Would this be keyword stuffing?

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Hey guys, I had been told on this forum a few months back that google will piece together words in a sentence and will recognize a kw. So for example if I were to have a few kw's which I would like to use on a page like:

computer repair services
computer repair nyc
computer repair in queens
computer repair technician

and I write a sentence on my page:

I am a computer repair technician who provide services in queens, NYC.

That sentence will cover all 4 kw's. Now, if I were to use each of those kw's separately within the content of the page, would google see this as kw stuffing please?
#keyword #stuffing
  • Profile picture of the author davejarvys
    Originally Posted by mikehende View Post

    Hey guys, I had been told on this forum a few months back that google will piece together words in a sentence and will recognize a kw. So for example if I were to have a few kw's which I would like to use on a page like:

    computer repair services
    computer repair nyc
    computer repair in queens
    computer repair technician

    and I write a sentence on my page:

    I am a computer repair technician who provide services in queens, NYC.

    That sentence will cover all 4 kw's. Now, if I were to use each of those kw's separately within the content of the page, would google see this as kw stuffing please?
    As a general rule I wouldn't be bothered about repeating a phrase or keyword as long as it is in a natural place. Without seeing the text it's hard to say if it is keyword stuffing but if I use your example

    I am a computer repair tech who provide services in queens, NYC.

    If I were to keyword stuff it it would end up looking something like:

    I am a computer repair technician who provides computer repair services. I provide computer repair in Queens and computer repair in New York.

    So as long as the rest of the page doesn't look like my modified paragraph you should be ok.

    With a word like repair look to take advantage of LSI with the like of broke and broken.

    Away from SEO I'd do change the tense of your sentence you posted earlier and also provide some authority in the sentence.

    Ie

    I am a [insert trade recognised qualification] computer repair technician providing services in Queens and NYC.

    Edit: After providing I would include a value proposition as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Originally Posted by mikehende View Post

    That sentence will cover all 4 kw's. Now, if I were to use each of those kw's separately within the content of the page, would google see this as kw stuffing please?
    Google won't give a rat's behind about 99% of what people actually think is content on a page.

    What you propose to do, is gibberish. NOT keyword stuffing.

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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    Hi, Mike

    If it belongs every time, it ain't keyword-stuffing, no matter how many times it appears on the page. If it doesn't belong at all, it's keyword-stuffing even if it appears on the page only one time.


    Say, the keyword is ball: The man who kicked my ball out of the park was carrying a blue ball in his left hand and a yellow ball in his right hand.

    Not keyword-stuffing though you could use 'a yellow one in his right hand.'

    Here's stuffing:

    Stuffing with mortgage keywords:
    A mortgage broker helps people who cannot get a mortgage loan get a mortgage loan and it doesn't matter if it's a big mortgage loan or a small mortgage loan. A good mortgage broker gets you a good mortgage loan, a bad mortgage broker gets you a bad mortgage loan.

    Stuffing with blue ball: A mortgage broker gets borrowers home loans. Blue ball. A good one will not only get you a low-rate but also low closing costs and the process will be smooth.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ellen Chedid
    It is not stuffing if it makes sense. If it is obviously overused in one sentence when it is not necessary then its stuffing.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    That is not stuffing at all; however, we generally only target one keyword phrase on a page (sometimes two if it is a combination of two phrases like "computer repair services in Queens").
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    • Profile picture of the author mikehende
      Thanks guys, can you tell me if having a priority kw in the meta title, meta description, h tag and in the content so 4 times overall, is that kw stuffing?
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      • Profile picture of the author hometutor
        Originally Posted by mikehende View Post

        Thanks guys, can you tell me if having a priority kw in the meta title, meta description, h tag and in the content so 4 times overall, is that kw stuffing?
        No that's good SEO. If you have have your keyword as part of your url even better.

        Rick
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Originally Posted by hometutor View Post

          No that's good SEO. If you have have your keyword as part of your url even better.

          Rick
          You are one big fail. The guy asks about meta title,and you say that's good seo.

          No it aint. Meta title has not been used since 1996.....

          Blind leading the blind.

          Now that's REALLY not helpful.

          Paul
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          • Profile picture of the author hometutor
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            You are one big fail. The guy asks about meta title,and you say that's good seo.

            No it aint. Meta title has not been used since 1996.....

            Blind leading the blind.

            Now that's REALLY not helpful.

            Paul
            Title tag helps both humans and search engines. This has not changed.
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            • Profile picture of the author KylieSweet
              Originally Posted by hometutor View Post

              No that's good SEO. If you have have your keyword as part of your url even better.
              I wonder how did you say that its not good SEO? Kindly explain. Did you know that Google is aware on using keyword within the URL? If not, Now its really not good SEO as you always assumed.

              Originally Posted by hometutor View Post

              Title tag helps both humans and search engines. This has not changed.
              Google is always changing and its more than the Title in terms of understanding of the search engine. Now that will change you.
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              • Profile picture of the author hometutor
                Originally Posted by KylieSweet View Post

                I wonder how did you say that its not good SEO? Kindly explain. Did you know that Google is aware on using keyword within the URL? If not, Now its really not good SEO as you always assumed.



                Google is always changing and its more than the Title in terms of understanding of the search engine. Now that will change you.
                Never said that was all of it. I didn't say that was not good SEO that quote belongs to someone else who has yet to justify his/her position.

                Rick
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      • Profile picture of the author Woomeister
        Originally Posted by mikehende View Post

        Thanks guys, can you tell me if having a priority kw in the meta title, meta description, h tag and in the content so 4 times overall, is that kw stuffing?
        When it comes to onsite optimization, there are certain places that are more valuable to have your keywords in than others. Based on my testing and analysis, in order of importance and effect, from most to least:

        1. URL
        2. SEO Title Tag (i.e.: <TITLE></TITLE>)
        3. H1 (i.e.: Page title)
        4. H2, H3, H4
        5. Content
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelkoehler92
    It would be better if you drop those keywords once in the article and focus more on a single keyword only and when it will get ranked the other synonyms will get tracked and ranked afterwards.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikehende
    I "think" that's what I have planned, to use one kw in the title, description, h tag and content so 4 times, isn't that the best way to target one kw?
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  • Profile picture of the author mikehende
    On average, how long would you guys wait before trying another kw please?
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  • Profile picture of the author umakant13
    This is not a keyword stuffing its gibberish way of presenting a keyword
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  • Profile picture of the author mikehende
    I'm not understanding the H2, 3 and 4. if you already have the same exact kw in H1, won't that look obvious having it also in an H2, 3 or 4 heading? Or are you referring to having multiple kw's in 1-5 please?
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    • Profile picture of the author Woomeister
      Originally Posted by mikehende View Post

      I'm not understanding the H2, 3 and 4. if you already have the same exact kw in H1, won't that look obvious having it also in an H2, 3 or 4 heading? Or are you referring to having multiple kw's in 1-5 please?
      I never mentioned using the same keyword.

      standard example:
      1. dog training
      2. dog obedience
      3. puppy school
      4. potty training for dogs
      5. dog walking training
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      • Profile picture of the author mikehende
        Originally Posted by Woomeister View Post

        I never mentioned using the same keyword.

        standard example:
        1. dog training
        2. dog obedience
        3. puppy school
        4. potty training for dogs
        5. dog walking training
        Ok, using your kw's, let's say they are your 5 kw's listed in order of priority and you don't have any of them in your url, so would it be best to use them like:

        1. dog training - SEO Title
        2. dog obedience - H1
        3. puppy school - H2
        4. potty training for dogs - H3
        5. dog walking training - H4

        Then use all 5 kw's in the content or would it be best to use your no.1 kw as priority such as:
        1. dog training - SEO Title
        2. dog training - Description
        3. dog training - H1

        and then
        4. dog obedience - H2
        5. puppy school - H3
        6. potty training for dogs - H4
        7. dog walking training - H5

        Or is there any better setup please?
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        • Its good way to present your keywords in web pages, keyword prominent is good practice for seo and it will help to boost up the keywords
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        • Profile picture of the author Woomeister
          Originally Posted by mikehende View Post

          Ok, using your kw's, let's say they are your 5 kw's listed in order of priority and you don't have any of them in your url, so would it be best to use them like:

          1. dog training - SEO Title
          2. dog obedience - H1
          3. puppy school - H2
          4. potty training for dogs - H3
          5. dog walking training - H4

          Then use all 5 kw's in the content or would it be best to use your no.1 kw as priority such as:
          1. dog training - SEO Title
          2. dog training - Description
          3. dog training - H1

          and then
          4. dog obedience - H2
          5. puppy school - H3
          6. potty training for dogs - H4
          7. dog walking training - H5

          Or is there any better setup please?
          I would suggest you experimented yourself to be honest. It's a great way of learning do dome tweaking!

          Personally I don't use EMD's so I tend not to have more than an LSI keyword in the URL as I prefer brand URL's. So I use my page title for my primary keyword then work my way down. If you load your keyword variants into the list I suggested then content keyword should be used sparingly and correctly. I tend to use my content for LSI keywords and conversion. There is no real need for more than 1 or 2 incidences of your primary keyword when you have it in titles in different forms.
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          • Profile picture of the author mikehende
            Originally Posted by Woomeister View Post

            I would suggest you experimented yourself to be honest.
            I don;t mind experimenting but how would I know "when" to change up the kw's? I mean I have to give it time to see how it work but how much time?
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            • Profile picture of the author Woomeister
              Setting tags correctly sees near instant changes after being crawled, hence my suggestion to experiment.

              But if you follow the guide I gave above you can't go too wrong.
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  • Keyword stuffing means..use many times same keyword in single content
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  • Profile picture of the author mikehende
    Ok just tell me this please, with using h tags for titles in the content, does it need to have only the kw itself like "dog training" or can I use it like <h1>I provide dog training in Queens, NYC 11420</h1>?
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    • Profile picture of the author Woomeister
      Originally Posted by mikehende View Post

      Ok just tell me this please, with using h tags for titles in the content, does it need to have only the kw itself like "dog training" or can I use it like <h1>I provide dog training in Queens, NYC 11420</h1>?
      Of course use your second type of example, that would be far more realistic and natural, and expected by Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author gingerninjas
    It's got to sound natural, if it does than it's not keyword stuffing.

    It seems like your example sentence reads naturally so that looks fine, but you do need to make sure you don't go overboard so that it's difficult to read and a challenge to make sound fluid.

    Those four sentences over 1000 words would sound fine written seamlessly into content in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikehende
    In my marketing courses, it showed I should include a website's url after the kw in the meta title, is that still relevant today or should I use only multiple kw’s plus location in title please? I see a couple of the top competition here doing just that so I have to think they are correct since they are on top.
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    • Profile picture of the author Woomeister
      Originally Posted by mikehende View Post

      In my marketing courses, it showed I should include a website's url after the kw in the meta title, is that still relevant today or should I use only multiple kws plus location in title please? I see a couple of the top competition here doing just that so I have to think they are correct since they are on top.
      Are you suggesting adding a url in your meta title? It's never been relevant, I have no idea why somebody would suggest that to you. Can you give me an example so I know exactly what they are doing? I may have misunderstood you.

      Meta title tip:
      Add your keyword in the Title (once), keep the string together for the most part, and keep it at the front of the title tag.

      GOOD: Dog Training Guide for Beginners | Obedience Tips and More

      BAD: Dog Training - How to train your dog - Dog Training Tips
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  • Profile picture of the author mikehende
    Oh sorry, no they meant including the company name such as
    Best auto repairs NYC | Ace Auto repairs
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    • Profile picture of the author Woomeister
      Yes thats okay as long as you manage your keywords well.

      If your business name includes your keywords be wary of over optimising your tags.
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    • Profile picture of the author Woomeister
      Take a look at this to highlight what i meant above.

      1. Get your keyword in the URL (once), add an extra word or two. Use synonyms if possible.

      Example: A Branded domain is going for target keyword "dog training"

      GOOD: xttp://www.ilovemyk9.com/dog-obedieance-training (added an extra synonym)

      BAD: xttp://www.ilovemyk9.com/dog-training (don't use the exact keyword in the URL)

      Example: Partial match domain is going for target keyword "dog training"

      GOOD: xttp://www.dogguides.com/how-to-train-your-puppy ("puppy" is a related word to "dog")

      BAD: xttp://www. <b>dog</b> guides.com/ho...our-<b>dog</b> ("dog" is used twice)

      2. Get your keyword in the Title (once), keep the string together for the most part, and keep it at the front of the title tag.

      GOOD: Dog Training Guide for Beginners | Obedience Tips and More

      BAD: Dog Training - How to train your dog - Dog Training Tips

      3. Use your description to increase CTR as your primary goal. Meta keywords and description are not considered in Google's ranking algorithm . Having said that, meta descriptions can improve improve your rankings because they can directly affect CTR, a key factor in ranking.

      Tip: write your descriptions in a way to encourage people to click on your link.
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  • Profile picture of the author Woomeister
    From a quick search of "computer repair new york this is the meta dat from the first that's not an advert on my browser.

    <title>Queens Computer Repair | PC Repair Queens - Rescuecom</title>
    <meta name="description" content="Queens computer repair for PC or MAC, professional service, 24/7, fast response. 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed. Call 1-800-RESCUE-PC (1-800-737-2837) .">

    They've added their business name as they have a 'brand' url, I do the same.

    Big recruitment companies use there url as their brand and that why you can see it sometimes. I noticed many returns for the search returning 'computer tech' jobs in queens by indeed.c(o)m.
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    • Profile picture of the author hometutor
      Originally Posted by Woomeister View Post

      From a quick search of "computer repair new york this is the meta dat from the first that's not an advert on my browser.

      <title>Queens Computer Repair | PC Repair Queens - Rescuecom</title>
      <meta name="description" content="Queens computer repair for PC or MAC, professional service, 24/7, fast response. 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed. Call 1-800-RESCUE-PC (1-800-737-2837) .">

      They've added their business name as they have a 'brand' url, I do the same.

      Big recruitment companies use there url as their brand and that why you can see it sometimes. I noticed many returns for the search returning 'computer tech' jobs in queens by indeed.c(o)m.
      I don't like brand urls unless you're brand is already popular. I prefer descriptive keyworded urls.

      For example one f my urls is in home computer help dot com

      Rick
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  • Profile picture of the author mikehende
    I see. Using the example would it be ok to do something like:
    <title>Queens Computer Repair | Specializing in virus removal</title>

    This way you add 2 kw's plus state what your specialty is?
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    • Profile picture of the author Woomeister
      Originally Posted by mikehende View Post

      I see. Using the example would it be ok to do something like:
      <title>Queens Computer Repair | Specializing in virus removal</title>

      This way you add 2 kw's plus state what your specialty is?
      I will leave you now to do some testing and tweaking. There is nothing wrong with your example at all.

      check the meta data of your competition and see what they are doing!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zarine Khan
    Hello Dear,

    Keyword stuffing is a SEO technique, in which a web page is loaded with keywords in the meta tags or in content of a web page. Keyword stuffing may lead to a website being banned or penalized in search ranking on major search engines either temporarily or permanently.


    Thanks.
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  • no i don't think that google consider it as a keyword stuffing , because your keywords you are using in your content are all genuine keywords, you can use multiple keywords in your content but don't add these keywords too many times , lets say just add 1 time per 150 words.

    keyword stuffing is adding same keyword 10 times in 300 words of article.
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  • Profile picture of the author manojobject
    It is not Keywords stuffing.
    All are Keyword phrases different and you can use inside the page content.
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