Most local businesses said my price was too high or they already have all their online prescence

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I live in a decent sized, fairly affluent seaside town in the UK. So I went out and walked round local businesses to see if I could market my 'online presence management' service to them, whereby I would set them up on social media and register them in all the popular business directories, etc, for £50. I asked the warriors here in a previous post about this, and everyone said my idea was good and that I should charge more, at least £99.

I also had the idea of leasing out lead generation sites to local businesses and be their SEO & social media marketing consultant, for £99 a month, or a mere £25 a week.

I had a tough time out there, though everyone was friendly enough. Basically, I see all these posts on here where people approach local businesses and walk out with a cheque for $1000 or whatever. You all make it sound so easy,but my real world experiences did not correlate with what people on this forum said.

My most common feedback from local business owners was:

1) 'We've already got our online presence sorted'/'We have everything we need'

2) 'We already have someone handling our website, social media, etc'

3) 'Your prices are too high for me. £25 a week is over £1000 a year. Spending that kind of money would scare me. Even spending £10 a week is expensive and risky for me' (This was what a pet shop owner said to me)

4) 'Who are you/what's your background? I wouldn't be comfortable handing over £50 to someone I don't know'

5) 'Most of my customers are elderly, therefore they don't have the internet, so spending money on internet presence would be a waste of time for me'.

6) 'I wouldn't need to pay someone to set me up on social media or in the main business directories because I can do it myself easily for free'.

So there you have it. Those were my real world experiences. I don't understand how £99 a month could be 'too high'.

Basically, it seems like most local businesses already have online presence, so there isn't as much demand for my service as I thought.

It also seems like most local businesses just don't have any money to spend, so there's no way I could walk out with a cheque for £1000 like the warriors on this forum seem to be able to do.

What am I doing wrong? Where are all these mythical businesses who will pay someone £1000 for helping them with their online marketing? There sure are none round here. They're all online already anyway, so there's no demand for my service.

Should I target lawyers, solicitors, accountants etc who can afford to pay real money for my services? My thought is that they'll all be set up online anyway, I mean no decent lawyer wouldn't have a website.

I'm not a quitter, but my results don't correlate with what you warriors say, so I need advice. I am a bit disillusioned.
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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    Just curious, but how many businesses did you visit?
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      The problem is that you are selling a website as a commodity. You aren't selling the income stream from the website.

      You are asking them the wrong questions.

      Objections are God's way of telling you where you are screwing up in the presentation.
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      • Profile picture of the author UK Wealth Wr
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The problem is that you are selling a website as a commodity. You aren't selling the income stream from the website.

        You are asking them the wrong questions.

        Objections are God's way of telling you where you are screwing up in the presentation.
        I told some of them a bit about how a lead generation site and an online presence can gain them more customers. I told them how an integrated email capture system and mailing list software can help them resell to their existing customers.

        Perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. Perhaps I gave up too easily on the others and should've carried on explaining to them.

        I know I need to improve my pitch.
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        • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
          Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

          I told some of them all about how a lead generation site and an online presence can gain them more customers. I told them how an integrated email capture system and mailing list software can help them resell to their existing customers.

          Perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. Perhaps I gave up too easily on the others and should've carried on explaining to them.

          I know I need to improve my pitch.
          Lead gen, email capture, etc... they likely just don't give a dang about that.

          Maybe include some actual numbers in your presentation. They will understand cost/profits.

          My honest guess is you are going in to sell these people rather than prospect for a fit. That is I don't see you qualifying them on anything and you are setting yourself up for rejection.
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          • Profile picture of the author UK Wealth Wr
            Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc View Post

            Lead gen, email capture, etc... they likely just don't give a dang about that.

            Maybe include some actual numbers in your presentation. They will understand cost/profits.

            My honest guess is you are going in to sell these people rather than prospect for a fit. That is I don't see you qualifying them on anything and you are setting yourself up for rejection.
            What do you mean by 'qualifying them'? Give me some examples. That sounds a bit vague to me.
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            • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
              Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

              What do you mean by 'qualifying them'? Give me some examples. That sounds a bit vague to me.
              You can apply this to walk-in's too. http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...-not-suck.html
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            • Profile picture of the author misterme
              Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

              I told some of them a bit about how a lead generation site and an online presence can gain them more customers.
              Yes but what does that mean to them? Longer hours working for more customers? Or getting the new car or putting their children through school? Or prestige in the business community or the better table at the pub? Or building up the business equity so they can sell it and retire to the Canary Islands. What do they want? Did you ask them?

              Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

              What do you mean by 'qualifying them'? Give me some examples. That sounds a bit vague to me.
              Besides maybe needing a website, and being able to pay, you want to find out if they're ready now to go ahead and want to go ahead or not. How badly do they want this? (not how badly do they want the website but actually, how badly do they want what they anticipate is the goal of having this website, as I mentioned above.)
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              • Profile picture of the author jayhmarketing
                Stick to one industry, one low cost solution, and find leads who will benefit from your solution. This approach qualifies and gets your foot in the door...

                Step 1:
                Google your industry: (example) cake decorator + location

                Step 2:
                Locate shops that are already spending money on advertising.... (low hanging fruit - they get that there's a need to spend on online marketing)

                Step 3:
                Visit their site, see if they have a problem which your solution fixes. (make a note of every problem you see for future reference. (Up sales)

                Step 4:
                Offer your low cost fix (undercut any competitors)<--Not the time for BIG profits.

                Step 5: Deliver results, even before getting paid if you have to, and contact later with up sales for other individual problems they may have with their online presence.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

          I told some of them a bit about how a lead generation site and an online presence can gain them more customers. I told them how an integrated email capture system and mailing list software can help them resell to their existing customers.

          Perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. Perhaps I gave up too easily on the others and should've carried on explaining to them.

          I know I need to improve my pitch.
          Not tell, ask.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
          Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

          I told some of them a bit about how a lead generation site and an online presence can gain them more customers. I told them how an integrated email capture system and mailing list software can help them resell to their existing customers.

          Perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. Perhaps I gave up too easily on the others and should've carried on explaining to them.

          I know I need to improve my pitch.
          With many businesses you've got to keep it simple with facts and figures. Will it make more money for them? Will it save them money?
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    • Profile picture of the author UK Wealth Wr
      Originally Posted by umc View Post

      Just curious, but how many businesses did you visit?
      About 15 or 20. Not enough I know, but it takes a lot of time walking round and visiting businesses in person. I should visit 100 or 200 or more I know. Tomorrow I'll visit a lot more.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
    Probably all of this was related to trust issues, or lack of it.

    Search posts from Jason Kanigan as he has hit on everything you are running into and explains very clearly what you are doing wrong (even tho you haven't posted your exact conversation you are having with these people, I have to assume you are missing some key ingredients).
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    • Profile picture of the author UK Wealth Wr
      Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc View Post

      Probably all of this was related to trust issues, or lack of it.

      Search posts from Jason Kanigan as he has hit on everything you are running into and explains very clearly what you are doing wrong (even tho you haven't posted your exact conversation you are having with these people, I have to assume you are missing some key ingredients).
      I walked in and said 'Hi there, can I ask you a quick question: do you have any online presence for your business?' (They reply 'yes' or 'no' or 'why?'). I then said 'The reason I ask is that I do online presence management for local businesses. I help set them up online on social media, the main business directories, etc, so they can gain more customers. So would you be interested in this?'.

      I then tell them about my lead generation website package. I will leave them with 2 A4 pages of info explaining a bit more about why they need this, which I printed out yesterday.

      I don't want to use fancy or phony sounding sales pitches which sound canned or rehearsed, I don't want to use so called 'techniques to convince people to buy', I don't want to trick or trap anyone into buying. I'm open to suggestions on improving my presentation, but only honest, no bullshit advice please. No phony or pie in the sky 'sales techniques' please.
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      • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
        Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

        I walked in and said 'Hi there, can I ask you a quick question:
        See here: Don't Ask if You May Ask Sales Questions. Just Ask - Smart Calling Blog
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      • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
        If this is the approach you took when you walked into a local business, then I would have to say that you are going to be turned down more often than not...all in your approach.

        A few reasons....First off, out of the entire conversation below, you use only 3 words that are helpful to a local business and you ramble a ton about things that they do not care about, do not understand or have an easy out to say no thank you.


        Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

        I walked in and said 'Hi there, can I ask you a quick question: do you have any online presence for your business?' (They reply 'yes' or 'no' or 'why?'). I then said 'The reason I ask is that I do online presence management for local businesses. I help set them up online on social media, the main business directories, etc, so they can gain more customers. So would you be interested in this?'.
        Those three words are "Gain More Customers". The rest, like asking if they have an online presense....If they do, then it is a no to you. If they don't then you are stuck explaining an online presense as much as gaining more customers. Social media, business directories, etc the same thing. If they do, they have another out to easily say no or reactively say no. If they don't, now you could be explaining what social media actually means or what a web business directory is all about.

        Then asking, "so are you interested?" instead of, "So are we going to work together to get you more customers through your door and drive more sales?"


        Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

        I then tell them about my lead generation website package. I will leave them with 2 A4 pages of info explaining a bit more about why they need this, which I printed out yesterday.
        If you are telling them about your lead generation package after all of this other talk, then the lead gen package is most likely already shut behind the large door of rejection with no hopes of getting out. You should either be selling them on Lead Generation services OR Online Presense Management. Too many service offerings start to confuse business owners and confusion is has a road leading directly to the word NO.

        Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

        I don't want to use fancy or phony sounding sales pitches which sound canned or rehearsed, I don't want to use so called 'techniques to convince people to buy', I don't want to trick or trap anyone into buying. I'm open to suggestions on improving my presentation, but only honest, no bullshit advice please. No phony or pie in the sky 'sales techniques' please.
        I understand about the phony sales pitches. I do not use tricky or trapping tactics. The thing is, from your original post and this one...your results are right on track for a non-rehearsed, non-confident and severally non-targeted sales pitch. Your sales pitch should be directly to the point of the problem/solution you are trying to help these businesses with...and that should not be getting them on social media. That is not a solution to any real world problem other than the addiction to cat memes.....

        You can provide lead generation services. SO walk in and ask if they need more phone calls for their services? Would they like to have 3 more phone calls a month, 10 more calls, 100 more calls? Well you can provide them with that through your exclusive "Direct Customer Calling Platform". What is that, they ask. Well you explain how they sign up for your service and you work diligently on the internet to do all of the technical internet things that as a business owner they do not have time to learn or do. This diligent work results in people calling their business for certain services that they offer and the business owner pays you for these phone calls. ...Then you ask, so would you like to work together in getting you more phone calls next month for services you offer?

        This approach weeds out many of the responses you received.

        My most common feedback from local business owners was:

        1) 'We've already got our online presence sorted'/'We have everything we need'

        I highly doubt they will have someone that currently sends targeted leads/phone calls to their business. And I do not know any REAL business owner that would say, "we have all the customer phoning us for services we sell, we do not need any more"

        2) 'We already have someone handling our website, social media, etc'

        You are not handling their assets, which anybody can do. Even their nephew that is in grade 10 can take care of a local business Facebook account, even if it is not doing it well. But they will most likely NOT have someone sending them more customers every month.

        3) 'Your prices are too high for me. £25 a week is over £1000 a year. Spending that kind of money would scare me. Even spending £10 a week is expensive and risky for me' (This was what a pet shop owner said to me)

        I love this one since it is directly related to selling THINGS like websites, social media, etc. Business owners will not pay a dime for something that they see no value in but if you tell them that for 4 new calls/customers/potential sales a month on average for $100 bucks a month. And on average each sale is worth $85 bucks, so for $100 a month they can bring in $340 bucks. Not many business owners will say no to that, even the super cheap pet shop owner.

        4) 'Who are you/what's your background? I wouldn't be comfortable handing over £50 to someone I don't know'

        You background is specializing in generating lead for businesses. If they would like more leads, then they can enter into a contract with you just like any other business.

        5) 'Most of my customers are elderly, therefore they don't have the internet, so spending money on internet presence would be a waste of time for me'.

        Again with the internet presence...Even if most of their customers are 100 years old...if you can provide them with more phone calls every month, would they be willing to pay for those leads/potential customers/potential sales? If not, then they are not a good business to work with...

        6) 'I wouldn't need to pay someone to set me up on social media or in the main business directories because I can do it myself easily for free'.

        That is completely try for the commodities you were talking to them about. IF they could get more leads/calls/potential customers from the internet for free themselves, then they would easily be growing their business exponentially month over month. Your specialize service, which they can not do for free since they have no idea as to how you actually generate the leads....comes at a price of X. If they want to keep struggling with the amount of calls they are getting by doing things themselves for "Free". Fine...If they want more calls, they can pay you....

        My whole post should give you the notion that it is all in your approach, nothing more and nothing less....Work on that and you will be fine.
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        • Profile picture of the author MarkJez
          Hi UK Wealth wr,

          I also live in the UK, so I can feel your pain!

          I hate to say it, but some biz owners in the UK seem to be overly sceptical and suspicious of unsolicited calls and walk-ins.

          They seem to be on guard - and think "What's the catch?".

          Rather than thinking "Wow, my business could really benefit from those ideas, they sometimes just look at the cost and not the ROI.

          Armed with this knowledge you need to approach them from a totally different angle. E.g. Instead of trying to find out what you can sell them, you first of all should be thinking about what you can GIVE them. Ideally, something which should impress the heck out of them, and completely remove the selling pressure from the encounter.

          Examples could be a FREE video for their business. Just take some video on your iphone of their business, or make a slide show video MovieMaker or Animoto. Upload it to YouTube and then give them the code.

          Another example could be a lead-gen website - let them try it for a month and see how they get on with the extra leads it generates.

          By offering something for free (or preferably a FREE trial) then you should find it opens doors for you that were otherwise closed.

          In addition, if you take away the "selling pressure" then the prospective client sometimes relaxes more and becomes more receptive towards you. This results in an improved working relationship and very importantly can get you instant referrals on the spot.

          I have tried the above and it works!

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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

        I walked in and said 'Hi there, can I ask you a quick question: do you have any online presence for your business?' (They reply 'yes' or 'no' or 'why?'). I then said 'The reason I ask is that I do online presence management for local businesses. I help set them up online on social media, the main business directories, etc, so they can gain more customers. So would you be interested in this?'.

        I then tell them about my lead generation website package. I will leave them with 2 A4 pages of info explaining a bit more about why they need this, which I printed out yesterday.

        I don't want to use fancy or phony sounding sales pitches which sound canned or rehearsed, I don't want to use so called 'techniques to convince people to buy', I don't want to trick or trap anyone into buying. I'm open to suggestions on improving my presentation, but only honest, no bullshit advice please. No phony or pie in the sky 'sales techniques' please.
        None of my stuff is like that; you might want to LOOK first.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...t-selling.html

    There is a list of posts in this one that likely address all of your issues. Rather than me attempt to 'splain it all, take some time and read thru these. They will help!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Neale
    Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

    I live in a decent sized, fairly affluent seaside town in the UK. So I went out and walked round local businesses to see if I could market my 'online presence management' service to them, whereby I would set them up on social media and register them in all the popular business directories, etc, for £50. I asked the warriors here in a previous post about this, and everyone said my idea was good and that I should charge more, at least £99.
    Do you have a business? A business card? A website? Are you just approaching them as an individual?

    Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

    I also had the idea of leasing out lead generation sites to local businesses and be their SEO & social media marketing consultant, for £99 a month, or a mere £25 a week.
    The first idea is a good one however lead gen is VERY difficult regardless of what you might read here. You need experience in the field. Do you have these sites in place? Do they generate leads? If not then your selling vapor.

    What qualifies you to be a Social Media Consultant or an SEO expert? Business owners get very good at spotting bull****. If you are truly and expert at these things then prove it to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author BWHadam
    Find a business/market need and fill it. See what is missing or how to add more value! you ll see the difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author TeamBringIt
    Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

    I live in a decent sized, fairly affluent seaside town in the UK. So I went out and walked round local businesses to see if I could market my 'online presence management' service to them, whereby I would set them up on social media and register them in all the popular business directories, etc, for £50. I asked the warriors here in a previous post about this, and everyone said my idea was good and that I should charge more, at least £99.

    I also had the idea of leasing out lead generation sites to local businesses and be their SEO & social media marketing consultant, for £99 a month, or a mere £25 a week.

    I had a tough time out there, though everyone was friendly enough. Basically, I see all these posts on here where people approach local businesses and walk out with a cheque for $1000 or whatever. You all make it sound so easy,but my real world experiences did not correlate with what people on this forum said.

    My most common feedback from local business owners was:

    1) 'We've already got our online presence sorted'/'We have everything we need'

    2) 'We already have someone handling our website, social media, etc'

    3) 'Your prices are too high for me. £25 a week is over £1000 a year. Spending that kind of money would scare me. Even spending £10 a week is expensive and risky for me' (This was what a pet shop owner said to me)

    4) 'Who are you/what's your background? I wouldn't be comfortable handing over £50 to someone I don't know'

    5) 'Most of my customers are elderly, therefore they don't have the internet, so spending money on internet presence would be a waste of time for me'.

    6) 'I wouldn't need to pay someone to set me up on social media or in the main business directories because I can do it myself easily for free'.

    So there you have it. Those were my real world experiences. I don't understand how £99 a month could be 'too high'.

    Basically, it seems like most local businesses already have online presence, so there isn't as much demand for my service as I thought.

    It also seems like most local businesses just don't have any money to spend, so there's no way I could walk out with a cheque for £1000 like the warriors on this forum seem to be able to do.

    What am I doing wrong? Where are all these mythical businesses who will pay someone £1000 for helping them with their online marketing? There sure are none round here. They're all online already anyway, so there's no demand for my service.

    Should I target lawyers, solicitors, accountants etc who can afford to pay real money for my services? My thought is that they'll all be set up online anyway, I mean no decent lawyer wouldn't have a website.

    I'm not a quitter, but my results don't correlate with what you warriors say, so I need advice. I am a bit disillusioned.
    Approach niches/sectors that won't complain. There are lots of businesses that know the value of, good marketing/advertising (pay good money, for it as well) and there are EVEN more that cannot afford, or do not know the value.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gladiator
    It doesn't matter what you sell! It comes down to closing and and giving them reasons to buy from you! When they give you a No or objections, it's a way of them saying "tel me more , why do I need this etc. " You answer is important on what you say, how you say it and what's in it for the buyer! What are they getting for the money, forget on pitching too much on the service you are selling talk about why they need and what they are getting out of it. In most cases the one call close does not work with some people, so basically let go and come back the next day, calling or whatever. Like fishing get them on the hook and tire them out before you bring them in! lol

    Also let's not forget that this is also a numbers game, you could pitch 10 people and close 2,5,7, or 0 it depends on how good your closing abilities are!

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    • Profile picture of the author shockwave
      Like others have said, most people don't care about websites, social media, or all the technical mumbo-jumbo. All they want is RESULTS. That means you might need to "dumb down" your sales pitch.

      The problem is, people who already have websites simply think they have everything handled. Their "we already have a web guy" is just a reaction to not wanting to be sold.

      Personally, I wouldn't try to sell lead generation to someone who isn't already doing it. The time it takes to educate a potential customer and actually get them on board far outweighs the amount you might get per lead. Unless you are dealing with high-transaction value leads (say roofing, windows, home sales...etc) OR you are giving your sales pitch as part of a presentation to a group of people all at once (like Claude does), it's simply too much of a time suck.

      If you are still dead set on the lead generation idea, then an alternative idea would be to join an affiliate network who offers lead generation programs for home services, industry, health, finance, dating.

      The good part of this is that you don't have to worry about finding new customers. The bad news is you will likely get paid less per lead, and you will only pay IF you deliver a lead that meets their lead criteria (form submit or Pay Per Call).
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    Basically, I see all these posts on here where people approach local businesses and walk out with a cheque for $1000 or whatever. You all make it sound so easy,but my real world experiences did not correlate with what people on this forum said.

    Well of course your experience is not similar , you are asking for peanuts and are getting the shells.

    You are being given lots of advice in this thread and the bulk of it is probably good, except that one KEY aspect is missing.

    Now dont get upset but the truth is
    YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER.

    1. You are not offering anything really specific just a concept of
    "online presence", SEO and social media consultant.
    What does this even mean to these people?

    2. WHO the F are you? I see no evidence and obviously neither do your prospects, that you have to ABILITY to do anything for them except take their money.

    I mean really what can you do specifically to HELP these people.
    Once you have an answer for that that you can get some checks. They wont be able to write it fast enough. Until then you are just another bloke coming in off the street with another BS hustle.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
      Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

      Basically, I see all these posts on here where people approach local businesses and walk out with a cheque for $1000 or whatever. You all make it sound so easy,but my real world experiences did not correlate with what people on this forum said.

      Well of course your experience is not similar , you are asking for peanuts and are getting the shells.

      You are being given lots of advice in this thread and the bulk of it is probably good, except that one KEY aspect is missing.

      Now dont get upset but the truth is
      YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER.

      1. You are not offering anything really specific just a concept of
      "online presence", SEO and social media consultant.
      What does this even mean to these people?

      2. WHO the F are you? I see no evidence and obviously neither do your prospects, that you have to ABILITY to do anything for them except take their money.

      I mean really what can you do specifically to HELP these people.
      Once you have an answer for that that you can get some checks. They wont be able to write it fast enough. Until then you are just another bloke coming in off the street with another BS hustle.
      I think you are correct. But these things have been mentioned:

      No trust.
      They don't care about this SEO mumbojumbo.
      The OP has not placed any monetary value on what the prospect is missing out on.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
        Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc View Post

        I think you are correct. But these things have been mentioned:

        No trust.
        They don't care about this SEO mumbojumbo.
        The OP has not placed any monetary value on what the prospect is missing out on.
        Im going a step beyond this and stating that I dont think this guy even has the knowledge or ability to help them.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrFume
    Thing is, most businesses are Hip about having a Facebook page, Twitter account & a website-the issue is not many of them are actually being active in their usage of these assets-so yes 'We're sorted thanks', BUT Are you getting any reaxction to your Facebook page, do you run specials, coupons, do you actually have an active presence or is it just a static page that sits there looking pretty? Most business owners on the high street like to think they are up with all of this. But most of them just don't get it, not really-BUT you end up arguing with them because they do not like to think they are not 'Hip'-it is the old ego situation. So you have to modify your approach and think of ways to add value-demonstrate how you can dynamically manage their social media so it actually does something for their business-not just there for the sake of having it (to be like everyone else) How many high street biz's use Youtube to advertise? Yep it is tough-you have to be creative.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
    Claude Whitacre:
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    • Profile picture of the author BrashImpact
      Positioning, you need to come across as the Prize! Right now your doing nothing more than making things a commodity. Your knowledge is the prize.

      Why not send out a Positioning letter via direct mail. You want people responding to you, not the other way around.

      Before you do anything else... Heed Jason's Kanigans advice, and i would highly recommend you become a student of Oren Klaff.

      Nothing in this world happens until something is sold... PERIOD!
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        If you have the skills to deliver "online presence," shop your competition. Go to yodle.com and such sites and have them pitch you. With Yodle, pay attention. They have a much better than you pitch... You might not like the results of their ppc and SEO, but you can skip a few learning levels in the half hour their pitch takes.

        As far as your pitch goes... besides what's been said, you make too many assumptions about what words mean. For some people, online presence means that their company name pops up 1st when they Google it. They don't care on whose site. For some, it means having a website. For some, having a Facebook page, etc.

        PS Yodle's basic package goes for a bit over $1000 (they'll cut it down to $1000 and change if you object) a month, 3 months minimum commitment.

        PPS I know about Yodle because I followed my advice and sat in on a pitch them made a mortgage company.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Shaw
    Hi mate - I have done the same thing in my home town (UK) and ran in to the same problems. So I changed tact and ranked one page one for common keywords and then showed them as part of the pitch "look the site is on page one and is getting targeted traffic your business needs" - Also your prices are to high... I charge £20 per month per site but rank 100's of such sites. - The best way to pitch is with a laptop or tablet and show them how people would look for their business and where they actually show up then show them where you can instantly put them.. Most of the time they think being on yell is enough. Give me a shout if you need some local help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dizain
    Good job for going and talking to biz owners. Not a lot of ppl can do that. Now u just need to follow the advices above and u should be fine. Good luck
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  • Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

    Basically, it seems like most local businesses already have online presence, so there isn't as much demand for my service as I thought.

    It also seems like most local businesses just don't have any money to spend, so there's no way I could walk out with a cheque for £1000 like the warriors on this forum seem to be able to do.
    Back when I still personally worked on clients. I charged Dentists $3500 for a Local SEO package. Never cold called. Never prospected. Never a dime in advertising.

    They all came to me. I also never "closed" a sale and never had time to follow up even. And was doing 20K a month, by myself with no advertising and no staff.

    So it's all in how you market yourself and then how you present and package what you have to offer.

    But it think if you have to resort to prospecting and cold calling, you hit a lot of folks that either don't understand the value OR who have been hammered my lots of low price, high pressure SEOs that promise the world and don't deliver. So those guys make it really hard to prospect and get anywhere.

    An idea I had the other day... What if you picked a couple niches in your market. Hopefully niches you can relate to and know something about. Maybe an industry you used to work in so you can talk the talk...

    Then find companies that have Adwords ads but DON'T rank on page one.

    So right there you know they are into marketing and currently have a budget. Then if you are really good at Local SEO and Google Places Optimization tell show them how you could get them on page 1 (if you think you have the knowledge to) for less than they are spending on Adwords.

    Again, that's just an idea. I don't know how it would work and the amount they spend would vary based on market and ad budget. But just a thought...
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    • Profile picture of the author luckydeano
      Originally Posted by Catalyst eMarketing View Post


      Then find companies that have Adwords ads but DON'T rank on page one.
      These are my clients leave it out! Shhhhhhhhhh
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      • Profile picture of the author uncommonfavor
        As a small business owner, I get a lot of calls from telemarketers wanting to sell me all the things you listed in your post and I was not interested.

        One day, I got a call from some guy who asked me what i was doing to improve my sales. He told me how bad the economy is and how hard it is for small businesses to grow sales. This is of course my pain point and I was eager to listen for more.
        Before I knew it, he was selling me some list, risk free with no money down. All I had to do was pay him after 2 weeks and with a money back guarantee.

        I went ahead and signed up thinking that was my lucky break. I got the mailing list in the mail but before I could sit down to implement what he wanted was a month. It took me another 2 months to find out the whole thing was completely useless. I cancelled after month 3.

        Just imagine if what he sold me was working, I would purchase even more services and recommend him to other small business owners.

        You see, don't sell the means to an end, sell the end. Most small business owners don't really care about online presence per se, all they care about is increased sales and more revenue. That is a huge pain point for a small business owner.

        The key is, identify pain points, then position yourself or services to solve these.

        Research the industry or business, understand their pain points, then craft your services around those pain points.
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  • Profile picture of the author David B.
    Yes Research first if they are spending money or have web presence......or take a tablet/smartphone with so you can do quick research on the go of the businesses in the area you are visiting.....so when they "have all web presence we need" then say "can you show me because I can't find any mention of your business on the web."
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Very interesting thread indeed. Having lived and worked in a nice little seaside town for a number of years there is a factor here, that may have been overlooked. and that would be timing. Seaside communities in January February don't make much money. Actually if they are mom and pop type shops have saved from last year to get through this time of year. So you are working with a perception of money being tight.

      Typically on the East Coast USA this tends to ease up a bit after Valentines day, but its hard to sell "New" services before mid April to early May. Keep in mind I am talking "little" shops here. You should be able to hit the mid to larger ones and get results any time of year, and they actually prefer 'Off Season' for these things, so they have more time to work with them.

      Hope that Helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author RussellW
    Originally Posted by UK Wealth Wr View Post

    I live in a decent sized, fairly affluent seaside town in the UK....

    What am I doing wrong? Where are all these mythical businesses who will pay someone £1000 for helping them with their online marketing? There sure are none round here. They're all online already anyway, so there's no demand for my service.

    Should I target lawyers, solicitors, accountants etc who can afford to pay real money for my services? My thought is that they'll all be set up online anyway, I mean no decent lawyer wouldn't have a website.

    I'm not a quitter, but my results don't correlate with what you warriors say, so I need advice. I am a bit disillusioned.
    Lots of good feedback in this thread already.

    I'd just say (and alluded to already) firstly before offering yourself to these businesses you should get some definite 'social proof'.

    As in you can show 'you am who you say you am' and can do what you say you do, profitably.

    This'll go part of the way to answering that first major 'why'?

    "Why should I trust you and do business with you?".

    Nextly I suggest you look for a local business. One you may know. And offer to do a freebie for them. This'll show off your skills. As long as they agree you can use them as a case study to back up that proof.

    Next point is that a lot of smaller businesses are pretty tight. And want it all for real cheap. They'll nickel and dime you to death if you let them.

    So you'll need to show definite results - Back to the social proof, credibility, track record etc.

    Once you get a track record of success you can target businesses that are in higher-profit sectors. And who are used to paying well for excellent results.

    Particularly businesses that understand that marketing is an investment and not a cost.

    Alternatively you can get those businesses window's put through. And then go back and offer to replace them (be quick!) - You'll get better immediate results that's for sure and they won't be cheap about it neither...
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by RussellW View Post

      Alternatively you can get those businesses window's put through. And then go back and offer to replace them (be quick!) - You'll get better immediate results that's for sure and they won't be cheap about it neither...
      Absolutely ruthless, but funny! actually REAL funny.
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