Doubt in buying PR3 domain name..

17 years ago

domain names do not have any PR ... Only pages have a PR but fact is that PR does not mean anything. It may used to at one time but it does'nt now...

If you need a domain name then just purchase a new one and build backlinks to it ..

James

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Dennis Gaskill

17 years ago

People used to buy domains to get an aged domain because aged domains tend to rank higher than new domains. Google caught onto this so they reset a domains age when ownership changes hands. It makes me wonder if PR value isn't recalculated when ownership changes hand? Or perhaps the domain is flagged recalculation later so Google can see what you're doing with it? In any case, there's no guarantee the PR won't change as soon as you start making changes.

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fthomas137

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

People used to buy domains to get an aged domain because aged domains tend to rank higher than new domains. Google caught onto this so they reset a domains age when ownership changes hands. It makes me wonder if PR value isn't recalculated when ownership changes hand? Or perhaps the domain is flagged recalculation later so Google can see what you're doing with it? In any case, there's no guarantee the PR won't change as soon as you start making changes.

Thanks for that mention Dennis.

I too have found this trend in the past year or so. I've purchased domains with PR in them and within days to weeks of obtaining the domain, the PR dissappears, regardless if the content has changed or not. Yes, the big G has gotten almost too smart!

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VegasGreg

17 years ago

It always confused/amused me to see people selling domain names with PR. As James mentioned above, the PR rating is based on a page on that domain. (And relevant content and inbound links). If it is just a domain name, it won't matter when you take over and use it differently.

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TheRichJerksNet

17 years ago

Originally Posted by VegasGreg

It always confused/amused me to see people selling domain names with PR. As James mentioned above, the PR rating is based on a page on that domain. (And relevant content and inbound links). If it is just a domain name, it won't matter when you take over and use it differently.

Another one of those myths that many prey upon counting on newbies not knowing better so they can make money.. Some people just have no morals or values when it comes to making money.

As for google resetting age or pr, not sure about that one but I would not doubt they have some system in play to fight abuse of the system. Lord only knows what type of information google has access to even if you have whois privacy enabled..

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Dennis Gaskill

17 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

As for google resetting age or pr, not sure about that one but I would not doubt they have some system in play to fight abuse of the system. Lord only knows what type of information google has access to even if you have whois privacy enabled.

The domain age resetting was a simple, but technically incorrect way of saying this: When ownership changes the domain age is reset in the trust rank portion of their algorithm.

The PR resetting was just me wondering out loud, or in print, as the case may be.

Want to know more? How about this tidbit: "If a domain changes hands, Google resets the links value to near zero."

Know who said that? Google's own Matt Cutts. Pay attention to what Cutts says because he drops a lot of good hints and tips about Google.

How about this one:

Part of Bing's new algorithm may soon be, or may already be, to rank domains based upon the ages of domains linking to it. That will delay the effectiveness of a lot of link building tactics as far as Bing is concerned, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see other search engines do something similar.

Want to know where I learned that? Just bore yourself to tears searching for and reading through the patent applications by the top search engines at the US Patent and Trademark Office. It's wonderful that they put them online for us.

Have fun with that tip!

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Davioli

17 years ago

if the domains age gets reset then wouldn't all established and currently running sites sold on Flippa ALSO lose rankings after being sold?
We all know how Google values Domain age..so if @therichjerks you are right... then everyone should theoratically lose rankings after change of domain ownership.

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TheRichJerksNet

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Davioli

if the domains age gets reset then wouldn't all established and currently running sites sold on Flippa ALSO lose rankings after being sold?
We all know how Google values Domain age..so if @therichjerks you are right... then everyone should theoratically lose rankings after change of domain ownership.

I think that is something that would have to be tested as only the search engines really know what they do... Personally I would not buy a site on flippa but that's me..

James

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sbucciarel

Banned 17 years ago

Originally Posted by Davioli

if the domains age gets reset then wouldn't all established and currently running sites sold on Flippa ALSO lose rankings after being sold?
We all know how Google values Domain age..so if @therichjerks you are right... then everyone should theoratically lose rankings after change of domain ownership.

That doesn't happen. Don't know what Google does and don't give much thought to it, but when someone buys a site with content and installs it on another server, they do not lose pagerank if there is any, nor do they lose Alexa rating, backlinks or anything else that I'm aware of. At least it hasn't happened in my experience.

I do know that some slick customers sell dropped domains with PR and the PR disappears very quickly, even if you look up the pages in the cache and restore the content, so beware of buying "PR" domains, unless there's a well-established site and you are buying the whole thing.

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Davioli

17 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

That doesn't happen. Don't know what Google does and don't give much thought to it, but when someone buys a site with content and installs it on another server, they do not lose pagerank if there is any, nor do they lose Alexa rating, backlinks or anything else that I'm aware of. At least it hasn't happened in my experience.

I do know that some slick customers sell dropped domains with PR and the PR disappears very quickly, even if you look up the pages in the cache and restore the content, so beware of buying "PR" domains, unless there's a well-established site and you are buying the whole thing.

I know. I was trying to bring the same point accross. If Google maintains pagerank and age for established sites(being transferred)...it should be the same for when a domain expires(and is bought over)

Backlinks will not go away as well. I mean lets assume a domain has a thousand backlinks from web 2.0 sites.. I doubt these web 2.0 sites actually scan their external links to remove broken links. The backlinks will remain and will be useful to the new owner.

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sbucciarel

Banned 17 years ago

Originally Posted by Davioli

I know. I was trying to bring the same point accross. If Google maintains pagerank and age for established sites(being transferred)...it should be the same for when a domain expires(and is bought over)

Backlinks will not go away as well. I mean lets assume a domain has a thousand backlinks from web 2.0 sites.. I doubt these web 2.0 sites actually scan their external links to remove broken links. The backlinks will remain and will be useful to the new owner.

I think Google handles a domain that has expired differently than one that has just changed owners. I bought a few domains that had PR3 and above when I loaded a site onto them, and one of them was a site from the cache, so the content was the same. Pagerank was 0 in all cases by the next Google update. I've also heard numerous people say that an expired domain will not keep pagerank. What Google does is a mystery to me, but now I don't buy domains that have expired and being advertised with Pagerank.

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Player777

17 years ago

A few people have noticed after buying a domain the PR has dropped back to zero. That would seem extremely unfair especially to people who bought an established website for big bucks.

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Tsnyder

17 years ago

Good Lord...

Will someone please tell me why page rank matters if you
buy an established site with lots of backlinks and good content?

Does anyone but the nerdiest of the nerd IMers even know or
care what page rank is? Does anyone actually think customers
make buying decisions based on page rank?

This is a non-issue.

Tsnyder

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