Pagerank and competition

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As we know that google has stopped updating page rank so if my competitor has a pagerank 1 and i am on zero. How do i outrank him? He will keep appearing high because of the pagerank and i will remain low because there is no PR update to come. How is it going to work? How do i outrank my competitor?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    They only stopped updating it publicly. They are still updating it internally everyday.

    And PR has almost nothing to do with rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author khuram007
    Thank you Mike. That was a relief. I was using opera and my competitor was on top. Then i tried chrome and i was on top for the same term. Why so? Same ip, just a browser change
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  • Profile picture of the author khuram007
    So that means according to my personalized results, my competitor is ahead of me. But in fact, i am ahead of him? I use opera and he is on top there. I do not use chrome and i am on top there.
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  • Profile picture of the author khuram007
    plus i am logged into my gmail account via opera but not via chrome. So my true rankings are as displayed by chrome?
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
      Originally Posted by khuram007 View Post

      plus i am logged into my gmail account via opera but not via chrome. So my true rankings are as displayed by chrome?
      Do the Google searches in a private browser.

      For example-

      Firefox it's : File >> New Private Window
      Chrome it's : click the 3 lines settings thing >> New Incognito Window

      You'll view Google while not logged in or related to your location etc...

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Log into nothing.

      Use an incognito or private browsing window when you check the rankings. Make sure you clear all your cookies and browsing history too.
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  • Profile picture of the author dannysimon
    You don't have to worry about pr because it has little or no bearing at all when it comes to ranking. Just focus on your strategies like link building to increase your website's ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
      Originally Posted by dannysimon View Post

      You don't have to worry about pr because it has little or no bearing at all when it comes to ranking. Just focus on your strategies like link building to increase your website's ranking.
      If only they would let us access the internal PageRank values of websites and urls . Toolbar PR is dead, but internal PR is far from dead and affects rankings to a noticeable degree.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    BTW PR per se isn't why a webpage ranks high.

    PR is a blunt measure of the number and to some degree the quality of a webpages backlinks. Higher the PR more likely it has either a lot of backlinks and/or quality backlinks.

    The absolute PR value in itself isn't a ranking factor.

    PR1 is nothing, that won't be why it's ranked above you.

    Since public PR hasn't updated for a year we can no longer be sure what a webpages PR is. The site in my sig is listed as PR0, if PR updated tomorrow the home page will probably be PR4, maybe PR5.

    David
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  • Profile picture of the author Pdomain
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    I think an equivalent to PR is any tool that shows Google searches of a website, web page....

    High PR = high ranking of your keywords in Google

    Low PR = low ranking of your keywords in Google
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  • Profile picture of the author jackluter
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    Through the means of high page rank that results to best traffic generating web site,if you needed to raise pr built good white hat back links.
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  • Profile picture of the author khuram007
    As for as links are concerned, to be honest, i am not focusing on links. I am focusing on content. I am updating my website like hell with over 50 articles per day (on most days) and all the articles are original, have value and are always over 500 and near 1000 words.
    What do you think about this content-based approach?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by khuram007 View Post

      As for as links are concerned, to be honest, i am not focusing on links. I am focusing on content. I am updating my website like hell with over 50 articles per day (on most days) and all the articles are original, have value and are always over 500 and near 1000 words.
      What do you think about this content-based approach?
      Depending what your niche is, adding 50 articles per day means you are probably adding a lot of junk and/or a lot of articles that are just repeating the same thing over and over again.

      Not an approach I would take.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
      Originally Posted by khuram007 View Post

      As for as links are concerned, to be honest, i am not focusing on links. I am focusing on content. I am updating my website like hell with over 50 articles per day (on most days) and all the articles are original, have value and are always over 500 and near 1000 words.
      What do you think about this content-based approach?
      Unless you are buying 50 articles a day they are unlikely to be unique and reasonable quality.

      One person can't write 40,000 words a day (50 articles times 800 words) of reasonable quality content on a variety of niches and create 50 webpages...

      Would you be scraping and re-spinning others content by any chance?

      I can easily generate 1,000 articles that way in my sleep, but long term the site won't do well.

      Good luck with that long term.

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      • Profile picture of the author Pdomain
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        Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

        Unless you are buying 50 articles a day they are unlikely to be unique and reasonable quality.

        One person can't write 40,000 words a day (50 articles times 800 words) of reasonable quality content on a variety of niches and create 50 webpages...

        Would you be scraping and re-spinning others content by any chance?

        I can easily generate 1,000 articles that way in my sleep, but long term the site won't do well.

        Good luck with that long term.

        David
        No, these articles may be of a little less quality, may be rewritten...... but they hold good value in SEO...

        Think of ecommerce websites, where 90% content is scrapped from drop-ship website and they also get indexed in Google....

        As long as the content is indexed... you get value...

        Make sure that the content is unique in the same website..... not two articles are written for one purpose...

        There are also some threads in WarriorForum, where a person write more than 50 articles in 8 hours...
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  • Profile picture of the author khuram007
    I cover more than one topic. Memory techniques, speed reading, hypnosis and how to use it for memory, creativity development, In short, Brain training
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  • Profile picture of the author khuram007
    I am not hitting one keyword over and over again but yes i am hitting 8 to 10 keywords. The content that follows a title is always different.
    *EDIT*
    As of now my DA is 27.47. And My traffic stats seem to improving
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  • Profile picture of the author EssayPartner
    Originally Posted by khuram007 View Post

    He will keep appearing high because of the pagerank and i will remain low because there is no PR update to come.
    Forget about PR at all. He keeps appearing higher because of better backlink profile, quality or quantity of his articles. That's all. PR is not the main factor. It shows only the "weight" of site
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  • Profile picture of the author khuram007
    @SEO-Dave - We are a non-profit organization. There are many people contributing. I make sure to use copyscape for all articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
      Originally Posted by khuram007 View Post

      @SEO-Dave - We are a non-profit organization. There are many people contributing. I make sure to use copyscape for all articles.
      Would have been much clearer had you said WE not I earlier :-)

      How is it working for you?

      Started a news site recently and after there's 50+ news items will be submitting to Google news and plan to look for quality writers interested in a revenue share arrangement. Thinking along the lines of the writers receive all AdSense revenue from their content for a year: since it's Google news most traffic will be short term, could make a decent chunk of ad revenue in days in Google news.

      With the amount of content you are generating how are you building links? More content you have, more links you need to power it. Every new webpage you add spreads your sites current PR/link benefit further, so you must build new backlinks to maintain current SERPs.

      David
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      • Profile picture of the author Jayski32
        Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

        Would have been much clearer had you said WE not I earlier :-)


        With the amount of content you are generating how are you building links? More content you have, more links you need to power it. Every new webpage you add spreads your sites current PR/link benefit further, so you must build new backlinks to maintain current SERPs.

        David


        uhh? Either I'm not understanding you or you mistyped cause this makes no sense.
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        • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
          Originally Posted by Jayski32 View Post

          uhh? Either I'm not understanding you or you mistyped cause this makes no sense.
          Erm the OP said:

          As for as links are concerned, to be honest, i am not focusing on links. I am focusing on content. I am updating my website like hell with over 50 articles per day (on most days) and all the articles are original, have value and are always over 500 and near 1000 words.
          What do you think about this content-based approach?
          Note all the I's, sounds like all the content was made by one person.

          Had the OP said WE, would have been clear there was a team of authors generating content, not one person.

          One person generating 50 articles a day is almost certainly low quality crappy content, 50 articles a day by a team could be high quality content.

          The former is likely to fail as a business plan, the latter could be successful.

          David
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  • Profile picture of the author Pdomain
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    In khuram007 case,

    It will be good if he maintains the consistency for a long time. Otherwise, he should schedule some posts so that they will be posted for a long time... instead of posting 50/day, post ~10/day and maintains the flow of uploading content on your website....
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  • Profile picture of the author khuram007
    @Seo-Dave- I have been constantly monitoring organic taffic, page views, and bounce rate.
    Pageviews are up by 300%
    I am experiencing fluctuations in terms of organic traffic but even the lowest hits are 500% up then it used to be.
    Bounce rate dropped by 67% percent.
    Google did stop indexing for two days when the speedy posts were initiated. After 2 days, google starts indexing and our organic traffic takes another giant leap.
    I am not sure what future holds. But for now stats are always improving.
    As for keywords, we are ranking for different keywords. According to webmaster tools 305 keywords are generating clicks.
    I am just a little concerned with fluctuations. Rest is fine.
    *Edit*
    I should add that there are four forums attached to the website. And all of them, are fetching organic traffic. 50 posts are updated to the blog. This does not include content posted on forums.
    I am not building links. There is too much data to be scanned via copyscape. Now we not only focus on the content but also on presenting it in an attractive way using graphics and diagrams.
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    • Profile picture of the author habibkhan01
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      Don't hesitate for page rank. If your site alexa ranking and your keywords position on google is better than your competitor. Thats enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author yogyogi
    Don't look for PR go for high in SERPS. Ways to do it - Employ SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author misshang
    I agree with PR is nothing relevant with SERP. If you so many people contributing to the content that means it's popular, why don't you put more social sharing function or make it viral? I believe it will help better than simply pr.
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  • Profile picture of the author khuram007
    We already have active facebook and google plus profiles.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnniewalk
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    SEE A New site which will rank the keywords quicker then the pagerank website, PR Doesn't Matter Creating Backlinks and Content of the site is important.
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