Quick SEO Question. Please Help!!!!!

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I'm in the process of building some niche blog sites for Adsense and Amazon and today I found a 3 word keyowrd phrase that gets:

- 2,400 exact local searches per month
- gets $6.04 CPC
- has 5.9 million competing pages
- there are 3 PR-3, 3 PR-2, and 4 PR- n/a sites listed on the front page of Google.
- the actual keyword is available in a .com

Everything about this nich was fine until I saw the 5.9 million competing pages. Should I be worried about the competing pages.

I'm thinkg since there are 4 PR-n/a sites in the top ten and I can get the domain name with a .com maybe I should give this niche a try.

What do you think???????
#question #quick #seo
  • Profile picture of the author bozz723
    A person with relative mediocre SEO experience could rank high for this term fairly quickly. How much experience do you have in seo'ing websites? Is this your only keyword for this niche?
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    • Profile picture of the author mdotwhite
      I'm not an expert with SEO but I do know how it works and what it takes to rank.
      I'm really thinking that since I can get the keyword in a .com it shouldn't be that hard to get to the front page. Yes this will be the only keyword I'm targeting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matthew Ohms
      Did you come up with the 5.9 million using phrase or broad match for your keyword?

      Either way I'd go for it! Weak sites in the top 10 is a good sign.

      Also, do you have Micro Niche Finder or Market Samurai? Both of those programs can reveal a bunch of more info to help you make a decision. I own both and they make keyword research a snap ;-)



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      • Profile picture of the author mdotwhite
        Yes I did use phrase. I am using Micro Niche Finder it is a great tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author FredFarnes
    You have to evaluate the competition. 2400 is not a high search count, so you will not want to invest a lot of time into article writing, back-link campaigns etc.. Unless this is a prime shopping keyword and you can rank near the top of page 1 in google.

    Look at the competition, on the first page of google. How many of those sites have the keyword in the title and description? How old are the competing sites? Are there any sites less than a year old? Do they all have a zillion back-links or do some have zero back-links? Is there any user-content on the 1st page of google, ie squidoo, youtube, article-ezine etc..

    Also, if you are not in position #1, are there good site who would be above you, so the reader will have their desire for knowledge satisfied? Or will they wade through the first 8 - 10 sites before finding what they want?

    With that knowledge, you could make an evaluation.

    Good luck!
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  • lol your sorted, follow the process and ranking should be very achievable. I remember using a tool I don't know where, I think its Word Tracker?

    They have a new update where you can see the amount of competing pages there are.. but how many of them are actually optimizing their pages properly such as meta-tags, keyword density etc and those which just happen to be put into a competing page because the keyword is mentioned a few times on their page.

    The number then drops considerably so your only competing with a small number, the rest might as well not be in the list....
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  • Profile picture of the author HJ-Andrew
    mdotwhite: I'll always help a fellow from my old stomping grounds. How did you like that whippin' UK handed your boys the other day?

    About your keyword, I wouldn't stress the fact that it has a ton of competing pages. If I were you, I would snatch that domain you were talking about and immediately begin a link-building campaign, and get the ball rolling. I would also sign up for as many web 2.0 properties as possible, trying to maximize that keyword every chance you get, inside of article urls, titles, updates, and ect. Also always link back to that "money" domain name your about to buy. Everything you do on those web 2.0 sites needs to link back to your "money" site. In time, you will own those guys on the front page. There are ways to simplify this whole process but I won't go into all that at this time.

    I went to school in Lexington, I love Kentucky. I'd like to discuss this with you more if you'd like to hit me up through one of the various available methods, perhaps we can exchange ideas and so forth.
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  • Profile picture of the author reader11
    I think, with 1 month hard work you will be at first page, undoubtedly!
    With this data, I can say that keyword is very good...
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    • Profile picture of the author mdotwhite
      Ok...I just checked the source code for each site in the top 10 rankings and none of them have my targeted keyword phrase in their meta keyword tags. I think this is good.
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    • Profile picture of the author eilrach
      Originally Posted by reader11 View Post

      I think, with 1 month hard work you will be at first page, undoubtedly!
      With this data, I can say that keyword is very good...
      i would agree on this, A month or two of hardwork would be a enough. also, make use of the free tools that some people here suggests. ^_~
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    That 5.9 competing pages may not be accurate. First, was that 5.9 million for an exact phrase search or a broad match? That can make a BIG difference.

    Second, Google lies.

    Go search for best shoe horn and you'll get 2,060,000 results for a broad match search. Put quotations marks around it ("best shoe horn") and there are just 56,800 results for an exact match search.

    But here's where it gets interesting...

    Scroll to the bottom of the page and click the link to go to page 5 and the search results stop at number 36, with Google reporting similar entries have been omitted.

    Click to link to repeat the search with omitted results included and it goes back to 56,800. This time when you scroll down and click page 5, it ends at 45 of 45 results, there are no more pages, so there are really only 45 exact matches. If this were a niche you wanted to get into, knowing you have only 45 sites to compete with is much different from thinking you have over 2 million to compete with, yes?

    It's just a little white lie it tells, but it can make a very big difference at times.
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    • Profile picture of the author HJ-Andrew
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Second, Google lies.
      There is truth to this statement. But, if you know where to look, Google will tell you a little bit of truth.

      Have you ever considered Adwords campaigns for your target long tail keywords? Set it up as an exact match, let it run for a day, and there is your golden information. Adwords impression results are pretty solid. Of course, you would run the risk of people actually clicking your ad, and a number of other downsides. But the fact remains that it is a solid source of impressions for specific keywords. Use this information at your own risk.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by HJ-Andrew View Post

        There is truth to this statement. But, if you know where to look, Google will tell you a little bit of truth.

        Have you ever considered Adwords campaigns for your target long tail keywords? Set it up as an exact match, let it run for a day, and there is your golden information. Adwords impression results are pretty solid. Of course, you would run the risk of people actually clicking your ad, and a number of other downsides. But the fact remains that it is a solid source of impressions for specific keywords. Use this information at your own risk.
        Gosh, I haven't used Google Adwords in years. I wonder if the account is still there?
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  • Download a tool called WebCEO, they have a free tool and a paid. But the free tool provides you with tons of stuff, you can check any of your competitors pages such as the keywords they use for that page, you can run their page through optimization so the program can tell you where they go right and where they go wrong so you can improve yours.

    You can also run it through your site, it also allows you to search for keywords, and it comes up with relevant keywords, and then you can transfer the keywords over to check its competition and it displays the GLOBAL searches it gets per month I think through hundreds of different search engines.

    That is through google, msn, yahoo, and hundreds of other search engines.

    So if you search for internet marketing, it shows you the total amount that phrase gets searched for accross all search engines. Then they have a service to submit your new pages to the best search engines etc etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author HJ-Andrew
    Be careful with it, Dennis, if you choose to test it.
    It does provide useful information but it can cost you an arm and a leg if you don't watch it like a hawk. On top of that, a low quality score on your ads (ie: attempting to have an irrelevant ad for a top performing keyword so noone clicks it) will cause other negative effects on your account.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    Go for it. Don't analyze too much, analysis paralysis. JUST DO IT.

    What are you going to lose? $10 for the domain and half a day of work? I'd say that's worthwile investment if the keyword has commercial value (as indicated by the high CPC, although I wouldnt trust that necessarily).

    By the way that 5.9mil competing pages is BS. The ten pages that are ranking on page 1 of the results are your competition. None of the others matter. Bump one of these off page 1 and you're in the driver's seat so to speak

    Originally Posted by mdotwhite View Post

    I'm in the process of building some niche blog sites for Adsense and Amazon and today I found a 3 word keyowrd phrase that gets:

    - 2,400 exact local searches per month
    - gets $6.04 CPC
    - has 5.9 million competing pages
    - there are 3 PR-3, 3 PR-2, and 4 PR- n/a sites listed on the front page of Google.
    - the actual keyword is available in a .com

    Everything about this nich was fine until I saw the 5.9 million competing pages. Should I be worried about the competing pages.

    I'm thinkg since there are 4 PR-n/a sites in the top ten and I can get the domain name with a .com maybe I should give this niche a try.

    What do you think???????
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