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Hoping for help as I'm just (as the title of thread says)....TRAPPED! I lost my job after many (MANY) years and am now up against the 8 ball! I can't find a job nor do I want to work for someone else again either but I'm stuck!

I read these forums and see many good ideas (offline and online) by people who are really doing it and "fake it till you make it" types of people. It seems so many try to prey on people like me (I'm NOT easy prey!) with continued offers of riches, "now what's your credit card number?"

There are some that genuinely want to help here but most want to line their pockets with WSO's and/or consultation services, at best. I understand IF you are successful, your time is money but it's difficult because a lot of these guys are full of $hit to being with!

How in the hell are YOU going to make ME money if you can't even do it yourself!

I'm a smart and professional guy trying to get through this "transition" phase of my life and move onward and UPWARD to a place that I KNOW is waiting for me!

Can somebody......ANYBODY (and I'm talking legit successful) PLEASE point me in the right direction? I'm smart AND tech savvy and ready to take action but I clearly need direction.

Is there a REAL coach who has produced REAL results for REAL people anywhere to be found????
#trapped
  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    No, everyone is a fake.

    Look, don't buy WSOs if you don't want to. Nobody is forcing you to.

    There are plenty of completely FREE ideas and techniques here, which you can find using the Search option. But you have to get specific first. If you jump around, from thing to thing, hoping the next great idea will work, you won't get anywhere.

    Start with this:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...ake-money.html


    and then move on to this:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...click-see.html


    What skills do you have? How can you create value for other people?
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    • Profile picture of the author Marketsource
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      No, everyone is a fake.

      Look, don't buy WSOs if you don't want to. Nobody is forcing you to.
      Jason, I read your stuff and believe you are one of the exceptions here but let's be honest, there are a LOT of people here trying to line their pockets based on what they WISH to achieve rather then what they have actually achieved.

      I know my post is coming of as negative but it's really more from a point of frustration. Again, I have no problem paying someone for their time if they can actually DELIVER results (and no, I don't expect people to do it for me).

      I would love to be someones "case study".
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by Marketsource View Post

        Jason, I read your stuff and believe you are one of the exceptions here but let's be honest, there are a LOT of people here trying to line their pockets based on what they WISH to achieve rather then what they have actually achieved.

        I know my post is coming of as negative but it's really more from a point of frustration. Again, I have no problem paying someone for their time if they can actually DELIVER results (and no, I don't expect people to do it for me).

        I would love to be someones "case study".
        What can you do to create value for other people? Give us something to work with here, please.

        Skills, experience, unique point of view...that's what I'm looking for.

        I am going out for awhile but will check back on this when I return. If you can share publicly or privately some of these things, I make suggestions.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marketsource
          Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

          What can you do to create value for other people? Give us something to work with here, please.

          Skills, experience, unique point of view...that's what I'm looking for.
          I'm a sharp thinker. I'm very professional in both appearance and how I communicate with others. This comes from years of dealing and negotiating with CEO's, CFO's and other high level executives.

          I would love to answer your questions (What can you do to create value for other people?) but honestly, the many (MANY) people on this very forum who DO offer some kind of value proposition, had to start somewhere!

          So to ask, what MIGHT I be good at that can offer people value would be many things. Unfortunately, things that have not yet learned. I do love to help people and it's my nature to do so. Whether it be financial advice/opinions or computer related help, but I wouldn't consider myself an authority.

          A few things I would like to consider but just don't know how to implement from ground up are as follows,

          Local Lead Gen
          Web Design/SEO etc
          Affiliate Marketing
          Blogging
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          • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
            Originally Posted by Marketsource View Post

            This comes from years of dealing and negotiating with CEO's, CFO's and other high level executives.
            With regards to what?

            Project Management? Procurement? Finance?

            If you need $8kpm and were getting paid that then the company that employed you would have been making at least $12kpm just to break even having you. ie They made more than this selling you.

            So what were you doing in what field?

            Dan
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          • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
            Originally Posted by Marketsource View Post

            I'm a sharp thinker. I'm very professional in both appearance and how I communicate with others. This comes from years of dealing and negotiating with CEO's, CFO's and other high level executives.

            I would love to answer your questions (What can you do to create value for other people?) but honestly, the many (MANY) people on this very forum who DO offer some kind of value proposition, had to start somewhere!

            So to ask, what MIGHT I be good at that can offer people value would be many things. Unfortunately, things that have not yet learned. I do love to help people and it's my nature to do so. Whether it be financial advice/opinions or computer related help, but I wouldn't consider myself an authority.

            A few things I would like to consider but just don't know how to implement from ground up are as follows,

            Local Lead Gen
            Web Design/SEO etc
            Affiliate Marketing
            Blogging
            Work with what you've got, for starters. Don't try to reinvent the wheel or yourself. If you're good at talking to CXOs, you're ahead of most people. Use that as your door opener. I didn't become an IMer to start with; I figured out a way to offer my sales training skillset and learned IM tools as I went.

            What kinds of jobs did you have in the past?
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            • Profile picture of the author Marketsource
              Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

              What kinds of jobs did you have in the past?
              Typically management positions (client relations, C&C, etc). I have no problems cold calling. I recently found a company that was looking for commercial coll sales and felt I had HUGE potential. After cold calling for a week, I decided it just wasn't for me. Making 100+ calls per day is NOT easy and especially when you are "learning" sales! It wasn't for fear of rejection, it was just downright exhausting!!

              They had nothing to loose since it was strictly commish based but I had to move on because I just didn't believe in the model (and the biz was VERY unorganized). I started seeing more things as I went along that just didn't sit right with me.

              An important question is "Could I see myself doing this if I was successful"?

              For me, even if I was making $150k, it wasn't for me. Meanwhile, I could be on a PC for 12 hours a day and NOT have a problem with that!
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      • Profile picture of the author shockwave
        This idea has been discussed and beat to death before by myself and others, but in your situation, I would recommend local pay-per-call lead generation. IMO, it's the quickest way to make some decent money and has a pretty low barrier of entry (very little up-front cost).

        1. Slap up a 1-page lander with a STRONG call to action.
        2. Grab a call tracking number from CallFire.com
        3. Bust out 50-100 videos in your selected local area (for your selected niche).

        In most cases, your videos will start generating calls and rank faster than your website.

        Now you have the following options:
        1. Rent the site on a month-to-month basis with a nice down payment.
        2. Lease the site for 6 months to a year - no upfront.
        3. Sell the leads as they come through.
        4. Sell the site as a "done for you" marketing system.
        5. Offer a rev share program (a % of the sale once a sale is made). This is my least favorite for a number of reasons, but some people like it.

        Either way, you're biggest challenge isn't the mechanics of making it happen (assuming you are motivated and not lazy), it's finding someone who's willing to pay you money for one of those options mentioned above.

        This isn't theory my friend, I've done it over...and over...and over..and..you get the point.

        Good Luck!
        - Shockwave
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  • Profile picture of the author dmaster555
    It doesn't matter how bad you need or want it, the same rules apply in your situation. You said you've read a lot on the forums.

    1. Find a method of making money

    2. Take action

    3. Learn from taking action

    4. Take action better than last time with your new knowledge, repeat until you've made money.

    The take action part is beaten to death on this forum, but the in between of taking action ------ failing, you learn ALOT and each time you can build on those lessons you learned and do better next time. I'm sure this isn't the advice you wanted to hear, but that's how it works.

    You say you're ready to take action, but it sounds like you're just waiting for the answer to fall in your lap. You would've done something by now with all the info on this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author bob ross
    Any of us that are putting out products and are successful doing what we teach are going to want your money in exchange for help. We are businesspeople. There's no way we're going to spend any significant personal attention on someone without being paid for it whether or not they make it a success.

    Pick one of those things you want to do and do the best research you can on who are the experts are. Look for legit testimonials and feedback. If they seem to be trustworthy enough, contact them and ask what it would cost to pick their brain for an hour or so.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marketsource
      Originally Posted by bob ross View Post

      Any of us that are putting out products and are successful doing what we teach are going to want your money in exchange for help. We are businesspeople. There's no way we're going to spend any significant personal attention on someone without being paid for it whether or not they make it a success.
      I TOTALLY get that and respect it. In fact, I would never expect otherwise.
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by Marketsource View Post

        I'm a sharp thinker. I'm very professional in both appearance and how I communicate with others. This comes from years of dealing and negotiating with CEO's, CFO's and other high level executives.

        A few things I would like to consider but just don't know how to implement from ground up are as follows,

        Local Lead Gen
        Web Design/SEO etc
        Affiliate Marketing
        Blogging
        It's great to be a sharp thinker, but you may have a background where you were paid to over think. Maybe that is what is natural to you. When it comes to stuff like this, it isn't about perfect execution, it is about execution. You're going to make mistakes.. you're not going to know enough, and someone elses opinions and experiences aren't going to help in most cases.

        My recommendation, stay away from local lead gen. At least for now.. there are better ways to get some money coming in. Not saying lead gen is bad, but I wouldn't consider it as a way to really launch.

        How are you on money? I'm asking so I know what you can spend for your own marketing budget to bring in more money. Are you starting from absolutely no money? Do you have 1K? do you have 10K? When you have money, it is definitely easier to make money when the money is well spent.

        What do you want to make each month? What is the bare minimum you can make?

        If you're used to dealing with C level execs then you should be very confident in sales for yourself. Seems like the issue is just finding out what you really want to do. Let me know the answers to those questions and maybe we all could point you in the right direction.

        Save your money... you don't need a coach.
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        • Profile picture of the author Marketsource
          Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

          Save your money... you don't need a coach.
          I agree with several of the points made in your post. As I indicated, in an earlier post, I know I'm over thinking this.

          Coaching: I'm thinking from a technical aspect (creating email campaigns, landing pages, getting traffic, offers, etc) and being directed (at least in the beginning) as "Now that you understand HOW, implement step 1, step 2, step 3 and let's talk after that".
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          • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
            Originally Posted by Marketsource View Post

            I agree with several of the points made in your post. As I indicated, in an earlier post, I know I'm over thinking this.

            Coaching: I'm thinking from a technical aspect (creating email campaigns, landing pages, getting traffic, offers, etc) and being directed (at least in the beginning) as "Now that you understand HOW, implement step 1, step 2, step 3 and let's talk after that".
            But, you don't need any of that until you know what you want to do and who your target market is. Otherwise, you're creating more work for yourself than needed.

            What is the minimum amount of money you need to make? Also, what is your ideal income range?
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            • Profile picture of the author Marketsource
              Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

              But, you don't need any of that until you know what you want to do and who your target market is. Otherwise, you're creating more work for yourself than needed.

              What is the minimum amount of money you need to make? Also, what is your ideal income range?
              Much like you were able to look at the list I posted and realize there were better ways to make money then local lead gen (at least for now), I would need a bit of guidance there as well.

              I will say that I need to make approximately $8k per month. That is probably the most definitive answer I'm able to provide in this entire thread
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              • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
                Originally Posted by Marketsource View Post

                Much like you were able to look at the list I posted and realize there were better ways to make money then local lead gen (at least for now), I would need a bit of guidance there as well.

                I will say that I need to make approximately $8k per month. That is probably the most definitive answer I'm able to provide in this entire thread
                Bob Ross has a great thread about the 9x12 system, and even though I have never applied it (yet, planning the first mailing now) it seems to be something that would be easier to implement in terms of technical stuff, overhead, etc. with pretty decent profit margins. I think 2 cards/mo you would be at or above your 8k.

                You said you were interested in web design and seo. What interests you about it? Where are you right now in terms of knowledge? I have a feeling that is probably something you could get into but the learning curve is pretty high if you want to be effective.
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      • Profile picture of the author marc@clickbitz
        You are a someone who sounds like a good employee. That is very different than being a good business owner. The fundamental difference is that when you own a business there is no paycheque and no guarantee that you will be rewarded for your work.

        Your big challenge will be going from employee to employer - totally different mindsets.

        You keep asking for direction. It sounds to me like you are asking for some kind of guarantee... do this and it's the RIGHT thing to do.

        Get used to the idea that you will be taking risks and trying things that fail. There's no magic bullet.

        Fundamentally if you are offering value and reaching out to people who will understand and pay for that value, you are on the right track.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          I have a suggestion, if you don't mind working with NonProfit Organizations. I got this from Ron Rule. It explains every step of the process.

          No, I'm not an affiliate. No, it's not an afilliate link.

          Seriously, even though the page doesn't say it's about non-profits..it is. But you get scripts, sources of leads, and it's brain dead simple to sell.

          I even suggested to Ron that he should sell it as a business opportunity, not a report. No. I'm not doing it myself. The reasons are that my plate is pretty full to learn another business...and talking to someone that runs a Non-Profit just makes my stomach churn. Not my niche.

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        • Profile picture of the author katrim
          Originally Posted by marc@clickbitz View Post

          You are a someone who sounds like a good employee. That is very different than being a good business owner. The fundamental difference is that when you own a business there is no paycheque and no guarantee that you will be rewarded for your work.

          Your big challenge will be going from employee to employer - totally different mindsets.

          You keep asking for direction. It sounds to me like you are asking for some kind of guarantee... do this and it's the RIGHT thing to do.

          Get used to the idea that you will be taking risks and trying things that fail. There's no magic bullet.

          Fundamentally if you are offering value and reaching out to people who will understand and pay for that value, you are on the right track.
          This, this right here is quite a deep yet simple way of looking at things. I believe it really is about that in his case.
          I also know that I'm quite in the same position, I don't yet have the freedom and independence of taking action. Kids learn to walk, birds learn to fly and here I am with the same old mindset of needing to being told what to do.
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          • Profile picture of the author Marketsource
            Originally Posted by katrim View Post

            This, this right here is quite a deep yet simple way of looking at things. I believe it really is about that in his case.
            I also know that I'm quite in the same position, I don't yet have the freedom and independence of taking action. Kids learn to walk, birds learn to fly and here I am with the same old mindset of needing to being told what to do.
            That MAY be true but just like when a person starts searching for answers, he will usually find them. When you start questioning "your" purpose, that is a VERY important step! I HATED my job for quite a few years and basically went to collect a weekly paycheck.

            Did I offer value?....sure, I was very good at my job. I had things running (virtually) on auto-pilot. Now, as I make this transition, I'm asking questions and searching for something. I'm not 100% sure of "what" that something will be, but the fact that I am asking, I know I will find it. Good luck to you.
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            • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
              Originally Posted by Marketsource View Post

              Now, as I make this transition, I'm asking questions and searching for something. I'm not 100% sure of "what" that something will be, but the fact that I am asking, I know I will find it.
              Listen in to these interviews of people starting businesses while not knowing what it will be.

              Having a solid foundation on the principles
              was what guided them.

              A spark may be ignited just from listening in.

              http://thefoundation.com/podcasts/

              Best,
              Ewen
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Originally Posted by Marketsource View Post

    Is there a REAL coach who has produced REAL results for REAL people anywhere to be found????
    There are a few coaches here that can help. Heck, I have helped a few people go to 6 figure businesses starting with nothing, but it wasn't me that made them do it.

    Your issue isn't that you need a coach. You're wanting to be pointed in the right direction but it is you who needs to identify what direction you want to go. What interests you? What is your goal? What do you WANT out of this? If you were to find a legit coach, what would you want to get out of that? If it is just about money.... there are countless threads that will show you how to make money.. it rarely is about money though.

    A coach isn't going to produce real results for you...It isn't up to them. That's a big problem I would say 90% on this forum have. Nobody can produce real results for you except yourself. Accept that fact and you'll start being in a better position than the people still looking for someone to give them a shortcut.

    There are no short cuts. Nothing is easy. It NEVER is easy. The idiots that claim something is easy probably don't do it. Easy should not be in your lexicon. There are difficulties at every level. You just get through it to the next level of difficulties. If something is easy, then you haven't reached your potential, or even close.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marketsource
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      A coach isn't going to produce real results for you...It isn't up to them. That's a big problem I would say 90% on this forum have. Nobody can produce real results for you except yourself. Accept that fact and you'll start being in a better position than the people still looking for someone to give them a shortcut.
      See, that's the irony. I get that fact. I TOTALLY understand that it is ALL about taking action and most unsuccessful people (here and otherwise) usually won't.

      What I want/need is direction!

      Out of the things I listed above that interest me, let's take for example, local lead generation.

      If I were to say to a coach, "Ok, I'm interested in doing something with local lead generation but don't know where to start, guide me", I would (at least hope) to get the proper direction and start implementing said strategies.

      Sure, I can research and ask questions but sometimes, due to the overwhelming amount of information, you tend to get frustrated and never find the answers you're looking for. I know I'm probably making this more complicated then it needs to be but again, it's just very frustrating.
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    "middle-man"
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    • Profile picture of the author Marketsource
      Originally Posted by trader909 View Post

      "middle-man"
      ???????????
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    5 Things You Need To Do To Get What You Want:
    1. Set a clear outcome or intension of where you want to be in 90 days.
    2. Write it down and make sure it is written in a way that is so clear to you, you know you will achieve your outcome.
    3. Make a list of every resource you have available to help you reach your goals.
    4. Make a list of everything you don't have yet, but will help you attain your goals if you had the resources.
    5. Construct a Meta Strategy...a 'big picture' plan to impliment so that you will reach your outcome. Then...a Micro Strategy for all the steps you need to do in order to implement your strategy.

    Once you outline your outcome desired and strategy, choose a company that will support your goals. Look at the leadership, mentorship and training.
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