SEO, backlinks and patience

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I recently built a niche site, made sure it looked good and had a solid plan in terms of keywords and SEO to make sure it ranks high for a specific keyword, as well as ranking some articles related to it to bring extra traffic. I've been building high PR dofollow backlinks(mostly with the help of WSO's) for the last couple of weeks on a pretty consistent basis to both the main site and the articles but it seems they are currently doing the 'google dance' as they have either slipped down the rankings substantially(in the case of the main site) or disappeared completely(in the case of a couple of the articles).

When I open up Market Samurai it tells me that a very small amount of these backlinks I've been building have been counted. I know it takes time for them to be indexed and often they aren't displayed in google and yahoo, but I'm struggling with motivation and patience as a result I know I need to snap out of it - I have a decent site(IMO anyway), and in time I should get a decent amount of organic SE traffic, which should hopefully lead to more sales(I've made one already).

I guess I'm just asking how you guys stay motivated to keep building backlinks and doing everything you can to rank your sites and articles. I know SEO isn't the be all and end all, but it's where I feel a large percentage of my traffic and sales is going to eventually come from. Day after day not seeing my site and articles on the front page of google(I have thoroughly researched the niche and keywords in order to get there) is getting difficult, and I have no idea how long it is going to continue. How do you deal with this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    There's one big secret to SEM..............

    Make it your backup plan.

    Many people ignore properly thinking about how they're expecting to make money and outsource the concern to expecting their link building to make all the difference.

    The most important thing you can remember about search engines is - YOU DON'T CONTROL THEM.

    You can't "expect" ANY results. You literally have zero control.

    you know what 'should' help, and what 'might' help - even what 'has worked for others', or 'worked in the past'.

    but in reality - you have no reason to have any expectation of the search engines behaving in a certain way right now.

    Yes, it's good to factor them in and give them food so that you've tipped the scales in your favour - but if you're trying to make a living from the internet you need a more robust plan.

    Always have your seo be a 'supporting' factor in your business rather than expecting it to replace your business or be the only thing you care about.

    If the search engines turned off tomorrow - you want to still have a business left (ask all the Adsense whores who had to go and get jobs when Google slapped them a couple of years ago).

    This business needs a little more attention than throwing up stuff and hoping it sticks.

    So - PPC will always work if you learn it properly.

    You can find places that have real visitors and traffic and integrate with how they're getting it in many ways.

    You can pay for advertising, or just be creative in how you attract attention.

    But when it comes to search engine traffic - the only thing you can do wrong - is have expectations about things you don't control.

    Do yourself a favor and learn this lesson now - it will save you a LOT of time and money.

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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      There's one big secret to SEM..............

      Make it your backup plan.

      Many people ignore properly thinking about how they're expecting to make money and outsource the concern to expecting their link building to make all the difference.

      The most important thing you can remember about search engines is - YOU DON'T CONTROL THEM.

      You can't "expect" ANY results. You literally have zero control.

      you know what 'should' help, and what 'might' help - even what 'has worked for others', or 'worked in the past'.

      but in reality - you have no reason to have any expectation of the search engines behaving in a certain way right now.

      Yes, it's good to factor them in and give them food so that you've tipped the scales in your favour - but if you're trying to make a living from the internet you need a more robust plan.

      Always have your seo be a 'supporting' factor in your business rather than expecting it to replace your business or be the only thing you care about.

      If the search engines turned off tomorrow - you want to still have a business left (ask all the Adsense whores who had to go and get jobs when Google slapped them a couple of years ago).

      This business needs a little more attention than throwing up stuff and hoping it sticks.

      So - PPC will always work if you learn it properly.

      You can find places that have real visitors and traffic and integrate with how they're getting it in many ways.

      You can pay for advertising, or just be creative in how you attract attention.

      But when it comes to search engine traffic - the only thing you can do wrong - is have expectations about things you don't control.

      Do yourself a favor and learn this lesson now - it will save you a LOT of time and money.

      Andy
      Thanks Andy, this is exactly the kind of advice I needed I AM making the mistake of expecting results from the SE Up until a couple of months ago, I knew very little about SEO and I was trying to make my way in the make money online niche. I was doing this without researching keywords, analyzing my competition, building high PR backlinks, SEO optimizing my sites etc etc. I had some limited success, but once I joined the WF I realised I was neglecting so many areas - the big one being SEO. So I think I have now gone in the opposite direction - I've meticulously researched a niche, optimized a site around keywords, carefully built backlinks, constantly analysed the competition - all with the goal of getting a daily stream of organic visitors. The only other thing I have really done is to submit articles. It was actually an article that brought me the one sale I have so far.

      From now on I'm going to branch out and try not to have any expectations in terms of the SE's. I'll keep on building backlinks of course, but even though I know I can't control the SE's - I know I can control myself and what I do every day. Thanks again
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    • Profile picture of the author Julian Lockhart
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post


      This business needs a little more attention than throwing up stuff and hoping it sticks.

      Andy
      Thanks - I've spent a lot of time doing little things in a scatter shot approach.
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  • I don't deal with it

    Go out and write webmasters and bloggers and tell them about your site. Don't ask for links, just tell them about it and why they'd like it.

    If you're embarrassed about doing this or don't have something worth writing about then make your site better.

    If you're site is good links/people will follow.

    Traffic you get from not google and by your own efforts is gold.

    maybe go buy some traffic and see if your pages actually convert or make you any money if not you are wasting your time with the link building and trying to rank in the first place.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Originally Posted by digitalproductreporter View Post

      I don't deal with it

      Go out and write webmasters and bloggers and tell them about your site. Don't ask for links, just tell them about it and why they'd like it.

      If you're embarrassed about doing this or don't have something worth writing about then make your site better.

      If you're site is good links/people will follow.

      Traffic you get from not google and by your own efforts is gold.

      maybe go buy some traffic and see if your pages actually convert or make you any money if not you are wasting your time with the link building and trying to rank in the first place.
      I've never even considered writing webmasters/bloggers to tell them about the site - thanks for the tip The site converted off just a few clickthroughs from some articles that went live on EZA last week, so I'm pretty optimistic.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Originally Posted by Crubalo View Post

    I recently built a niche site, made sure it looked good and had a solid plan in terms of keywords and SEO to make sure it ranks high for a specific keyword, as well as ranking some articles related to it to bring extra traffic. I've been building high PR dofollow backlinks(mostly with the help of WSO's) for the last couple of weeks on a pretty consistent basis to both the main site and the articles but it seems they are currently doing the 'google dance' as they have either slipped down the rankings substantially(in the case of the main site) or disappeared completely(in the case of a couple of the articles).
    You must have patient.

    I keep telling people to start with low competition keyword, even if the searches is low!

    The problem that most people had with search marketing - lack of experience to rank on page 1. You must keep track your number of competition, and how fast you can rank for it, from there, slowly scale up your competition and accumulate more experiences with higher competition keyword.

    Don't get frustrated with no traffic, you don't expect much traffic when you first started! As your gain more experience, you will start to find better traffic keywords that fall within your ability to rank!

    Originally Posted by Crubalo View Post

    When I open up Market Samurai it tells me that a very small amount of these backlinks I've been building have been counted. I know it takes time for them to be indexed and often they aren't displayed in google and yahoo, but I'm struggling with motivation and patience as a result I know I need to snap out of it - I have a decent site(IMO anyway), and in time I should get a decent amount of organic SE traffic, which should hopefully lead to more sales(I've made one already).
    Don't check your rank everyday, just don't do it!

    I fall into this once, and now I only look at them weekly. Give your site and articles at least 1 week, and expect the worst of 3 weeks before rank.

    What you need to do is keep finding more keywords, writing more articles and building more links. DON'T wait till you see result!

    After 3 weeks, if your articles and site not rank, meaning the keyword you pick is too competitive! You need more back links and keep build more...

    There is a point where you starts to see all articles ranked! And that is when you build up the confidence with SEO!!

    When you pick keyword, try to find keywords with allintitle - less than 1K. You should be easily rank with those keywords in 1 or 2 weeks!

    Originally Posted by Crubalo View Post

    I guess I'm just asking how you guys stay motivated to keep building backlinks and doing everything you can to rank your sites and articles. I know SEO isn't the be all and end all, but it's where I feel a large percentage of my traffic and sales is going to eventually come from. Day after day not seeing my site and articles on the front page of google(I have thoroughly researched the niche and keywords in order to get there) is getting difficult, and I have no idea how long it is going to continue. How do you deal with this?
    Don't go and track your result by day, do it by weeks! You have better things to do, just do it.

    I once just like you, and it kills all my mood. When I start to realize the problem, I just have faith in it, throwing tons of resources to build back links until I see it rank!

    Be patient, just do it! Have faith, just like religion and it will finally work out! Remember - track by week, not days!

    - Kok Choon
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    • Profile picture of the author Liam Hamer
      Thanks Kok, that's some great advice Getting into the habit of checking rankings weekly instead of daily is going to be difficult, but it will benefit other areas for sure. I'm constantly looking for other keywords to go after too, and I do feel I'm improving with experience
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  • Profile picture of the author Kappa
    I don't have any advice, because I am in the same boat as you. I have been working on getting traffic in other ways besides SE in the meantime. It's pretty satisfying to get traffic through articles or forum signatures as well. Also, you can augment your efforts through social bookmarking, RSS, and make sure you update content on your daily or even 2 times a day so that Google knows your site is dynamic. It does take a lot of patience, I have had a rough week because I ran out of cash for PPC and traffic has been meager to say the least.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    You should probably also build backlinks to your backlinks. Do this by bookmarking on digg, propeller, make a blogger blog, anything that will make google stumble over your links. Things will go a lot faster (at least they have been going faster for me) after that.

    Originally Posted by Crubalo View Post

    I recently built a niche site, made sure it looked good and had a solid plan in terms of keywords and SEO to make sure it ranks high for a specific keyword, as well as ranking some articles related to it to bring extra traffic. I've been building high PR dofollow backlinks(mostly with the help of WSO's) for the last couple of weeks on a pretty consistent basis to both the main site and the articles but it seems they are currently doing the 'google dance' as they have either slipped down the rankings substantially(in the case of the main site) or disappeared completely(in the case of a couple of the articles).

    When I open up Market Samurai it tells me that a very small amount of these backlinks I've been building have been counted. I know it takes time for them to be indexed and often they aren't displayed in google and yahoo, but I'm struggling with motivation and patience as a result I know I need to snap out of it - I have a decent site(IMO anyway), and in time I should get a decent amount of organic SE traffic, which should hopefully lead to more sales(I've made one already).

    I guess I'm just asking how you guys stay motivated to keep building backlinks and doing everything you can to rank your sites and articles. I know SEO isn't the be all and end all, but it's where I feel a large percentage of my traffic and sales is going to eventually come from. Day after day not seeing my site and articles on the front page of google(I have thoroughly researched the niche and keywords in order to get there) is getting difficult, and I have no idea how long it is going to continue. How do you deal with this?
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    • Profile picture of the author ricsale
      Staying motivated whilst waiting for the traffic is sometimes a difficult task.

      I am not sure whether you have a blog or a website. A correctly setup wordpress blog should start to rank quite quickly for the low competition phrases. All you really need to do now is write a post each week and use social bookmarking etc to promote.

      If you have a tailor made website then in my experience it can take longer.

      The best advice I can pass on would be to start a second site on another topic.

      I was taught to build sites with some 5 articles. Then promote for a while then forget. Start another website.

      Monitor the Google Webmaster stats for all your sites to see when they start to pick up traffic. As soon as they move start to promote again.

      So perhaps it is time to start a new project.

      I have some sites that never got anywhere even though I did the keyword analysis.

      Rich
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  • Profile picture of the author Stallion
    I think having other projects going on at the same time helps a lot. If you're essentially nursing one website than your attention is focused on its progress (or lack there of). But having other sites to work on keeps you busy and you'll typically have them firing and keeping you positive.
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