Misconseptions using profile backlinks

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OK after 2 months of trying to ONLY register and update my profile on 100s of sites I found that none have been indexed. The strange thing is that my rankings for the keyword included in my signature have been ranking higher. Now there are a few forums that I am active on with a ton of posts. I recently added a signature with keyword links and then they are all showing up being indexed with one of my keywords.

Lesson learned:
1. Register new accounts
2. Confirm emails
3. Post one comment saying "Hello I'm new here and love the forum. I'll look forward to hearing more from you all."
4. Wait for 1-2 weeks.
5. Now add signature keyword link in email setting under user control panel.
6. Watch your keyword link in the signature get indexed now that you have a post listed.
7. Do not make any more posts period!!!!!!

So being that I've already made a ton of profiles without posts I'm going to go back and remove my signatures and submit posts. Then I'll follow the instructions above to actually get them indexed with my keywords.

If you're strictly looking for a high number of links then you can post a ton of comments on those forums and later once you're done add the signature. Keep in mind that having a lot of posts only shows more links and do not give you more link juice. I have only found that one keyword link shows up per site so choose wisely. Again only add your signature after a few weeks of posting your last comment. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author waqyum
    Thanks for the tip.Can you tell me forums on which you work for your travel sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    I don't have any preferences when it comes to back links. I accept all sorts from various websites. I do not believe in only getting relevant site back links. All of my competitors have links from crazy sites and rank higher than me due to the amount of links.
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    • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      I don't have any preferences when it comes to back links. I accept all sorts from various websites. I do not believe in only getting relevant site back links. All of my competitors have links from crazy sites and rank higher than me due to the amount of links.
      Yes, it's better to have a VARIETY of links coming from everywhere. It is not natural for a site to have only related backlinks anyway.

      Same goes for anchor texts.

      Here and there I would link back to my sites with the anchor text "click here" and other generic words, because that's how people actually do link on the internet.

      This is natural to Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigcat1967
    wow - that's interesting. I went ahead and bookmarked this page. I have two months worth of profile links I like to post if I get the time.

    My main worry was these pages getting indexed - so, I'll try your way.

    thx mate.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Alternatively, you can post the links on a blog you own. Just create a post, copy and paste the links into the post, publish the post, and voila', you're done. Should take about a minute. When the google spider comes running, they will spider the links and index the pages, no forum posting required.
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      • Profile picture of the author turbohips
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        Alternatively, you can post the links on a blog you own. Just create a post, copy and paste the links into the post, publish the post, and voila', you're done. Should take about a minute. When the google spider comes running, they will spider the links and index the pages, no forum posting required.
        I don't think you understand what's going on here so let me try to clarify. The reason for this strategy is so that you may get links from high PR sites of all sorts. Just having links coming from your blog doesn't really accomplish much if you are focusing on promoting a website.
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        • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
          Turbo - u missed BHC's point ...

          His method was a way to get your profile links on various sites your backlinking on ... spidered or indexed and counting towards your serps ASAP!

          for example if you have your backlinks on a site in your profile buried 10 pages deep on a site like mylamecommunity.com - it may take awhile for google to find it. So you copy your profile page url from the site and place them on a junky WP blog install with all the SEO spider goodies and make a post of nothing but profile page urls ... like so

          hxxp://turbohips.mylamecommunity.com/apps/profiles/34hsz5/turbohips.php

          hxxp://turbohips.mylamecommunity5.com/apps/profiles/userdid?456789

          hxxp://www.123mylamecommunity.com/user/profile/turbohipsisaSEOGawd

          and so on .... the urls above would be from the sites where you are leaving backlinks in your profile.

          What this does is provide BOT food for google and Bing and Yahoo slerp to jump straight to the page where your backlinks are and add them into the index. Its like your own bookmark BLOG.

          It works ... its sole purpose is to get your backlink pages found and indexed - and really so is social bookamrking. This is just a bit easier and requires no moderation or approval or scrutiny of your links and tags and other nonsense.

          HTH,

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          Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

          I don't think you understand what's going on here so let me try to clarify. The reason for this strategy is so that you may get links from high PR sites of all sorts. Just having links coming from your blog doesn't really accomplish much if you are focusing on promoting a website.
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          Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

          I don't think you understand what's going on here so let me try to clarify. The reason for this strategy is so that you may get links from high PR sites of all sorts. Just having links coming from your blog doesn't really accomplish much if you are focusing on promoting a website.
          I understand completely what is going on here. Your primary concern was getting your profile links indexed. My post addressed that issue, and in a much simpler, much more efficient way than your solution. Perhaps you should read it again. I accomplish in one minute and one post what takes you dozens of posts(that you hope don't get deleted) and two weeks to accomplish. But hey, if you like working harder than you have to, knock yourself out.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
            Do you have success using a free blog and posting maybe 25-30 links to different profiles? I have a few free blogs that already have a few links pointing at them. This sounds like a really simple way to get them indexed. I was also thinking about taking maybe 20 at a time and posting the links on about 5 of the free blogs to make sure the stay indexed. Would this work well?
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      • Profile picture of the author unlimited1
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        Alternatively, you can post the links on a blog you own. Just create a post, copy and paste the links into the post, publish the post, and voila', you're done. Should take about a minute. When the google spider comes running, they will spider the links and index the pages, no forum posting required.

        Hi - Maybe a newbie question but does it matter that the blog is coming from the same IP address as the backlinks? - thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
          Go get a free blog somewhere else - theres over a million places to do so [ literally ] and put some decent content in it - rss fed perhaps ... and inject the blog post of site profile url's into the mix ....

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          Originally Posted by unlimited1 View Post

          Hi - Maybe a newbie question but does it matter that the blog is coming from the same IP address as the backlinks? - thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author iblbuilder
    Why go for a high risk strategy of posting in the forum? You seem to have missed the key point about getting forum profile links indexed, and are simply sitting and waiting for Google to find them!

    Simply copy your profile page URL's into a txt file, then create RSS feeds from it and submit them, and also submit each page via digg, stumbleupon, reddit and delicious, if you use their toolbar bookmarklets this taks a few minutes. you have then created many paths for the googlebot to follow, find and index your links, while at the same time created more.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Simply copy your profile page URL's into a txt file, then create RSS feeds from it and submit them, and also submit each page via digg, stumbleupon, reddit and delicious, if you use their toolbar bookmarklets this taks a few minutes. you have then created many paths for the googlebot to follow, find and index your links, while at the same time created more.
      What am I missing here? Creating massive profile links for spiders to follow may get pages indexed - but aren't they just empty paths?

      I don't understand focus on "fast indexing" - if you build a decent site or blog it will be indexed without a massive forum spamming endeavor. And spamming is what I call a comment like this:

      Post one comment saying "Hello I'm new here and love the forum. I'll look forward to hearing more from you all."
      It's always been a good practice to join forums related to your niches and participate. Links from related forums are great for ranking and for traffic. The practice currently advised of running through the internet dropping links wherever you can get by with it may help short term but I question any long term benefits.

      The question isn't how many links can you drop - but how much money are you making doing it?

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    • Profile picture of the author turbohips
      Originally Posted by iblbuilder View Post

      Why go for a high risk strategy of posting in the forum? You seem to have missed the key point about getting forum profile links indexed, and are simply sitting and waiting for Google to find them!

      Simply copy your profile page URL's into a txt file, then create RSS feeds from it and submit them, and also submit each page via digg, stumbleupon, reddit and delicious, if you use their toolbar bookmarklets this taks a few minutes. you have then created many paths for the googlebot to follow, find and index your links, while at the same time created more.
      OK let me explain, the point I was trying to make is that by having a lot of comments on any given forum you will have them all crawled and indexed eventually. After soon time has gone by and no one is looking at your posts or comments any more you can sneak back on to the forum and update your signature with your anchor text links. By doing this there is little risk of being caught because you should have allowed for enough time to pass by where nobody would go back to check your comment and see your signatures. The crawlers will re-index the links due to the update and there you go. Now you will have a bunch of links showing up with your anchor text link. Now this only works for one keyword per signature. I'm experimenting now to see if it will work with multiple keywords using multiple website domains.
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    • Profile picture of the author basmin
      Originally Posted by iblbuilder View Post

      Why go for a high risk strategy of posting in the forum? You seem to have missed the key point about getting forum profile links indexed, and are simply sitting and waiting for Google to find them!

      Simply copy your profile page URL's into a txt file, then create RSS feeds from it and submit them, and also submit each page via digg, stumbleupon, reddit and delicious, if you use their toolbar bookmarklets this taks a few minutes. you have then created many paths for the googlebot to follow, find and index your links, while at the same time created more.
      great tip. thanks for share your tip and this very useful for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    Guys, solid advice here but utilize the strategy to include-
    1) just profile links
    2) profile links + 1 or 2 postings

    It's not that hard to implement, or automate for that matter
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    You should be able to add as many links/keywords as you like. Same as your signature here.

    I don't use this method to the same extent that Turbohips does but it does have it's advantages.

    It's all a matter of how much you want those backlinks and if you are willing to put in the extra effort to get them.
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    • Profile picture of the author turbohips
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      You should be able to add as many links/keywords as you like. Same as your signature here.

      I don't use this method to the same extent that Turbohips does but it does have it's advantages.

      It's all a matter of how much you want those backlinks and if you are willing to put in the extra effort to get them.
      Jason check out your sites on backlinkwatch.com. You'll see that no matter how many links you put in the signature only one of them shows up as the anchor text link. The others do not appear and I'm guessing means are not indexed by the crawlers.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Jason check out your sites on backlinkwatch.com. You'll see that no matter how many links you put in the signature only one of them shows up as the anchor text link. The others do not appear and I'm guessing means are not indexed by the crawlers.
    I think you ran into this problem because you were doing your signature links wrong for a while.

    You've fixed it now, but you had 4 link all going to the exact same page with 4 different anchor texts. This does not work. Your current signature with 4 links going to 4 different pages is the correct method.

    Something to keep in mind is not all of your backlinks will show up for all of your pages at the same time or in the same order.

    I work in groups of 4 sites at a time and even though all 4 sites are receiving backlinks from the exact same places when I check my backlinks they will show different results. Why is this, I have no idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    I have been doing it normally and having it work.

    What you do is make your profile backlink, then keep the link that you can see it at.

    At the end go to feedage html 2 rss and make rss feeds of each backlink.

    Then spread them everywhere!

    Oh and ping the pages. This works fine for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Steve you are the man. I did totally miss the point and I thank you for explaining it a bit more. Now as for using my own blog it is not really ranked at all and hidden for the most part. However I have found 2 rediculasly high ranking sites that allow for you to have private blogs and they are never moderated. I'm thinking about using this strategy on those sites. I'm sure having a very powerful site blog pointing back to my profiles will get indexed right away. I'm hitting the thanks button for that tip.

    OK since the great info being shared I'm trying to change 12 of my profiles and track the results. I not only changed the profiles but also added them to a blog, bookmarked them and ping them. We'll see what happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author birdfood
    This thread raises a point I'm confused about that I hope the experts here can clarify.

    Is there any difference in terms of link juice between having your link in one posting on a forum and in 100 or a 1000 postings on a forum???

    For example there is one forum I regularly post at and have 300 posts so far. Could I have achieved the same result with just one post???
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe118
      Yes, there's a difference. Each page passes some link juice to your link. So having your link on 1000 pages is beter than having it on one page on the same domain. But this effect is dwarfed by the boost you get from having your link appear on many different domains. That's much more valuable.

      Think of it like this:

      1 link from xxx.com = $1
      2 links from xxx.com = $1.01
      ...
      100 links from xxx.com = $2.00

      While

      1 link from xxx.com and 1 link from yyy.com = $2

      HTH

      Originally Posted by birdfood View Post

      This thread raises a point I'm confused about that I hope the experts here can clarify.

      Is there any difference in terms of link juice between having your link in one posting on a forum and in 100 or a 1000 postings on a forum???

      For example there is one forum I regularly post at and have 300 posts so far. Could I have achieved the same result with just one post???
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    OK I did the new strategy that Black Hat Cat said to do and now I'm not on the first pages on Bing any more. I guess Bing had figured this technique out dropped the ranks of all of my keywords. I'll give it another day and if Bing rankings don't pop back up I'm going back to my old ways. Google and Yahoo rankings remain exactly the same though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Al Jones
    I make a lot of profile backlinks and I also do what Black Hat does. I make a post in a blog of mine with all the links. Sometimes I submit the feed to other sites but it's not a big deal. I don't think spiders have any way of getting to some of these profile urls unless there's a members list linking to them. I also takes these urls and put them in a text file and load them up to scribd and the scribd file gets indexed within the day.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    Well the day is almost over for me and I wanted to report that due to the changes I've made trying this new approach it seems in in quite a dance with Yahoo and Bing but same on Google for my keywords. The funny thing is that Yahoo and Bing seem to move at the same time whenever I do anything and Google acts completely differently. Some of my keywords jumped back only slightly tonight so I guess it's still figuring things out. I do understand the approach of posting on blogs and I have a few with high PR's and traffic to post to. If all works well I'll be blasting all of them with my links.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Turbo,

      you've been adding quite a bit o stuff to the indexes about your site as of late. You're going to bounce up and down - often. Thats the nature of taking positive [or negative ] seo action.

      Your competition is also acting ... and things you did yesterday may not be happening for many more days. Stuff you did weeks ago may just now be coming into effect.

      Putting up a blog yesterday with urls to your profile backlinks likely has NOTHING to do with your drops in yahoo and bing - today.

      You'd only want to place un-indexed profile urls on those blog posts ...


      Originally Posted by turbohips View Post

      Well the day is almost over for me and I wanted to report that due to the changes I've made trying this new approach it seems in in quite a dance with Yahoo and Bing but same on Google for my keywords. The funny thing is that Yahoo and Bing seem to move at the same time whenever I do anything and Google acts completely differently. Some of my keywords jumped back only slightly tonight so I guess it's still figuring things out. I do understand the approach of posting on blogs and I have a few with high PR's and traffic to post to. If all works well I'll be blasting all of them with my links.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Your competition is also acting ... and things you did yesterday may not be happening for many more days. Stuff you did weeks ago may just now be coming into effect.
    OMG... did you just suggest it takes time for everything to take effect?

    Yes kids, SEO is a marathon, not a sprint.

    Unless you're paying for traffic it's going to take time for all of your pieces to fall into place. Days, weeks, months.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    From my understanding of this whole approach is to blog only to get your un-indexed profiles found quickly. I thought this happens right away instead of days or weeks. Still a bit unclear here. I thought the whole point of it was to be indexed right away. Now as for the blogging about the profile links, would it also be a good idea to blog about the original blog that you made displaying the profile links? Not sure if that would speed up the process or if it even makes sense. For example, blog 1 has your profile links. Blog 2 from a different blog source talks about blog 1. Bookmark both blogs. Submit GoArticle about both blogs with links. Bookmark that etc.
    Would this be a good approach? Not sure if this would be considered a partial link wheel. More like multiple paths to the same locations.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    All of the ideas presented here are different methods to achieve the same goal - to get the pages that have your backlinks indexed in order to have your backlinks counted by search engines.

    The main issue that is being ignored is - nobody has any control over how fast or how long it will take for search engines to find that page, index that page, index your backlink and give you credit for that backlink.

    The best you can do is create as many roads to the page with your backlinks and notify the SE's that they need to visit that page... once you've done that there isn't much more you can do.

    Search engines might spider the page today or next week, they may count your backlink on that page today or next week... SE's work at their own pace and every webmaster has different results.
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  • Profile picture of the author AvidAZ
    Is profile backlinking completely worthless without a user comment in a forum to lead a spider to that profile?
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    • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
      Originally Posted by AvidAZ View Post

      Is profile backlinking completely worthless without a user comment in a forum to lead a spider to that profile?
      No it is not worthless. It is a link that will eventually count. It does not have to be indexed on day 1, this is the natural way. It's good to have a combination of links coming from different types of sites.
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      Originally Posted by AvidAZ View Post

      Is profile backlinking completely worthless without a user comment in a forum to lead a spider to that profile?
      No, as has been said earlier in this thread make sure the spider gets there yourself.

      For example, bookmark your profiles, ping them, create an rss feed from them and submit them to rss aggregators.

      I do all three things to all of my backlink profiles.
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  • Profile picture of the author AvidAZ
    Thanks. I have done this method before and have seen the links indexed, but they're all PR0. Isn't it better to just go after higher PR links?
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    • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
      Originally Posted by AvidAZ View Post

      Thanks. I have done this method before and have seen the links indexed, but they're all PR0. Isn't it better to just go after higher PR links?
      You will want to get a VARIETY of links from many different sites and PR numbers. It is not natural for a site to only get links from let's say PR4 sites...

      A "real" site that has valuable content on it will eventually naturally receive any kinds of links coming from all sorts of places. Links from some unimportant blogs but also from some high PR sites. That's the natural way.
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  • Profile picture of the author AvidAZ
    Thanks. I have a list of about 2,000 sites that people use for Angela's and Paul's method, but have heard mixed reviews on whether or not it actually works.
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  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    It works. I was not sure of this method until I tried it and then bam I was really ranking up really quickly. I'm still not on the first pages yet for my given keywords but I'm only 1 1/2 month into this and have around 25-250 million other site to compete with for my keywords.
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    If you think the tips were helpful please hit the thanks button and thank you for reading. I'll have more experiments soon and will give out my tips and tricks for free.
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    Very good example
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        • Profile picture of the author Jayson L
          Originally Posted by MIchaelx View Post

          Steve, what if I do not have a "junky" blog? Can I put a list of profile link URLs in a WP-Blog I own that I consider a valuable site?

          In other words, would putting a long list of profile link URLs in a comment of a blog I own actually hurt that particular blog? Would Google now regard that particular blog as a link-farm blog and deindex it?

          Create a free blog with a free blog site. livejournal, etc..
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            I don't know if I have some secret ingredient that I dont even know in my sauce but so far this month (and last) I am getting a good chunk of my links indexed in less than a day or two without posting, pinging or using RSS.
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  • Profile picture of the author NickMik
    Just a quick tip that might help someone who is trying to figure out if there profiles are getting indexed or not. Create a unique username like BobJones1847. After a few days do a google search for "BobJones1847", you will be surprised how many of the profiles have been found. I know I have several profiles that aren't listed in backlink checkers but are found this way.
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