Keyword Research Question For Market Samurai Users.

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The past few days I have been doing keyword research with Market Samurai for a few markets that I am targeting. At first I was using the "Broad Match" feature and some of the search numbers for many of these keywords were quite impressive. I then switched to the "Exact Match" and was disappointed in the search numbers that I was seeing.

For example, in one market I was researching a three word keyphrase under Broad Match and it returned over 5,000 daily searches with a Competition number of only 25,000. I then switched to the Exact Match and saw that this three word phrase only gets 6 searches a day.

There are a lot of other keyphrases that look very promising under the Broad Match analysis. But when you look at Exact Match, the numbers are not real impressive.

I do understand that the Broad Match is giving us the searches for that given keyword along with other derivative phrases of that keyword.

With all of this in mind, here are my questions:

When you are doing your keyword research with Market Samurai, do you even consider the Broad Match numbers?

Also, if I wrote a blog post that is centered around the keyphrase that I mentioned above (the one that gets 5000 searches with Broad and only 6 searches with Exact), I will certainly get a tiny bit of traffic for the "Exact" keyphrase I am targeting. However, can I also expect to get some traffic from the derivative keyphrases that have 5,000 searches a day that are related to this keyphrase? I hope this question makes sense.

And finally, with most longtail keywords getting only a modest number of "Exact" searches a month, is a marketer making better use of his or her time by simply writing content for the visitor and delivering value to the marketplace and not worry so much about writing for the search engines?

Keyword research for SEO is something new for me and I welcome any input on this issue.

Thanks for your time.

Jon
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Jon,

    I own Market Samurai but I will try to explain a neat method that can bring you some light. Try this:

    Ask your parents, relatives, girlfriend, wife, co-workers or friends to search for your targeted markets. Let's say you are trying to find out more about "solar panels". Give them the keyphrase and a computer and write down each and every combination they use.

    Many people use search words you don't see in MS or Google keyword Tool. That's a great option to discover and test other keywords, the ones "regular" folks do search.

    You can take this further with combinations cause you will spot similarities even for different keywords: male, 60 years old = this keyphrases; female 33 years old = this keyprases, boy 18 years old = this keyprases.

    We often neglect our visitors and who they are, their age, how webby they are etc etc.

    Fernando
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    • Profile picture of the author BryanB55
      Im using market samurai also and was wondering the same thing. What a good search number is in broad and exact match for an adsense site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
    Best thing to do is go on Googles Browser and before you do any matches of Keywords using other peoples software......just go in and do a human search of the top 20 most common Keywords and list them in order.......sure it may take some time, and only check the top 10 listed websites, and not the paid ones.

    Then take those keywords and head into the view html codes of those websites and do whats called a (Find) search...( If you don't know how to do this, take your mouse and place it over a website page and click the right side of the mouse and then you'll see in the directory box that opens up...whats called View Source - click it- and you can view the HTML in the NotePad)..next go to ( Edit in tool bar ) and (click on Find )and now check and see just how many times each keyword or Keyword Phrase is used? Such as keywords ( Make Money ) I have notice that many od the top ranked webpages may have over 500 of those kewords worked into the main front page. Then Check other keywords like ( How To Make Money ON The Internet) or (Make Money Online Fast) it may shock you to find out that these sites are heavily loaded with keywords.


    Next once your done doing keyword searches - compare your keywords with the software if you must, but I think it's a total waste of time myself.
    But I can tell you this, without software I can get a website ranked 100% of the time on Google.....I don't believe in following the tradional SEO bunk online,most is misslead information in teaching people false SEO...and it's done by people trying to make money ramming up traffic into their adsense accounts......geeeeeeeezzzzz.

    The real truth is this -Googles system Flucuates Daily even every hour, it takes a human touch and reason to beat the system, humans can Fluctuate, computers can not.......it's the constant changing of keywords that cause this fluctations by humans posting new websites and pages, it's not caused by computers but people. The computers just respond to what the humans do daily in posting keywords and figures out the averages.........This is my way of explaning this so the average person can understand, and not just the computer jockies like myself.
    Soooooo...people cause this Flucuation and so a human mind can beat the system, this is the real truth, so simple but...no one ever gets it !! Yet I have ranked over 100 websites on google in the past 12 months. I am telling you the real truth here people.


    Also I did my own personal research ....just so you know & I check these keyword search tools before an sodtware, and they give false anwsers. Here's why I had a group of 50 people online post in the keywords _ Rock,Blues Guitar Lessons......guess what happened?....not one of those came up as people searching online. So why trust the software. The software seems to report on certain keywords.

    Anyways....use some human wisdom and you can get ranked on Google in 48 hours or less. But you must know the skills.
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    • Profile picture of the author BryanB55
      Originally Posted by Mr Money Maker View Post

      Best thing to do is go on Googles Browser and before you do any matches of Keywords using other peoples software......just go in and do a human search of the top 20 most common Keywords and list them in order.......sure it may take some time, and only check the top 10 listed websites, and not the paid ones.

      Next compare your keywords with the software if you must.
      But I can tell you this, without software I can get a web rank 100% of the time on Google.
      So...............If I were you I wouldn't waste time with it.
      Also just so you know I check these keyword search tools before, and they give false anwsers. Here's why I had a group of 50 people online post in the keywords _ Rock,Blues Guitar Lessons......guess what happened?....not one of those came up as people searching online. So why trust the software.

      Use some human wisdom and you can get ranked on Google anywebsite in 48 hours or less. But you must know the skills
      I use software to save time, if your doing a lot of research I think it's a good investment.

      Are you saying that because you had 50 people do searches online the software is inaccurate? I'm not sure that is a very accurate experiment. 50 searches would be negligible compared to the tens of thousands of searches those keywords get, plus you really don't know how long it takes for that data to be updated.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Crooks
      Not true.. Keyword stuffing may have worked over 5 years ago but this is most certainly not the case now.

      To answer the OP's question, don't get confused between what people are actually searching for and optimising a page on your site for a certain keyword phrase. What I mean is..

      Joe Bloggs searches with the phrase (without quotes) "photo editing software"

      Google returns the most relevant sites that are optimised for combinations of the words photo, editing and software. The top 10 might not necessarily be exact matches of the phrase "photo editing software" but they will be what google deem relevant information.

      Good SEO practice tells us that to stand a good chance of getting in googles top 10 for the phrase "photo editing software" our page needs to have the keyword phrase scattered within the content, title, url plus a myriad of other SEO stuff I won't go into here.

      To establish whether a keyword phrase is worth optimising a page on our site for then you should check the exact search numbers to give you a fair impression of the number of searches for that exact phrase.

      Market Samurai is great because it not only gives you this info but also other important stuff like how many pages are SEO optimised intitle,inurl etc..

      Armed with this info and an impression of your real competition in the top 10 of Google you can then see if a phrase is really worth optimising a page for and your chances of breaking into that top 10.

      Originally Posted by Mr Money Maker View Post

      Best thing to do is go on Googles Browser and before you do any matches of Keywords using other peoples software......just go in and do a human search of the top 20 most common Keywords and list them in order.......sure it may take some time, and only check the top 10 listed websites, and not the paid ones.

      Then take those keywords and head into the view html codes of those websites and do whats called a (Find) search...( If you don't know how to do this, take your mouse and place it over a website page and click the right side of the mouse and then you'll see in the directory box that opens up...whats called View Source - click it- and you can view the HTML in the NotePad)..next go to ( Edit in tool bar ) and (click on Find )and now check and see just how many times each keyword or Keyword Phrase is used? Such as keywords ( Make Money ) I have notice that many od the top ranked webpages may have over 500 of those kewords worked into the main front page. Then Check other keywords like ( How To Make Money ON The Internet) or (Make Money Online Fast) it may shock you to find out that these sites are heavily loaded with keywords.


      Next once your done doing keyword searches - compare your keywords with the software if you must, but I think it's a total waste of time myself.
      But I can tell you this, without software I can get a website ranked 100% of the time on Google.....I don't believe in following the tradional SEO bunk online,most is misslead information in teaching people false SEO...and it's done by people trying to make money ramming up traffic into their adsense accounts......geeeeeeeezzzzz.

      The real truth is this -Googles system Flucuates Daily even every hour, it takes a human touch and reason to beat the system, humans can Fluctuate, computers can not.......it's the constant changing of keywords that cause this fluctations by humans posting new websites and pages, it's not caused by computers but people. The computers just respond to what the humans do daily in posting keywords and figures out the averages.........This is my way of explaning this so the average person can understand, and not just the computer jockies like myself.
      Soooooo...people cause this Flucuation and so a human mind can beat the system, this is the real truth, so simple but...no one ever gets it !! Yet I have ranked over 100 websites on google in the past 12 months. I am telling you the real truth here people.


      Also I did my own personal research ....just so you know & I check these keyword search tools before an sodtware, and they give false anwsers. Here's why I had a group of 50 people online post in the keywords _ Rock,Blues Guitar Lessons......guess what happened?....not one of those came up as people searching online. So why trust the software. The software seems to report on certain keywords.

      Anyways....use some human wisdom and you can get ranked on Google in 48 hours or less. But you must know the skills.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
        HI, sorry I have to dissagree, I have a record of 118 ranked websites all ranked in Googles tops spots my lowest is ranked 6th. I also don;t keyword stuff, but I will use 100's of keywords arrange in such a way that it doesn;t come off looking like that. Also using new codes that you can't veiw in my site either.

        To me this software for searching out keywords and how many people search those Keywords is really nothing more than a kids toys for adults to play with, ( There are scripts that show how many people access websites online and what keywords they use)...so.... do this I guess you have not learn them yet...I am not going to share these here though)

        Anyways....Google can be beat everytime, because of the Flucutations in the system and the software or codes still, can't compete againist real human judgement and wisdom.
        Humans post websites, so think as a human, or else I Have total ESP....either way I am on a roll, and sorry not 5 years ago as you posted.......how many top site do you have?.....the real truth is it's about making money online............you can do all this work, but if you're making nothing what good is the software?

        Yes I know everyone thinks this is the space, we are high Tech and all...and that's great.....But some things a computer software can't do, and thats rank websites.
        If it was true.................then how many of you have 100% average for ranking every site you post?

        I am not perfect, but so far this year I have been.
        Oh ya, the link here, that site is still underconstruction so don't post it's not ranked yet, because I am not ready to rank it.
        JUst thought I'd say that before all the negitive thoughts pour in..........but mark my words once the sight is done, it will be ranked. Most likely PR5 or 6

        I am n ot trying to come down on people, just wish everyone could see the real truth, it would save you years of grief
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
    What I did was a search in an area where only about 25 people an hour browse online.
    If 50 Internet friends all typed in the same search.....it should at least read 50, most likey 75 if you add the other 25 into the mix.
    During that hour not 1 person showed on the responce........why?
    Because these software companies most likely set it up that way to run a more common search. Such as Free Rock Guitar Lessons or Free Blues Guitar Lesson, but not Free Rock,Blues Guitar Lessons.
    I know this is true, I have over 100 top ranking under guitar websites on google.

    I have done searches in how to make money categories also, and there again I have notice this.
    So I believe not every category will pull up, unless they have made new chanes to the system.
    Either way, it takes me only 20 minutes to get my keywords and do my keyword searches to rank any website. Infact I have ranked sites for Real Estate, Attorneys, Gas Companies, and Money making websites, and I still rank 100% all the time.
    My biggest has been on top in the 1 number 1 spot with over 1.6 Billion Pages Online.

    Now I am not saying this to brag...........I am trying to get people to head in the right direction. Most people want to believe all the SEO bunk being told online.
    And I said bunk...not to put people down.....if people could only see the trees through the forest, instead most are sadly lost in the forest and don't enjoy the tree's/;;;;;;;;if you get my point !

    Anyways ....as I said most so called SEO experts teach false skills and techniques online, maybe not on purpose but...its really done to attract people into websites to get huge volumes of traffic for higher click through rates on adsense.

    And If what I am saying is true...then what are you really learning?
    Or is it a waste of time.......you decide.........that's not my call....I can only tell you the truth from my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author jon poland
    Everyone, thank you for your thoughts on this topic. I appreciate it.

    I have to say, the more I play with Market Samurai the more I am convinced that the focus needs to be on adding value to the market and writing for the visitor -- and not writing for the search engines.

    Yes, I believe that tools like Market Samurai can give a marketer some direction. But in the end it comes down to providing your visitors with quality content.

    Perhaps I am missing something. And if I am, I'd love to hear about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Money Maker
    P.S. I am not trying to come across as a Mr Know It all........I just wanted to open a few eyes.............if you choose to use the software I hope it works well for anyone doing that.... Thanks
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