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Should I Give this SEO Strategy a Go?

by rottiegal
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Hi, I was thinking that instead of hiring an SEO expert for my websites, to instead look for an SEO/web developer to partner with and hopefully establish a 50/50 revenue share model, where I produce article content and the SEO/web developer takes care of driving traffic and advertising. I am credentialed in my niche and have opened websites for many years, but my content gets lost like a needle in a haystack, however, when I produce content for other websites they go viral and I kept them in business for long, so I guess I am lacking the SEO skills. Is this a good seo strategy?
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    I'm not sure what the benefit would be in entering a 50/50 revenue partnership when you could otherwise hire an SEO or marketing expert on an ad hoc basis. Seems to me you'd be losing flexibility going forward.

    You posted last year that your articles had been earning you revenue from a third-party site:

    https://www.warriorforum.com/main-in...ve-income.html

    If you were to set up your own site, do you have a method of monetization in mind that doesn't depend on the sort of established authority and degree of traffic that you'd be losing in the short to medium term?
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  • Profile picture of the author rottiegal
    Thanks for sharing your perspective--I appreciate your input! Let me explain my thinking a bit more.

    While hiring an SEO or marketing expert on an ad hoc basis can offer flexibility, I believe that a 50/50 revenue partnership brings something unique: a sense of shared investment and accountability. It's not just about hiring someone for tasks but about building a collaborative effort where both parties have skin in the game, which can lead to a stronger, long-term commitment to growth.

    As for monetization, moving from a third-party site to my own platform will involve building traffic from the ground up. That's where the partnership comes in--having someone with expertise to strategize and execute alongside me would be invaluable. I think two brains focusing on two different things, me the authority, the other the SEO expert, is a winning strategy. The goal is to create multiple revenue streams, including ads, affiliate marketing, and possibly premium content, to diversify income sources while growing the platform.

    In the meanwhile, I am writing for websites and the articles are going viral and I am sure they are making money because they have the right SEO strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    I see where you're coming from, but I wonder where you'd find such a partner. You'd need someone experienced in SEO and a range of other marketing practices who'd be willing to devote a great deal of work and time to the project before receiving any returns.

    If you do manage to sell this deal to them, maybe you're not as bad at marketing as you think

    It's great you're thinking of striking out on your own - as you hinted in your thread last year. Maybe while looking for a suitable partner, you could employ a marketing agency to get your site(s) up and running. That might give you a better idea of where you need the most help.

    Anyway, good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author rottiegal
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      I see where you're coming from, but I wonder where you'd find such a partner. You'd need someone experienced in SEO and a range of other marketing practices who'd be willing to devote a great deal of work and time to the project before receiving any returns.

      If you do manage to sell this deal to them, maybe you're not as bad at marketing as you think

      It's great you're thinking of striking out on your own - as you hinted in your thread last year. Maybe while looking for a suitable partner, you could employ a marketing agency to get your site(s) up and running. That might give you a better idea of where you need the most help.

      Anyway, good luck!
      Here's the thing, I honestly feel that now, more than ever revenue share is the best thing ever. It's not a one time and done ordeal. I write articles for websites, get paid top money but there's nothing like writing for yourself and getting income coming in every month. It's so frustrating watching others get rich!

      I have had revenue share coming in for 15 years with 2,000 articles and nothing compares to making money while you're sleeping.


      I think the same may be for SEO expert, I am sure it may take some time to get the money trickling, but I don't think it would be that much of work. I mean it could be done parttime, like I would write articles and the SEO expert would get in the website, optimize it and help the website grow. It would be 50/50 revenue share and energy expenditure.

      Sorry, I don't want to come across as a marketer trying to scam someone. I just see so many websites built by people expert in SEO but with poor authority (they just pay random people to write articles but with no Google EAAT), and people with good authority and poor SEO, so combining both to me seems like the best of both worlds.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by rottiegal View Post

        Here's the thing, I honestly feel that now, more than ever revenue share is the best thing ever. It's not a one time and done ordeal. I write articles for websites, get paid top money but there's nothing like writing for yourself and getting income coming in every month. It's so frustrating watching others get rich!
        You started this thread asking for advice, but it seems you just wanted validation for a decision you already made.

        So just go for it.
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        • Profile picture of the author rottiegal
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          You started this thread asking for advice, but it seems you just wanted validation for a decision you already made.

          So just go for it.
          Well, I was curious to know if SEO experts are attracted to the idea, or if there any reasons why they wouldn't be on board? I am planning to post it on some job boards, but was trying to first get a feel if it's something that may be of interest. I don't see why it wouldn't work to join forces, but then all I am getting is sketchy people. Like one told me he was from a town near me, and then his phone was from India!
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    Originally Posted by rottiegal View Post

    Hi, I was thinking that instead of hiring an SEO expert for my websites, to instead look for an SEO/web developer to partner with and hopefully establish a 50/50 revenue share model, where I produce article content and the SEO/web developer takes care of driving traffic and advertising. I am credentialed in my niche and have opened websites for many years, but my content gets lost like a needle in a haystack, however, when I produce content for other websites they go viral and I kept them in business for long, so I guess I am lacking the SEO skills. Is this a good seo strategy?

    The problem with all of that is your SEO EXPERT/WEB DEVELOPER will probably (and highly likely) be utilizing A.I.

    I'm not going to list all the things that A.I. can do for you, but SEO is one of them.

    I mentioned something similar to you before.

    You DO NOT NEED to hire anyone. Access to most of the advance A.I. models costs $20/mo.

    You are going to get left behind if you don't change your thinking.

    Get with the program so that you don't get left behind.
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    • Profile picture of the author rottiegal
      Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

      The problem with all of that is your SEO EXPERT/WEB DEVELOPER will probably (and highly likely) be utilizing A.I.

      I'm not going to list all the things that A.I. can do for you, but SEO is one of them.

      I mentioned something similar to you before.

      You DO NOT NEED to hire anyone. Access to most of the advance A.I. models costs $20/mo.

      You are going to get left behind if you don't change your thinking.

      Get with the program so that you don't get left behind.
      AI for SEO or writing articles? I write my articles genuinely with first person examples of my expertise, something that AI can never do. I think you told me once in the past to use AI for my articles, but I tried that and it makes mistakes. Even if I fix them, if I run the articles through AI detectors they score high for AI and am not sure if it will rank well. Does Google rank AI well? All websites I work for want zero AI so they may have their own good reasons for that.

      Or do you mean using AI to optimize, drive traffic etc. That I have no idea how it works

      Thank you so much for your insights!
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      • Profile picture of the author Monetize
        Originally Posted by rottiegal View Post

        AI for SEO or writing articles? I write my articles genuinely with first person examples of my expertise, something that AI can never do. I think you told me once in the past to use AI for my articles, but I tried that and it makes mistakes. Even if I fix them, if I run the articles through AI detectors they score high for AI and am not sure if it will rank well. Does Google rank AI well? All websites I work for want zero AI so they may have their own good reasons for that.

        Or do you mean using AI to optimize, drive traffic etc. That I have no idea how it works

        Thank you so much for your insights!

        I NEVER suggested using straight A.I. written content, unless
        you want content with all of its quirks in it.

        Obviously the thing never had a baby, and couldn't tell you
        about actual labor pains, or what it found in that first diaper
        change. And neither can anybody that never had a baby.

        But if you think that you have more expertise and knowledge
        and can write about more topics than an A.I. supercomputer,
        that's great, and good luck with that.

        And good luck finding an SEO expert/web developer that
        does not use A.I.
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        • Profile picture of the author rottiegal
          Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

          I NEVER suggested using straight A.I. written content, unless
          you want content with all of its quirks in it.

          Obviously the thing never had a baby, and couldn't tell you
          about actual labor pains, or what it found in that first diaper
          change. And neither can anybody that never had a baby.

          But if you think that you have more expertise and knowledge
          and can write about more topics than an A.I. supercomputer,
          that's great, and good luck with that.

          And good luck finding an SEO expert/web developer that
          does not use A.I.
          You said "You can use A.I. to quickly rewrite your articles, that is always an option." I have done that but it adds some quirks into the articles and things that weren't said in the article or skips parts, but I am not using the paid version so maybe that's why? Yes, I agree, it shouldn't never be used straight.

          I can never compete with AI of course, only that when I try to use it to rewrite my content there is much work fixing things, that if I use a speech texter to paraphrase my article I may do faster than that.

          I am not looking for an SEO expert web developer that does not use AI. I never said that. I said that I will produce articles without AI, the SEO expert is free to use AI if that's needed to search for keywords, shrink pictures, make catchy intros on social media to get people to visit or anything else that they can do in terms of helping drive traffic.

          Thanks for the good luck, it's not easy. It seems so far I am getting sketchy people wanting to help. I don't see why it can't be a beneficial partnership if we put 50/50 the work. This makes me suspect that perhaps SEO experts are more interested in making fast money in a one time done ordeal than slower but steady revenue share? I personally get paid to do one-time articles for websites, the pay is high, but it's not as rewarding as working for your own website and making steady money while you sleep and owning/having full control of the website/articles.
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          • Profile picture of the author Monetize
            Originally Posted by rottiegal View Post

            You said "You can use A.I. to quickly rewrite your articles, that is always an option." I have done that but it adds some quirks into the articles and things that weren't said in the article or skips parts, but I am not using the paid version. Yes, I agree, it shouldn't never be used straight.

            I can never compete with AI of course, only that when I try to use it to rewrite my content there is much work fixing things, that if I use a speech texter I may do faster than that.

            I am not looking for an SEO expert web developer that does not use AI. I never said that. I said that I will produce articles without AI, the SEO expert is free to use AI if that's needed to search for keywords, shrink pictures, make catchy intros on social media to get people to visit or anything else that they can do in terms of helping drive traffic.

            I use an A.I. article writer that is based on ChatGPT and
            it works great. You just give it the topic and it writes about
            anything, it is all formatted with the headers, in sections,
            it is fantastic. It even generates images.

            I once pasted an article from the article generator, that I
            had edited extensively, into ChatGPT to install code, line
            breaks, etc. to save me time, and the thing RE-WROTE
            some of the content back to the way the first system had
            written it as.

            These were TWO separate systems, separate A.I. tools
            that I pay for.

            I asked ChatGPT why it re-wrote my content, and it said
            it didn't know why it did it. So it does things and it has a
            mind of its own. Even when I give it specific instructions,
            sometimes it does not do what I tell it, but I still love it
            anyway.

            That doesn't mean I'm not going to continue using that
            method, I just don't give ChatGPT my edited content.

            I can still get more done this way than if I were to do it
            without using A.I. And that's just written content, I use
            other A.I. tools for other things that saves me time and
            allows me to produce so much more.

            But that's just me. People on this forum argue about
            using A.I., and it does not make me any difference
            whether they use it or not.

            Do what works for you.

            BTW, my comments are not directed towards just you,
            but to anyone who reads it, so it's nothing personal.
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            • Profile picture of the author rottiegal
              Originally Posted by Monetize View Post

              I use an A.I. article writer that is based on ChatGPT and
              it works great. You just give it the topic and it writes about
              anything, it is all formatted with the headers, in sections,
              it is fantastic. It even generates images.

              I once pasted an article from the article generator, that I
              had edited extensively, into ChatGPT to install code, line
              breaks, etc. to save me time, and the thing RE-WROTE
              some of the content back to the way the first system had
              written it as.

              These were TWO separate systems, separate A.I. tools
              that I pay for.

              I asked ChatGPT why it re-wrote my content, and it said
              it didn't know why it did it. So it does things and it has a
              mind of its own. Even when I give it specific instructions,
              sometimes it does not do what I tell it, but I still love it
              anyway.

              That doesn't mean I'm not going to continue using that
              method, I just don't give ChatGPT my edited content.

              I can still get more done this way than if I were to do it
              without using A.I. And that's just written content, I use
              other A.I. tools for other things that saves me time and
              allows me to produce so much more.

              But that's just me. People on this forum argue about
              using A.I., and it does not make me any difference
              whether they use it or not.

              Do what works for you.

              BTW, my comments are not directed towards just you,
              but to anyone who reads it, so it's nothing personal.
              Thank you, I appreciate your perspective. I had that happen too! It just rewrote my content. I had to ask it to rewrite it in a professional tone or rewrite it as if talking to a 21 year old and it changed that.

              No worries, I understand!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mel Dart
    Wow, I've been in your shoes--trying everything and ending up back at square one. I recently found a system for competitor data (just posted asking for help on it), and honestly, the phrase "if you want it done right, do it yourself" couldn't be more true.

    I'm not saying there aren't great SEO pros out there, but if you take the time even once to figure it out yourself, you'll not only save on obligations but also be way better equipped to know what to ask for and expect if you ever do hire someone to handle it for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amirah
    Your strategy can work with the right SEO partner, but a 50/50 split may be hard to secure. Consider a trial run or learning basic SEO to boost visibility!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mel Dart
    Hi again! You might want to check out the update in the thread I share:
    How to use competitor data to improve my website (showthread.php?p=11816540)

    . I'm still in the midst of finalizing the solution, but I'm getting close to another, or maybe I should say, a supplementary SEO strategy.

    I totally believe, based on experience, that tracking competitors and their data, then building an SEO strategy based on the top SERP results of competitors, is perhaps the most effective strategy by percentage. Not saying other methods are obsolete, but the key point is this, observing and analyzing what works for them can provide solid data to optimize your content, titles, and more.

    Once you gather this competitor data, you can focus on hiring a content writer to avoid AI flagging, conducting keyword research, adjusting prices and offers if relevant, and more. It really seems excessive to pay someone to eat into your profit just for SEO when you can base your strategy on what's already working for your competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    If you can write viral post for other websites then you can do it for yours .

    I do believe in outsourcing certain aspects of business but I think you should analyze the data on your website and run an audit first to see what needs to be tweaked before you hire some 1 else to do it .
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  • Profile picture of the author henrolah
    I know many website owners might feel this way but the SEO expert that would work with you is rare. I have been pitched at with this sort of arrangement but I refused.
    The solution is simple- Hire an SEO or take the time to learn the basics. Either way, you win and keep 100% of your website's revenue. You already nailed the hard part (content writing).
    Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kosmalll
    Sounds like a solid plan if you find a good SEO expert! The key is to actually grow traffic, because without it, monetization won't work. By the way, you can check out Mgid for ads - a good option to earn without aggressive spam
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  • Profile picture of the author Michal Kaczor
    Do you mind sharing your niche?
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  • Profile picture of the author VaneSSka
    Your approach to partnering with an SEO/web developer can be a useful strategy to enhance your online presence if executed thoughtfully. Just ensure that you establish clear communication and expectations to help the partnership thrive.
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  • Profile picture of the author curry ellven
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    I also meet this issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author OnlineProxy
    It can be a solid strategy if you find the right partner with proven expertise and clearly define roles and responsibilities. But the hardest part is to find such a partner, set clear expectations, and be mindful of the risks associated with changes in SEO algorithms. I would start with a small test project to ensure a good fit before committing fully.
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  • Profile picture of the author maryJacko
    This method can only work if it is eligible on the niche that you want to promote.
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