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Why women business school graduates earn less than men.

Babcock School Of Business graduates when offered jobs...

7% of women asked for more money
57% of men asked for more money

Human resource people had the money available and go in with a lower offer so as to
make the job seeker happier who asks for it, researchers found.

Barriers to more money are self imposed.

We can go to firms who have more money
or stay stuck with those with less zeros on their income statement..

Giving them a way to increase profits can be just as easy as to do with a small firm.

Upsizing doesn't mean you get fatter,
unless you are thinking of your bank account.

Best,
Ewen
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    You don't get what you don't ask for!
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    Cool... I didn't expect the gap to be that big!
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

    Why women business school graduates earn less than men.

    Babcock School Of Business graduates when offered jobs...

    7% of women asked for more money
    57% of men asked for more money

    Human resource people had the money available and go in with a lower offer so as to
    make the job seeker happier who asks for it, researchers found.

    Barriers to more money are self imposed.

    We can go to firms who have more money
    or stay stuck with those with less zeros on their income statement..

    Giving them a way to increase profits can be just as easy as to do with a small firm.

    Upsizing doesn't mean you get fatter,
    unless you are thinking of your bank account.

    Best,
    Ewen
    That's just the beginning. Women also don't ask for raises as often, and when they do..they accept less.

    Of course, this is all just averages based on thousands of files.

    Men and women tend to be offered the same amount of money, at the beginning.

    The book Business Brilliant, explains all these studies, and their results, in great detail. It was eye opening.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      That's just the beginning. Women also don't ask for raises as often, and when they do..they accept less.

      Of course, this is all just averages based on thousands of files.

      Men and women tend to be offered the same amount of money, at the beginning.

      The book Business Brilliant, explains all these studies, and their results, in great detail. It was eye opening.
      It was Business Brilliant that I discovered this study.

      In the mainstream media there is talk about the unfair gap between men and women's
      salary. Media reports read like women are victims of others. This and other studies now show they are victims of not being street-smart.

      You don't get what you don't ask as the old saying goes.

      Best,
      Ewen
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        It was Business Brilliant that I discovered this study.

        In the mainstream media there is talk about the unfair gap between men and women's
        salary. Media reports read like women are victims of others. This and other studies now show they are victims of not being street-smart.

        You don't get what you don't ask as the old saying goes.

        Best,
        Ewen
        Ewen; Most of my friends are business owners. I've actually asked several if they ever pay a woman less than a man for the same job. There is no reason for them to lie to me. They all say "No". But we have all heard about the wage discrepancy.

        And I wonder how many other "Truth" we accept from the media, that are either flat out wrong, or are misleading?

        The fact is that gender matters in aptitude (in large test samples). Sometimes it favors women, sometimes men.

        And about the salaries? The difference, when hired, is only a few percent. But every time a raise is negotiated...the difference widens. Eventually, it looks like a crime against the employees.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Lessard
    I observed something interesting in my time at larger corporations and then as I watched the careers of those I worked with as they went from worker, to mid level management and then on to VP status. Not a scientific study by any means but just personal experience. Here is what I noted.

    On average the ladies that went through this were often keen to accept new responsibilities often without the title you would expect. I recall seeing many ladies doing jobs that did not include the title one would expect but not so much the other way around. Next, for the ladies often the tittle was received with very little in the way of added compensation. They seemed content with being in charge of new things or achieving a higher title without being particularly fixated on salary.

    On average the males that went through the same process seemed to have a knee jerk reaction to new responsibility. I was part of and heard more conversations about "well they better be ready to pay for that" or "if they want me to step up there better be a raise in it and a title" if a male was the subject.

    Again this is by no means a scientific study of the different psychologies and I was not exposed to a huge sample but my personal experience and impressions are that the males and females I have known have reacted very differently to moving up the chain.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Regal
    It depends on the location, some women do better in different countries. Like Canada for instance, Toronto in particular has a workplace filled with women. But then again money comes second to a majority of women on this planet....
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Lessard
      Originally Posted by John Regal View Post

      It depends on the location, some women do better in different countries. Like Canada for instance, Toronto in particular has a workplace filled with women. But then again money comes second to a majority of women on this planet....
      Actually my observations were in Canada though of course I would agree that there can be higher levels of inequality based on geography.
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