PHP/MySQL UK, US or Canada based Programmers

by joebel

Posted: 13 years ago 29 replies

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Good day warriors!

I need your help. Where can I find PHP/MySQL programmers based on UK, US or Canada?

I need help for some projects.

Thanks guys. Looking forward for your advice.

#based #canada #mysql #php #php or mysql #programmers

JamesPh 13 years ago

oDesk or eLance (they're merging) are your best bet. For UK developers, PeoplePerHour is also good.
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- jbyte 13 years ago
  
  You can try to post in the for hire forum here....
  
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  shahriyar 13 years ago
  
  http://freelancer.com, probably the largest freelancing site. Mention in the project title (US/UK etc.) that you are only looking for programmers from those regions.
  
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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by joebel

Where can I find PHP/MySQL programmers based on UK, US or Canada?

In this day and age, does location really matter ?

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

In this day and age, does location really matter ?

If quality matters then yes it does alot.

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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by softwarewarden

If quality matters then yes it does alot.

So you mean to say quality depends on location ? So a bad programmer from location A goes to location B and he automatically becomes a good programmer ?

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

So you mean to say quality depends on location ? So a bad programmer from location A goes to location B and he automatically becomes a good programmer ?

No what I mean is your more likely to get bad programmers form places other then UK, US, Canada.

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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by softwarewarden

No what I mean is your more likely to get bad programmers form places other then UK, US, Canada.

That is what I meant by my question, tomorrow say a programmer from some country takes a flight and lands in UK or US and Canada and applies for the same job from there, would you automatically consider him/her to be a good programmer ?

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

Nope. But I would give them a chance to prove if they were a good coder or not. Plus there another thing to consider we have worker for hire laws that protect the ower to keep developers from stealing/sell the code that they develop for others. eg if they sell the code to someone else they can be sued and would lose.

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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by softwarewarden

Nope. But I would give them a chance to prove if they were a good coder or not.

and can you please explain why wouldn't you give the same chance to someone in a country other than US, UK and canada ?

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

and can you please explain why wouldn't you give the same chance to someone in a country other than US, UK and canada ?

I would give anyone the same chance but I would be more likely to hire someone from the us, Canada or uk before I would someone from say india. Out of all the people I have hired only around 11% of them from non us, uk, Canada countrys did a good job.

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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by softwarewarden

Out of all the people I have hired only around 11% of them from non us, uk, Canada countrys did a good job.

I would say unless you hand out 1000's of projects a month and did a comprehensive comparison survey of the skillsets of the programmers you hired and unless you make the process/tests you used to hire public and make sure the hiring process is same throughout, your statistics would be at best anecdotal only.

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

Yeah its a rough guess most of the projects I ended up having to do my self after 3-4 trys of finding someone else to do them, Its my experience that us developers seem to do a better job then non us developers. Im not saying that every US, UK, or Canada programmer is better then a india one, theres just a lot less and its easyer to find a good one then it is to find a good india one. I read some time ago not sure where or when anymore that theres like 100,000+ people in india getting tech degrees a year. all they seem to care about is getting done as fast as they can (who cares if theres security problems, who cares if theres tons of bugs) so they can go on to the next job.

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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by softwarewarden

I read some time ago not sure where or when anymore that theres like 100,000+ people in india getting tech degrees a year. all they seem to care about is getting done as fast as they can (who cares if theres security problems, who cares if theres tons of bugs) so they can go on to the next job.

Yes once again sweeping generalizations without hard facts. Not sure whether you followed the same hiring procedures and same remuneration for hiring USA programmers vs Programmers in India. Also I would advise you to examine your hiring procedure and as to why you were able to attract good USA talent but were not able to attract good Indian talent ?

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

Yes once again sweeping generalizations without hard facts.

Yes its my opinion. based on my history working with people that were not good. I don't think I ever said other wise. im also going on stuff I heard from other people that have been having the same problem as me as I do freelance work at times and have had to fix other coders problems.

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

Not sure whether you followed the same hiring procedures and same remuneration for hiring USA programmers vs Programmers in India.

Yes I hired the person with the most reviews and highest ratings or someone I have hired before.

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

Also I would advise you to examine your hiring procedure and as to why you were able to attract good USA talent but were not able to attract good Indian talent?

I have no idea, part of it could have been there understanding of English was not that good, the only good thing IMHO about working with people from india or other countries is they do seem to work a lot cheaper then someone from the us, uk, Canada would.

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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by softwarewarden

the only good thing IMHO about working with people from india or other countries is they do seem to work a lot cheaper then someone from the us, uk, Canada would.

There you hit the nail on the head. Now how do you expect to hire the best talent by paying low pay ? Maybe this was the reason you could get good talent in us, uk, canada and not in India ?

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

There you hit the nail on the head. Now how do you expect to hire the best talent by paying low pay ? Maybe this was the reason you could get good talent in us, uk, canada and not in India ?

Its simple they select how much they want to be paid when they bid on the project not me. its there choice not mine.

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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by softwarewarden

Its simple they select how much they want to be paid when they bid on the project not me. its there choice not mine.

So you go with the lowest bidder and then complain about quality ? I'm sure that is not the case with US, UK and canada, you pay high and you get quality, Why not use the same method for India too ?

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

So you go with the lowest bidder and then complain about quality ? I'm sure that is not the case with US, UK and canada, you pay high and you get quality, Why not use the same method for India too ?

No I go with the person with the most reviews and highest rating or someone that I have hired before.

Along time ago in 2003 I use to go the lowest bidder but found that 1 in a 100 (just a rought guess) would finnish the project and not want more money so I stoped doing it that way.

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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by softwarewarden

No I go with the person with the most reviews and highest rating or someone that I have hired before.

So now you mean to say that

Programmers in USA, UK, Canada with most reviews and highest rating -> Deliver

But

Programmers in India with most reviews and highest rating -> Do not Deliver

It's news to me and hmmm very surprising indeed !

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

I did not exactly say they don't deliver. I said that a lot if them did not do that good of a job or wanted more then what they bid for the job. They would not fix the bugs or security problems they had in the script, etc. when I work on a project it don't matter if they find a bug a year from now if the bugged/problem code matches what I have saved I fix it free. if it don't match then I will charge them to fix it as its not my bug/problem.

then theres something else to consider most of the india people I hired had under 100 reviews where most of the us people I hired had 500+ reviews freelancer has some big problems when it comes to finding good freelancers at least now they show compleation rate. It could just be bad luck getting bad coders biding.

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

and like I said before someone from the us, uk and Canada can be sued. Have you ever tried bring legal action agenst someone in a forign country it normaly don't work out to well. Like I will never hire anyone in china.

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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by softwarewarden

If you are hiring someone to get sued, I'm very lucky I did not get hired by you at all.

then theres something else to consider most of the india people I hired had under 100 reviews where most of the us people I hired had 500+ reviews freelancer has some big problems when it comes to finding good freelancers at least now they show compleation rate

SO why did you hire a person who had 100 over 500 ? It is not the mistake of the hired person at all.

I did not exactly say they don't deliver.

So what did you mean when you said that performance depends on location?

Ha ha I'm confused now

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

If you are hiring someone to get sued, I'm very lucky I did not get hired by you at all.

Case in point I have had projects developed spending 1000$ on them as project creator I own all copyrights/patents etc from the project. Then I have had the developer sell the same code to others. this Is what I mean if the developer was from the us, uk, or Canada I could sue them for copyright violations, and recover the lost funds. With other countries its not as easy or in some cased its not possible at all.

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

SO why did you hire a person who had 100 over 500 ? It is not the mistake of the hired person at all.

No one with more reviews bid on the project.

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

So what did you mean when you said that performance depends on location?

Ha ha I'm confused now

People form the us, uk, Canada seem to care more that the job is done good and the customer(me) is happy.

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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by softwarewarden

Then I have had the developer sell the same code to others.

No one with more reviews bid on the project.

Did you ask yourself why ? Maybe your budget was small ? Or can you tell me in your own words WHY no US, UK or canadian programmers even cared to bid on your project ?

People form the us, uk, Canada seem to care more that the job is done good and the customer(me) is happy.

Since many have not even bid on your projects, I'm not sure how many actual USA, UK and Canada programmers you have had a chance to work with at all ?

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softwarewarden

13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

This too seems not based on facts, since India has one of the toughest copyright control laws as comparable and as enforceable as other countries. So unless you provide more proof I have to categorize this also as some baseless allegation

Did you ask yourself why ? Maybe your budget was small ? Or can you tell me in your own words WHY no US, UK or canadian programmers even cared to bid on your project ?

Since many have not even bid on your projects, I'm not sure how many actual USA, UK and Canada programmers you have had a chance to work with at all ?

1. It was not someone from india it was a programmer from china. That's why I said I would never hire someone from china. I was basicly laughed at and told to stop wasting there time. So india has tough copyright laws that's good to know.

2. I mostly see us, uk, Canada people biding on projects 2000$+ and few on projects that are less unless they are new.

3. not a lot, under 100 I think I don't have access to most of my accounts as they are linked to a domain I don't own anymore.

Sorry OP for taking over this thread.

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chrisranjana.com

13 years ago

Originally Posted by softwarewarden

Ok that settles the case then I guess.

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softwarewarden 13 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

If you are hiring someone to get sued, I'm very lucky I did not get hired by you at all.

Ok heres an simple example what I mean. I had a program developed and payed 1000's$ for it as the project creator I own all copyrights,patents etc. to all code etc. then the developer turned around a few months later and started selling copys of my copyrighted software. If the developer was in the us, uk or Canada it would be easy to sue them to recover my lost funds as I own the copyrights etc not the developer.

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

SO why did you hire a person who had 100 over 500 ? It is not the mistake of the hired person at all.

No one with more reviews bid on the project. I don't get a lot of people from the us, uk or Canada that bid on the projects

Originally Posted by chrisranjana.com

So what did you mean when you said that performance depends on location?

Ha ha I'm confused now

What I mean is that developers from the us, Canada, and the uk seem to care more that the jobs get done good, and the customer(me) is happy.
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wayfarer 13 years ago

According to oDesk research (2009, but still relevant), the top rated country by feedback is the United States. However, the best value for the money is Pakistan and the Philippines. You can see the data they collected here: https://www.odesk.com/blog/2009/01/p...cing-rankings/

Canada isn't ranked all that well as far as actual feedback, at least relative to the leaders. The UK isn't on this list, so that's a little less clear.

I'd say other than these numbers, the ability to communicate is also an important consideration. If you choose to outsource to somewhere like India, I've found it's important to hire a team instead of an individual, because a project manager or team-leader will be an important medium for communication. If you hire domestically, definitely go for an individual, as communication won't be a blocker. This is of course a generalization.
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