HTML 5 and the future

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I used to program in many languages (including C++ and Java) but now just stick with good old marketing (too long in the tooth to remember all those threads).

It is pretty obvious to me that the scene is changing. Adobe Air and Java for example have had their day. Flash's days are numbered too if you look at what the largest players are saying.

It seems to me that HTML 5 is the way to go for the future (once some of the missing libraries appear and the browsers get their collective hats together).
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  • Profile picture of the author CoursesWeb
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    From my opinion, for Web Development it is good to learn, or start to learn HTML5, CSS3, and JavaScript.
    I think that JavaScript is the scripting language that will be very long needed in web pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author Techology
    Yes I agree completely. Have you read any good books on the subject? I see there are loads to be published in the future if you look on Amazon. Interesting times.
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  • Profile picture of the author SirKonstantine
    Introducing HTML5: Bruce Lawson and Remy Sharp

    Great guide to transition you from xHTML to HTML5.

    http://programming-mother****er.com/become.html

    Has tons of good guides as well. Best thing is that they are free.
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  • Profile picture of the author Techology
    Thanks SirKonstantine. Really good.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnnyS
    I think the future will be all applications will be all online, eliminating desktop apps the only thing you need is a browser. Desktop applications such as document and image processors will be a thing of the past, although the features of web-based apps are still limited, there will come a time that everything will be available online and HTML5 will bring this to us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Techology
    It's kinda like going back to the mainframe days with dumb terminals. Whoever owns the infrastructure owns it all. I think this is why Amazon are putting so much money into it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Brian
    The problem with web development is that languages changes rapidly. It is safe to say that in the next 10 years, what you just learned now is already obsolete or at least deprecated.

    I would personally stick to one language and master it so that the next version will be easier to adapt with. As with HTML5, it is quite easy. I think it made HTML4 look complex.
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  • Profile picture of the author lacrux2000
    I switched to coding with HTML5 a couple of months ago and it is fairly easy and has a huge potential. Unfortunately it isn't fully cross browser compatible yet but that should hopefully change when IE10 arrives.

    In conjunction with CSS3 and JQuery you can code pretty awesome sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Techology
    Yes, I saw an infographic recently that showed IE was way behind everyone else. I think IE8 was only 28% compatible, whereas Chrome, Firefox, Safari and Opera were all around 70-80%.
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    • Profile picture of the author steveproxy
      Originally Posted by Techology View Post

      Yes, I saw an infographic recently that showed IE was way behind everyone else. I think IE8 was only 28% compatible, whereas Chrome, Firefox, Safari and Opera were all around 70-80%.
      Agree Html 5 will take a long time before it is accepted by our society. People look at software very hard before they buy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Techology
    Very interesting stuff Ricardo. Thanks. Here's the Wiki link: Deep content inspection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
    Html5 and Javascript are the primary underlying scripting behind mobile applications. If you want to develop for mobile then learn html5, js and jQuery mobile along with CSS3.

    Flash is NOT going away anytime soon but it is true it does not work on many mobile devices.
    Html5 is not 100% supported in any browser, IE or other and there are differences between browsers in how parts of html5 work.

    Desktop computers are NOT going away either, talk of replacing laptops or desktop computers with tablets or the new hybrid devices is not really accurate. Adding these new devices and relying less on main computer systems is happening it does not REPLACE them. There are things that you just can't do with tablet devices you must have a computer for and that will never change.

    If you currently develop with flash and you have Adobe software the current versions allow you to export out in Flash, Html5 and for specific mobile devices all at the same time for the same application.

    What you need to focus on when developing for the web is fall back. If a certain feature in whatever technology you are using is not supported then fall back gracefully to something that does work. It is about provding user experience and delivering the content in the way intended. Fall backs may not work exactly as intended but you can get "close enough" and your application or feature wont just not work, there will be something there that presents the information to the end user.

    Html5 as a specification is also NOT completed so it is still in development, things will change in the future. Somethings are pretty well solid but others, not yet.

    Right now and for at least the next several years there will not be a 100% solution that is cross browser. The best thing to that is libraries like jQuery and jQuery Mobile that handle the cross platform for you to a large extent so you just focus on content and let libraries and api's do the heavy lifting so you don't have to spend all your time coding cross platform.
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  • Profile picture of the author seokid
    I think the future will be all applications will be all online, eliminating desktop apps the only thing you need is a browser to operate a web apps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
      Originally Posted by seokid View Post

      I think the future will be all applications will be all online, eliminating desktop apps the only thing you need is a browser to operate a web apps.

      Steve Jobs and Apple have been pushing that for years. Windows 8 operating system is seriously pushing that direction as well.

      Personally, I don't think this will happen. There are too many things you MUST have local copies for, too many software that is not replaceable with online only versions.

      The main thing against this "idea" is what happens when your internet goes down? AND you are on a deadline.

      Security still is not close to actually what I would call, secure when it comes to storing online content. The banks can't even keep their customers records from being hacked and it is 2012. Look at the last major breach this month to prove my point on security.

      Google came out and blatantly stated they are going to use the content you upload to their cloud services anyway they want including sell advertising.

      The most current online cloud launch that I agree with is Adobe's creative cloud product where they have many of their software titles available for download and install on your local computer. They update the software regularly, add more titles and you choose when and what you install. It all runs locally with additional cloud based services for storing and sharing your content with others you work with and/or the public.

      That kind of thing I like but going 100% online and just having a dumb terminal connected to the internet I personally can't see that working. There are currently online versions of photoshop which works this way but there is also a big difference in features vs the online and offline version.

      For the vast majority of businesses going 100% online is not going to cut it, especially when security is mandatory. Many people that just do email or publish blogs, sure yeah they do that now but this idea of 100% online is not going to be a reality and the companies that are forcing this issue I honestly feel there will be a massive revolt and huge back peddling if forced down that route.

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  • Profile picture of the author patthomson6174
    HTML5 is the future. Microsoft has changed it's strategy towards HTML5.
    If HTML5 fails, then will microsoft
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  • Profile picture of the author Techology
    Great post Terry. I was talking about that with a few people the other day. Some industries require a big screen and a proper keyboard (data entry and design for example).

    The 'set top box' of the early 90's was going to 'take over the world' as I recall. Everything delivered through your TV. All that is still very possible of course.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
      Originally Posted by Techology View Post

      Great post Terry. I was talking about that with a few people the other day. Some industries require a big screen and a proper keyboard (data entry and design for example).

      The 'set top box' of the early 90's was going to 'take over the world' as I recall. Everything delivered through your TV. All that is still very possible of course.

      If you have a DVD or Blueray player there are A LOT of interaxctivity with the web built-in. The new television screens also have voice integration and webcams that allow for control directly through hand and arm movements. You can also "type" via the remote control on some models.

      Still isn't going to replace the laptop or desktop computers.

      Look at usage of these internet connected devices, what and how do people actually use them and what limits do they have? It might be nice to be able to quickly look up information about sports scores, read twitter or facebook but there is no way you are going to replace your main computer or even tablet device with your television set. Not going to happen I don't care what year it is.

      I personally have actually replaced my television with my computer and computer monitors though. Go figure.

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  • Profile picture of the author Techology
    Ooops, double posted this!
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  • Hi there

    Yes surely great future with HTML5. More or less every one is shifting to new technology. HTML 5 is one of that. We are using in some website.
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  • Profile picture of the author abacies
    Hello Mates,
    Every one started using HTML5, the fact it is still in draft stage and it going to be standardized in year 2022 or later.
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  • Profile picture of the author anconsoft
    I heard even the focus of the mobile world is turning to HTML5. Right now, HTML5 is positioning itself to be the No. 3 mobile platform behind Apple’s iOS and Google’s Android, the two most widely-used native app platforms.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
      Originally Posted by anconsoft View Post

      I heard even the focus of the mobile world is turning to HTML5. Right now, HTML5 is positioning itself to be the No. 3 mobile platform behind Apple's iOS and Google's Android, the two most widely-used native app platforms.

      As far as I know, ALL mobile devices consume html5 and javascript as their standard for online content. Windows 8 is also heavily html5 and javascript based with their widgets and apps for internet.

      Android is able to use flash, Ios not capable but you can create the same content in both versions.

      The idea of strictly desktop or the web has blurred and most devices integrate local software and applications that consume web content. Though it is still different than being 100% online all the time with everything. If I disconnect my tablet from the internet I still can work offline and play games, I don't have to be connected all the time as commented above in another post.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnnyDeez
        While the tech and web industry is constantly evolving, and seemingly at a faster and faster pace (Moores Law), I see the number of programming languages expanding, as opposed to contracting. Yes, many will fall by the wayside, but I think a more likely possibility is the addition of languages and the reduction of use in older technology.

        I would liken this scenario to that of Books 10 years ago, and radio 20 years ago. Everyone was worried that the two would disappear because something better came along (Kindle, Epub, Mp3, Napster, Pandora, Spotify). The reality though, is that the old mediums just lost market share. People still listen to the radio.

        Yes, some programming languages do end up in the gutter (most will someday). But it's a slow and fluid process, with lots of crossover.
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  • Profile picture of the author hitmobi
    Oh i can't wait for the day i can use HTML 5 and CSS3 on a daily basis. Right now the problem is that people still use old browsers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
      Originally Posted by hitmobi View Post

      Oh i can't wait for the day i can use HTML 5 and CSS3 on a daily basis. Right now the problem is that people still use old browsers.

      You can if you want to, there are work arounds for the older browsers, even for IE6. Check out ==> html5shim - HTML5 IE enabling script - Google Project Hosting

      There are other similar projects out there as well.

      The problem is not just older browsers but with operating systems as well, XP will NOT work with any IE version over 8. Even if you wanted to use IE9 or the beta for IE10 you can't, they won't work or at least are not available for direct download for XP.

      I am sort of in a forced upgrade anyway but if you are a PC user the minimum operating system you must have now is windows 7 to get access to the newest technology for the web. IF you are using IE, which actually quite a lot of people are.
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      • Profile picture of the author Techology
        Originally Posted by Terry Crim View Post

        IF you are using IE, which actually quite a lot of people are.
        Here's some stats from a typical site of mine:
        1. Internet Explorer 1,439 43.01%

        2. Chrome 659 19.70%
        3. Safari 541 16.17%
        4. Firefox 505 15.09%
        5. Android Browser 109 3.26%
        6. Mozilla Compatible Agent 44 1.32%
        7. Opera 14 0.42%
        8. Opera Mini 14 0.42%
        9. BlackBerry9300 5 0.15%
        10. IE with Chrome Frame 5 0.15%

        IE is very strong.
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      • Profile picture of the author hitmobi
        Originally Posted by Terry Crim View Post

        You can if you want to, there are work arounds for the older browsers, even for IE6. Check out ==> html5shim - HTML5 IE enabling script - Google Project Hosting

        There are other similar projects out there as well.

        The problem is not just older browsers but with operating systems as well, XP will NOT work with any IE version over 8. Even if you wanted to use IE9 or the beta for IE10 you can't, they won't work or at least are not available for direct download for XP.

        I am sort of in a forced upgrade anyway but if you are a PC user the minimum operating system you must have now is windows 7 to get access to the newest technology for the web. IF you are using IE, which actually quite a lot of people are.
        Yes, those scripts are a possibility but experience shows that when you have really complicated scripts yourself, together they tend to have unexpected results. Don't get me wrong - I still use them though.
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  • Profile picture of the author clairejoannah
    Usually it is IE then Chrome then firefox then safari

    If microsoft never bundled every version of windows with internet explorer they would be long gone years ago
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    • Profile picture of the author madelinekim
      As per my view HTML 5 is gaming platform not like the flash. HTML5 can be used with other technologies. It is now a days display used as technology known as ideal unifying.
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  • Profile picture of the author rising_sun
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    I think it will be a new weapon for the web application.May be it has some drawback but it is a basic language for "ePub3",it is written in HTML5.
    It shows a new rod to gaming."Private Joe" , I love this game it is by HTML5." cut the rope" it is another one,is it bad?

    So it has some unique feature that can give it an strong existence.
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  • Profile picture of the author jmartinez
    Html5 is the future. By html5 I mean html5, css3, and javascript. Everything is trending towards it. Microsoft will be releasing the new version of windows in October and for the first time you can build native apps for Windows in html5. Hybrid apps can be built using it as well (iphone, ipad, andriod, etc..). Add to this the web tv market and even apps for cars. It's all revolving around html5. Most market research reports point out this trend as well. Good news for web developers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Workman
      Originally Posted by jmartinez View Post

      Html5 is the future. By html5 I mean html5, css3, and javascript. Everything is trending towards it. Microsoft will be releasing the new version of windows in October and for the first time you can build native apps for Windows in html5. Hybrid apps can be built using it as well (iphone, ipad, andriod, etc..). Add to this the web tv market and even apps for cars. It's all revolving around html5. Most market research reports point out this trend as well. Good news for web developers.
      And it's exciting!

      More and more features that only desktop apps were once capable of integrated into the browser platform backed by the web. We're beginning to see some very exciting developments due to these changes including support for 3D rendering via WebGL and bitmap drawing though <canvas>. With Local storage, you could see entire web apps downloaded to your computer. Eventually browsers may even download and compile the web applications so that they are treated like first-class desktop applications.
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  • Profile picture of the author Techology
    Strategy Analytics forecast that HTML5 enabled mobile devices will top a billion next year. The future is indeed HTML5. I also noticed that the W3C have set a new recommended release date of a test suite for 2014. Things are moving faster.
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      for some reason I'm unable to thank Sir Constantine so I'll do it with this post
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    mobile is the future. simple as that.

    as far as the mediums we use to achieve this, it's clearly html5, css3 and jquery. with the most modern browsers, you can create some simply astounding things even today which you would regard as magic. animation/video, appcaching, responsive design, it's all going to be standard in the next couple of years.
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  • Profile picture of the author Techology
    Some people have been talking about the death of the web, yet what do mobiles use? Yes, the web! It doesn't matter too much about mobiles, it matters about using some tech that is mobile friendly.

    Some people also say Apps are the future, yes they are, but they can also connect to the web (and should do so in fact).
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  • Profile picture of the author jaasmit
    Yap htmls5 has come with so many features so many useful features that are really handy and works pretty good. I think html5 is the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author thelearningman
    No one software development language is the way to go in the future just as there is no one way to market products/ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author Workman
      Originally Posted by thelearningman View Post

      No one software development language is the way to go in the future just as there is no one way to market products/ideas.
      What others in this thread are referring to are the triad of technologies that contribute to the rendering a page and it's contents in the browser: HTML5, CSS 3, and Javascript.

      HTML5 is designed to be a continuous iteration markup language. As new features are added to the HTML specification, browsers are heavily encouraged to support it. If the implementation doesn't work out, then browser vendors may suggest a better alternative or choose not to support it at all. Ultimately, only features that progress the web platform are included.

      One significant difference in HTML5 as compared to 4 and prior is the opening of the DOM and allowing custom tags in the specification. This opens the door to anyone who wants to write a feature for their own implementation in the DOM the browser won't gripe at it or misbehave the render.

      You're right, no one software development language should be considered "the future," but right now it has the most momentum As a living specification, HTML5 will continue to change over time and could be considered future-proof for it's flexibility. It will do well for a quite some time.
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  • Profile picture of the author websoft
    If you look at the announcement just made by Mozilla that they are going to create mobile os which is based on HTML5. Originally it was said to be boot to gecko project but now they are going to call it something else or probably Firefox OS which is purely based on HTML5 and using linux kernel. If you're going to be proficient into HTML5, you will be mobile developer for firefox as well. Wait and watch how other player like microsoft, apple, google also integrate HTML5 strongly into their mobile ecosystem.

    go to w3c site below to learn basics of HTML5.

    w3schools.com/html5/default.asp
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    • Profile picture of the author Workman
      Originally Posted by websoft View Post

      If you look at the announcement just made by Mozilla that they are going to create mobile os which is based on HTML5.
      Wow, thanks for that. Didn't know Mozilla was planning to throw their hat in the mobile ring too.

      Mozilla's plans for a Firefox OS for mobile devices to counter iOS and Android is a very exciting notion. Google is trying something similar for general purpose browsing with Chrome OS, but it sounds like Mozilla's going to mobile computing a step further.
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  • Profile picture of the author coderdave
    HTML5 can't stream live video and probably never will.
    You need flash for that. The only reason people think flash is dead is because Steve Jobs couldn't get it to work on the pathetic processor in the first iPhone. HTML5's main benefit is CSS3 but not all browsers implement it all. Hopefully we will get there one day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Workman
      Originally Posted by coderdave View Post

      HTML5 can't stream live video and probably never will.
      You need flash for that. The only reason people think flash is dead is because Steve Jobs couldn't get it to work on the pathetic processor in the first iPhone. HTML5's main benefit is CSS3 but not all browsers implement it all. Hopefully we will get there one day.
      <video> tag.
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  • The nice thing about HTML 5 is that as mentioned above, you no longer will need Flash and crazy Javascript to do many of the more fancy features. You can now even do drawing in HTML5
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  • Profile picture of the author samstephan9
    Thanks for sharing your post is very helpful for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author brianng
    I don't quite pay attention to HTML 5. According to List of browsers supporting HTML 5 IE , Safari, Firefox, the three most frequent browser have the least support for HTML5. Why? Because they are too busy with other projects.
    As a programmer, I love data, the more data the better website looks; whatever HTML specs I don't care.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM-software
    Flash isn't dead at all, as there are several ways to HTML5 export from within it, through several plugins. Besides, Adobe isn't sleeping

    If HTML5 can be standardized one day (fully cross browser), which isn't so sure because of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) VS Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group quarrel, it will not be before 2020

    However, some HTML5 functionalities already are cross browser, and one may use'em.

    Interesting resources:
    The HTML5 Center by SourceForge and Microsoft
    Tutorials - HTML5 Rocks
    HTMLGoodies Sponsored HTML5 articles and information
    ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Tavor9
      Hi,

      As some members here said, the mobile world is going towards HTML5.
      Google talked about this on thier Google IO event :
      youtube.com/watch?v=4f2Zky_YyyQ
      I think most apps can be written in HTML5 unless you need heavy graphics which HTML5 is weaker at this point.
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      • Profile picture of the author Workman
        Originally Posted by Tavor9 View Post

        I think most apps can be written in HTML5 unless you need heavy graphics which HTML5 is weaker at this point.
        I'd like to point out that HTML5 is making quite of a bit of headway in this field as well. A developer (Kripken) has been working on an HTML5 3D FPS game engine and has progressed beautifully. Best of all, it works completely out of the box with no plugins on the latest Firefox(15.x) release. It's called Banana Bread.

        Traditional desktop applications are on the way out and browser-based applications are gaining more and more traction every year. With increasingly more powerful Javascript engines, offline permissions, media and input controls on the way, browser applications already feel a lot like their desktop counterparts.
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  • Profile picture of the author SandyUgale
    HTML5 has good future..even no one can ignore it ..people have to use it .

    Apart from excellent UI reference websites are developed in HTML5 & used javascript very well, where programming come into the picture. I am not sure at this stage whether we can called as an advantage but 'Responsive web design' & latest technology HTML5 & CSS3 with less frame work...the best part utilized YUI grids to transform into PSD to HTML, so make sure the design should be compatible with wide range of device & will overcome the problem of browser compatibility same time
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  • Profile picture of the author SC Qbiki
    The biggest advantage is that HTML5, drops out the necessity of using Flash
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  • Profile picture of the author chretit
    I would love HTML5 to be the future and one unifying technology that can bridge all kinds of devices - desktop, mobile, game consoles, smart TVs, etc. And I believe it will happen to some extent. But there are a few worrying signs on the horizon.

    For example, the recent split of the two bodies that look after the HTML5 standard (WHATWG and W3C) Hopefully, it won't lead to confusion and incompatibilities.

    Also the varying degrees of HTML5-related capabilities that some devices provide. Namely smart TVs and game consoles. Do hardware manufacturers have enough incentive to make sure their software fully adheres to the standard and not just an after-thought?

    With new mobile OS being announced all the time like Mozilla OS there are so many different devices HTML5 developers need to support.

    Then of course there's no easy access to native hardware such as the camera on mobile devices. Will desktop and native apps die out or will they share the future with the "in-browser" applications?
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  • Profile picture of the author joeaddassy
    There is so many OS and devices, the market is getting segmented a lot.

    Desktop applications cannot work on all devices easily.
    I think we don't get any choice but to choose a platform that will work on all OSes.
    Web application is the only Way.

    Desktop application will never work, but that will be only for specific needs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonas Glad
    Honestly I don't think HTML5 is going to be THAT big...
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  • Profile picture of the author martinbx
    Believe me, flash is dead. I'm an old flash developer. HTML5 is the future and the future is very bright.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rotwic
    html5 is indeed the future. But it requires CSS/HTML and JS knowledge to make full use of the language.
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  • Profile picture of the author Huy Phan
    Originally Posted by Techology View Post

    I used to program in many languages (including C++ and Java) but now just stick with good old marketing (too long in the tooth to remember all those threads).

    It is pretty obvious to me that the scene is changing. Adobe Air and Java for example have had their day. Flash's days are numbered too if you look at what the largest players are saying.

    It seems to me that HTML 5 is the way to go for the future (once some of the missing libraries appear and the browsers get their collective hats together).
    HTML5 with CSS3 is slowly becoming a standard, so to speak .
    It offers a lot of options, and it will be a big boom once all current versions of the browsers become HTML5/CSS3 compatible.
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  • Profile picture of the author NathanAdrian
    HTML 5 is very useful for developing website.There are lots of new tag are available in new HTML,so this can helpful for 3d look foe website.This is very good features of HTML 5.
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