300 new home owners that had made their purchase in less than 6 months and the homes were $300,000+.

              All of the sales letters had a headline, copy, offer but half of the letters I chose to not tie the lumpy piece in with the letter.

              Results: with tie in we closed 13 home owners. Without tie in we closed 0.

              Next round we sent sales letter to the group that did not close with tie in letter and another lumpy piece. This time we closed 4.

              But this testing was still incomplete by my standards but owner of cleaning company was satisfied with results and stopped the campaign.

              There was more that needed to be done but when the client says stop you have to stop.

              Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

              I guess I just assumed that since most lumpy items I've seen don't even have any text attached and the connection is made in the sales letter, it would have very little impact.

              Does any one have any split test data on this?
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        • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
          Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

          Hi Greg,

          Thanks for the feedback. Just my opinion, but I think connecting item with message is a minor detail that has very little, if any, impact on the effectiveness of a campaign. Being witty doesn't sell services.

          The goal of the lumpy piece is really just to get the piece opened and the letter read. It would be nice to make that connection and I could have said something like "business is flying away" but I had 3 lines of 12 character each so I chose to be to the point with clarity rather than witty.
          Just to be clear, the reason I mentioned it had nothing to do with wit.

          I also should clarify that I too am just getting started with lumpy mail, after having read about it, so I am not claiming any personal authority, other than the fact that I've read at least 4 good sources on the topic.

          Those sources, which I recommend, include Bill Glazer's chapter on the subject in his book, "Outrageous Advertising...", as well as in articles you can find in the newsletter and on the website of our local Glazer/Kennedy group leader, who also sells Dan Kennedy all of his lumpy mail trinkets, and I recall some of Dan Kennedy's words on the subject.

          If you're interested, the lumpy mail guy, Travis Lee, is a great resource on the topic, as well as a source for a bunch of different items that work well, and he even has a training course that includes a bunch of letters that tested well for different niches, to be adapted as you like. I am not a paid shill, just a customer and fan. His website is: 3DMail

          Every one of my sources made a big point about how each lumpy mail campaign's effectiveness is closely tied to how well you connected the message to the lumpy piece.

          I also was keenly aware of the great marketing lesson I was getting when Travis used it on me, which is what got me interested in the first place, because it did make me take notice in a big way; he used a plastic corked bottle with a scroll in it (message in a bottle), a vinyl bank deposit bag, a pill bottle, boomerang, etc, each time with a message connecting his reason for mailing with the object itself.

          You don't need to be a comedian; it's pretty easy to do; such as a pill bottle with a "prescription for increased profits", or a boomerang sent to straying customers with a "please come back" message. I think the message in a bottle implied I was "lost at sea", which to me is not that clever, So I think the main thing is just that it connects in some way people can understand; I don't think anyone needs to be Seinfeld funny to do a successful campaign.

          Anyway, I am pretty sure those guys all did a ton of testing to prove their premise, and the reason it seems to work so well is not that people are knocked out by the wit (although the stuff does tend to get a laugh, or at least a grin, out of most people, due I think, to the novelty), but because it answers the question that naturally comes to mind when you get something unexpected "why did he send me a boomerang (or Frisbee).

          But you have already taken action, so kudos, and I bet you get enough response to make it worthwhile; like you said, it will get opened. But I also bet you'll have even more success the next time, if you do connect the object to the message.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Lee
    Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

    I'm using canary yellow paper for the letter because I see very few sales letters that aren't on white paper.

    I'm also using hand addressed, hand stamped, large pastel colored greeting card envelopes as well at $.11/each

    And for the lumpy component a 3 1/2" frisbee (flying disc) with an attention getting, relevant headline on a label in the center of the disc. The discs were $.30 each shipping included and they're light so no added postage cost.

    All together, less than a dollar each when you include ink and the canary paper. Obviously more labor with the handwriting and stamping but since they're going to highly targeted, cherry picked prospects, I'm only sending out less than a hundred.
    Nice idea Paul. I take the same approach to lead generation - Cherry picking the ones you want to work with, and then just getting their attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author TakenAction
    What are you selling? Who's your target market? Average sale price? (just curious)
    When are you sending these out? Come back with results.
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  • Profile picture of the author MagneticKopy
    If you don't mind me asking... where are you getting your frisbees from?
    I'd PM you but I don't have enough posts.

    I'm a HUGE fan of Lumpy Mail.

    I'd really love to hear more on the story related to the frisbee.
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