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Delayed action? experienced SEO's only please...

by PBNPaddy
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This directly relates to the penguin update.


Early sept I had an old pbn network that had worked for 2ish years straight, get de-indexed at a rate of 9/10 and lets just say there was around 100. I left the ones that didn't get wiped functional but not updated.

so here's whats got my brain frazzled.

the main site in question had 30 referring domains(1 natural), ranked top 5 for its keywords across the board.

28 of the referring domains got de-indexed early sept.

within 24 hours the de-indexed sites were un-hooked from hosting.

I did not do anything else with the sites i used the pbn for or the good/bad sites or the money sites.

Until saturday morning the site held its positions as if nothing was wrong. It raised an eyebrow 2 weeks after not moving, so further decided not to do anything about it to how an earth these sites even stayed where they were.

the 1 pbn still linking out is indexed and has not moved a position give or take 1/2 (yes i rank my pbns for easier data correlation and negative impacts, you should try it.).

So technically the site was running top 5 just off 2 refering domains with tops 30 backlink count. only 2 of which would of really had 'juice' - 28 would of been category pages or summary pages within the pbn. the market is pretty tough but nothing tricky at all, with each lead avg worth £6/7k

I had roughly 8-9 money sites on this network. half tanked, some dropped a page or two, some gained rankings. all with 90% of the backlink portfolio being the old de-indexed site(or was).

one semi-tanked around 1 week ago and slightly recovered.(anom)

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I dont care about the penguin side what i want to ask is;

Why did these sites not move until penguin refresh/update?

Has anyone ever experienced such delays?

I've sat for 3 hours this evening putting together graphs and charts to find a correlating point but there literally is no way for me to point my finger on it.

These sites should not of been hit by penguin with the old pbn gone. everything else bar one or two pbn's that are not affected in the slightest was 100% natural.

where the sites rank now, is spot on in terms of general SEO, some much higher than expected.

This only left me to think google delayed the ranking updates on purpose to improve the impact of penguin? but how could they do that, surely they don't give grace periods of that length for anything...

Anyone shed any light on it?

p.s
please don't tell me what to do in SEO, I know already.
#action #delayed #experienced #seo
  • Profile picture of the author CRIMSON ASH
    Over the last 5 month I have been seeing some weird stuff. Ever since the "May Update" new sites on new/aged domains will not rank high with off-page SEO but new domains with no off-page SEO were ranking.... kind of like the honeymoon period we used to once talk about but this was a long honeymoon for these new sites... many have increased even more post-penguin.

    It seems Google Caffeine went decaf for certain sites and there was indeed a delay in ranking. Sites that ranked well pre-May were given precedence and they stayed where they were.

    Hard to tell really.... perhaps Google were preserving resources or it is a completely different algo. at work with how sites rank and when data is refreshed.

    This has just been my experience though!
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    • Profile picture of the author PBNPaddy
      Originally Posted by CRIMSON ASH View Post

      Over the last 5 month I have been seeing some weird stuff. Ever since the "May Update" new sites on new/aged domains will not rank high with off-page SEO but new domains with no off-page SEO were ranking.... kind of like the honeymoon period we used to once talk about but this was a long honeymoon for these new sites... many have increased even more post-penguin.

      It seems Google Caffeine went decaf for certain sites and there was indeed a delay in ranking. Sites that ranked well pre-May were given precedence and they stayed where they were.

      Hard to tell really.... perhaps Google were preserving resources or it is a completely different algo. at work with how sites rank and when data is refreshed.

      This has just been my experience though!
      Cheers for the link, i agree with the weird stuff as well but hey i'm used to that.
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  • Profile picture of the author CRIMSON ASH
    This may interest you:

    Link Echoes (a.k.a. Link Ghosts): Why Rankings Remain Even After Links Disappear - Whiteboard Friday - Moz
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by PBNPaddy View Post

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    These sites should not of been hit by penguin with the old pbn gone. everything else bar one or two pbn's that are not affected in the slightest was 100% natural..
    You are making a BIG assumption that because you took the sites offline in September they are gone to Google. Thats a short period of time. Sites taken offline (or expired) and not deindexed can be found in Google's database for months.

    That shows that simply taking sites offline does NOT mean Google no longer holds data for them. Your PBN sites would not show in the results because they were deindexed.

    The second piece of evidence that Google does not forget deindexed domains taken offline is that even a year later you can reregister them and setup a site and Google will refuse to index it.

    at any rate an easy explanation is that the new update fine tunes against spammy links, still is registering those domains as having pointed at your site somewhere in their data and dropped the boom on you since really only a few weeks have passed since your PBN was deindexed.

    Remember just because you see data disappear from your end does not mean its disappeared from theirs.
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    • Profile picture of the author PBNPaddy
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      You are making a BIG assumption that because you took the sites offline in September they are gone to Google. Thats a short period of time. Sites taken offline (or expired) and not deindexed can be found in Google's database for months.

      That shows that simply taking sites offline does NOT mean Google no longer holds data for them. Your PBN sites would not show in the results because they were deindexed.

      The second piece of evidence that Google does not forget deindexed domains taken offline is that even a year later you can reregister them and setup a site and Google will refuse to index it.

      at any rate an easy explanation is that the new update fine tunes against spammy links, still is registering those domains as having pointed at your site somewhere in their data and dropped the boom on you since really only a few weeks have passed since your PBN was deindexed.

      Remember just because you see data disappear from your end does not mean its disappeared from theirs.
      I know where your coming from but even when trying to depict the algo historical element linked above there should be some form of remotely correlating data, i literally have none to suggest how the decision was made by the algo.

      I'm not debating whether they do store it but what I know is, what they would have stored, would of been in the naughty pile anyway.

      If it was stored data and picked up by the algo, why didn't they follow the same patterns and same timings? They had a clear footprint from a pbn network.

      Technically they delivered a spammy site(of which they knew) to users for atleast a month or so, if thats what penguin has determined them as from historical data. I consider 3/4 weeks generally on average a long-time for google to act from experience.

      makes me think that the PBN updates where completely manual.

      I know sometimes it's hard to pick these things out but i've used pbn's for a long time and this is a first.

      Algo's will always have to use data, no matter how much google pay their rocket scientists. That data can be analysed because they are only taking it from your own sites, I just can't see the 'thoughts' of algorithm.

      To me, it just doesn't make sense.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by PBNPaddy View Post

        If it was stored data and picked up by the algo, why didn't they follow the same patterns and same timings? They had a clear footprint from a pbn network.
        This is a new penguin update and it most likely had additional "penalties" embedded into it for spam. I am not seeing a big mystery here. September data is most likely still active for google and deindexed links pointing at your site as spam again most likely had additional tanking features put into this update.
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        • Profile picture of the author PBNPaddy
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          This is a new penguin update and it most likely had additional "penalties" embedded into it for spam. I am not seeing a big mystery here. September data is most likely still active for google and deindexed links pointing at your site as spam again most likely had additional tanking features put into this update.
          It doesn't make sense for it all to happen just on penguin update and with such lack of pattern. Just thought there would be room for judgement, just Google doing whatever they want as usual. letting this one go into the bad pile now.
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