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Hi, I know when web page has more PA page authority it will show first on google. but in the following example I googled the word "what is drop shipping" and I am using moz toolbar. but I am astonished why some pages with low PA are ranked higher than pages with higher PR. see the image below.


and here is another example. I googled the keyword "what to sell on ebay". result is very amazing. page with lower PA, DA and baclinks overcomes page with higher metrics.


could you please explain that to me. thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by aminsaleh View Post

    Hi, I know when web page has more PA page authority it will show first on google.
    That is not true. That is your problem. PA is highly inaccurate. There is no real correlation between PA and rankings.

    Also, PR has not been publicly updated in over 18 months. The data you are looking at for PR is ancient.
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  • Profile picture of the author aminsaleh
    would you explain more Mike. how it works if you know.

    also how I know data is not yet updated.
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  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    PA is NOT a metric that is used by Google in the ranking of a site! Where did you get the impression that it was?
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    • Profile picture of the author aminsaleh
      Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

      PA is NOT a metric that is used by Google in the ranking of a site! Where did you get the impression that it was?
      lots of seo websites say that.
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      • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
        Originally Posted by aminsaleh View Post

        lots of seo websites say that.
        Care to show us one that actually does say that?
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        • Profile picture of the author aminsaleh
          Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

          Care to show us one that actually does say that?
          this expert said that:
          5 Practical Steps To Improving Your Website

          see first few lines.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by aminsaleh View Post

            this expert said that:
            5 Practical Steps To Improving Your Website

            see first few lines.
            That is seriously one of the worst articles I have ever read.
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          • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
            Originally Posted by aminsaleh View Post

            this expert said that:
            5 Practical Steps To Improving Your Website

            see first few lines.
            I agree with Mike that it is a shocker with a number of factual errors - , but perhaps you could tell me where in that article it says anything about it affecting the Google rankings (esp in the first two lines!)?
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

              I agree with Mike that it is a shocker , but perhaps you could tell me where in that article it says anything about it affecting the Google rankings (esp in the first two lines!)?
              It does pretty much imply that in that opening paragraph, don't you think?
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            • Profile picture of the author aminsaleh
              Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

              I agree with Mike that it is a shocker with a number of factual errors - , but perhaps you could tell me where in that article it says anything about it affecting the Google rankings (esp in the first two lines!)?

              see this

              " Domain Authority (DA) is a website metric developed by Moz. It is one of the most important numbers known to SEOs. The greater your DA, the more likely you are to have strong traffic and high rank."

              He said: It is one of the most important numbers known to SEOs

              also : The greater your DA, the more likely you are to have strong traffic and high rank
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by aminsaleh View Post

                see this

                " Domain Authority (DA) is a website metric developed by Moz. It is one of the most important numbers known to SEOs. The greater your DA, the more likely you are to have strong traffic and high rank."

                He said: It is one of the most important numbers known to SEOs

                also : The greater your DA, the more likely you are to have strong traffic and high rank
                He lied.

                Get used to it. Most marketers online do that.
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                • Profile picture of the author aminsaleh
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  He lied.

                  Get used to it. Most marketers online do that.
                  where it is. would you show the url to it plz.
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                • Profile picture of the author aminsaleh
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  He lied.

                  Get used to it. Most marketers online do that.

                  WHAT?

                  He claimed he helped companies like techcrunch, amazon and top companies to increase traffic and sales.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                    Originally Posted by aminsaleh View Post

                    WHAT?

                    He claimed he helped companies like techcrunch, amazon and top companies to increase traffic and sales.
                    And I have no doubt that he did. It wasn't by focusing on improving the PA/DA of those sites though.

                    PA and DA are metrics created by Moz based on their data. Those metrics are not used by Google and do not play a role in rankings.
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                • Profile picture of the author sonjay
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  He lied.
                  Can't help but smile here.
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              • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
                Originally Posted by aminsaleh View Post

                He said: It is one of the most important numbers known to SEOs
                This one definitely has the taste of vintage Neil Patel. Sour, foul, and after reading a bit you've probably thrown up in your mouth a little. You can't be quite sure if he gets something right by pure change, or if there's a method to his madness.

                Here's really good at selling stuff, tho.
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                Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

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              • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
                Originally Posted by aminsaleh View Post

                also : The greater your DA, the more likely you are to have strong traffic and high rank
                Which you proved wrong with your first post above!!
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

                  Which you proved wrong with your first post above!!
                  It is rather odd that people see direct proof contradicting most of the SEO bs out there on a regular basis staring them in the face, and still question it.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by aminsaleh View Post

        lots of seo websites say that.
        Most "SEO websites" are clueless to how SEO actually works.
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  • Profile picture of the author AadhyaMehra
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    Ranking on first page of Google doesn't depend on PR factor. Google has very low value for PR. Ranking high on Google completely depends on quantity and quality of backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
      Originally Posted by AadhyaMehra View Post

      Ranking on first page of Google doesn't depend on PR factor. Google has very low value for PR. Ranking high on Google completely depends on quantity and quality of backlinks.
      ...and WTF has that got to do with the topic of this thread?
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    • Profile picture of the author zimmerseo
      Originally Posted by AadhyaMehra View Post

      Ranking on first page of Google doesn't depend on PR factor. Google has very low value for PR. Ranking high on Google completely depends on quantity and quality of backlinks.
      I have to disagree with you there. PR is the back bone of their algorithm. I've said it before many times and I'll say it again.

      Just because it's not updated publicly, does not mean it's not updated every day, all day long by Google.

      When you say, "Ranking high on Google completely depends on quantity and quality of backlinks." you are right, but the quality of those backlinks have to be measured against each other by search engines. PR is how Google has always done this and still does.

      When Google stopped updating it's PR publicly, people were desperate for an easy, one click way to measure the quality of a domain and in stepped Majestic, SEO Moz and Ahrefs. The problem is, their metrics are based on the number of backlinks and the number of IP's and sub nets they come from. There metrics are IN NO WAY an accurate measure of the domains quality compared to PR. You could write a pile of jibberish, build links to it and it would have good MOZ metrics.

      Of course, a websites toolbar PR 'might' be out of date, but you can confirm the accuracy of it in a couple of seconds by checking it's backlinks. I build PBN's for my clients all day long and I can tell you, I've never personally based the quality of a domain on them. As a matter of fact, low quality domains with thousands of low quality backlinks can have great metrics and expired domains with a potential PR of 5 will have poor metrics. Although the PR wont show up in the tool bar, the links exist and point to the domain to give it it's PR of 5, should it be updated.

      I've had to turn away clients in the past because they insist that the domains in their PBN have good Moz metrics, simply because I know they wont improve their sites rankings in Google and I'm not going to waste my time and their money building a PBN that will under perform.
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    Look at their sales funnel, it's the only thing useful.
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  • Profile picture of the author mkgg
    quicksprout does have some good articles but the article in question is old, a lot of things have changed with regards to google in a year so please ignore that article completely and listen to what Mike and others said in this thread.

    He claimed he helped companies like techcrunch, amazon and top companies to increase traffic and sales.
    I believe he did but because he probably got paid handsomely for it and i doubt it was for link-building but another aspect of marketing. I honestly don't think techcrunch or amazon need any help with link-building or whatever is explained in the article in question.
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  • Profile picture of the author aminsaleh
    Ok I got it. do you have any clue in how get do follow relevant backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author mkgg
      Originally Posted by aminsaleh View Post

      Ok I got it. do you have any clue in how get do follow relevant backlinks.
      Build a PBN.
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      • Profile picture of the author aminsaleh
        Originally Posted by mkgg View Post

        Build a PBN.
        Is it private blog network. do you have any recommendation or tutorial about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author deezn
          Originally Posted by aminsaleh View Post

          Is it private blog network. do you have any recommendation or tutorial about it.
          Yeah, the link is in MikeF's sig.

          Neil Patel is a great entrepreneur and I like reading him but I would never rely on him for SEO advice. He writes what the masses want to hear, and then he gets links. That's his SEO. But you can't replicate that on most businesses.

          Mike's course is the second best thing I've done online, right behind buying Matt LaClear's $99 guaranteed page 1 ranking service

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