My Journey Using the Clickbump/Xfactor Method of Site Building

14 years ago

Hi,

As a special gift for you, I will give you a free copy of my QuickXfactor CMS. It will help you build Xfactor/ Clickbump Site faster. PM me if you think you need it.

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Tuan

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JayYamada

14 years ago

Hi, I'm also interested to start up a xfactor method styled niche website, can you send me a copy of the xfactorcms?

I can't PM you due to my postcounts, thanks!

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cucat

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JayYamada

Hi, I'm also interested to start up a xfactor method styled niche website, can you send me a copy of the xfactorcms?

I can't PM you due to my postcounts, thanks!

Sorry guy, because the owner of this thread give me some inspire so I decided to give him free. ^^

Have a nice day

Tuan

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garryc

14 years ago

TiJay

I'm in the same position as you, full time job, just starting out, etc....just looking to learn and earn.

So far I have 3 XFactor/Clickbump sites up and am looking at putting a few more up in the next couple of weeks. I use Clickbump's wordpress templates for my sites, I haven't looked at Cucat's template but it does look interesting.

Garry

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cucat

14 years ago

Originally Posted by garryc

TiJay

I'm in the same position as you, full time job, just starting out, etc....just looking to learn and earn.

So far I have 3 XFactor/Clickbump sites up and am looking at putting a few more up in the next couple of weeks. I use Clickbump's wordpress templates for my sites, I haven't looked at Cucat's template but it does look interesting.

Garry

Hi, you can see my CMS work at :

http://www.nganhtuan.com/quickxfactor/

My CMS also can change template and currently it has a clean template which has CTR>15%

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peepin2me

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cucat

Hi, you can see my CMS work at :

My CMS also can change template and currently it has a clean template which has CTR>15%

A CTR of 15% is awesome. At present my CTR is around 2%

Could you show us live websites with ads on them, that were built using your template?

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tijay

14 years ago

Here are the stats for my last 2 niches:

Niche #9 (kitchen/dining accessories)
1. Exact phrase - 3600
2. CPC - $0.84
3. Allinurl - 1300+
4. Allintitle - 3,000+
5. Allinanchor - 126,000+
6. Exact match domain - .ORG
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7. WP site
8. Exact match keyword title
9. keyword density = 3.5%
10. Backlinks - 2 EZA

Niche #10 (gadgets)
Should be a real GEM!
1. Exact phrase - 2900
2. CPC - $1.36
3. Allinurl - 200+
4. Allintitle - 200+
5. Allinanchor - 5,000+
6. Exact match domain - .ORG
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7. WP site
8. Exact match keyword title
9. keyword density = 4.3%
10. Backlinks - 2 EZA

More coming later...

TiJay

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cucr3

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tijay

Here are the stats for my last 2 niches:

Niche #9 (kitchen/dining accessories)
1. Exact phrase - 3600
2. CPC - $0.84
3. Allinurl - 1300+
4. Allintitle - 3,000+
5. Allinanchor - 126,000+
6. Exact match domain - .ORG

Niche #10 (gadgets)
Should be a real GEM!
1. Exact phrase - 2900
2. CPC - $1.36
3. Allinurl - 200+
4. Allintitle - 200+
5. Allinanchor - 5,000+
6. Exact match domain - .ORG

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TiJay

Can you tell me where to find this info. I use AKWT but it doesn't show Allinurl, title, or anchor (what are good numbers for these three as well?). I know where to find domains too.Thanks!

Also, at what range should I stay in exact phrases? Clickbump says 2400, I see you have some higher and lower than that..

One more thing, how relevant is CPC? I mean I see some on AKWT that have a $5.00+ CPC for 2400 phrase searches. Should I stay away from these, everyone says stick to about $1 per click. Why exactly is that?

Thank you for the help!

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cucat 14 years ago

Originally Posted by peepin2me

A CTR of 15% is awesome. At present my CTR is around 2% Could you show us live websites with ads on them, that were built using your template?

Hi, change all text color into grey, it will give a higher CTR, make adsense ads like this :

Border, Background : #FFFFFF
Title : #0000FF
Text, URL : #BFBFBF

Hope this will help.

Tuan
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LadyL08

14 years ago

Originally Posted by peepin2me

A CTR of 15% is awesome. At present my CTR is around 2%

Could you show us live websites with ads on them, that were built using your template?

You could also be getting low CTR because the Adsense ads are not interesting. I have a real estate site that often gets bombarded by Loews Hotel ads. The whole 300x250 block is taken up by the ad and no one is interested.

Sometimes the ads that come up just aren't that related to your website - even when you have keywords, content, etc., there just may not be many good advertisers for that keyword. I have changed a couple of Adsense blocks with Amazon ads when that happens.

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Fraggler

14 years ago

Originally Posted by LadyL08

You could also be getting low CTR because the Adsense ads are not interesting. I have a real estate site that often gets bombarded by Loews Hotel ads. The whole 300x250 block is taken up by the ad and no one is interested.

Sometimes the ads that come up just aren't that related to your website - even when you have keywords, content, etc., there just may not be many good advertisers for that keyword. I have changed a couple of Adsense blocks with Amazon ads when that happens.

You can block those advertisers if you feel they are hurting your CTR. You can also block categories of Ads. Look in the AdSense Setup > Competitive Filter and Review Centre.

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Caneman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by LadyL08

I have a real estate site that often gets bombarded by Loews Hotel ads. The whole 300x250 block is taken up by the ad and no one is interested.

Look at the ad and get the url, then login to your adsense account and add that url to the competitive ad filter and it will not show anymore. This is how you eliminate ads that are not relevant to your keyword, and how you cull out low paying ads. To find the low paying ads enter the ad url into keywordspy.com, if it shows a low cost per click then put that url on the competitive ad filter as well. By watching which ads are posted on your site you and eliminating the cheap ones you can increase your epc.
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azmom07

14 years ago

good luck on your journey...

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cucat

14 years ago

To unlimitedsubmissions :

Can't send you PM. Plz contact me by email : admin@nganhtuan.com

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tijay

14 years ago

Thanks for the kind words of support.

cucat, thanks for the invite. I will definitely take you up on your offer. I will PM you for more details.

It is a little late where I am so I am going to sleep in a few minutes. I made some good progress today. My plan is to write up a detailed report tomorrow about my thought process when choosing a micro niche and what SEO factors I need to see in order move forward with purchasing a domain name.

TiJay

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cucat

14 years ago

Hi,

I can't send you PM. Please PM your email.

Thanks and Have a nice day

Tuan

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tijay

14 years ago

So, I built 3 sites yesterday using Clickbumps WP templates (more on that later). It took me about an hour and a half to build these sites because I was having some issues with the templates. After adding my content, I would navigate to the page to see what it looked like but there would be nothing there. After banging my head against the wall for a while, I upgraded to the 3.4 version of Clickbump's templates and that seemed to fix everything. I am thinking from now on, it should take no longer than 10-15 minutes to put a site up using his templates.

Also, I plan on giving cucat's site building product a shot and seeing how fast it takes me to build a site using that tool as well.

On to the meat of this thread. I really want to keep track of what SEO type factors will lead to a decent Xfactor/Clickbump site. What will make these type of sites super easy to rank and which factors make them earn the most.

Some of the more important factors I look for are based on the things I have read in the threads of Xfactor and Clickbump. One that I think is super important is the allinurl and allintitle factor posted by warrior Tom Goodwin:
http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post1398029

Factors I consider (all niches will be product based tangible items)
1. Exact phrase search of 3K-10K local search using AKT
2. CPC > $1 using AKT
3. Relatively even search volume trend using AKT
4. Allinurl < 1000
5. Allintitle < 10000
6. Allinanchor < 50000
7. First 10 results have low amount of backlinks to their pages
8. First 5 results should be "power" sites
9. No sites higher than a PR4 in the first 10 results
10. Exact match domain should be available (.COM, .NET, .ORG)

There is probably something that I am leaving out but that is pretty much what I am basing my micro niches on. If I think of anything else, I'll just add it in later. Also, I will try to describe each of these points in detail later on because of course there are exceptions to the rules.

You may be thinking, dude the site you just described does not exist. Don't let anyone tell you that. There are tons and tons of micro niches out there and many of them will fit into the rules that I described above. It's all about thinking creatively to come up with your niche. I hope to make a video later on about how I come up with a niche from start to finish.

Anyway, I am late for work so I gotta go. Hopefully, the factors listed above will help someone who was a little confused about what to look for when selecting a niche.

In my next post I will describe a the 3 sites that I found based on the factors above.

If you have questions, ask away. Hopefully I will be able to answer them.

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TiJay

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billuk3

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tijay

Factors I consider (all niches will be product based tangible items)
1. Exact phrase search of 3K-10K local search using AKT
2. CPC > $1 using AKT
3. Relatively even search volume trend using AKT
4. Allinurl < 1000
5. Allintitle < 10000
6. Allinanchor < 50000
7. First 10 results have low amount of backlinks to their pages
8. First 5 results should be "power" sites
9. No sites higher than a PR4 in the first 10 results
10. Exact match domain should be available (.COM, .NET, .ORG)

Are there any warriors that offer this service for finding Niche site's
buy the time you buy the software learn how to use it,then find your niche.
It would be good just to pay some one that is expert in digging up niches.
If any body does please send me a pm

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tijay

14 years ago

Here are the stats for my first 3 niches:

Niche #1 (interior decorating)
1. Exact phrase - 2900
2. CPC - $0.96
3. Allinurl - 900+
4. Allintitle - 1,700+
5. Allinanchor - 40,000+
6. Exact match domain - .ORG
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7. WP blog
8. Exact match title
9. keyword density = 4.2%
10. Backlinks - 1 EZA, 1 Web 2.0, 50 profile backlinks

Niche #2 (construction)
1. Exact phrase - 5400
2. CPC - $0.56
3. Allinurl - 1,000+
4. Allintitle - 2,000+
5. Allinanchor - 59,000+
6. Exact match domain - .NET
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7. WP blog
8. Exact match title
9. keyword density = 3.7%
10. Backlinks - 1 EZA, 1 Web 2.0

Niche #3 (kitchen appliance)
1. Exact phrase - 2900
2. CPC - $0.69
3. Allinurl - 2,400+
4. Allintitle - 4,800+
5. Allinanchor - 10,600+
6. Exact match domain - .NET
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7. WP blog
8. Exact match title
9. keyword density = 4.0%
10. Backlinks - 1 EZA, 1 Web 2.0, 80 profile links

Some of the "allin" numbers are a little off because they were different the day I purchased the domains. The "allin" numbers have a tendency to jump around a bit depending on when you search for them. One hour they could tell you one thing and in the next hour they could tell you something totally different. I am just making sure that they are close to the criteria that I have laid out. They don't really need to be exact or right on the button.

The CPC numbers are way off and that is my fault. I really should have checked the keywords more closely before purchasing the domains. I think the monthly searches for the terms are pretty decent though so hopefully that won't be a problem.

Time to get these bad boys indexed and ranked. To do this I am going to submit an article a piece to EZA and also submit an article a piece on a web 2.0 property. I have always had trouble getting these types of sites indexed and ranked. And when I say trouble, I just mean it takes me much longer to get indexed than I think it should take.

I am hoping within a few days I can get these sites indexed and hopefully by next week (19Mar) they will all be ranked. If I did my research correctly, they should be somewhere on the first page.

I am still in the process of finding my next 7 domains. I will continue to use the same criteria to find my niches.

TiJay

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cucat 14 years ago

@tijay:

Very good news from you.

Best wishes.

P/s : Besides, you should check the page rank of the first 10 results from search. Is therer any 0 or n/a page rank for all niches above ?
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- tijay 14 years ago
  
  Good point cucat. I should be looking at how many PR0 and PR N/A sites are in the top 10. For my experiment here though, I am interested in how many 0 or N/A's are in the top 5. My feeling is that if you do your research correctly, you should be able to rank in the 10-5 range pretty easily. I am hoping that these sites will crack the top 5 for their respective KWs and in doing so, I will have this log as a reproducible template on how it that can be achieved.
  
  Just locked up another decent micro niche. Here are the SEO factors:
  
  Niche #4 (interior decorating)
  1. Exact phrase - 4400
  2. CPC - $1.36
  3. Allinurl - 700+
  4. Allintitle - 1,300+
  5. Allinanchor - 58,000+
  6. Exact match domain - .ORG
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  7. Cucat's Quick XFactor CMS
  8. Double kw in title (singular and plural)
  9. keyword density = 4.9%
  10. Backlinks - 2 EZA
  
  There are one or two sites in the top 10 that worry me for this niche but I think I'll be okay. Looks like a winner.
  
  I will take a shot at building this site through cucat's site building software. I will post a review when the site is complete. I will also keep track of this site and see how it responds to the SERPS. Keep your fingers crossed cucat
  
  I have submitted EZA's for the first 3 niches. They should be approved by tomorrow COB and indexed by at least (13Mar). If not I will give them a bit of a boost in order to force them to be indexed.
  
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tijay

14 years ago

Thanks for the kind words unlimitedsubmissions. Hopefully this experiment works out for me in the end.

The first three websites have been indexed but only website #3 has made it to the SERPS as of yet. As of today it holds the #12 spot. This is pretty disappointing to me because I would have thought that it would debut much higher (#7-9) based on the low competition and the SEO factors presented earlier in this thread. The one victory I can take from today is that I was able to index and rank site #3 within a matter of 5 days. Not bad.

Its all good though, I hope to eventually come up with a formula that will get these sites indexed and ranked like clock work.

My plan is to continue to find good niches so that I can make it to my goal of 10 sites built by the end of this month. Also, I plan on building my next site using cucat's software.

That's all for now.

TiJay

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Get Inspired Today

14 years ago

Interesting thread...

It's kind of like reading a book! Thanks for sharing your experiences. I will follow along!

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robrave

14 years ago

Nice. I'm also on the journey of following Xfactor and Clickbump method, I'm sticking to keyword research right now. I believe I could earn $100+ a day within 3 months

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tijay

14 years ago

Thanks for following Get Inspired Today.

Just found 2 new domains. Actually, I just found 1 new one tonight and the other site I had a couple of days ago, I just forgot to post the stats.

Niche #5 (interior decorating)
1. Exact phrase - 2900
2. CPC - $1.11
3. Allinurl - 400+
4. Allintitle - 1,400+
5. Allinanchor - 58,000+
6. Exact match domain - .ORG
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7. WP blog
8. Double kw in title
9. keyword density = 5.4%
10. Backlinks - 2 EZA, 50 profile links

Niche #6 (home furniture)
HOPING THIS WILL BE A REAL WINNER
1. Exact phrase - 3600
2. CPC - $1.50
3. Allinurl - 100+
4. Allintitle - 300+
5. Allinanchor - 8,000+
6. Exact match domain - .NET
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7. XSP site
8. Double kw in title
9. keyword density = 5.0%
10. Backlinks - 2 EZA, 50 profile links

Going to fill out my bracket and hit the hay.

TiJay

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2d0k 14 years ago

Good luck on your journey!

This thread is nice to follow, I already bookmarked it hehe..
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- ormes21 14 years ago
  
  Motivating thread Tijay,
  
  It's good to see someone on the same path. I started at the beginning of march after reading the xfactor method and getting the clickbump theme.
  
  I currently have 13 up and running. Setting up 4 at the beginning of the week, rest of the week I concentrate on building content and backlinks so I can set, forget and move on.
  
  Some of my sites are hitting page 1 and 2 in google.co.uk already but not in .com. Some that I set up are not in the top 100 results but im confident after a month or so they will be on page 1 based on my competition.
  
  I will be checking back in this thread often to see how your getting on, I hope you start seeing some good results soon.
  
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cucat

14 years ago

@tijay :
Hi, I sent you email. Sorry because I can't send PM due to Post count.

Have a nice day

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tijay 14 years ago

research so far stinks, lol. More on this later. Also, good job setting a goal for yourself of $100/day in 3 months. I will follow suit and add a monetary goal for myself. I am thinking that each of my sites should be making about $2 per day (I hope). So, I will say that in 6 months my goal will be to have 50 of these sites completed and earnings $2/day which equals $100/day. I am going to add this to my goal list.

ormes21, glad to see you are on the same path. If you see anything that I may be doing wrong here (there's probably a bunch of junk I could improve on) please let me know. And if you feel up to, please let me know your progress. Good luck to you buddy.

So, onto the status of my first 3 sites. Noooot doooooing too good, lol. Site #1 and #2 finally made it to the SERPS debuting at...wait for it...#9 and #19 respectively. Obviously, something has to be wrong with some of my so called "SEO factors". No worries though. This thread was created so that I can learn from my mistakes and hopefully everyone else can learn right along with me.

Update on the cucat site. I am using my #4 site as a test of cucat's CMS system. I have been running into a few problems and emailing cucat. He is really quick to email me back with what I need to do. I will do a review of his system once I am done putting that site up.

TiJay
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- tijay 14 years ago
  
  I found site #7 and #8 today at work. While everyone was goofing off watching the NCAAs, I was goofing off using AKT, lol. I usually don't do this but the .NET and the .ORG were available for this one so I jumped on it. Here are the stats:
  
  Niche #7 (fishing)
  1. Exact phrase - 2900
  2. CPC - $1.00
  3. Allinurl - 700+
  4. Allintitle - 3,900+
  5. Allinanchor - 123,000+
  6. Exact match domain - .NET
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  7. WP blog
  8. Double kw in title
  9. keyword density = 4.5%
  10. Backlinks - 2 EZA, 50 profile links
  
  Niche #8 (fishing)
  1. Exact phrase - 2900
  2. CPC - $1.00
  3. Allinurl - 700+
  4. Allintitle - 3,900+
  5. Allinanchor - 123,000+
  6. Exact match domain - .ORG
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  7. XSP site
  8. Double kw in title
  9. keyword density = 3.9%
  10. Backlinks - 2 EZA, 50 profile links
  
  Yeah, I know my allinanchor is WAY outside the range of what I said. Well, judging by my first 3 websites, it's time to start breaking some of these rules and see what happens. My last 2 domains I am probably going to be breaking a few of the "SEO factors" to see what happens.
  
  That's about it for now. Going to watch basketball. Sorry to any Notre Dame fans out there. I had them going pretty far in my pool.
  
  TiJay
  
  PS - Garryc if you are still out there following along, how is your progress coming with your sites?
  
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  culvers 14 years ago
  
  Great thread, im doing the same thing. Got 5 sites up at the moment, concentrating on article marketing for them for the next week or so, then im going to build 5 new sites.
  
  They have all ranked between pages 1 and 3 with 0 backlinks. Im not too worried really as i plan to add about 20 article backlinks for each site, plus some web 2.0 profile links and maybe even a link wheel, although not sure about that yet.
  
  I too am aiming to have 50 sites built generating at least $100 per day. 45 more to go! lol but there are tons of niches out there...
  
  Another thing is im not worrying too much about the allinanchor/title etc im just looking at the top 10 search results and going by that. Im experimenting with a variety of different factors with these first 5 sites, trying to find something that works for me, which i will then replicate.
  
  The one thing I have been tough on is not touching anything with a cpc of less than $1....
  
  What i am struggling on is content, im aiming for about 5 pages (not including sitemap/about/privacy etc) of original content, each page with over 500 words. I would like to expand to about 10 - 20 pages but its so difficult thinking of stuff to write about for some of the more specific tiny niches. What are you guys doing? Just adding pages about related stuff?
  
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  halfpoint 14 years ago
  
  Tijay, just a word of warning.
  
  These "follow along" types of threads usually get deleted so it'd probably be wise to save a copy of all of your posts so that you can transfer them to a blog if it does get deleted.
  
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garryc

14 years ago

Hey TiJay

I'm still around, haven't done much work lately as I've been out sick...

My sites are doing ok, have 5 so far, one doing very well.

I plan on getting back at it next week, found a couple of cool niches I want research a bit.

Garry

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JohnSuitcase 14 years ago

Thought I'd offer you (or anyone) a few domains I bought a while back, and I just don't have the time or inclination to work them, really.

Just shoot me a domain transfer request from your host, and I'll approve them, free.

fenderreverb.com - Fender Twin Reverb Review (this one is on the first page for 'fender reverb' and gets a little traffic from 'fender twin reverb.')

bigsurveylist.com - Big Survey List - Get Paid To Take Surveys![/url] (not much luck, this is a competitive niche, and I just don't feel much love for survey stuff at this point.

electric-knife-sharpener.com - Thinking of Buying an Electric Knife Sharpener? - the stats for this search looked good to me, but I just don't really have any interest in the subject.

I'm just not really into the microniche stuff, I'm sure others have good luck with it, but I'm a recording engineer, and when I sit down to write something, I'm inspired to stick with what I know and love. So any time I spend on these sites just feels like wasted time!

Anyway, if you want them, they're yours, no charge.

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Chris-

14 years ago

I've now (after about a month) got 3 of my 5 sites at #1 position (for exact search, #2 with no quotes), the other two sites at #4 and #8, and still getting little traffic and no profit.

On my best site I am getting less than a tenth of the traffic Google says I should, which will, over a year, just about pay for my domain and hosting. And that's by far the best site, the others are so far going to make a loss.

Chris

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Bajsich 14 years ago

I have seen similar anomalies with some of my keywords, but you should not always go dot by dot at what some keyword tools will show you. If I was only using MNF i would commint suicide...the same goes for using only Market Samurai... both alongside google itself ( through pagewash of course ) give me a more realistic picture.

I have yet to see my main pages rank high ( been doing this for about 3 weeks and have setup 2 main pages only days ago - which are already ranking btw ).

To the owner of the thread I would like to say thank you for sharing, but you never mention how many backlinks or articles you have made in order to complain about poor positions. Which method do you use?

Sincerely, Base
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- jabnamedia 14 years ago
  
  One of the things I really focus on with these types of sites is the first page competition. What I want to see is that most of the top ten are pages within sites and not home pages. In other words if most of the listings on page one are like this yourkeyword.com/additionalwords I have had better luck beating these types of listings. If they have more than 500 backlinks though I tend to pass.
  
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dick gallo

14 years ago

Good luck tljay!

My goal, too, is to make $100/day-in-and-day-out within a few months.

What service do you guys use to make your websites?

I initially was leaning towards GoDaddy based on positive reviews, but then I read that some of their domains are "recycled" and tainted or something like that.

I hope to own 100 sites by the end of the year, FWIW.

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garryc

14 years ago

Unlimitedsubmissions

5 sites/day...that huge, what are you doing for keyword research? My plan is to take this week and try to come up with about 200 phrases and then go from there. How many domain names are you buying at a time?

TiJay
How are things progressing with your sites? I got 2 more built on the weekend, was really surprised to get a .org domain for one that I think will be a hit.

Exact phrase - 8400
CPC - $2.90
Exact match domain - .ORG

I'm not using the "allin*" as I find these to be a touch misleading, but according to Traffic Travis it should be an easy niche to rank for.

Garry

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garryc

14 years ago

Dick

I'm using namecheap for my domains, you can get most domains for 8.81 with a coupon and they throw in whois guard for the first year.

The only downside I've seen but I'm not sure if this is an issue with these smaller registrars, a couple of domains I purchased from GoDaddy ranked faster than with the ones purchased with namecheap.

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LadyL08 14 years ago

I have about 10 micro niche sites. Only one is solidly on the first page but only around #9. I have between 25 and 60 links for each. MicroNicheFinder shows the competition MOB to be 0 to 5, but I can't beat them. My sites all range under 200 for Allin* data.

I don't want to create more sites until I get a few more of these on the first page. For the last three months, I have averaged around $100 per month.

I'm thinking of reinvesting my earnings and outsourcing more articles.
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big_t

14 years ago

Hey Lady08,
Have you done analysis on the top 10 sites for each of your niches?
I would check their Page Ranks, backlinks, their domain names (if the KW is included), if they are top level domains, domain age, etc.
Because even if MNF gives you an MOB of 1 yet the top 8 sites on Google have high PRs (3+), a bunch of backlinks, and are TLDs, you're going to have a very hard time getting past #9.
Good luck

PS: That's a positive that you are averaging $100 month.

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LadyL08

14 years ago

Originally Posted by big_t

Hey Lady08,
Have you done analysis on the top 10 sites for each of your niches?
I would check their Page Ranks, backlinks, their domain names (if the KW is included), if they are top level domains, domain age, etc.
Because even if MNF gives you an MOB of 1 yet the top 8 sites on Google have high PRs (3+), a bunch of backlinks, and are TLDs, you're going to have a very hard time getting past #9.
Good luck

PS: That's a positive that you are averaging $100 month.

Here's an example. Take a look at the keyword 'glass lazy susan'. Tell me if you think it would be hard to reach a top spot.

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tijay

14 years ago

WOW! Alot of people have joined the party since my last post!

culvers - Thanks for sharing your thoughts on ranking and good luck with your sites. As far as content goes, I am only putting up one page of content initially and then I backlink my sites (usually EZA or Web 2.0) to get the ranked. Hopefully, the site will rank high enough to start bringing in some clicks. Then my plan is to use the earnings to buy a few more outsourced articles for the site. My plan is to add a few content pages that are loosely related to the main topic.

Pat - Thanks for the warning. I have made a backup of my posts. Hoepfully they won't shut me down though because if this works out right it will be a good learning opportunity for some people.

Chris- Do the sites you are going after have much traffic (exact search using AKT)?

Bajsich - Smart not putting all your eggs in one basket (keyword tool). As for how many links I have pointed to my sites I will be submitting articles to EZA or Web 2.0 properties to get them indexed. As I do this, I will try to update the posts that contain the micro niche info. As you can see, I have updated the first 3 sites.

jabnamedia - Man, 500 backlinks in the top 10 seems pretty high. I usually look for 5-10 or less for the sites in the top 10. Have you been pretty successful doing this?

dick gallo - Thanks for the well wishes. I am using Clickbumps WP themes, XSitePro and Cucat's software (if I can ever get some time I will put my thoughts on this software on paper. Not enough hours in the day). Also using Namecheap for purchasing domains.

Unlimitedsubmissions - "I'm making it a point to build at least 5 websites/day" Holy crap! That's a bunch of sites. If I had the time I'd definitely try to do that many though

garryc - "Exact phrase - 8400, CPC - $2.90, Exact match domain - .ORG" NICE!

Every now and then you really luck up with the these niches. Things are crazy around here but I am still researching. I am waiting for my writer to finish articles for sites #5-8 so they are not complete yet. So far the sites are holding steady in the SERPS (Site#1 = #9, Site#2 = #19, Site#3 = #11. I should probably use one of these posts as a holder for SERP updates. Maybe monetary updates too). I am in the process of hitting Site #3 with 80 profile links. We'll see what effect that has on the site. Of course I have to get those profile links indexed, which is going to be a pain.

LadyL08 - Are you hitting them with profile links? I agree with big_t, $100/month is not bad. We all gotta start somewhere.

More coming later...

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tijay

14 years ago

Analysis on the term "glass lazy susan"

LadyL08 - Take this for what it's worth because I don't have concrete evidence to back it up yet using my experiment, but I dont feel as though this is a good niche for me to go after. Here are the allin numbers that I see:

11,500 for allinurl:"glass lazy susan (too high for me)
28,700 for allintitle:"glass lazy susan (too high for me)
778,000 for allinanchor:"glass lazy susan (too high for me)

Also, searching for this term you can see that there are 2 top level domains in the top 5:

lazysusans-r-us [dot] com
glasslazysusan [dot] com

I haven't researched the backlinks for the top 5 but just on those things I would not choose this niche for my website portfolio.

Of course, I would be wrong

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tijay

Analysis on the term "glass lazy susan"

LadyL08 - Take this for what it's worth because I don't have concrete evidence to back it up yet using my experiment, but I dont feel as though this is a good niche for me to go after. Here are the allin numbers that I see:

11,500 for allinurl:"glass lazy susan (too high for me)
28,700 for allintitle:"glass lazy susan (too high for me)
778,000 for allinanchor:"glass lazy susan (too high for me)

Also, searching for this term you can see that there are 2 top level domains in the top 5:

lazysusans-r-us [dot] com
glasslazysusan [dot] com

I haven't researched the backlinks for the top 5 but just on those things I would not choose this niche for my website portfolio.

Of course, I would be wrong

TiJay

I want to go a little deeper if possible.
- MNF shows allinurl to be 125, which I thought was great
- When I do the search through Google, I get 2,570. That's without quotes. I would think without quotes would give a greater number. Title: 6,730; anchor: 219,000

- Yahoo Explorer shows
lazysusans-r-us [dot] com with 110 content pages, 46 inlinks. 90% are internal links and the other are mainly reciprocal links. PageRank of 1

glasslazysusan [dot] com has no links

My TLD - 8 content pages, 72 inlinks. 80% are from various article directories, others are web 2.0 and other websites that picked up the link

I thought we buy these products, MNF, Market Samarai, etc. because they make our work easier, but apparently we still have to do everything manually to get more accurate numbers?

I guess it's a matter of just digging a little deeper.

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inter123

14 years ago

80% of 72 is about 57. How long did it take you to write these articles?

Originally Posted by LadyL08

My TLD - 8 content pages, 72 inlinks. 80% are from various article directories, others are web 2.0 and other websites that picked up the link

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LadyL08

14 years ago

Originally Posted by inter123

80% of 72 is about 57. How long did it take you to write these articles?

Originally Posted by LadyL08
My TLD - 8 content pages, 72 inlinks. 80% are from various article directories, others are web 2.0 and other websites that picked up the link

I use SubmitYourArticle. You create sentence and resource box variations and it spins and distributes your article. (I always change enough to get to at least a 40% original rate.)

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Chris- 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tijay

Chris- Do the sites you are going after have much traffic (exact search using AKT)?

Yes, supposedly!!

One example . . . one of my sites is at #3, GAKT says there are 9900 exact global searches per month, yet I get (at the present rate) about 400 AdSense impressions per month, even though my site-description is by far the best answer to the search term. Similar ratio for other sites (I have another site at #3, one at #2) . . . I get a tiny fraction of the traffic that one would logically expect.

Chris-
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JohnSuitcase

14 years ago

just an update, I gave away fenderreverb.com, if anyone wants electric-knife-sharpener.com or bigsurveylist.com, shoot me a message or an email, I can push it to you for free, I believe, if you're a namecheap customer, too.

Email me at jmckay @ suitcaserecordings.com

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big_t

14 years ago

Hi ladyl08
I'm on the same page as tijay.
Based on my quick research of this KW (glass lazy susan) it doesn't seem to be an easy KW to rank #1 for. Doesn't seem impossible, but not easy.
I actually see 3 TLDs in the top 10 and more specifically these sites are 100% focused on lazy susans.

On the plus side, I see 5 PR-0 sites with very few backlinks.
I think overall it should be ok to get on to page 1 but not so sure about getting a high ranking on that page.

Just my opinion of course. I'm no expert.

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4morereferrals 14 years ago

Great thread so far guys...

From meet the faulkers ... got my eyes on you Tijay :-)

Ive stayed away from adsense for the most part due to the additional scrutiny it typically brings. But I must say if there are $100 days to be had by doing little to no SEO - and creating about 20 sites... I could have easily amassed a substantial virtual empire by now!

The devil'z alwayz in the detailz I know - so Im paying attention now.

Money being made yet?

Why NO seo - 1 article and a few content posts in a WP blog? [ i consider that pretty much NO offsite seo.
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dick gallo

14 years ago

So, it looks like I'm gonna go with namecheap.com or something else for domains (basically anything that's cheap).

My main concern is paying for the actual construction of the sites.

Does Wordpress allow you to build all of your websites for free?

I ask this because hosting ($3/month) doesn't sound that bad on paper, but that cost multiplied by 50-100 sites doesn't work well for a 19 year-old kid in college.

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Andie

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dick gallo

So, it looks like I'm gonna go with namecheap.com or something else for domains (basically anything that's cheap).

My main concern is paying for the actual construction of the sites.

Does Wordpress allow you to build all of your websites for free?

I ask this because hosting ($3/month) doesn't sound that bad on paper, but that cost multiplied by 50-100 sites doesn't work well for a 19 year-old kid in college.

Hi Dick,
I'm not sure what hosting you are looking at, but Hostgator has a pkg (I think it is the Baby Croc) that is just under $10 a month for hosting unlimited sites.
Wordpress is free platform to build your sites and you can use it in conjunction with Hostgator very easily.

hope that helps a bit
Andie

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dick gallo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andie

Hi Dick,
I'm not sure what hosting you are looking at, but Hostgator has a pkg (I think it is the Baby Croc) that is just under $10 a month for hosting unlimited sites.
Wordpress is free platform to build your sites and you can use it in conjunction with Hostgator very easily.

hope that helps a bit
Andie

Sweet Jesus!

What a deal, Andie.

Would Hostgator work well with namecheap.com?

I know these kind of questions sound dense, but I am a complete and utter newbie at this point in time.

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Andie

14 years ago

That's okay, we're all learning something everyday I hope!
Don't know why it wouldn't work with namecheap, I seem to stick to godaddy for domains.
I haven't had anything but good with Hostgator. check 'em out

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tijay

14 years ago

I want to go a little deeper if possible.
- MNF shows allinurl to be 125, which I thought was great
- When I do the search through Google, I get 2,570. That's without quotes. I would think without quotes would give a greater number. Title: 6,730; anchor: 219,000

LadyL08 - I have researched this a little more and it's left me with nothing but more questions. I see that MNF uses the inurl command instead the allinurl. I have found that these 2 commands are different.

inurl:

If you include inurl: in your query, Google will restrict the results to documents containing that word in the URL. For instance, [ inurl: print site:Interactive online Google tutorial and references - Google Guide ] searches for pages on Google Guide in which the URL contains the word "print." It finds pdf files that are in the directory or folder named "print" on the Google Guide website. The query [ inurl:healthy eating ] will return documents that mention the words "healthy" in their URL, and mention the word "eating" anywhere in the document.

Note: There must be no space between the inurl: and the following word.

Putting inurl: in front of every word in your query is equivalent to putting allinurl: at the front of your query, e.g., [ inurl:healthy inurl:eating ] is the same as [ allinurl: healthy eating ].

In URLs, words are often run together. They need not be run together when you're using inurl:.

allinurl:

If you start your query with allinurl:, Google restricts results to those containing all the query terms you specify in the URL. For example, [ allinurl: google faq ] will return only documents that contain the words "google" and "faq" in the URL, such as "www.google.com/help/faq.html". This functionality can also be obtained through the Advanced Web Search page, under Occurrences.

In URLs, words are often run together. They need not be run together when you're using allinurl:.

In Google News, the operator allinurl: will return articles whose titles include the terms you specify.

The Uniform Resource Locator, more commonly known as URL, is the address that specifies the location of a file on the Internet. When using allinurl: in your query, do not include any other search operators. The functionality of allinurl: is also available through the Advanced Web Search page, under Occurrences.

REFERENCE
Google Search Operators - Google Guide

So I ran the term "glass lazy susan" through MNF and I got 126 which is pretty much what you got. Then I ran that term through a google search (inurl:glass lazy susan) and I got 65,800. Then I thought, maybe MNF narrows that number (65K) down. So I set the google results to 100 per page and clicked the last page of the results. That narrowed the number down to 474.

All this to say that I have no idea where that 126 number comes from and what it represents. Also, judging by the explanation listed above, it would seem that the more relevant search operator would be allinurl instead of inurl because inurl also counts text that appears on the page of the search results while the allinurl operator simply looks at the URL itself. I say this because I would think google would put more emphasis on a website that has all three keywords in the URL.

Questions that I have now:
1. Why does allinurl:"glass lazy susan" (11,700) and allinurl:glass lazy susan (2,620) yield different reults? Makes no sense. If there is an "SEO guru" watching out there, I'd love to know what is the difference between the two.

I thought we buy these products, MNF, Market Samarai, etc. because they make our work easier, but apparently we still have to do everything manually to get more accurate numbers?

I guess it's a matter of just digging a little deeper.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this one. We should all probably do some manual checking once our tools tell us that we have found a good niche.

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tijay

14 years ago

Are there any warriors that offer this service for finding Niche site's
buy the time you buy the software learn how to use it,then find your niche.

billuk3 - There are no tools with those specifications that I know of. Seems that Micro Niche Finder and Market Samarai are pretty popular. I have MNF myself.

With all the easy to use backlink tools and services out there - why not just rock a gaggle o' backlinks on these sites and get them to rank in days not months? I mean the idea of creating a page based upon low hanging fruit and easy competition and just letting it sit there in the SERPs languishing - with no link love seems .... well almost sacrilegious.

Is there a reason ?

4morereferrals - Don't worry, I will be hitting these sites with a few profile links in order to move them further up the SERPS. But I'll go back to what Craig McPherson said. "Be prepared to have some duds and dont waste time trying to flog a dead horse. Give them 3 months of TLC and if they dont rise, dump em." I am not going to get too committed to any of these sites. My strategy is to put'em up, give'em a little nudge if they need it and then move on to the next niche.

hi guys, i'm also trying out the xfactor/clickbump method. i have one site up. planning to have at least 20-30 sites out by the end of the year. let's keep each other updated.

wahsupermom - Welcome to the party. Hope this thread will help you out. Good luck with you sites!

I'd rethink that. Just remember that this thread will still exist for years to come and if one day you decided to use that site and put ads on it, well it would not be that difficult for people to track all of your other niche sites on the same host and if they were even greater douchebags, they could clickbomb you.

sarasayshi - Excellent points. I think what I would have to do is get brand new accounts for everything (namecheap, EZA, hosting, etc.). As for the click bombing part, I would definitely strip off the adsense ads and go with something like amazon or ebay ads.

finding and building the site is half the battle - getting and keeping your site ranked is the other half.... actually, much more than half! if no other sites love (link) you, then google probably isn't either.

and i'm sorry the xfactor/clickbump templates are hideous! lol!

i'm enjoying following this thread! keep on truckin!

scott g - Yeah, finding the niche with enough estimated traffic can really be a pain in the butt. My thoughts on keeping these sites ranked is that hitting them with a few profile links should do the trick. we'll see on that one. The templates are pretty basic but they seem to do the trick with CTR's, we'll see about that one too.

One example . . . one of my sites is at #3, GAKT says there are 9900 exact global searches per month, yet I get (at the present rate) about 400 Adsense impressions per month

Chris- Yeah, that one really has me stumped. Seems as though you should be getting much more traffic than that. 400 impressions per month doesn't seem to be horrible though. Probably $1+ per day? On another note, I seem to be having the same issue with not getting the clicks. More on that in the next post.

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tijay 14 years ago

UPDATE FOR SITE #3
This site debuted at #11 and I hit the site with 80 profile links. I think about 15-30 of them are now indexed and the site has made it's way to #4. Awesome! So why in the heck aren't I getting any clicks. Not so awesome!

I am going to need to do some more investigation on this one. I realize the search term only has 2900 exact searches per month and I am only at position #4 but I would think that I would get a little more traffic than a couple uniques (2 or 3) per day.

The solution to this might just be fixing my description making the link more attractive to click on.

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  Hey tijay I love all the info you've posted its been an interesting read.
  
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tijay

Chris- Yeah, that one really has me stumped. Seems as though you should be getting much more traffic than that. 400 impressions per month doesn't seem to be horrible though. Probably $1+ per day? On another note, I seem to be having the same issue with not getting the clicks. More on that in the next post.

TiJay

$1 a day??? I wish!!! I am getting little over a dollar a MONTH from that site, and that's by far the best of my "ClickBump" type sites.

Chris-

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Jacob Martus 14 years ago

Your keyword research isn't always going to be 100%. Keep making the websites is the general idea though. So that example didn't perform. Drop it, forget about it, move on to another niche. Eventually you will find the site that's going to do $7-$15 per day and then, you'll be happy.
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tijay 14 years ago

Well, I thought sites #4-8 would be indexed and ranked at approx. position #5-7 in the SERPS without much effort. Looks like that is not exactly the case. Site #6 was pretty close coming in at #8 in the SERPS after only 2 EZAs were submitted. Looks like these sites will need a bit of a boost so I will hit them with some profile links and see what happens.

My last 2 sites are up and active with 2 EZAs submitted. Hopefully, these will be indexed a little higher. We'll see.

On another note, I found a pretty good amount of decent micro niches within the last week. Actually, I found more niches with good traffic than I could purchase . I have used a strategy that I haven't seen anywhere on these forums.

I am considering making a WSO (my first, gotta start somewhere right ) and throwing this technique in there. It's really nothing tricky about it, but I have found a good deal of niches using it. I figure people probably don't really need help constructing sites and throwing links at these types of sites. The real work is done up front actually trying to find these niches with enough traffic to make it worth while.

Anyway, back to the drawing board with my "SEO factors". I'll be updating my progress as I go along.

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14 years ago

Keep in mind it is a numbers game.

Most of your income will come from a small percentage of your sites.

Be prepared to have some duds and dont waste time trying to flog a dead horse.
Give them 3 months of TLC and if they dont rise, dump em.

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cucat

14 years ago

My keywords selection :

Exact Search : 2400 - 2900
CPC : min 1 usd
Top 10 : have 3 websites 0 or n/a

That's all. This is the hardest part. For other things, we can outsource.

Wish you guys have a good day.

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14 years ago

Dick gallo - Yes, wordpress is a free platform. You can find hundreds of free templates by searching for "free wordpress templates". For this particular experiment, I will be using Clickbump's WP templates (ClickBump Engine v3|clickbump.com - no aff link). As Andie has mentioned, check out Hostgator's "baby plan" (Web Hosting - Shared cPanel Web Hosting - no aff link). I have that plan myself and have not have any problems with it. When you start making some more money, check out hostgator's other site SEOHosting.com which sells separate class c IP hosting. Currently, I have the 5 separate class C IP addresses and that is what I am spreading my 10 "starter" sites across in this experiment. Also, kudos to you for starting your IM journey early. I wish I knew about this stuff when I was 19.

4morereferrals - LOL! @ "From meet the faulkers ... got my eyes on you Tijay". Money is not being made quite yet. I am going to refrain from putting my adsense ads up until my sites make it to the 7 or below spot in the SERPS. None have made it there yet. I haven't done any SEO quite yet because I want to get to the bottom of what "SEO factors" listed earlier in this thread will cause a website to be initially ranked as high as possible. So basically, initially I'd just like to get these suckers indexed and see what the SERPS thinks of them. Hopefully, I can get to a point where I can say if I find a site that has "SEO factors" of X+Y, usually I can make it to Z in the SERPS with no problem at all. My first 3 sites were duds, so I will of course need to hit them with some links but hopefully this next batch will perform a little better.

Craig McPherson - Excellent point. Hopefully I'll have more winners than duds

Taolaga - I have been going back and forth about showing a few of my sites after this experiment is over. If I think it will help out some people than I think I might just do that. Of course, I'll have to strip off my ads first. For now though, I'll keep them a secret.

LadyL08 - I don't have my MNF with me currently. I'd like to analyze that term more and get back to you on that.

Cucat's review is coming next.

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tijay 14 years ago

Review of Cucat's software QuickXFactor CMS

I used QuickXFactor CMS to build my forth site in this experiment. It is a good piece of software to have in your arsenal if you are building tons and tons of these types of sites.

My first shot at using this software, it took me approx. 20-25 minutes to put up my site but that did include reading the instructions and everything. I got some errors the first time and emailed Cucat. He was super responsive and emailed me back in about 5 minutes with a fix. Turns out there were some lines of codes that needed to be commented out and he asked me to try it again.

The second time I build the site, it literally took me about 5-7 minutes (not including adding pics or adsense code).

The software is very easy to use and the instructions are pretty simple to understand. The resulting website was the classic xFactor looking site with the black header containing yellow and white words, green sidebar and white body. I believe there is a way to change the template but I didn't get into any of that.

PROS

- Your about, contact and privacy policy pages are set for you once you complete the admin install page
- Took me 5-7 minutes to put up a one content page site including about, contact and privacy policy

CONS

- There was some code that I needed to comment out in order to make it work for me (I'm sure Cucat has fixed that by now)
- For some reason my title meta tag kept doubling up the keyword in my title (ie., KEYWORD KEYWORD). I may have been doing something wrong though.
- After installing, I needed to delete a variable out of the template that was appearing in my right sidebar.

REQUESTED ADDITIONS

- It would be awesome if the user could add the actually front page text on the admin set up page instead of having to visit the second URL in order to add the text. Not even sure if that is possible but it would be awesome

Overall I would give the QuickXFactor CMS software an 8 out of 10 rating. I am going to add this to my "toolbox". I will not be replacing Clickbump's templates or my XSP templates but the software is a nice addition.

Here is a link to Cucat's you tube video demoing his software:

YouTube - QuickXFactor CMS - Fast Demo

On another note, I have found my last 2 niche sites and put up sites #5-8 last night. I will share all the stats on that later on.

Gotta go.

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  @tijay:
  
  First of all, I want to say Thank you very much for your reviews. I very much appreciate that.
  
  - There was some code that I needed to comment out in order to make it work for me (I'm sure Cucat has fixed that by now)
  - For some reason my title meta tag kept doubling up the keyword in my title (ie., KEYWORD KEYWORD). I may have been doing something wrong though.
  - After installing, I needed to delete a variable out of the template that was appearing in my right sidebar.
  
  Currently, I have fixed all bugs and I have set the value sidebar_menu as default and include it in install step. (I left that variable there just to want those who use my software first time know how to use variables in my CMS)
  
  - It would be awesome if the user could add the actually front page text on the admin set up page instead of having to visit the second URL in order to add the text. Not even sure if that is possible but it would be awesome
  
  It's a good idea. I will add this feature to my CMS.
  
  I believe there is a way to change the template but I didn't get into any of that.
  
  My CMS can change template easily, I can even convert Clickbump templates to my CMS, it only takes me 15min to do that. But I won't do that because it is Clickbump's template. Hehe...I and my Partner currently work for other templates which have higher CTR. When we finish, we will send notification to all of our customers and you guys can download it for free.
  
  If someone know HTML, I can show him how easily to build a template for my CMS. Just contact me.
  
  Finally, I want to say thank you to Tijay once again. You are the first one who give a very long review for my CMS. Love it.
  
  Wish you have a nice day ^_^
  
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4morereferrals

14 years ago

Baffled ...

With all the easy to use backlink tools and services out there - why not just rock a gaggle o' backlinks on these sites and get them to rank in days not months? I mean the idea of creating a page based upon low hanging fruit and easy competition and just letting it sit there in the SERPs languishing - with no link love seems .... well almost sacrilegious.

Is there a reason ?

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4morereferrals - LOL! @ "From meet the faulkers ... got my eyes on you Tijay". Money is not being made quite yet. I am going to refrain from putting my adsense ads up until my sites make it to the 7 or below spot in the SERPS. None have made it there yet. I haven't done any SEO quite yet because I want to get to the bottom of what "SEO factors" listed earlier in this thread will cause a website to be initially ranked as high as possible. So basically, initially I'd just like to get these suckers indexed and see what the SERPS thinks of them. Hopefully, I can get to a point where I can say if I find a site that has "SEO factors" of X+Y, usually I can make it to Z in the SERPS with no problem at all. My first 3 sites were duds, so I will of course need to hit them with some links but hopefully this next batch will perform a little better.

Craig McPherson - Excellent point. Hopefully I'll have more winners than duds

Taolaga - I have been going back and forth about showing a few of my sites after this experiment is over. If I think it will help out some people than I think I might just do that. Of course, I'll have to strip off my ads first. For now though, I'll keep them a secret.

LadyL08 - I don't have my MNF with me currently. I'd like to analyze that term more and get back to you on that.

Cucat's review is coming next.

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Wayfatwhitey

14 years ago

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Baffled ...

With all the easy to use backlink tools and services out there - why not just rock a gaggle o' backlinks on these sites and get them to rank in days not months? I mean the idea of creating a page based upon low hanging fruit and easy competition and just letting it sit there in the SERPs languishing - with no link love seems .... well almost sacrilegious.

Is there a reason ?

Amen brother. Just a couple links a day should get you human traffic within the first week.

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sarasayshi

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tijay

Taolaga - I have been going back and forth about showing a few of my sites after this experiment is over. If I think it will help out some people than I think I might just do that. Of course, I'll have to strip off my ads first. For now though, I'll keep them a secret.

I'd rethink that. Just remember that this thread will still exist for years to come and if one day you decided to use that site and put ads on it, well it would not be that difficult for people to track all of your other niche sites on the same host and if they were even greater douchebags, they could clickbomb you.

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scott g 14 years ago

it's funny - i'm extremely picky when it comes to selecting niche's and everytime i think that i've found a good one, the damn exact match domains are already taken!

now i'll only look at page one.... sometimes page two in the SERP and usually don't find these sites in the top 20. so i'll manually plug in the keywords.org - .com - .net and see these xfactor/clickbump templates with zero backlinks!

finding and building the site is half the battle - getting and keeping your site ranked is the other half.... actually, much more than half! if no other sites love (link) you, then google probably isn't either.

and i'm sorry the xfactor/clickbump templates are hideous! lol!

i'm enjoying following this thread! keep on truckin!

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wahsupermom

14 years ago

hi guys, i'm also trying out the xfactor/clickbump method. i have one site up. planning to have at least 20-30 sites out by the end of the year. let's keep each other updated.

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cucat

14 years ago

Hi all, sorry for this inconvenience. due to my post count, I can send Private Message. So, if anyone want to talk with me about my CMS. Please send me email at : admin@nganhtuan.com. Thanks you very much

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retry

14 years ago

Hi Tijay.
Good and detailed posts here.
I've been earning money with micro niche sites for a while, even before the "Xfactor hype". It's a very good method, and I'm sure you will do good.

I would just like to be patient. For me it normally takes from 2-4 weeks before a site starts earning, and a couple of more weeks before it reach its potential.

Good luck !

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tijay 14 years ago

Okay, so I think I have found something here. LadyL08, your question combined with some research that I have been doing has been really bothering me. The results of my research just did not make any sense to me. Why would I be getting different results for allinurl:"glass lazy susan" then I would for allinurl:glass lazy susan?

Well here's the deal. The search parameter allinurl:"glass lazy susan" will give you all the URLs that contain the words "glass lazy susan" one after the other. Ex. http://www [dot] website [dot] com/the-best-glass-lazy-susan.html

Here is evidence of that with a pic from google:

The search parameter allinurl:glass lazy susan will give you all the URLs that contain the words "glass lazy susan" in any order. Ex. http://www [dot] website-glass [dot] com/cheap-lazy-susan.html

Here is evidence of that with a pic from google:

So now that we got all that out of the way, everything makes sense now right? Wait. My question was "Why does allinurl:"glass lazy susan" (11,700) and allinurl:glass lazy susan (2,620) yield different results?" Seems like a relevant question right? Why would URLs with the words "glass lazy susan" one after the other yield more search results than URLs with the words "glass lazy susan" in any order. Ah ha! Google is playing games with us.

It turns out we need to do these searches with the google results set to 100. Here are the results that make much more sense to me:

2,620 for allinurl: glass lazy susan

81 for allinurl:"glass lazy susan"

SO! With that being said, LadyL08, I am still not sure that "glass lazy susan" is a good micro niche to go after because there are 3 TLD's in the top 10 search results. BUT, it seems that it is looking ALOT better than I thought it was looking after doing all this research WHEW!

Also, it looks like I might need to redo the research of my "SEO Factors" with the google results set to 100.

LadyL08, thanks for your questions. I just learned a bunch doing this research

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Paul Norwine

14 years ago

Hey everybody - I am beginning to put up some xfactor / clickbump sites but as Scott G mentioned above, I don't have any problem finding good keywords...it's the exact domain name that trips me up.

I know it's not ideal but has anyone who follows the xfactor / clickbump method found success using domain names with an extra word (as in keyworddeals.com)? There seems to be some debate back and forth and I just want to see if anyone has actually had success using an added word...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Norwine

Hey everybody - I am beginning to put up some xfactor / clickbump sites but as Scott G mentioned above, I don't have any problem finding good keywords...it's the exact domain name that trips me up.

I know it's not ideal but has anyone who follows the xfactor / clickbump method found success using domain names with an extra word (as in keyworddeals.com)? There seems to be some debate back and forth and I just want to see if anyone has actually had success using an added word...

Paul

You can add hypen if its 2 or 3 words keyword, i personally do not recommend more than 2 hypen.

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Conrad Stuart

14 years ago

Hey Paul,

I have had good success with adding an extra word to the domain. Just make sure that it is a short word (my, now, the) and you should be fine. I have a site right now making me 200$ a month with an extra word....

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Paul Norwine

14 years ago

@John - I've heard the negative outweighs the positive in terms of using hyphens. Have you personally had a lot of success with the hypens (and would you recommend hyphens over adding another word)?

@CSH5813 - great! Again, I know it's not ideal but I've got a couple of sites up that have an extra word added so I'll keep my fingers crossed

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Norwine

@John - I've heard the negative outweighs the positive in terms of using hyphens. Have you personally had a lot of success with the hypens (and would you recommend hyphens over adding another word)?

I am not sure where u read negative about usage of hyphens, i personally have around 15 domains/sites which have 1 or 2 hyphens and most of these sites are on first page for target keyword.

The only negative aspect i can think of is that its hard to remember the domains with hyphens, but there are no issues with regards to SEO.

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Sheryl Polomka

14 years ago

Hi guys, sorry if this has already been asked I might have missed it, but could you tell me how you do the search for allinurl, allintitle, allinanchor - is it just typing in google allinurl:keyword phrase? Do you leave a space between your keywords or type them without spaces?

Edit: I just saw the thread above with the screenshots of searching, although there are different one's, which is the correct one - with or without quotes, with or without spaces between the keywords?

Next, and I'm not sure if this is the thread I should be asking this on but, I have a few niche blogs and following other methods from a couple of WSO's I am still struggling to get on page 1 in Google never mind number 1. Is there a step by step guide to this method that you are using here? Can someone point me in the right direction to where I can get this method laid out step by step.

I know there is an xfactor thing I've heard about and the clickbump, but are you using one method or a combination of a couple of methods? I went to the clickbump website but can't really find any actual step by step of how to do it all.

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Jacob Martus

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka

Hi guys, sorry if this has already been asked I might have missed it, but could you tell me how you do the search for allinurl, allintitle, allinanchor - is it just typing in google allinurl:keyword phrase? Do you leave a space between your keywords or type them without spaces?

Edit: I just saw the thread above with the screenshots of searching, although there are different one's, which is the correct one - with or without quotes, with or without spaces between the keywords?

Next, and I'm not sure if this is the thread I should be asking this on but, I have a few niche blogs and following other methods from a couple of WSO's I am still struggling to get on page 1 in Google never mind number 1. Is there a step by step guide to this method that you are using here? Can someone point me in the right direction to where I can get this method laid out step by step.

I know there is an xfactor thing I've heard about and the clickbump, but are you using one method or a combination of a couple of methods? I went to the clickbump website but can't really find any actual step by step of how to do it all.

If you go to the Clickbump thread (search for it and you'll find it, its got like 20 pages), he has his original post. Then either the next post down or the one after that is his method. It's 5 simple steps.

You mentioned that you're having trouble getting your pages on page 1 let alone #1. That hardly ever happens for my micro-niche sites. That is the ultimate goal, but #2-#5 still pay decently if you've done proper keyword research.

It's really all about the keyword research. If you don't land on page 1 right off the bat with on-page SEO, then just backlink and build more sites. Don't devote too much time to 1 website. This strategy is about volume.

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Sheryl Polomka

14 years ago

Thanks Jacob, I did see the Clickbump thread, I was just wondering if there was anything with more detailed step by step instructions. I will read through it again and have a go. I have spent a lot of time on some of my sites - too much time doing backlinking etc. but still not ranking where I'd like them to.

I have done my keyword research based on a recent WSO I purchased and also some past courses I've taken, but perhaps this Clickbump method has more indepth keyword research, perhaps my keywords still aren't the right criteria to rank well.

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Jacob Martus

14 years ago

Yeah...there aren't any really detailed step by step instructions...but it sounds like you already know what you're doing pretty well. I think two key things that I have seen Clickbump point out on his thread more than anything else are:
1.) Keep building sites. Don't worry about 1 dancing around, focus on putting another one up.
2.) Keyword Research - Most of the time if you've done good research and landed the exact keyword in the domain you'll start off in a pretty good position.

The goal of Clickbump's method is to land on the first page without backlinks. But, nobody can see the future and whether or not a site is going debut on the first page. That's why this is all about numbers. I've read it several times here when talking about micro-niche adsense websites, "You'll make most of the money off a minority of your sites.

I think there are a lot of uncontrollable factors with micro-niche also. For example I have two micro-niche adsense websites with the same wordpress theme. Same layout and ad placement. Yet, one of the websites has a 20% CTR, while the other one has a 5% CTR. The one with the higher CTR is the comforter niche, the lower CTR is a piece of deli equipment. Obviously people shopping for comforters...or home and garden stuff are more likely to click on adsense than butchers.

Anyway, I'd say the most important part is to keep putting up websites. I aim for 2 per week. I've got it down to a T and I can get these sites up in 1 hour each. Not all of my new sites debut on page 1 of Google, but some of them have...and they continue to earn without any maintenance...to this day. The one's that don't start out on page 1, I add into my backlinking campaigns. If you consistently backlink these sites...eventually they will rise. It may take awhile to see some results...but if you stay consistent, you will see results.

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tijay

14 years ago

I know it's not ideal but has anyone who follows the xfactor / clickbump method found success using domain names with an extra word (as in keyworddeals.com)?

Paul - I have heard that if you use a short arbitrary word at the end of the domain (ex. hq, now, etc.) that should work as CSH5813 stated. I haven't tested it myself though.

Can you tell me where to find this info. I use AKWT but it doesn't show Allinurl, title, or anchor (what are good numbers for these three as well?). I know where to find domains too.Thanks!

Also, at what range should I stay in exact phrases? Clickbump says 2400, I see you have some higher and lower than that..

One more thing, how relevant is CPC? I mean I see some on AKWT that have a $5.00+ CPC for 2400 phrase searches. Should I stay away from these, everyone says stick to about $1 per click. Why exactly is that?

cucr3 - I actually just use google's main search and enter the allin factors manually. If you do this, watch out. Google cuts you off after a while and makes you enter captcha stuff.

I would say 2400 is a good start. The higher the better.

People usually say look for $1 at least for CPC. Usually this is just a minimum though. If you find something with $5+, go for it! The higher the better.

$1 a day??? I wish!!! I am getting little over a dollar a MONTH from that site, and that's by far the best of my "ClickBump" type sites.

Chris - Sorry to hear that. Hopefully this experiment will be successful and help others like yourself out.

Eventually you will find the site that's going to do $7-$15 per day and then, you'll be happy.

You mentioned that you're having trouble getting your pages on page 1 let alone #1. That hardly ever happens for my micro-niche sites. That is the ultimate goal, but #2-#5 still pay decently if you've done proper keyword research.

Jacob - definitely hoping I can make a site preforming this well. Also, GREAT info about your sites winding up #2-#5. We would all like to be sitting at #1 but if we don't make it there, don't worry. Positions 2-5 shouuld still earn you some clicks.

Thanks Jacob, I did see the Clickbump thread, I was just wondering if there was anything with more detailed step by step instructions. I will read through it again and have a go. I have spent a lot of time on some of my sites - too much time doing backlinking etc. but still not ranking where I'd like them to.

Sheryl - I am hoping that eventually I will be able to write a step-by-step systme myself that anyone can follow to get their feet wet in adsense. Stay tuned.

Yeah...there aren't any really detailed step by step instructions...but it sounds like you already know what you're doing pretty well. I think two key things that I have seen Clickbump point out on his thread more than anything else are:
1.) Keep building sites. Don't worry about 1 dancing around, focus on putting another one up.
2.) Keyword Research - Most of the time if you've done good research and landed the exact keyword in the domain you'll start off in a pretty good position.

The goal of Clickbump's method is to land on the first page without backlinks. But, nobody can see the future and whether or not a site is going debut on the first page. That's why this is all about numbers. I've read it several times here when talking about micro-niche adsense websites, "You'll make most of the money off a minority of your sites.

I think there are a lot of uncontrollable factors with micro-niche also. For example I have two micro-niche adsense websites with the same wordpress theme. Same layout and ad placement. Yet, one of the websites has a 20% CTR, while the other one has a 5% CTR. The one with the higher CTR is the comforter niche, the lower CTR is a piece of deli equipment. Obviously people shopping for comforters...or home and garden stuff are more likely to click on adsense than butchers.

Anyway, I'd say the most important part is to keep putting up websites. I aim for 2 per week. I've got it down to a T and I can get these sites up in 1 hour each. Not all of my new sites debut on page 1 of Google, but some of them have...and they continue to earn without any maintenance...to this day. The one's that don't start out on page 1, I add into my backlinking campaigns. If you consistently backlink these sites...eventually they will rise. It may take awhile to see some results...but if you stay consistent, you will see results.

Wow Jacob! Awesome info!

More on my sites progress later. As a hint, I am going to need to heed 4morereferrals, Wayfatwhitey, Jacob's and advice and start backlinking these bad boys. SERPS are kickin' my butt, lol.

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tijay

14 years ago

Alright, so I am getting my arse kicked right now in the SERPS, lol.

I thought that I would be able rank highly in the SERPS with very little effort if I selected the proper keyword with the proper "SEO factors". When that didn't work, I thought that I would just bully the SERPS by profile backlinking.

This was going pretty well with Site #3 because I had made it all the way to position #3 in the SERPS. Then google adjusted it's index and that booted me all the way to #7 (right now I don't have a site that is higher than #7 in the SERPS). I have been getting the occasional click on that site, but nothing that is consistent. I've got one more trick up my sleeve for site #3 and we'll see if it makes any difference.

So, I've put my other 40 sites on hold for now to make sure that I can move my current 10 sites up the SERPS. At least 5 or below if fine for me.

On another note, I am attempting to move these sites up the SERPS using profile links. It is becoming a real BEAR trying to index these types of links. I used to be able to simply run these through bit.ly and make a post on identi.ca and viola, indexed. Now a days it is much harder, at least for me it has been. Currently, I am using backlink booster and a few links are getting indexed but not many in my opinion. If anyone out there has an indexing formula, I'm all ears.

So that's it for now. I am going to run some experiments on the first 10 sites that I have put up and attempt to move these up the SERPS.

Also, hopefully I am going to watch Duke get their butts kicked tonight. I doubt it happens though.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tijay

Alright, so I am getting my arse kicked right now in the SERPS, lol.

I thought that I would be able rank highly in the SERPS with very little effort if I selected the proper keyword with the proper "SEO factors". When that didn't work, I thought that I would just bully the SERPS by profile backlinking.

This was going pretty well with Site #3 because I had made it all the way to position #3 in the SERPS. Then google adjusted it's index and that booted me all the way to #7 (right now I don't have a site that is higher than #7 in the SERPS). I have been getting the occasional click on that site, but nothing that is consistent. I've got one more trick up my sleeve for site #3 and we'll see if it makes any difference.

So, I've put my other 40 sites on hold for now to make sure that I can move my current 10 sites up the SERPS. At least 5 or below if fine for me.

On another note, I am attempting to move these sites up the SERPS using profile links. It is becoming a real BEAR trying to index these types of links. I used to be able to simply run these through bit.ly and make a post on identi.ca and viola, indexed. Now a days it is much harder, at least for me it has been. Currently, I am using backlink booster and a few links are getting indexed but not many in my opinion. If anyone out there has an indexing formula, I'm all ears.

So that's it for now. I am going to run some experiments on the first 10 sites that I have put up and attempt to move these up the SERPS.

Also, hopefully I am going to watch Duke get their butts kicked tonight. I doubt it happens though.

TiJay

Alright, here is what I suggest and what's been working fairly well for me. Set up backlink booster with as many of the web 2.0's as you can and make sure its setup to direct post to ping.fm. Alright, now, make a new ping.fm account. Sign up for as many profiles as you can on this secondary ping.fm site. Go to twitterfeed and setup the posting that way via your backlink booster rss feed. Now you've got 2 sets of 30 web 2.0 profiles linking to your backlinks. Been working really well for me and it only took about an extra two hours to setup.

After that, thats all I do. Move on as quickly as possible and it won't matter if a few here and there don't get indexed.

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mrmut

14 years ago

hey jacob

What are your numbers base on adsense/clickbump site. How many have you done. and what is your % of winners.

I agree with you about the number game.

I have setup 25 sites. 13 are index and out of those 5 are bring in $ everyday.

I not making alot of $ but moving the right way.. keep putting up sits hoping to break the $50 per day goal.

thanks for the input and i am open for any questions.

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Jacob Martus

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mrmut

hey jacob

What are your numbers base on adsense/clickbump site. How many have you done. and what is your % of winners.

I agree with you about the number game.

I have setup 25 sites. 13 are index and out of those 5 are bring in $ everyday.

I not making alot of $ but moving the right way.. keep putting up sits hoping to break the $50 per day goal.

thanks for the input and i am open for any questions.

Good Luck

You've got more sites than me. I've got 13. One of them is an amazon geared website and it earns the most of all my sites. Consistently $10 to $20 per day. Next, I have a bunch of micro-niche adsense websites. I have about 4 duds. They earn anywhere from 0 to $1.50 per day...usually around 30 cents per day to 0.

I have two star performing micro-niche adsense websites. One of them has a low cpc, like 20 cents per click but I get a good 20 or 30 clicks per day on it. The next is a 12,100 exact match local search with a $0.90 -$4.50 PPC on Spyfu. I'm in the #5 position and rising. Right now...the site is earning around $10 consistently per day. When it gets to #1, it will be much more! It's gonna be a long while before I get it to number 1 though...if ever.

The rest of my sites are newer and are just starting to rank. They earn some days and some days they dont. Off 11 micro-niche adsense websites I am making anywhere from $18 to $30 per day...just depending on the day.

Rather than focus on how each of my websites are doing daily, I just focus on putting up more sites. I always remind myself that if I have 100 websites with this kind of research I'm bound to be making some decent cash.

I am however getting more and more selective with niche research. I picked up a couple real duds with some good stats but just wasn't the right niche. Sometimes even if all the right factors are there: search volume, domain, low competition, decent CPC, you will still hit that niche that just doesn't have "clickers". Don't get down about it...just move on. Oh well, $10 bucks...and after a year...that dud of a site will probably even pay for itself.

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Sheryl Polomka

14 years ago

If you found a keyword phrase that met the allinurl and allintitle requirements and had a CPC of $17.07 but...... it only has 880 searches a month. Would you do it considering it has such a high CPC?

I also found one with $16.19 and 1600 searches per month - meets all other criteria. Is it worth giving a go do you think or just too low in searches?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka

If you found a keyword phrase that met the allinurl and allintitle requirements and had a CPC of $17.07 but...... it only has 880 searches a month. Would you do it considering it has such a high CPC?

I also found one with $16.19 and 1600 searches per month - meets all other criteria. Is it worth giving a go do you think or just too low in searches?

With a term like this its all about whether or not you think you can get the #1 spot. #8 or even #5 ain't gonna cut it with these kind of keywords. I might actually go after the second one with 1600 searches...depending on if the domain was available and if I was really in it for the long haul. You can bet your ass there are websites competing for that keyword. If people are paying $17 bucks for it...you can be there are people paying SEOS to rank their site for it as well.

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Sheryl Polomka

14 years ago

No worries - thanks Jacob - looking again the first one would be difficult to get top position. The 1600 one I see there is already a clickbump type site on the first page so I'll let that one go too

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mrmut

14 years ago

Thanks for the info. I guess we are in the same boat. Keep putting up sites and you see the numbers start adding up.

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Sheryl Polomka

14 years ago

Another question for anyone that would be kind enough to answer

Do you change the colors of your adsense ads to blend in with your site or do you use the standard 0000ff blue title?

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Marko Vel

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka

Another question for anyone that would be kind enough to answer

Do you change the colors of your adsense ads to blend in with your site or do you use the standard 0000ff blue title?

2 years ago I often changed colors, experiment, and at least I did not get more clicks on it. Now I have some blogs and ads in color of that blog, but mostly I was in default.

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tijay

14 years ago

I asked Jacob in a PM if he could explain the process of getting profile links indexed using backlink booster, ping.fm and twitterfeed. This information I think has been published elsewhere on this forum but I thought I would include it again here in this thread. Here are the instructions that he sent me:

Jacob Martus:

In the backlink booster setup it explains how to use twitterfeed. I'll do my best to explain it for you now though.

1.) Go to twitterfeed.com and sign up.
2.) Click Create New Feed
3.) Make up a name for this feed
4.) Put in your backlink booster RSS feed URL
5.) Click advanced settings
6.) Under update frequency put it to 5 updates per hour
7.) Click continue to step 2
8.) On step 2 click on ping.fm
9.) Put in your ping.fm application key (there is link from that page to get it) MAKE SURE ITS TO YOUR SECONDARY ACCOUNT, NOT YOUR PRIMARY.
10.) Click "Get Available Methods"
11.) Under available methods click, "Blog."
12.) Click Create Service
13.) Click All done!

Ok, so now you've got twitterfeed set up to post 5 updates per hour to your secondary ping.fm account. Now, every hour 5 links will be pulled from your backlink booster feed and posted to your secondary ping.fm account.

You will need to rinse and repeat the steps above and do a setup for "micro-blogs" as well to cover all of the ping.fm websites. Same exact thing you did above except in step #11 under available methods click "Micro-blogs"

Once it's all setup you can forget it. Boost some backlinks...wait and hour and check one of your secondary ping.fm web 2.0 accounts to make sure your backlinks were posted by twitterfeed. Make sure to give it an hour or so because twitterfeed only makes posts once per hour..and they do it when they want during that hour. So if you don't see any of your backlinks showing up on your secondary ping.fm accounts give it an hour or so before you go back and make sure everything at twitterfeed is set up right.

So, you've got your backlink booster feed direct posting links to your primary ping.fm account. Now, twitterfeed will pull your backlink booster rss feed and post to your secondary ping.fm accounts.

Thanks for the tutorial Jacob. Hopefully this will help someone out as much as it has helped me.

TiJay

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tijay 14 years ago

UPDATE

So it looks like I have found my first winner within my first 10 sites. Site #6 has jumped in the SERPS up to #5 and has been pulling in decent earnings ($2/day) over the past week or two. This goes to show you that Jacob was right in saying that you really don't need to be in the #1 position to make decent earnings from these sites.

What I will do now is expand on this site with a few more related articles and get those articles ranked for their main keywords.

Just to reiterate, here are details behind selecting site #6:
Niche #6 (home furniture)
1. Exact phrase - 3600
2. CPC - $1.50
3. Allinurl - 100+
4. Allintitle - 300+
5. Allinanchor - 8,000+
6. Exact match domain - .NET
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7. XSP site
8. Double kw in title
9. keyword density = 5.0%
10. Backlinks - 2 EZA, 50 profile links

I attempted to expand site #3 by adding 10 more articles loosely related to the micro niche. That site is currently google dancing until the algo figures out where to place it, now that there is new info on the site. This site has been out of the SERPS for about 3 days now. Hopefully once the smoke clears this site will be ranked higher than where it was originally ranked.

Also, there is a very well written WSO out there on how to do keyword research. I would recommend that anyone who is attempting to find micro niches buy this WSO. It is only about 9 pages I think and it is very well done. I have used the technique in this book to find 2 or 3 more micro niches with more than 4000 exact match searches. And I found them pretty quickly too

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...liate_id=54749

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- wolfmmiii 14 years ago
  
  Agreed. However, the difference between #1 and anything else can be night and day. I have about 15 of my personal sites now ranking on the first page of Google for targeted keywords and I'm doing well.
  
  I'm about to deploy my own backlinking services to them so I fully expect to see them jump into the top 1-3 spots as in the coming days/weeks.
  
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  2stayhome 14 years ago
  
  I built a good many one- to five-page sites last year but didn't do enough marketing when I first put them up - Big Mistake #1. I then spent a couple of months this year going back to those to do some marketing and they all tanked at the same time - Big Mistake #2. But I did learn from my experiences.
  
  Build a site, do your promotion, and move on. Come back in several months for a review. If it's earning you money, build it out and promote some more. If it's not doing anything then just ignore it. If it pops later you can give it some attention but if nothing happens just dump it or let it ride. Don't waste time on the non-performers because they usually can't be salvaged.
  
  In the review I've been doing of all my sites recently I've noticed two things. Age and size matter to Google. About every six months I usually notice a bump in the amount I'm getting per click across my various sites. And the larger sites seem to fare much better on a per click basis but I can't explain why.
  
  So the micro sites are a good way to start and test out a niche but if they start producing then expanding them will get you lots of Google love in many ways.
  
  Good luck on your journey!
  
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gubwell12

14 years ago

You should spend more time building quality backlinks from Article directories instead of adding more website without any traffic to previous websites.

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tijay 14 years ago

UPDATE

So Site #3 is finished google dancing and the results are great. The site has jumped from #7 in the SERPS to #3 which is excellent. This sort of proves what I was thinking and what 2stayhome hinted at above which is a 1 page site may not get as much "respect" from google than a site with more pages. All I did with Site #3 is add more content and BOOM, it climbed 4 spots.

So that is the good news. The bad news is that I am not getting the clicks I think I should. So I took a look at my description and it turns out it stinks. I fixed the description and submitted another EZA. Hopefully google will pick up the changes once the EZA goes live and we'll see if I can start getting some more clicks.

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misterkailo

14 years ago

So this person quit already? These "follow me as I try to make a million XFactor sites" never last more than a few weeks lol!

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tijay

14 years ago

Didn't quit misterkailo. Just doing more testing. What I was doing wasn't working as well as I expected so I am trying to see how adding more pages to my sites will affect the rankings.

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misterkailo

14 years ago

The quantity of pages wouldn't boost you up for your main keyword unless those pages are getting link juice from somewhere else to pass it onto your homepage. The XFactor guide pretty much tells you everything you need to do to rank high... proper H1 tags, title tag, exact keyword domains, etc.

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tijay

14 years ago

misterkailo, well on more than one of my sites, I have noticed a jump in the SERPS when simply increasing the number of articles from 1 to 10 with no other SEO done to the site. This is why I am testing to see if this was a fluke or there is real substance behind it.

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misterkailo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tijay

misterkailo, well on more than one of my sites, I have noticed a jump in the SERPS when simply increasing the number of articles from 1 to 10 with no other SEO done to the site. This is why I am testing to see if this was a fluke or there is real substance behind it.

After having more than 100 sites, I can tell you that is just a fluke..

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evertd

14 years ago

Adding more pages might have an influence on your main page if they all link to your main page as part of well structured on site linking. But there are tons of places to get links other than EZA; just search for free blogs, loads of sites allow you to create blogs where you can drop spun articles and links.

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tijay 14 years ago

LAST UPDATE

I have been getting a few PM's about the progress of my sites and I thought I should update it for the last time.

As many of you know, there was a google slap that happened in the form of the May Day update. Many people who had Xfactor type sites were effected by this. Amazingly, the sites that I built were not effected that much by the update. A few that were ranked in the top 3 may have dropped a little in the SERPS but eventually the ranking returned.

But the May Day update is not really why I stopped updating the thread. I started to read that people's adsense accts were taking hits from manual updates. The forum threads that I read said that after they reached $100/day, there was a manual review and many people were getting many of their sites deindexed and some of them getting their accts taken. Needless to say this worried me.

It was not the fact that I was anywhere near the $100/day mark because I wasn't. It was the fact what if I do all this work, eventually get to that mark (however long it would take me) and then some reviewer comes along and poof, it's all gone down the toilet.

Anyway, I stopped promoting my sites, backlinking them and on many of them I have stripped off the adsense. I am going to start over with these micro niche sites with a new strategy that hopefully will get me past the manual review phase. Who am I kidding though, no one really knows what they are looking for. Here is my plan going fwd for my next batch of micro niche sites:

1. Change themes - moving away from the classic theme
2. Add more content for visitors (and hopefully the reviewer)
3. Add another monetization stream (CJ, Amazon, etc.)
4. Add video(s) (Youtube)
5. Add autoresponder (Aweber)

I figure this will make the site look much more legit and when I finally do get to that $100/day mark, hopefully I will pass the test. I am not going to be worried so much with CTR and things of that nature. I just want to rank well, get visitors and if they click on my ads, that's great.

Just in case you are wondering, here are the results of the experiment as far as ranking is concerned:

Site#1 - #1 ___ Site#6 - #4
Site#2 - #9 ___ Site#7 - #9
Site#3 - #1 ___ Site#8 - #5
Site#4 - #10 __ Site#9 - #16
Site#5 - #6 ___ Site#10 - #6

I think things went pretty well with the sites, even after the May Day update. I think the top earner of the sites was Sites #6 which made about $230 (a little over $2/day) total.

Anyway, that's all I got. If you are into experiments like this one, check out my signature. I have a new site set up where I will be doing experiments like this one and sharing the results with anyone who is interested. The site will be sort of an "As I learn, you learn" type of site.

Also, I plan on setting up a list where I may sell off some of the micro niche sites from this experiment. I may do flippa, not really sure yet. As soon as I get my aweber set up, I will be adding that to the site.

Good luck to you all. Hope to see you on the site in my sig.

TiJay
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tijay

14 years ago

If there is anyone out there having trouble finding good micro niche exact match domains, I have a free WSO discussing my technique I use to find them. Check out my signature for more information.

Here are a few of the stats of the domains I show you in the report:

(.net, .org available)
2900 exact/mo.

(.net, .org available)
2900 exact/mo.

(.net, .org available)
1300 exact/mo.

(.net, .org available)
1000 exact/mo.

(.org available)
3600 exact/mo.

(.org available)
1600 exact/mo.

(.net available)
3600 exact/mo.

(.org available)
1600 exact/mo.

(.org available)
1900 exact/mo.

(.net, .org available)
1600 exact/mo.

(.com, .net, .org available)
1300 exact/mo.

First come first serve on those.

The report is very short and to the point. Only 2 pages of real content. Check it out and let me know what you think.

TiJay

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Chris Stigson

14 years ago

You guys who are serious about this, should keep going, but instead of doing 1-2 EZA article only, just submit the same 2 articles to SubmitYourArticle.com and it will get you ranked SUPER EASY.... then try UniqueArticleWizard.com, Seolinkvine.com, articlemarketingautomation.com too. 1-3 articles in those will get your site ranked guaranteed in a few weeks... I hire a guy to do 2 articles in SYA for each site I build making my total investment per site $15 or so... Really nice and works so far =)

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Suka

14 years ago

I am on site number 5 and im already making $2 per day

just a matter of rinse and repeat..

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valiantbearded

13 years ago

I use my # 4 CMS test site cucats. I already had some problems, and cucat e-mail. He is very fast via e-mail me back, what should I do. I try for him when I finished putting up the site.

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