What about bing

16 years ago

Same principals for Google apply to Bing.

But in spite of Microsoft throwing money at bing by the billions... little has changed.

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Burtgummer

16 years ago

Don't waste your time worrying about Bing.

I have a site with a pretty popular keyword (90k/month), and it is ranked #7 on bing. I know it isn't #1 or #2, but I would expect to at least see a few clicks from it. I haven't seen one from Bing for weeks.

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dezfutak

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Burtgummer

Don't waste your time worrying about Bing.

I have a site with a pretty popular keyword (90k/month), and it is ranked #7 on bing. I know it isn't #1 or #2, but I would expect to at least see a few clicks from it. I haven't seen one from Bing for weeks.

From my experience with other SE's (primarily Google), you may get next to no clicks at #7. It all depends on the niche market really, as ever.

That's not meant to be a trite comment; it's more that it's pretty hard to do a comparison - unless: have you had significant clicks on Google.

Also, Quantcasting both google.com & bing.com does show some interesting differences (though, in Bing's case, the data is estimated):

Google seems to attract a greater proportion in the $100k+ earnings bracket & some other ethnic differences; as I say, though, the Bing data is still estimated.

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sterday

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Burtgummer

Don't waste your time worrying about Bing.

I have a site with a pretty popular keyword (90k/month), and it is ranked #7 on bing. I know it isn't #1 or #2, but I would expect to at least see a few clicks from it. I haven't seen one from Bing for weeks.

You are 100% right, Well people are not yet started using Bing you know. I think it will take some more time to come to competition with google,

Building links for google is quite tough, but it will apply for the other search engines as well, So better try your maximum with google, That's better IMO.
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ShanghaiTours

16 years ago

I don know about Bing and it is a little bit strange. Once I used Bing to search sth and closed the website I wanted to browse by accident, then I searched the same keywords again but never find the website again.

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roxstar

16 years ago

Well, Bing is good, I do get traffic from them but I have no clue about how to rank in there. I just do. I'd say try getting traffic from Google instead, and to drive traffic from social media and sites.

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itlnoor

16 years ago

Bing is a mystery at the most. But the strategies on Google will not work is what I found from here. Many of my new born sites ranked high with Bing. But after a while I saw them drop. But traffic when I receive 300 from Google bing sends me 5. This show the effectiveness of Bing and Google.
My advice is do not spend your efforts in Bing. Concentrate on Google.

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JamesM

16 years ago

First of all - don't worry about Bing. Even if you rank well, the traffic you'll get is a tiny proportion of what you'll get from Google.

Secondly, I've had good rankings in Bing as a side effect of backlinks. It seems that Bing gives weight to some of the backlinks that Google isn't so keen on, like social bookmarks and profile links. Sometimes I'll drop a few bookmarks to get indexed quickly by Google, but then I appear in Bing SERPs for my anchor text - has anybody else seen this pattern?

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rypher21

16 years ago

i dont worry much about bing..but its one of the good SE's i know..
if you do well in google..theres also a possibility that you'll get good positioning in bing

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kerryk

16 years ago

Originally Posted by rypher21

i dont worry much about bing..but its one of the good SE's i know..
if you do well in google..there also a possibility that you'll get good positioning in bing

Yes I would agree with this - it makes sense for bing to rank websites in a similar way to google as this is the de-facto standard. I do actually hope bing gets market share as I like the aesthetics of it.

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Evanbutler11

16 years ago

just follow common guidling which you follow for google. work hard and promote your site on diffrent site by using linkbuilidng process. you sure get good result from them.

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ForumMaster

16 years ago

The user demographic for Bing is different to that of Google.

Bing appears to favour linking from pages that share a similar topic area.

Just Follow Guideline.

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poonamt93 16 years ago

Well, actually Bing is a new option. A different search engine to get different results, and why not, more. It is not convenient to affirm that it gives unwanted results, it just gives different results, but still related to the search field. And why is not convenient? cause the websites that are indexed on Bing would probably others than those which are indexed on Google. Is not about what's better...it's just another option, at least in terms of searches.
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- webbyworld 16 years ago
  
  I think Bing is less important. Most of the internet users and serious people use Google for searcing any information. But still if you would like to optimize your site for Bing I think you need to properly optimize the on page portions of your site. I think, though I'm not very sure that Bing gives much importance to the on page portions. But still I suggest you to work mainly for Google who can only send you target traffic, not Bing!
  
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TheBrainchildGroup

16 years ago

Originally Posted by ForumMaster

Bing appears to favour linking from pages that share a similar topic area.

+1.. You're on the right track grasshoppa.

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DanielSanderson

16 years ago

ok to all of those people saying that google and bing are nearly the same

you're talking out of your A$$

bing's rubbish they're miles away from google and the relevancy that bing gives you is a joke

i have a website that's three years old in the online gaming niche (kids flash games)

i have done very good seo with it, followed all the basic principlas of title tags, header tags, description etc

i don't have my keywords in the domain as i've created a brand

i have a lot of high pr links (actual page) with a variety of anchor text and thousands of links on inner pages of high pr sites again with a variety of anchor text, site explorer gives me just shy of 25000 links

I've been number 1/2 for my main keyword on:

google.com

google.ca

google.co.uk

and all the other english speaking google's for the last 18 months and fully expect to stay there

bing put me on page 14 with a load of BS sites out ranking me, even yahoo put me on page 4

Bing is a load of crap I'm glad they're miles away from google

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DanielSanderson

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Edk

For one thing I have issues with Google and their slaps. I want to support Bing and do almost regardless as we need a viable alternative or two to Big G

did you not read what I said? here it is again

Originally Posted by DanielSanderson

ok to all of those people saying that google and bing are nearly the same

you're talking out of your A$$

bing's rubbish they're miles away from google and the relevancy that bing gives you is a joke

i have a website that's three years old in the online gaming niche (kids flash games)

i have done very good seo with it, followed all the basic principlas of title tags, header tags, description etc

i don't have my keywords in the domain as i've created a brand

i have a lot of high pr links (actual page) with a variety of anchor text and thousands of links on inner pages of high pr sites again with a variety of anchor text, site explorer gives me just shy of 25000 links

I've been number 1/2 for my main keyword on:

google.com

google.ca

google.co.uk

and all the other english speaking google's for the last 18 months and fully expect to stay there

bing put me on page 14 with a load of BS sites out ranking me, even yahoo put me on page 4

Bing is a load of crap I'm glad they're miles away from google

Bing is a piece of crap, I've made a great website with a great service and because of this it's very popular and has a lot of links

Google realizes this and they put me to the top for my keywords

Bing does not realize because it's crap so they put me on page 14

as for google "slaps" they do this because they care about users more than webmasters, they want to return relevant, helpful and useful content, if you don't rank well because you have a BS review site you only have yourself to blame

from my experience if you make a great website google will look after you, if high quality links google will look after you

I also rank on the first page for "online blackjack" with a different site, bing puts me on page 9, it just crap, I hate it, getting to the top of bing is a fluke and that's why it's crap.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if their algortithm was simply scrape the web for websites which contain the words that the user searched for and then pick the sites at random

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Glassjaw009

16 years ago

Bing is still a less sophisticated search engine than Google. That being said, your links are going to actually mean more in Bing due to this lack of sophistication. Literally, just focus on Google and Bing will follow. That's how it's played out for every one of my websites. I rank well in Google, and shortly after, I rank well in Bing. I don't know if they're copying the algorithm of what, but that's how it plays out for me. One should never seek to rank in Bing anyway.

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Billy Rey

16 years ago

bing sees links faster from my experience. A site of mine ranks 500 while it ranks 7 on bing. 3 months later, its number 15-20 on google and 2 on bing. a couple months later, they are both on the first page....google still brings the bulk of the traffic though..but the extra traffic doesnt hurt.

Basically, its just like google, but its not gonna take as long.

Keep building links, you will rank in bing in no time (of course this will still ultimately depend on your keyword)

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TheBrainchildGroup

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Billy Rey

bing sees links faster from my experience. A site of mine ranks 500 while it ranks 7 on bing. 3 months later, its number 15-20 on google and 2 on bing. a couple months later, they are both on the first page....google still brings the bulk of the traffic though..but the extra traffic doesnt hurt.

I have noticed this as well. Many of the sites I work with responded to backlink building by initially ranking well in Bing then Google shortly thereafter.

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indianlinkbuilder

16 years ago

I did nothing special for bing, but then also my site was ranking good in that, for some keywords, even better than google. But the traffic i am getting from Bing is not even 1% compared to Google. So don't worry about Bing.

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SeoTrick

16 years ago

Bing gives some weird results. It's the nature of dealing with an AI.Unless Google catches up with a meaning based search technique - and FAST - they're screwed.

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kalios

16 years ago

Unfortunately most SEO efforts involve only Google. There aren't so much knowledge about bing and yahoo because they hold only a small proportion of the total search volume.

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jasonmorgan

16 years ago

I have to disagree with most peoples attitudes towards bing and other search engines.

Yes, it's true that google (at this time) generates more traffic than the other search engines.

However, that may not always be the case.

Also, if someone were to successfully crack the bing code and could rank sites well, there is still a lot of money to be made.

If I could rank on the first page of bing for dating... who cares what my rank is on google... I'm still going to get a lot of traffic and make a lot of money.

Just something to think about.

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vivekg

16 years ago

I know one thing, if anybody wants to search for something online, the first thing that comes to their mind is google. So I wont be worrying so much about bing.

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itfactory

16 years ago

Bing, yahoo and MSN are still same, try to get traffic from Google. Thanks

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menj

16 years ago

Submit your site's XML sitemap to their webmaster tool: Webmaster Center - Bing

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- HCLee 16 years ago
  
  Bing has some similarities with Google like it likes unique content and aged domains but there are some differences too. Like you should not have more than 2 keyword phrases on a page for better seo. Also Bing seems to like static sites more than blogs.
  
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HydroJohn

16 years ago

Bing really is an unknown at this time your better of getting to the top of google before you start on any other search engine!

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webeserve

16 years ago

All the big engines work in a similar way so you won't get any problem when ranking

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faigunz77

16 years ago

Bing getting increase nowadays, and no wonder if could be google most competitor... I got quite good traffic from the and the concept is same with google itself..

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EyeInTriangle

16 years ago

I really don't understand Bing in the way that they sort rankings. I will see very irrelevant listings appear outranking sites which are clearly more related.

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meblogger

16 years ago

I noticed a website appearing in Google, Bing, Yahoo and AOL' first page of search results with as much as ten targeted keywords. But still, you can see that Google, Yahoo and AOL behaves in a pretty similar ways but Bing is a little different - check out for your knowledge.

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tjcocker

16 years ago

Forget Bing, What About Bob?

Now that was a movie. Bill Murray is a great comedic actor, even with a ****e script.

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Mik

16 years ago

Regarding not getting ranked on Bing, I just checked some of my sites in the Bing Webmaster Centre, and I noticed that they are listed with Region = "jp" (when it ought to be "us" - the region code "jp" seems to have been picked at random, as the sites have nothing to do with Japan at all, that I can think of).

I then tried searching for my keyword phrases on bing.jp, and the sites are indeed listed on the first page there. So perhaps it could be something similar for those of you who are having problems getting ranked for your keywords?

My sites are static html, and apparently the problem can be resolved if I add a meta tag for content language, which I haven't done yet.

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firstdandy

16 years ago

I do get no 1 on a keyword but just get 1-2 clicks from that keyword from Bing. I rank 5 in google and get 5 traffic daily. So You can judge the importance of Bing

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Edk

16 years ago

For one thing I have issues with Google and their slaps. I want to support Bing and do almost regardless as we need a viable alternative or two to Big G

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jasonmorgan

16 years ago

regardless of how you feel about bing.... yahoo is going to be history soon and will be replaced with a yahoo branded bing. might only be 10% of search traffic today but what about next year?

microsoft clearly wants a bigger piece of the SE pie and I don't think they are going to rest until they get it.

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DanielSanderson

16 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

regardless of how you feel about bing.... yahoo is going to be history soon and will be replaced with a yahoo branded bing. might only be 10% of search traffic today but what about next year?

microsoft clearly wants a bigger piece of the SE pie and I don't think they are going to rest until they get it.

well here's hoping the die of exhausion

but I'm not concerned at all, Bing returns crap results and that's why nobody uses it, until their algorithms become much more sophisticated people will stay with google

my opinion remains, when I rank for terms like "free online games" and "online blackjack" in google it's a skill

anyone that ranks in bing, it's a fluke not a skill, when you compare the backlinks from Bing results it really does look random

When you search "blackjack strategy" in google i'm on page two with an inner page from my blackjack site

On Bing i found a horse racing system before I found my blackjack strategy page

WTF, i don't want a horse racing system i want a blackjack strategy, that's why I typed it in

Bing is BS

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Harmain

16 years ago

easy way to get top index in bing is only collect the backlinks from sites who are maximum pages indexed in bing and getting huge traffic

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heothanhtinh

16 years ago

Never ever get any visitor form Bing
does it ban my site??
I love google more

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DanielSanderson 16 years ago

Yet more BS from Bing, it actually makes me laugh

I searched for a popular casino game on Bing

on page two I found a grey hound racing system, what the hell

someone over at microsoft needs to get their thumb out of their A$$ and realize that their search engine is crap
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jasonmorgan

16 years ago

quit yer crying... you don't like bing, we get it.

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Aussie_Al 16 years ago

2 of my sites rank highly on Bing and were both page 1 Google and have dropped off never to return to Google

Last analytics I did Bing and Yahoo were seeing 6000+ back links to my sites and google was seeing only 22 backlinks!!

I get very little Traffiic from Bing IMHO

That said someone once told me that People use Google to seek answers, find info and Bing they use more for shopping

Considering that most Pcs come with IE and Bing bundled do you think there is some value to that statement?
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DanielSanderson 16 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonmorgan

quit yer crying... you don't like bing, we get it.

I don't like it for very good reasons

if you had a games website making $15000 a month because it ranks very highly on google and it was there because google realizes what a great and popular website it is yet Bing chooses to completely ignore it you'd be pissed of with it to

if you had a blackjack website making even more than the games website because again google realizes it's a popular site and again bing chose to ignore it in because of Craps and Baccarat websites again you would be pissed of

Bing is crap
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marck_don

16 years ago

Link building for me is already enough as long as you are knowledgeable of many methods.

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nicelife

16 years ago

For some reason my websites largely get ignored by BING, it's pretty annoying when you've done all you can to outrank your competitors(meaning good SERP placement in Google) but Bing will not even rank you in the first 5 pages :-(

In the end there's not much more you can do than to have good relevant content and backlinks pointing to the content, if they still don't like you, well well . . .