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17 years ago

That's great. I have a very similar setup to this on a few of my sites. And i keep a chart just like that one. It doesn't seem so complicated until you see it mapped out.

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EvanBeck

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Liquification

That's great. I have a very similar setup to this on a few of my sites. And i keep a chart just like that one. It doesn't seem so complicated until you see it mapped out.

It does seem like a lot of work. This can be very time consuming, yes?

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17 years ago

Are you offering this service>?

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Raiel Schwartz

17 years ago

Huh.. That's baby stuff. What you need to do is create link wheels on the link wheels, then post 1000 backlinks to each of the properties.

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Fraggler

17 years ago

That is all that diagram is showing - link wheeling the properties of the link wheel.

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halfpoint 17 years ago

Looks pretty good. You should probably leave a link to his site, though.

I just opted in for his report about it.

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- iw 17 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Pat Jackson
  
  Looks pretty good. You should probably leave a link to his site, though.
  
  I just opted in for his report about it.
  
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rkup58

17 years ago

I actually run a service creating link wheels at another forum and to tell you the truth, that is a great diagram but I get very good results just doing wheels of 6-8 properties each. The above diagram is good when you are attacking markets with moderate-high competition and you'll need every bit of juice and links you need.

For keyword and market research I use Market Samurai which really uncovers a lot of hidden gems so I personally don't need to go all out. But that diagram has been circulated widely - I think Linus put that out (could be mistaken though) originally.

One other thing I do in my personal pursuits is definitely drive a lot of backlinks to the spokes through automated tools, some whitehat and some on the grey side. I have been experimenting in the past with another tool called "content hurricane" to spin my content and my properties ranked page 1 - 2. Too bad my domain got revoked because of trademark infringement - had a trademarked name in the URL. Only thing is that everyone was doing it, but I started outranking the company themselves (big name, very big name) within just a short 2 weeks so I guess they got nervous, lol.

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17 years ago

Originally Posted by rkup58

I actually run a service creating link wheels at another forum and to tell you the truth, that is a great diagram but I get very good results just doing wheels of 6-8 properties each. The above diagram is good when you are attacking markets with moderate-high competition and you'll need every bit of juice and links you need.

For keyword and market research I use Market Samurai which really uncovers a lot of hidden gems so I personally don't need to go all out. But that diagram has been circulated widely - I think Linus put that out (could be mistaken though) originally.

One other thing I do in my personal pursuits is definitely drive a lot of backlinks to the spokes through automated tools, some whitehat and some on the grey side. I have been experimenting in the past with another tool called "content hurricane" to spin my content and my properties ranked page 1 - 2. Too bad my domain got revoked because of trademark infringement - had a trademarked name in the URL. Only thing is that everyone was doing it, but I started outranking the company themselves (big name, very big name) within just a short 2 weeks so I guess they got nervous, lol.

I have also achieved success several times within few weeks. What i have discovered to be most important to rank your linkwheel properties well is bookmarking, Rss and Ping if you cannot get regular backlinks from High PR sites.
I will say automating these tasks and repeating them at intervals will do more good than harm

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17 years ago

Originally Posted by seo_genius

I have also achieved success several times within few weeks. What i have discovered to be most important to rank your linkwheel properties well is bookmarking, Rss and Ping if you cannot get regular backlinks from High PR sites.
I will say automating these tasks and repeating them at intervals will do more good than harm

It really depends on how competitive each keyword you are targeting for your link wheel properties. If you find the right keywords, just bookmarking and ping will do the job.

For more competitive keyword, you need High PR page rank, that's why Angela & Paul backlinks works great with this strategy!

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pts123 17 years ago

I get the concept, but what are property sites exactly ?

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17 years ago

Originally Posted by seo_genius

I have also achieved success several times within few weeks. What i have discovered to be most important to rank your linkwheel properties well is bookmarking, Rss and Ping if you cannot get regular backlinks from High PR sites.
I will say automating these tasks and repeating them at intervals will do more good than harm

If I created 5 Web2.0 with unique content, then I had 5 RSS feeds. Do you think I should submit each RSS feed to feed directory and ping or create a RSS blender from these 5 RSS feeds then submit to feed directory and ping?

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bestofcuba

17 years ago

So for medium or less competitive keywords, RSS, ping or "social" bookmarking to the link properties will do the job? And what exact RSS ping or social bookmarks are we talking about here? Can anyone give some examples? Thanks!

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17 years ago

can you put a web 2.0 link in an ezine article?

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17 years ago

This linkwheel looks really good. I did a complicated one but not like this one. Its really looks good and would like to give it a shot.

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bestofcuba

17 years ago

Can anyone explain the properties in the linkwheel (what are they and how are they chosen?) Also how do you determine whether they should link to the inner link high PR wheel or link directly to main site? Describe the linking properties to the other sites. Thanks!

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bigcat1967

17 years ago

wow - when do you guys have time to do this? I do this part-time and I have limited time. Good job.

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lemonarian

17 years ago

Haha, did I include this in the original report? ...I forget, lol.

It's not really that crazy compared to things I've done (10-20x as big).

Thanks for all the indirect compliments everyone

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4morereferrals

17 years ago

What software tool was used to draw thatdiagram? Pretty cool ... looks sharp and clean.

Originally Posted by lemonarian

Haha, did I include this in the original report? ...I forget, lol.

It's not really that crazy compared to things I've done (10-20x as big).

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dv8 17 years ago

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

What software tool was used to draw thatdiagram? Pretty cool ... looks sharp and clean.

Also curious. I have MindJet, which can do the same thing basically. But curious what software this is, I like the look of the boxes.
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DavidMeade 17 years ago

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

What software tool was used to draw thatdiagram? Pretty cool ... looks sharp and clean.

l use the same tool. It's free from bubbl.us - handy for organising and referencing my linking structure.
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JMartin 17 years ago

I also found this wheel to be clear and simple. Nice diagram actually.

I mean, you want crazy, try doing all this in your head and keeping focus at the same time.
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Banned 17 years ago

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GIahGroup

17 years ago

Thats nice but the thing is people should never copy the same structure repeatedly,

Google is getting smart to these SEO tactics and will easily discover your method if you leave too many footprints.

My advice is to download the linkwheel above and then erase all the lines then simply print it out for each new money page you have.

Then randomly add the links daily and update the lines drwan in showing the linking structure.

It also allows you to then repeat the process with each new money page bu modify the linkwheel to hide footprints from the G-bot.

Also if I am using a linkwheel structure I like to make sure each of my money pages is hosted on a unique class C IP address.

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KevinA

17 years ago

Ive done something similar, using other web 2.0 sites as the 'properties' .. not as complicated as it sounds, but using a diagram before you start defiantely helps!

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Jayson L

17 years ago

Where do you put the links? If for example you use blogger, do you just put the links in the post? Are they do follow then? Also, do you want to use a different article for each web 2.0 site?

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Raphael1

17 years ago

Nice Link wheel and it works (out of our experience) - just use it in combination with some other link building methods and you see results pretty soon (depending on the niche).

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kkchoon

17 years ago

Just use high PR links, any kind would do!

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edwatki 17 years ago

There's some mad link wheel diagrams and to be honest they can become crazy big.. google image results shows some other ones which are interesting.
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Pufferf1sh

17 years ago

Cool diagram! Again, can someone please describe what the property sites would be? Are they other Web 2.0 sites or something else?

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linkwheeler

17 years ago

It is actually quite a standard link wheel, they get A LOT more complicated than that!

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kkchoon 17 years ago

Originally Posted by linkwheeler

It is actually quite a standard link wheel, they get A LOT more complicated than that!

I would prefer more simpler diagram, may be just direct linkwheel to my site, and a lot of backlinks to those link wheels.

Seems very direct, and easier to outsource!
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- jimkirk1943 17 years ago
  
  Looks great but no one seem to answer the question about what the other `property` sites are as i would like to know too.
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17 years ago

Wow, this link wheel is very big and should apply on very competitive niche like home business.

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Glassjaw009

17 years ago

Ooooh, pretty colors. That's a pretty nice linkwheel you've got rolling there.

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edpudol1973

17 years ago

I am using this technique also of link wheel, I learned this from one of my customer who hire one of my staff as Full VA , and most of his job are all link wheel almost exactly on the diagram.

The only difference is that he required 50 rss feed submission, and 20 bookmarking submission and I prove it to some of my site that this technique works very well to low to medium keyword competition.

And I believe if you're targeting higher competition then this is a good start or one of your SEO backbone...

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charlesbrunkle

17 years ago

I also want to know what the "property" sites are........... please could someone just take 5 secs to tell us?

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kobargh 16 years ago

Originally Posted by charlesbrunkle

I also want to know what the "property" sites are........... please could someone just take 5 secs to tell us?

google.com/search?q=web+2.0+property
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snyder7

17 years ago

I haven't used brute force seo, but Senuke is definitely a game changer. You can do so much in so little time. Once you grasp the concept of how to create link wheels, you can throw out wheel after wheel with senuke.

You should give it a try. It's pricey if you go for the pro version but if you work the software, it pays for itself.

They offer a free trial for like 7 days or so.

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Matt D. 17 years ago

Ok guys, those of you who don't know what a property is ... you need to read the free PDF from lemonarian. You learn the simple stuff there. And if you searched this forum a bit, for what you are asking, I'm sure you'd find a lot of topics. So stop being a pain in the ass and use search.

If we wanted to tell you everything we'd need one looong post, for something that is available elsewhere for free.
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- mcconnon12 16 years ago
  
  Seriously, you could of just answered the question. Anyways, I will answer the question. It's just Web 2.0 properties. Some people may differ in the definition but he has some listed on there like Squidoo or Hubpage. Youtube and tumblr are other examples.
  
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17 years ago

The wheel is awesome! love it!

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Matt Gannon

17 years ago

you could also create an rss feed of the entire link wheel and submit it!

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EvanBeck 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt Gannon

you could also create an rss feed of the entire link wheel and submit it!

That's a winning idea, and in fact there are other ways to incorporate RSS into linkwheels to make them work harder for you.
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nettech

17 years ago

Do link wheels still work though?

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17 years ago

I like the wheel!

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17 years ago

Whenever I post links in my squidoo lenses they are nofollow. How do you guys get dofollow links on your squidoo lenses?

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RebeccaL

17 years ago

I've seen so many diagrams like this, they make my head spin.

Honestly, I think so many people go waaaay over the top in analyzing this stuff.
There is certainly no method or formula or map that will guarantee results.

I just don't have the patience to follow these maps to a T - though they certainly look pretty :p

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abs007 17 years ago

HI all
ive used this link wheel technique in the past. However I started to note that it was taking much longer for it to actually work. So I changed my technique in order to make it difficult for google to clearly see the footprint and the inter linking.

Below is a diagram of my technique and you can read a full explanation at the following url.

Backlinks | The link wheel technique for google domination | SEO Blog

You keep upscaling and creating more tiers. Do them for each keyword you target. I have managed to rank very well in very high competition levels also.

Im not sure if the diagram is self explanatory. You do not interlink any of the same tier properties but you rather link them to the descending tier. I know there is no actual wheel here but the technique works great.

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parasu

17 years ago

I am finding this very interesting, as quite by chance I have been doing a smaller version without knowing. This explains the results that have happened. For one keyword that I use my site is mentioned by 3 other web 2.0 sites on the first two pages of google.
But I have a question is it possible to get sub domains listed in the same way?

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jkovats

17 years ago

I have one on my desktop that I refer to. Helps me stay on track. Although it is different than the 2 examples above. If you "study" them, they can be confusing, I use mine as a reminder.

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edwatki

16 years ago

Originally Posted by jkovats

I have one on my desktop that I refer to. Helps me stay on track. Although it is different than the 2 examples above. If you "study" them, they can be confusing, I use mine as a reminder.

I don't think they need to be too crazy. As with a lot of things in lift.. simple is often better.

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stechmendonca5 16 years ago

This linkwheel seems to be very well. I did a refined one but not like this one. Its in truth it looks good and would like to give it a best shot of it .
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allanmark1133 Banned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by edwatki

I don't think they need to be too crazy. As with a lot of things in lift.. simple is often better.

yes I do agree with you bro cause the more it interlinking the it become complicated and it will be noticed by google crawler and it give you more pain cause it will count as one back links.

to be more safe side just simple one and open it,

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iamaster 16 years ago

I would love to say thanks to you for placing this brilliant thread about Link wheels. It has really solved my lot many problems. But yet i am trying to get some kind of free Directories for it. Is it possible to place?
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jiksaw213 15 years ago

well, it may take us a lot of time making this link wheel, at least a month or more!
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I use a very similar linkwheel concept
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rashbis

16 years ago

Hi guys,

Great job with all of these diagrams, I see allot of marketers practicing these kind of diverse methods for a while now, heck, I use them my self most of the time! but let me tell you one thing, from my experience over the years I've learned that - it is highly recommended for you to spend your valuable time marketing to real people then just doing all that link building to your money site! I like more viral interactive marketing for my sites, really getting to know your visitors, And let me tell you that the results are absolutely amazing.

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patriklko

16 years ago

The web link wheel app lets you visit a different web link every time you touch the reader with the same tag. After the last link, the first one is used again, etc.
So the first time you touch the reader your web mail in box might show, next your face book page, next your intranet homepage... and so on.
The number of different links you put in there is unlimited.

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aron111

16 years ago

Is there any fact in the comment that link wheels have chances to be penalized by google??
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firstdandy

16 years ago

This is very complex linkwheel. Do I need to do that for not hard competition?

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16 years ago

Dam, that looks more like a Chair-O-Planes > Chair-O-Planes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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sterday

16 years ago

I am also doing link wheel services for my regular clients, But of course not with this structure come on :p It's quite big to my eyes man. lol

But still am thinking to check this out with my own website first. Thanks man. .

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redflea13 16 years ago

You will want to keep the content on each property as unique as possible to keep from getting penalized from Google. The fewer footprints the better. Each time you build a wheel mix up how you link so that Google doesn't recognize it. I just started a link wheel about link wheels with a list of property sites. How to Build a Link Wheel
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16 years ago

I'm working on my first one. Doing it kind of slowly so I can monitor my progress. Seems to be working. Here is a squidoo page about How to Build a Link Wheel

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16 years ago

Crazy indeed, link wheels haven over here. I read at various places that you must be creative in making wheels and I haven't tried the 2 maps i found here. Gonna use it soon.

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skyzeda

16 years ago

Wow, that seems like a ton of work to build that link wheel.

I'm going to print out that diagram and put it next to my desk so when people ask what I do for a living I can just point at it.

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16 years ago

you still doing this link wheel?

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16 years ago

I find mapping out my link wheels in a mind mapping program to be the best approach.

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SEO ibiza

16 years ago

how about this one

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by SEO ibiza

how about this one

How much to outsource this... you think?

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abs007

16 years ago

Originally Posted by webmind

You guys are all fools who will follow any BS for a shortcut. These are people who get off drawing complicated looking diagrams that don't accomplish +++. You can create very simple link wheels that don't require a Ph.D in Arrogant Idiocy to get great results. Just use some common sense.

I dont think the users who created the diagrams have a phd in whatever subject- if they do then my apologies - but yeh you dont need a phd to draw such diagrams so chill - even a idiocy phd-

Calling users fools for taking interest in linkwheels is a little over the top - Let users experiment and come up with various methods - if they dont then they will not know what works - I dont think users get off drawing complicated diagrams but instead try to add value and share - not that I can say the same regarding your post!!

Originally Posted by webmind

If you think the more complicated a linkwheel looks the better it performs you are really being taken for a ride. None of this has been proven scientifically. Stop following the BS egotistical line-drawers and use a little common sense to brink link juice to your site. It does NOT have to be complicated at all.

I dont think you require scientific proof that these works - just serp proof would be fine - many members are drawing such complicated diograms in order to avoid a easy trace back by footprints - Im sure you will recall yourself how powerfull link wheels used to be - I certainly can a 1-2 day job and your at the top of google -

Google found out how this was being done - now we are trying to get the same effects which could be possible with such link wheels that reduce the footprint.

I thin the members are using their common sense when drawing these diagrams - they look great to me but alot of work - and I have no doubt that they would work - -

keep up the great shareing guys - I think your diograms rock

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SEO ibiza 16 years ago

Originally Posted by jerytohn

How much to outsource this... you think?

lol, no clue..
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Ethan Ooi 16 years ago

Originally Posted by SEO ibiza

how about this one

this one really crazy...sure take alot of times...
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aa_kusuma 16 years ago

Originally Posted by SEO ibiza

how about this one

I'm just thinking to start build more complicated link wheel just like yours.
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  Originally Posted by aa_kusuma
  
  I'm just thinking to start build more complicated link wheel just like yours.
  
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dagaul101

16 years ago

Impressive linkwheel, even more impressive visualisation, how many monthly visitors does the linkwheel generate?

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jhonsean

16 years ago

A detailed and well organized link wheel is effective with quality it is more competitive.

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Eyetrap

16 years ago

These guys have some good info in their free report and blog. I've learned some great tips from their site. > seolinkwheelers.com

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SEO ibiza

16 years ago

more tips here including how to build a linkwheel that works

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lemonarian

16 years ago

Lol is this thread still active?

Anyway... no - you don't have to go all ape**** crazy making the most complicated linking structures you can think of.

I have a multi-tiered modular linking strategy. Modular, meaning you can stop at any point you want to.

For example... you make a website and implement the first "module" so to speak. Notice what happens to your rankings and make a decision based on that. If needed, you move on to the second and then third module. If after that I still need more links, I start over from module 1.

... if that makes sense. The competition would have to be rather extreme if I were to build a gigantic linkwheel network of thousands of properties.

Impressive as many of these diagrams may be... they're not really as useful as they may appear to be.

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forsalecoza 16 years ago

Originally Posted by lemonarian

Anyway... no - you don't have to go all ape**** crazy making the most complicated linking structures you can think of....

That's right simple, and perhaps random, is better.
I took a couple of hundred blogs and made two randomized lists of them. I created links with text in between on the one list and then I took 7 of the links to each blog moving one step on the link list to put them of the blogs on the other list. That way each blog get's 7 backlinks and about 7 backlinks are placed on each blog.
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EvanBeck

15 years ago

Originally Posted by lemonarian

Lol is this thread still active?

Anyway... no - you don't have to go all ape**** crazy making the most complicated linking structures you can think of.

I have a multi-tiered modular linking strategy. Modular, meaning you can stop at any point you want to.

For example... you make a website and implement the first "module" so to speak. Notice what happens to your rankings and make a decision based on that. If needed, you move on to the second and then third module. If after that I still need more links, I start over from module 1.

... if that makes sense. The competition would have to be rather extreme if I were to build a gigantic linkwheel network of thousands of properties.

Impressive as many of these diagrams may be... they're not really as useful as they may appear to be.

Linus

Yeah, I think the key is to get started building and keep some stats. Once you get the ranking you want...you can stop building links. Then just watch and maintain.

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mclainbarbosa

16 years ago

This is business baby. What you need to do is link the wheels on the wheel link, so after 1000 backlinks for each property.

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supershoesclub

15 years ago

I think it is the normal way which many smart webmasters use to promote their website by this kind of linke wheel.this strong linkwheel system will bring you hue traffic and good SERP.It is very helpful for the beginners

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robeslick

15 years ago

It's a good diagram you have here, will try this one for my site.

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submitinme

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Nguyen

Check out how crazy this is !!!

OMG, that looks like a highly complicated link wheel. Do you think complicating link wheels would maximize the effectiveness? As far as I know, the link wheels can be simple yet effective. All we need to do is to use unique content and form a link wheel based on the social media sites. Anyways, this looks like someone has done a hardwork creating that diagram

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Illuminart

15 years ago

Mine is even crazier than that. It doesn't really matter how your linkwheel is constructed. A backlink will always be a backlink.

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nakayleng

14 years ago

The thing about linkwheels is what sort of web2.0 you are backlinking from... I got a few linkwheels made by fiver peeps and none of them work well.. i guess they are using some sort of software and creating pages on free website providers....