by mc9320
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How do you do on page SEO these days? Can you overdo it by over using a keyword? I optimize a page with a keyword in title tag, description, h1 tag, alt text for images etc. Good content length aswell, but no backlinking.

However one page might on page 1 for one keyword, and one might be lower than page 10 for another.

Both keywords don't have much competition either.

Seems impossible for me to understand how Google ranks pages!
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  • Profile picture of the author metricbuzz88
    How do you do on page SEO these days?
    I started analysing the whole website manually, especially the homepage (Checking matches of Google 200 signals)or by using SEO review tools (I made my own tool MetricBuzz.com) that gives you the most required onsite edits for a website.

    Can you overdo it by over using a keyword?
    It's a vintage technique, Google bots can easily find you for over onsite optimization. It has no mercy to kick you out if you are not a brand. Of course Google staretd kicking out the brands.

    Meta Description
    Google sets the description automatically from the website based on the search query when the Meta description tag is empty or not presented in the website. Also I can see many complaints that Google doesn't takes my Meta Title and description.

    Keyword optimization
    You can target 5 keywords for 1 page. Take a read about keyword proximity, stuffing, prominence, frequncy, quality.

    How Google ranks Pages
    Google takes many considerations in ranking a website/webpage (Google 200 signals) - It doesn't take all the 200 but it takes at least some of them.
    You must also read how "Google search engine works".
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  • Try adding your main keyword in the Title tags and couple of times in the Meta description. Publish the pages on Social media and specifically on G+. It's a great source to get a good PR as Google gives the priority to its database first and then the other sources. Write valuable contents for blogs and articles and try submitting the url with accurate keywords and description to various submission directories, it takes time but it is highly effective.
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  • Originally Posted by mc9320 View Post

    How do you do on page SEO these days? Can you overdo it by over using a keyword? I optimize a page with a keyword in title tag, description, h1 tag, alt text for images etc. Good content length aswell, but no backlinking.

    However one page might on page 1 for one keyword, and one might be lower than page 10 for another.

    Both keywords don't have much competition either.

    Seems impossible for me to understand how Google ranks pages!
    There are lot of important things along with these. You should focus on those too. Like- mobile firendly, user experience, W3C validation, CSS validation, publisher tag etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author sureshgupta
    On Page SEO Techniques are the best way to improve your blog ranking on Major search engines like Google, Bing and Yahoo etc. It also helps you to increase the number of readers/visitors and grows your website value on the web.

    The factors he put on the list as being more important in 2015 are:

    1.User experience metrics (all of them)
    2.Shorter title tags
    3.Original content
    4.Engaging content that provides an answer, teaches, informs, is useful, delights
    5.Original images
    6.Quality site design
    7.Descriptive meta description
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  • Profile picture of the author jameswilliam724
    On page strategy isn't change yet though. Try to follow the same thing that were followed by many peoples before.

    Follow all these for your On Page SEO.

    Title - 56 chars
    Description - 156 chars
    Unique content
    Good Web design
    Responsive design
    Alt tags
    Proper use of Heading tags
    Properly set internal and external links
    Your keyword as hyperlink
    Sitemap inclusion
    Website Speed
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by mc9320 View Post

    How do you do on page SEO these days? Can you overdo it by over using a keyword? I optimize a page with a keyword in title tag, description, h1 tag, alt text for images etc. Good content length aswell, but no backlinking.

    However one page might on page 1 for one keyword, and one might be lower than page 10 for another.

    Both keywords don't have much competition either.

    Seems impossible for me to understand how Google ranks pages!

    No it is not impossible to understand. The primary ranking factor in their search engine is still links. If you are not attracting and/or building any, your ranking results are not going to be very consistent.

    Anyhow, this is a pretty solid onpage optimization guide http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...ion-guide.html
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  • Profile picture of the author worldprime
    Hey mc9320,

    On page SEO techniques are the best way to increase your readers, viewers, visitors of your site. Just follow this techniques.

    1. Blog post title.
    2. Post permalink structure.
    3. Heading tags.
    4. Keyword density.
    5. Word count per post.
    6. Meta tags.
    7. Content interlinking.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by worldprime View Post

      Hey mc9320,

      On page SEO techniques are the best way to increase your readers, viewers, visitors of your site. Just follow this techniques.

      1. Blog post title.
      2. Post permalink structure.
      3. Heading tags.
      4. Keyword density.
      5. Word count per post.
      6. Meta tags.
      7. Content interlinking.





      1. Blog post title.
      2. Post permalink structure.
      3. Heading tags.
      4. Keyword density. (Fail)
      5. Word count per post. (Fail)
      6. Meta tags. (Fail)
      7. Content interlinking.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dokemion
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        1. Blog post title.
        2. Post permalink structure.
        3. Heading tags.
        4. Keyword density. (Fail)
        5. Word count per post. (Fail)
        6. Meta tags. (Fail)
        7. Content interlinking.
        LoL! That FAIL
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  • Profile picture of the author deepakrajput
    Update Unique Meta Title, Description with quality content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dokemion
    When it comes to On-Page 80% of SEO's who are in this career or business fail to understand how it should be done.

    On-Page Optimization plays a complicated component in getting good ranking in search engines unlike Off-Page where we just build quality backlinks...In an On-Page Optimization you'll need to have technical SEO skills and requires an advance/expert knowledge in html/css/php and must know how to use and apply those codes while considering many other aspects such as your content structure, content value, site structure, site speed, visitors interaction or whatever it's called.

    If you're knowledge in On-Page only revolves around these following:
    1. Blog post title.
    2. Post permalink structure.
    3. Heading tags.
    4. Keyword density.
    5. Word count per post.
    6. Meta tags.
    7. Content interlinking.

    Then you're one among the 80% of SEO's who fail in On-Page optimization most-likely your target keywords are failing in their rankings too.
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  • Profile picture of the author dronehawk
    Keyword density should not exceed 2% to be on the safe side to avoid over optimization.
    Url structure, meta tags, title, alt tags, site speed are what determines your on page seo nowadays.
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    • Profile picture of the author sparrow
      Originally Posted by metricbuzz88 View Post

      Can you overdo it by over using a keyword?
      It's a vintage technique, Google bots can easily find you for over onsite optimization. It has no mercy to kick you out if you are not a brand. Of course Google staretd kicking out the brands.
      Originally Posted by dronehawk View Post

      Keyword density should not exceed 2% to be on the safe side to avoid over optimization.
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      It's obvious these comments have not been tested and just someone repeating a myth or a general rule

      In some niches and keywords this still works(hush)

      I rank for many keywords top 3 many times taking 3-4 spots in top 10 intentionally for keyword stuffing to test out the algorithm

      every niche, every keyword set has a different set of rules and you don't know until you test this out

      test, test and test some more you will be surprised what you will learn instead of listening to people repeating other people
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    • Profile picture of the author rohanjha
      Originally Posted by rajeshhome View Post

      On Page SEO Tips,

      1. Optimize your site with keywords
      2. URL Optimization
      3. Image Optimization
      4. keyword Optimization
      5. Content Optimization
      Also Internal linking
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  • Profile picture of the author EJ Lear
    The folks above have given you good advice, just wanted to add this for you:

    If you are using Wordpress you can over-optimize very easily if you use tags or categories with your main keyword in them. Setup is crucial because the way Wordpress is setup by default you can shoot yourself in the foot by just setting up your categories and tags incorrectly. I've had success using LSI words for category names so that the pages or posts that I want to rank for don't necessarily have the keyword in them (in the category of tag names), this prevents over-optimization.

    Here's a link to an LSI phrase/wordgenerator: LSIGraph: LSI Keyword Generator

    Do a test post and then open the source code and check your code for over optimization using either Ctrl+F for your keywords or use an online keyword density too like this one: Free Keyword Density Analyzer Tool

    Hope this helps you out :-)

    Peace,
    EJ Lear

    PS: I'm not affiliated with the sites above, just use their tools.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hanney
    That's the whole idea that Google doesn't let us know how the rank things. They give us some information but there is a combination of over 200 factors, on-page is just a small part.

    Question, how do you know the competition is low for these keywords, what are you basing that on?

    Basic on page covers:
    - URL Structure
    - Title Tag
    - H1 - H4 tags
    - Meta Description
    - Image Alt
    - Anchor Text
    - Internal Linking
    - Page Load Speed
    - Scheme Mark Up
    - Image Optimisation (compress file size)
    - Content Quality (length, UX with time on site, social shares, mixed media with video, audio, graphics, text etc).

    The list goes on and on, then you have all the other aspects with off page. On top of that you have no control over what your competition are doing and only partial access to what they are really doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author anuraggupta
    Focus On :-

    Content Quality
    Meta Title
    Meta Description
    Meta Keywords
    Meta URL
    Sitamap.xml
    Robots.txt
    Google Analytic
    Google Webmaster
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  • Profile picture of the author ahmansoor
    1. Page Title
    2. Unique quality content
    3. Page speed
    4. URL structure
    5. Keyword prominence
    6. Image Optimization
    7. Internal Linking
    8. Good responsive website design
    9. Meta description for conversion
    10. Crawl-ability
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  • Profile picture of the author johnfsander
    Don't use same keyword again and again, try to use some variations in your meta keywords and description. It is true that on-page is not just about metas, lost of other things are involve in this method such as URL structure, breadcrumb, images optimization, alt tags, internal linking, user-friendly contact form and more.
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  • Profile picture of the author PrinceKapoor
    If you dream of getting valuable traffic that can convert well, you need to optimize your website for your audience. Here are some factors that I consider while doing on page SEO of any website :

    1. Website Accessibility
    2. XML Sitemaps
    3. Robots.txt
    4. Keyword Research and meta tags updation as per keywords
    5. H1 Tags
    6. Creating Unique Content
    7. Mobile responsive web design
    8. Website Speed 9. Broken links (If any)
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    • Profile picture of the author arpita12
      H1 tag
      robots text
      xml sitemap
      url structure
      keyword density
      internal linking
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  • Profile picture of the author LifeIs2Gr8
    Google hates repeated use of the same keywords. So avoid spamming and work with semantic terms instead. Google picks up synonyms and logically related 'sub-keyword'as quality content.

    When doing hyperlinks, anchor text should also bear the relevant keywords for someone to click it away from. One way links are considered more valuable than reciprocal links.

    Yes and permalink structure as well. For instance for domain.com/category/postname, be sure to have keywords in those category names and post titles in place to get it fully picked up by the search engine.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      I think people just don't understand what keyword stuffing is. They think that repeating a keyword many times it's keyword stuffing.

      If they understood that keyword stuffing is repeating a keyword stupidly, for no other reason that just to repeat, they'd stop this crap.

      Keyword... fat thighs.

      Title: How Fat Thighs Got Mike in Trouble

      I hate fat thighs, Mike says.
      Why do you hate fat thighs, Jillian asks.
      What? Doesn't everybody hate fat thighs?
      You're an idiot, Jillian said. I hate you. And she walked her fat thighs out of the room; went directly to her attorney to start divorce proceedings against Mike.
      You're divorcing him just because he hates fat thighs, Jillian's attorney asked. Isn't that kind of... and he shook his head.

      I do believe the keyword density is quite high but there's no keyword stuffing.

      Keyword:
      losing weight fast.

      Losing weight fast is a difficult task especially for people who are not accustomed to losing weight fast because losing weight fast is not the same as losing weight; losing weight fast is a lot more difficult.

      I rest my case.

      Originally Posted by sparrow View Post

      It's obvious these comments have not been tested and just someone repeating a myth or a general rule

      In some niches and keywords this still works(hush)

      I rank for many keywords top 3 many times taking 3-4 spots in top 10 intentionally for keyword stuffing to test out the algorithm

      every niche, every keyword set has a different set of rules and you don't know until you test this out

      test, test and test some more you will be surprised what you will learn instead of listening to people repeating other people
      Don't be silly!

      Originally Posted by LifeIs2Gr8 View Post

      Google hates repeated use of the same keywords. So avoid spamming and work with semantic terms instead. Google picks up synonyms and logically related 'sub-keyword'as quality content.

      When doing hyperlinks, anchor text should also bear the relevant keywords for someone to click it away from. One way links are considered more valuable than reciprocal links.

      Yes and permalink structure as well. For instance for domain.com/category/postname, be sure to have keywords in those category names and post titles in place to get it fully picked up by the search engine.
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      • Profile picture of the author LifeIs2Gr8
        Repeating keywords in full context may not do much harm in general though that can sound pretty stupid to a reader if they are repeated too much, but I was replying to the OP on his concerns on title tag, description, h1,2,3, etc, or other SEO plugin keyword and tagging function for that matter.

        Repeating "fat thighs" like a broken record in the limited characters given or encouraged in those codings is like firing all of your arrows at that one soldier when the rest of his troop are coming at you. That is a suicidal warrior.
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        • Profile picture of the author airallineed
          keywords don't affect your ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author richasharma
    Here is the effective On-page technique:
    Meta Title
    Meta Description
    Meta Keywords
    Meta URL
    Sitamap.xml
    Robots.txt
    Google Analytic
    Google Webmaster
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSEOWhiz
    Simple, clean On Page SEO is the key.

    Meta Titles should be 3 - 4 keywords
    Description should include 3 or 4 keywords
    H1 tag with same 3 or 4 keywords
    Content should be 2000 words or more.

    Do this and you'll have a strong chance of ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author supereek
      Originally Posted by TheSEOWhiz View Post

      Simple, clean On Page SEO is the key.

      Content should be 2000 words or more.
      I personally don't believe in that. There are many sites ranking for articles of 500-800 words. Some subjects are just not that broad to write 2k words about them.
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