SEO vs. YouTube

11 years ago

What exactly is your website? Something like a directory with some Youtube videos? If it's your situation, I would try ranking for the keyword your site is about, not trying to compete with every youtube video!

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Numphios

11 years ago

No, my site is a Youtube tips site (http://youtubertips.com). While exploring keywords, I found some interesting niches that the top 10 results on Google are all youtube videos and a couple on non optimized sites. Can I hope to compete against a video if its weight comes from the YouTube domain and not necessarily the content.

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Jeff Willy

11 years ago

For your information, Youtube is an authority website and is owned by Google. In my own understanding, when it comes to keyword competition with your own and a Youtube video, definitely it would be tough. If you try search for any keyword on Google, Youtube videos are always present in the first page. If you hope to compete, it may take you a lot of time to do that, but that might be impossible.

Btw, your site looks great.

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alexchen23

11 years ago

If the videos in search results are new and not so much views, the it can be done.

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Slade556

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Numphios

I run a small and new YouTube support site. Is there any point in trying to compete for keywords that are dominated by YouTube videos?

Why not? Your question makes me think you doubt you'll have any success with your website, so what's the point in having it?
It's gonna be extra-tough, but what do you have to loose by trying?

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Numphios

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Slade556

Why not? Your question makes me think you doubt you'll have any success with your website, so what's the point in having it?
It's gonna be extra-tough, but what do you have to loose by trying?

Trying is always good, but if those keywords are highly competitive, then it makes more sense to look for other youtube related keywords to focus on. This is my first experience with a site related to YouTube and couldn't really find any SEO information about competing with a individual video.

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OmerFaruk 11 years ago

Your site is nice look, helpfully
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BenoitPaulAntoine

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Numphios

I run a small and new YouTube support site. Is there any point in trying to compete for keywords that are dominated by YouTube videos?

It depends.
Is your article a "how to" article?

Ben

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paulgl

11 years ago

See...I always have to be the bad guy. Why? Why do you people just fall over dead?

Listen, seriously. You are violating youtube TOS, which puts you in complete violation of google.

So funny for you to put,
all rights reserved
at the bottom...

End of story? Sadly, um..........no.

Paul

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Numphios

11 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

See...I always have to be the bad guy. Why? Why do you people just fall over dead?

Listen, seriously. You are violating youtube TOS, which puts you in complete violation of google.

So funny for you to put,
all rights reserved
at the bottom...

End of story? Sadly, um..........no.

Paul

Thank you Paul for taking the time to belittle me. Where there is a forum, there will always be forum trolls. I'll play along though.

Specifically, which section of the TOS am I violating?

What is wrong with adding all rights reserved?

What does "End of story? Sadly, um..........no." even mean?

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Numphios

Thank you Paul for taking the time to belittle me. Where there is a forum, there will always be forum trolls. I'll play along though.

Specifically, which section of the TOS am I violating?

What is wrong with adding all rights reserved?

What does "End of story? Sadly, um..........no." even mean?

I think Paul is correct.

If/when you rank your domain pages for anything competitive on Google SERPs you'll be drawing attention to the fact that you've taken the YouTube logo that's currently plastered all over your site. You might have tweaked it a bit but it's still the same logo.

Two strikes: Domain name + Logo

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Numphios

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I think Paul is correct.

If/when you rank your domain pages for anything competitive on Google SERPs you'll be drawing attention to the fact that you've taken the YouTube logo that's currently plastered all over your site. You might have tweaked it a bit but it's still the same logo.

Two strikes: Domain name + Logo

The domain name.is probably not an issue but the logo could be sn issue. I'll fix that.

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bind 11 years ago

Yes right, YouTube video are dominating Google SERP instantly because it is owned by google itself and also increase your brand value and support in SEO due to increase online traffic.
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nettiapina

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Numphios

The domain name.is probably not an issue but the logo could be sn issue. I'll fix that.

The logo is definitely an issue if Google wants to pursue their copyrights and trademarks.

However, in my opinion the domain name would usually be the bigger issue. Big players have definitely sent some cease & desists in similar cases. Usually people are not using other brand's logos as a major part of their branding, but just as a way to refer to a well-known thing that exists as a part of their article. It's just that the branding is much worse as a trademark violation.

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paulgl

11 years ago

Yes, I am a troll. I am a troll because I smash people dreams
of nonsense...

You are violating a whole host of google terms. None the
least of these is your domain.

And do I detect adsense on it?

You people are so daft.

You claim you are a youtube support site. WTF? You are
usurping google....what support for youtube are they going to
get from you that they cannot get from yt?

Silly rabbit. Trix are for kids!

A fool and his adsense are soon parted.

Don't incorporate Google Brand Features into your own product name, service names, trademarks, logos, or company names.
Don't copy or imitate Google's trade dress, including the look and feel of Google web design properties or Google brand packaging, distinctive color combinations, typography, graphic designs, product icons, or imagery associated with Google.
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Don't use or register Google trademarks as or incorporated in social media account names, profiles, or monikers.
Don't register Google trademarks as second or third level domain names.
Don't use Google trademarks in a way that suggests a common, descriptive, or generic meaning.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Numphios

The domain name.is probably not an issue but the logo could be sn issue. I'll fix that.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Why are you worried about Youtube videos dominating Google SERPs?

Your niche is Youtube.

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Numphios

11 years ago

Thanks for the advice. Some of you have given me some things to look into that were not really related to the question but helpful nonetheless.

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VilofySocialMedia

11 years ago

Buddy, hope you are not trying to mess up with the Google's branded keywords. YouTube is an example if you will outrank this keyword you for sure will own a million $ SEO company.

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mkgg

11 years ago

I am not sure i even understand your question but why the heck are you worried about youtube videos ?. Google shows Youtube videos and reserves a spot for them, then there are websites and they have their own spot. Google considers some terms video only and only shows videos, you can try to outrank those videos with a website but i don't know if that is even possible, i don't think even wikipedia can rank for those unless it has a video embedded because they are video only terms.

You aren't going to violate any of Google or Youtube TOS unless you are acting as their support which i don't think you are or are you ?. You have adsense approved on the site so you are fine because Google checks their adsense approved sites from time to time for compliance and if you were breaking any TOS, you would have been told.

I find it funny you run a youtube tips and tricks site but don't know a thing about youtube but thats like 90% of the people here claiming to be seo gurus and knowing squat about seo. Anyway, good luck...i doubt you will go further with what you have planned though

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paulgl

11 years ago

Originally Posted by mkgg

You aren't going to violate any of Google or Youtube TOS unless you are acting as their support which i don't think you are or are you ?. You have adsense approved on the site so you are fine because Google checks their adsense approved sites from time to time for compliance and if you were breaking any TOS, you would have been told.

Famous last words. You can put adsense on any site you please.
Google may or may not catch you. They can't possibly audit everything.

They do, however, rely on people to report things. I never do, so put
that to bed.

But I do caution people all the friggin' time:
Don't ever show a site with adsense here. You are asking for trouble.

Paul

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