So google stopped the page rank

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I'm actually not that surprised since they didn't updated it since long time, but I think PR was never a reliable factor to value a domain authority. what do you think guys

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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Delboy Trotter View Post

    So google stopped the page rank
    No. They stopped updating/publishing it.

    Google staff had been saying openly - in interviews and on their own blogs - for a couple of years, that stopping publishing PR information was "a long-term objective". (Doesn't mean that page ranks no longer exist, of course, not that they signify much anyway: we can all see for ourselves, from the ever-increasing regularity with which lower-PR pages outrank higher-PR pages, in Google's SERP's, that page ranks are an increasingly devalued currency.)

    Many of us thought this was going to happen last year. Like so many "announced Google developments", it's just been very slow-moving: http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ar-2013-a.html


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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      we can all see for ourselves, from the ever-increasing regularity with which lower-PR pages outrank higher-PR pages, in Google's SERP's, that page ranks are an increasingly devalued currency.)
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      I don't l know why you continue to comment on SEO threads Alexa. I've tried for two years now to explain to you that that low PR pages HAVE ALWAYS outranked lower ones because PageRank NEVER EVER AT ALL AT ANY TIME indicated the anchor text links to the pages in serps

      Pagerank only measured the overall links to the page not what the links were recommending the pages for so of course a PR1 with more anchor text for "content marketers don;t know SEO" would outrank a PR 4 with anchor text for "SEOs know SEo" if the search was for

      Content marketers who suck at SEO

      Theres never been any ever increasing instances of lower Pr outranking higher PR sites. its ALWAYS been how PR was designed to work.

      I know. You will still bash SEO in threads even though You demonstrate you never ever understood it. PR toolbar or no PR toolbar.
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  • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
    They not updating the google pr bar, but they did not say to stop updating PR on their internal algorithm. Maybe we are not seeing any update anymore in google tool bar, but it's not mean they totally remove it from their algorithm
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  • Profile picture of the author Delboy Trotter
    Hmm I see now, it will be hidden for us, but is it still an important factor ?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Delboy Trotter View Post

      Hmm I see now, it will be hidden for us, but is it still an important factor ?
      Nothing has changed as far as PR and how Google uses it. We just will not be seeing updated data anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author Corey Taylor
      Originally Posted by Delboy Trotter View Post

      Hmm I see now, it will be hidden for us, but is it still an important factor ?
      I don't think it was that important before anyways
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Corey Taylor View Post

        I don't think it was that important before anyways
        If you do not understand what PageRank is and what it is telling you, then you would be right. For you, it wasn't that important.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          If you do not understand what PageRank is and what it is telling you, then you would be right. For you, it wasn't that important.
          Breaking the TOS of google, blatantly or on the sly, is so much more important
          than real, honest to goodness knowledge, research, and hard work.

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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            Breaking the TOS of google, blatantly or on the sly, is so much more important
            than real, honest to goodness knowledge, research, and hard work.
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            Despite claims by supporters Google isn't God or for that matter any moral authority to determine what exclusively is honest to goodness. Their crawler asks no permissions and agrees to no TOS visiting any of my sites. I know of no moral or legal issue with any business interest using one of their properties to help advertise another of their properties or of a moral prohibition to pay for such advertising with any additional benefits that advertising might have. the very thought of such a flawed morality in the offline world would get laughter.

            IF Google ranks site by Pagerank there was never ever any moral issue with marketers trying to get rankings in the very same way that larger corporations try - by leveraging assets, cash and other properties and affiliations. Same rules for all
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          • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            Breaking the TOS of google, blatantly or on the sly, is so much more important
            than real, honest to goodness knowledge, research, and hard work.

            Paul
            I guess when you say Google TOS, you really mean Google Webmaster Guidelines.

            Google TOS: Google Terms of Service ? Privacy & Terms ? Google

            We agree to those when using Google services.

            Google Webmaster Guidelines: https://support.google.com/webmaster...er/35769?hl=en

            No webmaster has to follow Google's guidelines, if you want to fill your site with hidden text, spam the crap out of blogs for comment links etc... that's none of Google's business. Though if they don't like your site they won't send you any traffic from their sites.

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  • Profile picture of the author rocknitish
    Too many site owners focus on PageRank rather than actually marketing their site anyways. I understand why this tool was created but it might have done more damage than good. There are better metrics for success that people should be using.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pdomain
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    So PR = ?

    How will we know the value of page rank in future......?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Pdomain View Post

      So PR = ?

      How will we know the value of page rank in future......?
      You won't.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by Pdomain View Post

      So PR = ?

      How will we know the value of page rank in future......?
      For most people it will be like this.



      For a few people, it will be like this.



      And for the WSO sellers lined up to sell you the next product based on a pie in the sky metric, it will be like this.



      See nothings changed at all really.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        And for the WSO sellers lined up to sell you the next product based on a pie in the sky metric, it will be like this.
        Watch out for those $7 moz style DA Tweets (DAT).
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  • Profile picture of the author AndresNWD
    I remember it was said the last update of the toolbar was an accident, so nothing we couldn't expect.
    As a ranking factor it is important, but I think most people used it as a way to value the power of a backlink from a certain page. For this purpoes I find more valuable right now majestic's Citation Flow and Trust Flow.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    ...yet not a single person on this thread would turn down a followed PR7 with exact anchor-text & very few OBLs while the link profile shows legit supporting links.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      ...yet not a single person on this thread would turn down a followed PR7 with exact anchor-text & very few OBLs where the link profile shows legit supporting links.
      No they wouldn't but for the very obvious reason.

      The upper PR echelons of current web are unlikely to change in any drastic way at all. It's very easy for a page to drop from say a PR4 to a PR1 within a single refresh. Not so easy for that to happen with a PR7.

      The average domain buyer unfortunately doesn't deal with PR6+, they're simply not in that market financially. Where most domainers lay, is within the very volatile lower end of the PR spectrum. You know this so I don't even know why I'm saying it to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      ...yet not a single person on this thread would turn down a followed PR7 with exact anchor-text & very few OBLs while the link profile shows legit supporting links.

      Give it another 6 months. I'll sell you a PR6 backed by PR6s backed by PR6s backed up by nothing and charge you a few thousand dollars and you'll keep waiting for the boost that never comes.

      People listening to your irrational claim that a metric that never gets updated is more reliable than metrics that do are going to lose thousands of dollars if Google does not turn off that outdated toolbar altogether.

      You can see it already with lower Pr domains (because there are more of them). You cannot find a PR4 domain to buy that is not snatched up by someone even if it has ZERO links. They are being bought just to snooker people still relying on PR and in some cases are being tiered with other worthless PR domains to fool people just like you.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Give it another 6 months. I'll sell you a PR6 backed by PR6s backed by PR6s backed up by nothing and charge you a few thousand dollars and you'll keep waiting for the boost that never comes.

        People listening to your irrational claim that a metric that never gets updated is more reliable than metrics that do are going to lose thousands of dollars if Google does not turn off that outdated toolbar altogether.

        You can see it already with lower Pr domains (because there are more of them). You cannot find a PR4 domain to buy that is not snatched up by someone even if it has ZERO links. They are being bought just to snooker people still relying on PR and in some cases are being tiered with other worthless PR domains to fool people just like you.
        Duh, like I would buy anything from you or anyone else that deals in selling a domain/link based on a seller looking at any metric.

        Your rant is flawed in that your looking to scam someone. You assume every domain is like your pile of shit auction domain. Anyone with half a brain can follow legit link trails. Besides, WTF are you buying today, your buying based on links so your goofy rant is pointless.

        It's like trusting a used car salesman has your best interest in mind. Meh, no thanks, keep your used car.










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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Your rant is flawed in that your looking to scam someone.
          If I were looking to scam someone I would not be pointing out the scam of relying on Pagerank even though it has not been updated for a year and will not ever be regularly updated again if ever.You are just an idiot mouthing off. You always have been. Your one claim to fame was adsense until you finally realized that adsense sucked like I had been telling you and now you hang on here because you have nowhere else to hang out socially.

          Yours is just a stupid but well documented hate of Moz and now even Majestic. Silly stuff because nothing you say or do can stop them from being used going forward as the only real metric anyone will be able to see.

          Anyone with half a brain can follow legit link trails. Besides, WTF are you buying today, your buying based on links so your goofy rant is pointless.
          OF course I buy on links. But unlike you I compare and analyze those links with the updatable metrics while you claim people should just rely on the metric that has not been updated and won't be updated again. Use your noggin for once in your life. Thats the huge difference. You don't know crap about me buying auction domains because I haven't in many months and you wouldn't know about it anyway because frankly you couldn't even if you wanted to. meanwhile everyone checking links looking just at PR can be scammed because you can tier the crappy PR6s however deep you want but if you look at the DA and Tf numbers smarter people who are NOT just blind haters will catch they are worthless PR6s in a heartbeat.

          It's like trusting a used car salesman has your best interest in mind. Meh, no thanks, keep your used car.
          Thats like a kid with bus fare money claiming he won't buy a car. You couldn't anyway. Still only a used car salesman would say " meh okay the odometer stopped working a year ago but you have my word....you can still trust it" ....lol

          No wonder SEODave runs circles around you. good luck with your Mom's car though at least she passed it on for you to fix for your first.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            If I were looking to scam someone I would not be pointing out the scam of relying on Pagerank even though it has not been updated for a year and will not ever be regularly updated again if ever.You are just an idiot mouthing off. You always have been. Your one claim to fame was adsense until you finally realized that adsense sucked like I had been telling you and now you hang on here because you have nowhere else to hang out socially.

            Yours is just a stupid but well documented hate of Moz and now even Majestic. Silly stuff because nothing you say or do can stop them from being used going forward as the only real metric anyone will be able to see.



            OF course I buy on links. But unlike you I compare and analyze those links with the updatable metrics while you claim people should just rely on the metric that has not been updated and won't be updated again. Use your noggin for once in your life. Thats the huge difference. You don't know crap about me buying auction domains because I haven't in many months and you wouldn't know about it anyway because frankly you couldn't even if you wanted to



            Thats like a kid with bus fare money claiming he won't buy a car. He couldn't anyway. Still only a used car salesman would say " meh okay the odometer stopped working a year ago but you have my word....you can still trust it" ....lol

            No wonder SEODave runs circles around you. good luck with your Mom's car though.
            Typical Mike Anthony, always stirring the pot with lame rants.

            Just so you know, back when I was mod I stuck up for you on the mod forum when you was banned. Now you know that.

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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Typical Mike Anthony, always stirring the pot with lame rants.

              Just so you know, back when I was mod I stuck up for you on the mod forum when you was banned. Now you know that.
              You regularly deleted posts of mine that mentioned Moz and others just because you didn't like them. I know the poster that reported me being banned in error and you were not the one that started that reversal as I did nothing but PM people who had PMed me first asking me about offers. Sorry Yukon but of all the mods that worked in the SEO section you were the worse. You abused your position to squelch viewpoints you did not like on more than one occassion. Pearson and Mike did petty solid jobs and the ones now despite your whining against them in various places are actually pretty darn good.

              Now back to discussions about pagerank?
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  • Profile picture of the author EssayPartner
    But we have other options still available for us. E.g. Alexa Rank, MOZ Rank, number and quality of backlinks, positions of website, traffic.
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      Originally Posted by EssayPartner View Post

      But we have other options still available for us. E.g. Alexa Rank, MOZ Rank, number and quality of backlinks, positions of website, traffic.
      Is that orange or grape Kool-Aid?
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    I hope Google drops public PR soon (so no PR values), so webmasters stop relying on an out of date metric. Can you imagine what it would be like 5 years from now trying to trade backlinks if the current public PR isn't updated and stays at the current value!

    If Google stick to the plan to no longer update public PR it's only a matter of time before it's no longer available at all. Just incase anyone misunderstands, not suggesting Google won't use PR as a metric, the algo will use PR, we won't know what our webpages PR are though.

    Will be interesting to see (if public PR is dropped) what the main metric(s) webmasters will use to determine the value of a link or a website etc....

    I've not used PR as a factor for links etc... for years, I look at the ranking of the site and it's quality. Is it well written content etc... and can find it in the SERPs.

    Actually although Alexa ranking is far from accurate I've found it more useful as a metric than PR for sometime. With Alexa you do have to take into account the niche, with some niches (humor/jokes...) it's useless, but in others like Internet marketing can be useful after checking the ranking hasn't been artificially manipulated (which is easy).

    Quality and rankings are what I look for. Would rather have a link from a high quality site with decent rankings (lots of traffic) and low PR than a PR7 with crap content and no traffic. It's a shame other webmasters don't think this way, their backlinks would be much better quality :-(

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