Interlinking blogs in the PBN...what's the harm?

10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

I think alot of PBN spookiness is either the oldtimers trying to keep the newbies out, OR a misinformation campaign to keep some people chasing their tails.

Yeah thats it. oldtimers are scared stiff the newbies will destroy them in the serps.

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MikeFriedman

10 years ago

Depends on how big the network is. Also probably depends how big the company in question is. Totally makes sense for Microsoft to have links from 20 of their properties.

Does it make sense for some little accountant in Timbuktu to have the same?

The other thing is just risk. You might think it is perfectly legitimate. However, if that little network comes under a manual review, you are at the mercy of the manual reviewer. All they have to do is decide that they really feel uneasy about one of your sites, so they should probably squash the whole thing. When they are all linked together like that, you are making it easy for them.

But yeah, there are plenty of legit reasons not to hide such sites and relationships.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

But yeah, there are plenty of legit reasons not to hide such sites and relationships.

yep sure but not very often will one apply to marketers here. Most people have a problem putting up one or two quality sites (really good not just good because its theirs) so the chances are very very small a marketer actually has a multitude of sites that are good linked together.

I prefer the OP's theory though. Its easy to do and the old timers just want to keep people out. We are busted . Just wait till GOY sees this thread . He's going to be ticked the secret is out that we are trying to keep people out.

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PBMax

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

yep sure but not very often will one apply to marketers here. Most people have a problem putting up one or two quality sites (really good not just good because its theirs) so the chances are very very small a marketer actually has a multitude of sites that are good linked together.

I prefer the OP's theory though. Its easy to do and the old timers just want to keep people out. We are busted . Just wait till GOY sees this thread . He's going to be ticked the secret is out that we are trying to keep people out.

Your sarcasm needs polishing. That notwithstanding, it seems like I am right because this hit a nerve. First, I thought you were banned for your tantrum with Niko.

Second, welcome back apparently.

Third, I think you needlessly spin yarn about SEO to puff yourself up. If you truly are some sort of SEO provider, polish up both your sarcasm and people skills.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

First, I thought you were banned for your tantrum with Niko.

Thought wrong.

Originally Posted by PBMax

Your sarcasm needs polishing. .

You do shoes too?
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paulgl

10 years ago

I hate to venture into some elses milieu, but what reason would you
have for doing so? Just because? Or would it make sense?

If you do this globally, and/or under the wrong circumstances, you
have just blown yourself up...if a PBN is what you actually want to
have in what I think a PBN actually is used for.

All I'm saying, is if you interlink a post on blog x to a post on
blog y, and there is no reason apparent reason to actually do so,
then why do it?

You certainly don't want to link everything to everything else.

But that's a PBN. I fully know that google knows what sites I own.
Just like amazon...and they and every big site from wikipedia to
ebay does it.

Those are not link schemes. Is a PBN considered a link scheme
in an abstract or concrete sense? If so, you do not want it to
look like one at all costs.

Paul

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

I promote all my domains on each site, then again I also have a boat load of organic links on multiple sites so it's not just my own links. I use my links for optimizing where organic links slack (ex: optimized anchor-text).

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Stallion

10 years ago

People have a false view of how google operates. If you have legit well done sites, why couldn't you link them together? Well....

Let's put up the argument that your network of sites truly rock. They're just awesome in all aspects of what Google likes. Google stomping on good sites is fair game because they don't have the goal of treating everyone fairly, just a good top 10.

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seoboyz01

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Stallion

People have a false view of how google operates. If you have legit well done sites, why couldn't you link them together? Well....

Let's put up the argument that your network of sites truly rock. They're just awesome in all aspects of what Google likes. Google stomping on good sites is fair game because they don't have the goal of treating everyone fairly, just a good top 10.

Big difference between network of sites and private blog network.
And, of course, there are many sites that link to the other sites in a network. For instance, go to any 'freebie site' and you are likely to see links in the side column urging you to visit their sister 'discount deals site'. Those two sites are owned by one person, not part of a private blog network. Those sites have content that is the purpose for visiting. In other words, those sites are not being used as a part of a PBN - SEO scheme to trick Google into thinking the main/money site is some huge deal.

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godoveryou

10 years ago

So let me see if I get this straight...

You have the SEO community who loves to fight with each other, one up each other, and takes a certain degree of pride in proving themselves technically superior to their peers.

This group of guys that will argue on whether or not it is critical to call something a title tag or a title element, just so that they have the excuse to fight with each other...

This group of guys that are constantly trying to churn out new methods of their own that the competition aren't using and keep those methods secret to themselves for as long as possible...

And you're saying that this group of people all got together, communicated openly (but in secret of course), and came to the universal agreement to keep newbies out by creating a "Lie" about the danger of interlinking sites and from the moment of that agreement forward continued to hold their unified position for days, months and years across dozens of forums?

Really....

Alright dude, if you are willing to ignore who SEO's are as people and how they communicate with each other on forums to support your theory then there is obviously no convincing you otherwise.

Beyond that thought, I won't argue with you on it though because in the end, by your interlinking your entire network, you are eventually going to produce the 'Desired' end result that you attribute the rest of us PBN owners as maliciously having which is one less newbie in the game...

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

And you're saying that this group of people all got together, communicated openly (but in secret of course), and came to the universal agreement to keep newbies out by creating a "Lie" about the danger of interlinking sites

Page 12 of the minutes of the last meeting, You were out of it from too many shots of whisky. Your Sean Connery imitation was pretty good though

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nik0 Banned 10 years ago

I know many that do just that, heck even SEO companies that inerlink their client sites and that have gotten away with it for many years and still.

It seems Google has no issue when relevant legit sites interlink.

Uploading a few articles on a repurposed high PR domain doesn't look very legit to me though, while that's how most IM' ers would do it.

What does i take to make a site look legit?

1) A real person or preferrable company behind it
2) Verified contact details clearly visible on the site
3) Legit links at Yelp, LinkedIn, Facebook, BBB etc
4) A domain name that doesn't reveal anything, a persons name would do, assuming that name is consistent on Facebook, LinkedIn etc as well.

Starts to look pretty much like identity fraud so maybe a persons name domain isn't the best choice either.

So alltogeher I think it's a bad idea unless you start with brand new domains, powered up by high PR domains, and interlink only the brand new domains.

A legit business man often doesn't have a PBN of sites, he just has money sites (possibly backed up by a non-interlinked PBN)
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PBMax

10 years ago

nik0-

Yep. Legit expired domain names I scooped up in my niche. My sites will be plenty info-packed and legit.

But as for "legit" in business. Pretty much no business is 100% ethical (ask Mike Anthony) so we're splitting hairs with this whole "legit" business. Who knows what they really do? All you can do is do your thing or fake it (Mike Anthony) until you make it.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

nik0-

Yep. Legit expired domain names I scooped up in my niche. My sites will be plenty info-packed and legit.

But as for "legit" in business. Pretty much no business is 100% ethical (ask Mike Anthony) so we're splitting hairs with this whole "legit" business. Who knows what they really do? All you can do is do your thing or fake it (Mike Anthony) until you make it.

Not talking about ethical or not, just legit, a painting business probably has a photo of him next to his van or small warehouse and you'll find him at Yelp with customer reviews, either good or bad. His domain name matches with his Yelp listing and the phone number on his site leads to his cellphone.

It's pretty hard to fake that when using expired domains don't you agree?

So the domain name can better be something generic or relevant to your niche as not all manual reviewers are sleeping behind their desk, I bet some love the hunt to revenge whatever bad thing happened in their pathetic life.

Why else would they work as a snitch for Google.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

Who knows what they really do? All you can do is do your thing or fake it (Mike Anthony) until you make it.

Yawn....a couple weeks ago I would answer in depth but with these new newbs I just don't have the interest. All chat and only have questions ..no knowledge.

I wonder what Paris is like this time of year. Never been in the winter.
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godoveryou

10 years ago

All chat and only have questions ..no knowledge.

Welcome to the new WaFo SEO subforum - a vacant hole of uselessness. At this point, it's only going to get worse and will probably never get better.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

Welcome to the new WaFo SEO subforum - a vacant hole of uselessness. At this point, it's only going to get worse and will probably never get better.

I hear you. Moving on to greener pastures for the new year myself. No longer worth the time (when you see me unable to muster a few lines in reply to them you know). When the kiddies have nothing to offer and then add conspiracy theories against the "old timers" its time to make them ask questions and get wrong answers among themselves.

I know a lot of the group that answers most questions is getting fed up so that day is coming fast.

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Icematikx

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I hear you. Moving on to greener pastures for the new year myself. No longer worth the time (when you see me unable to muster a few lines in reply to them you know). When the kiddies have nothing to offer and then add conspiracy theories against the "old timers" its time to make them ask questions and get wrong answers among themselves.

I know a lot of the group that answers most questions is getting fed up so that day is coming fast.

I think it's about what members you attract.

I've always associated WF with beginners/newbies. You're here to either ask questions, or answer questions. There's no high-level talk.

With BHW, for example, a post will spawn up on PBN's and suddenly everybodies talking about their own PBN's.

With WF, it'd be 1 or 2 people having an intelligent discussion, followed by 20 other people asking questions. "What is a PBN?". "How do you register domains?"

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paulgl

10 years ago

Maybe I am missing something here.

I thought this was about PBN's, not a network of sites.

Amazon owns a zillion sites, and they interlink like a mad man.

So do I.

But amazon and myself do not have PBNs.

Somehow people think that if they have an online empire, it is
now a PBN. They are not one and the same.

So, isn't the question about linking up your PBN, and NOT just linking
up your sites?

Perhaps not. Forgive me for reading this wrong:
"Interlinking blogs in the PBN...what's the harm?"

I thought we were actually talking about PBNs....

Paul

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PBMax

10 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

Somehow people think that if they have an online empire, it is
now a PBN. They are not one and the same.

Paul

Good distinction. I find that I tend to blend the two as well. To be honest, I'd probably call what I'm building an empire versus a private network.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

Good distinction. I find that I tend to blend the two as well. To be honest, I'd probably call what I'm building an empire versus a private network.

To be honest you probably had it right before. You are building a PBN interlinked to each other.

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PBMax

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

To be honest you probably had it right before. You are building a PBN interlinked to each other.

No, it's not private nor am I trying to hide anything. I'm also not solely brewing and serving up link juice for my clients. I'm providing an informative user experience and not trying to be smarter than Google, you or anybody else at this point.

PBN is your thing. You can have it. I'll stick to renting my PBN spaces for unique backlinks and then use my empire for other purposes.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

PBN is your thing. You can have it.

and yet somebody started a thread called

Interlinking blogs in the PBN...what's the harm?

my empire

You are ready for your first WSO where everything is renamed to be over rated.
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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

No, it's not private nor am I trying to hide anything. I'm also not solely brewing and serving up link juice for my clients. I'm providing an informative user experience and not trying to be smarter than Google, you or anybody else at this point.

PBN is your thing. You can have it. I'll stick to renting my PBN spaces for unique backlinks and then use my empire for other purposes.

If it's build up on expired high PR domains it's a PBN, simple as that, no one builds their "empire" upon other peoples domains, unless it's so hyper relevant but those are rare.

seobacklinkservice.com was used before I bought it for $100,-, still not sure why but whatever, for a backlink seller like myself it's obvious not a bad choice, but it would never be part of a PBN as it has no PR

twowriters.net when I bought it I planned to use it as a PBN site, however I got this new idea of launching a writers platform and saw it has a legit backlink profile, I aint to creative with coming up with names either so easy choice "two writers" it is.

Now try to find 20 domains with solid backlink profiles and highly relevant, impossible job!

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Now try to find 20 domains with solid backlink profiles and highly relevant, impossible job!

Darn tootin right (thats right we agree totally for a change)

I get that request all the time when I build PBNs for people. Some even assume it "you are going to get me domains in my niche right?" . If I can but more often than not like you say its mission impossible.

If you want or have totally high relevance then you are going to end up with some weak domains with no authority links at all so whats the point. You are better off getting domains with generic URL based links
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MikeFriedman

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

twowriters.net when I bought it I planned to use it as a PBN site, however I got this new idea of launching a writers platform and saw it has a legit backlink profile, I aint to creative with coming up with names either so easy choice "two writers" it is.

I'm not sure that was thought out very well. People might get the impression that there are only two writers so they would be waiting forever to get their order completed.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I'm not sure that was thought out very well. People might get the impression that there are only two writers so they would be waiting forever to get their order completed.

Well it wasn't thought out at all, I just had the domain available

I can turn it into a story like: two writers, that's how we started...., has some truth in it as I did start writing myself at first (long ago) and later on hired an additional writer lol.

Anyway I think people can easily remember the name and in the advertising campaign I will make clear that we have many writers.

I'll probably be my largest client anyway and over time I assume it will slowly grow but I aint'putting all my efforts into promoting it for now. I will try to rank it though as it has a solid foundation of links already so should be possible to grow it at a slowly but steady rate. Site go's live somewhere at the start of January.

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godoveryou 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

With BHW, for example, a post will spawn up on PBN's and suddenly everybodies talking about their own PBN's.

The big problem with BHW is that everyone thinks they are l33t or are in some strange place to self-appointed superiority.

The service sellers in particular really thing they are in some kind of unique uber club that only awesome people are in - but they really aren't anything too special other than the fact they made some friends and are well liked in their own, small social circle.

I stopped going there long ago because I simply couldn't tolerate the hyperactive 'l33t' members who made $20 that day and thought the world should worship them and their GSA license. - and yet - none of them could discuss cloaking, clickjacking or cookie stuffing with any degree of authority or expertise.... on a Black Hat forum!

The real fact of the matter is that most serious members of private communities will talk to someone from WaFo long before they would BHW simply because of the 'social inbreeding' effect that forum is well known for.

Unfortunately, WaFo has put itself in a position now where it won't matter for those people because they won't want to be here anyways - as several of you have pointed out that you have no interest in continuing your relationship here after or near the 1st of the year.
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- Mike Anthony 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by godoveryou
  
  and yet - none of them could discuss cloaking, clickjacking or cookie stuffing with any degree of authority or expertise.... on a Black Hat forum!
  
  Good night even I know about that.. I like the animal ones and the Santa ones with the sugar on top. You meant cookie cutting right?
  
  as several of you have pointed out that you have no interest in continuing your relationship here after or near the 1st of the year.
  
  Yep...I am counting on the holidays to break my bad habit. A few days off lots of egg nog and then MA TV goes dark I hope by January 1st.
  
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jinx1221 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I know a lot of the group that answers most questions is getting fed up so that day is coming fast.

Me too.. I could go on and on about how somebody probably posted the world's best WSO about how to get millions of visitors to your site by putting your irrelevant site link in your sigbox, thus spawning post upon post of useless one sentence replies, like "It is good to create contents that attracts visitors", on and on and on.. I'm just out of patience. This was once a place that brought me enlightenment, sparked ideas, conversations, great debates. Now I just check WF just to check.. nope, nothing new... nope, same old shit.. yawwwwnnn.....

I think it's time to move on.
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johnkoko

10 years ago

We promote many my domain names on every single internet site, in spite of this We have the vessel heap of natural and organic backlinks on many sites so it will be besides my very own backlinks. I take advantage of my backlinks with regard to optimizing where natural and organic backlinks slack (ex: optimized anchor-text).

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godoveryou

10 years ago

I saw that as well Mike....

Sometimes it's not worth pointing these things out there. Just let him do whatever it is that he thinks he's doing and call it his empire, kingdom, sandhill, whatever....