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So after months of working on my ebook, I decided to buy some traffic on AdWords with a couple of goals in mind:

1) To see whether which of my targeted keywords would get traffic (and convert) so I could then attempt to SEO for them.

2) To see whether I could put together a successful AdWords campaign that I could get to turn a daily profit in addition to my eventual SEO efforts, so as to diversify my traffic sources and not be exclusively beholden to organic SERPS.

I knew it wouldn't be easy. I'd gotten slapped (hard) in a novice campaign I tried a few months ago as AdWords determined that my landing page was too "money making" oriented (the irony is that it wasn't about making money but had some language about musicians making a living). All my keyword Quality Scores at the time ending up being 1s, minimum bids were $10 a click. Slapped.

I've read up since then. Bought Perry Marshall's book, read all the AdWords posts I could find on Warrior Forum, Red Fly Marketing, etc. Got a new domain and new AdWords account that was unaffiliated with the old one's email address. I wasn't expecting it to be easy, but I figured I'd have a shot.

48 hours later, I'm completely aggrevated and ready to give up on AdWords.

Here's what happened this time:

I complied a list of approximately 100 keywords. I made a separate ad group for each keyword and then bid on the three different match types of each keyword (exact, phrase and broad) so I could see which match type converted best.

(Note: I knew the broad matches would be a long shot, but I saw that the exact match alone wouldn't give me enough impressions and I wasn't sure about the phrase match - so this is the route I took.)

I wrote 2 versions of each ad group's ad so as to split test. I set my bids and let the campaign start running.

Fast forward 24 hours later - not surprisingly, many of the broad match keywords did not results in click throughs, lowering the overall campaign's CTR. Some exact matches had decent CTRs but were based on low impressions and not a lot of clicks (say a 10% CTR for like 2 clicks).

Dragged down by the broad keyword CTRs, the campaign ended up with a 0.64% CTR 24 hours into my testing.

Now, it appears I've been slapped. Even the exact match keywords that had decent CTRs now have quality scores of 3 or 4 (originally all the campaign's keywords had quality scores of 6-8) and are now demanding absurd minimum bids ($1.50+, which is crazy for this market and totally undoable).

I paused the nonperforming keywords, but I basically cannot keep testing new keywords at this point because now I need to pay such ridiculous CPCs to even continue testing. It's not worth it.

How does AdWords expect a new advertiser to put together a new campaign??

You obviously need to test your keywords and doing that will mean you're going to find some crap keywords you'll need to dump along the way. If I dumped all my crappy keywords 24 hours in and they've basically made it impossible to keep testing by raising the minimum CPCs so high, what am I supposed to do?

The barrier to entry is just too high. It's infuriating.

(By the way - this all happened on the search network only...no content network ads.)
#adwords #arrggh
  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Hi julianyc,

    Google's has much higher standards for their Search Network, they require nothing short of extreme relevance. The problem with broad match is that it's nearly impossible to to get that high relevance they absolutely require.

    It sounds as if your campaign got most of it's impressions from those broad match keywords which were poorly targeted. This has probably brought your overall account history down. The good news is that you have a really short account history for your poor performing campaign, so you can rehabilitate your account in short order.

    Pause all but your very best performing exact match keywords, raise your bids and let them run for a few days. It may take a bit longer if you have very few impressions, just give it time. Even though your minimum bids are higher it doesn't mean that your actual CPC will be as high. You can keep your daily budget low until you are comfortable with your CPC, but it will keep your impressions very low.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    [quote=julianyc;1568303]what am I supposed to do? QUOTE]

    If you have any keywords rated poor then do not pause them but delete them.

    pausing in effect is the same as active, and any poor rating is not a good thing to associate with your account.

    next what you think are relevant keys are or maybe not what G see as relevant, so you may need to tweak you LP with some more key lovin and allow for some time for that to filter.

    as suggested above by
    dburk
    allow some time, G ads is like good wine, stored properly and turned well it will age to a perfect drop. so expecting to turn on magic will not happen.

    explore some more keys and see if you can get a foot in the door, and i am guess you are not promoting one of the G no no type sites , ie re bills and do not break any G ad terms ?

    if so then it will by like pushing it uphill with a stick as it wont matter what you do it will never smell like a rose.

    post a url to the land page if unsure
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    • Profile picture of the author julianyc
      Thanks for the advice, I'll go ahead and try the measures suggested and will report back with results.

      But here's another challenge I'm facing:

      The exact match for my keywords is not generating much by way of impressions. All of my keywords are 1,000 or more exact match searches per month according to the keyword tool and some were as many as 74,000 per month exact, but I've found that the impressions I had thought would roll in, have not. Even when the ads were running regularly with Quality Scores of 7 and good bids.

      (I subsequently read a post by Warrior Stephen Carl Kelly who says to take the Google keyword tool's exact match output and divide by 5 to get a better idea of true searches per month as many of the searches report are associated with the search network or Google search partners.)

      Anyway, Tthis is why I had started bidding on broad match versions of my keywords in the first place.

      Should I bid on phrase match in addition to exact match in order to increase the impressions?

      I'll also work on brain storming some new keywords to add to the list. But I know that my current list of 100 exact match keywords won't be enough impressions to make for a successful campaign. I'd be lucky to get 100 clicks a day that way.
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      • Profile picture of the author ben565
        Originally Posted by julianyc View Post

        Thanks for the advice, I'll go ahead and try the measures suggested and will report back with results.

        But here's another challenge I'm facing:

        The exact match for my keywords is not generating much by way of impressions. All of my keywords are 1,000 or more exact match searches per month according to the keyword tool and some were as many as 74,000 per month exact, but I've found that the impressions I had thought would roll in, have not. Even when the ads were running regularly with Quality Scores of 7 and good bids.

        (I subsequently read a post by Warrior Stephen Carl Kelly who says to take the Google keyword tool's exact match output and divide by 5 to get a better idea of true searches per month as many of the searches report are associated with the search network or Google search partners.)

        Anyway, Tthis is why I had started bidding on broad match versions of my keywords in the first place.

        Should I bid on phrase match in addition to exact match in order to increase the impressions?

        I'll also work on brain storming some new keywords to add to the list. But I know that my current list of 100 exact match keywords won't be enough impressions to make for a successful campaign. I'd be lucky to get 100 clicks a day that way.
        maybe the reason google is slapping your campaign is because they do not like what you are promoting,i know that google do not like ebooks being promoted via a long sales page,they prefer the squeeze page model.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrice7
    You should also go back and really get into the mindset of the product and the potential users of the products. This will help you identify keywords that are more connected to your product and aid in your quality score. I got some squeeze page templates from a PPC course that may help. I am not sure I can post them yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Williams
      Yes, this can be really frustrating.

      I am not sure if this would be the right timing for this, but you need to test some phrase and exact match keywords with typing mistakes (especially 2 words smooshed into one, and similar). These usually convert really well, and the competition is lower.
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      • Profile picture of the author audiozs
        Don't forget to run a search query report, analyze it, and add in some -keywords.

        Stick with broad match for now and revise your ads and landing pages. A low CTR will lower quality score leading to expensive campaigns.

        Just my .02
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  • Profile picture of the author beksworld
    Adwords, adwords, go away, please come back another day.
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    • Profile picture of the author BethanyTbloosky
      Hi there-

      Do you use an analytics software?

      If so, you can see exactly which keywords triggered your ad and bid-up on those keywords. I do suggest phrase match for sure. I've had great success with phrase-match; I also suggest only using phrase match containing two or more words. Example: I build a vintage clothing website, so I bid on "vintage clothing" to include all the people searching "vintage clothing + city name." I then head over to my analytics after a week's worth of traffic and see what city names were searched upon the most and bid exact-match on those. After a few months, I noted all my top geo phrases and made adgroups for each of those cities and bidded exact match for [vintage clothing new york], [vintage boutique new york], ect. I suggest building geo-specific landing pages geared toward the city you're targeting in each adgroup- bam, Your quality score = 10 and your CPC is super cheap!

      If you need help setting up your analytics let me know, I'll be happy to help! I use ClickTracks; it's amazing.


      I hope this helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Yes using broad was probably your main problem.

    You know that "broad" means indeed broad in Google's eyes, this would also include *related* keywords and not only simple variations of the term?

    So its likely that you used 100 keywords which were all related, but since you used 100 adgroups and each also had a BROAD in each adgroup its likely that many of them "overlapped"?

    Broad "acne cure" *could* include "acne remedy" or "acne treatment"....and broad "acne remedy" could also include "acne cure" etc....so you might have had many redundant adgroups..just one thought.

    Furthermore...100 adgroups right away for a newbie could already be very difficult to manage and monitor. What if 85 or 90 of them perform badly? Very quicky your whole account will drop in performance and as you saw you got slapped with silly QS and bids.

    Do proper keyword research first, use ONLY exact and possibly phrase first and stay away from broad....unless you already did extensive testing and then COULD decide to also test broad if you desire so.

    Use less keywords, adgroups...maybe 10 at the max. Still very tight, with exaxt/phrase KWs in each.

    And do some brainstorming, use programs like market samurai etc. to get some nice search volume keywords. Don't compensate for low search volume by using that many KWs and adgroups right away...it will just totally get out of control as you have seen.
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