A Good Backlinking Strategy

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I have reason to believe that most of the Angela/Pauls and other link "packets" are really not effective anymore - in fact may even be hurting your rankings.

A good strategy:

For a keyword close or related to your own niche:

1) You go on Google and enter the keyword and check the sites coming up on top for this keyword.

2) Ignore any "big" sites like wikipedia etc. but take note of the "smaller" sites which made it to the top in Google for the keyword

3) Now go on Link Diagnosis - examine your link competition and enter that website and analyze their backlinks. There is a column "link strength" which you should look at too. See where those sites have backlinks.

4) Do the same for your site


5) Profit


Note: I would recommend not to over-do it. This means:
Do NOT leave MANY, MANY links in short time. Do NOT only leave links on high PR sites. If you have a new site it would look weird if you would gain several PR5+ links in a couple of days.

Start with a bunch of PR1, PR2....then later on get higher PR, things like that.

I think this is a good alternative to "brute force" mass backlinking with profiles...the advantage is also you can get an idea about link quality on linkdiagnosis.com

Nothing new, but if you didnt do it already you might want to try this.

Cheers,

G.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

    I have reason to believe that most of the Angela/Pauls and other link "packets" are really not effective anymore - in fact may even be hurting your rankings.
    They still work, but you can't just rely on one type of links. Google seems to implement some kind of filter to effectively remove profile spam, mixing links will be the way to go!

    For EZA and other high PR authority sites, they seems to work even I don't mix those links.

    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post


    Note: I would recommend not to over-do it. This means:
    Do NOT leave MANY, MANY links in short time. Do NOT only leave links on high PR sites. If you have a new site it would look weird if you would gain several PR5+ links in a couple of days.

    Start with a bunch of PR1, PR2....then later on get higher PR, things like that.

    I think this is a good alternative to "brute force" mass backlinking with profiles...the advantage is also you can get an idea about link quality on linkdiagnosis.com

    Nothing new, but if you didnt do it already you might want to try this.

    Cheers,

    G.
    I usually go with tons of high PR backlinks to get "trust" rank from Google, then mixing it with all kinds of links, the more variety the better, even with different PR links!

    Mixing seems to work well for me, even if I send thousands of links to my new site, it still rank high. Usually in 2 months my site will be stabilized and rank high for my targeted keywords.

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  • Profile picture of the author kenbuch
    Thanks for all the wonderful information's
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  • Profile picture of the author neno
    Thanks GeorgR. for this tip. Actually this was the method I used to practice 3 years back. Searching for good websites related to my theme and sending them link request manually. But slowly many new strategy came up and dominated the link building market. Everyone started using them heavily and for spammers these techniques were a boon as these can be deformed using bots or certain softwares.

    However the technique you mentioned needs a lot of work and it provides best quality backlinks. These backlinks come from good quality websites closely related to theme of our website and hence are authority backlinks according to Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    The best long term strategy ever - link bait + good content!

    To really gain authority, highly relevant backlinks - try guest posting. You can easily find tons of related blog to post your good content and link back to your site - those are the best quality backlinks. If your post is good enough, you also get a lot of targeted traffic!

    I love white hat, but not easy to master. Once you are very good with it, you won't have to worry about Google algorithm changes - because you are using the one Google most preferred way to send you traffic!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
    Personally, I wouldn't trust some software/site to give you an accurate idea of what the particular strength of any particular link is. The software/site should give you relevant data so you can make your own determinations.

    For instance, SEO Spyglass is an awesome tool, but their link strength value is utter garbage as they use what they think is the value of the link, which may or may not be true.

    As for profile links not being effective any more, who says?

    I have a 1 post duped content WP blog (3 months old) that is currently sitting at #18 for me in Google for the search: backlinks. Plus the inner page (which I do almost all my linking to) went from PRNA to PR5 in yesterday's PR update. How many pages do you have on 3 month old domains with a PR of 5?:rolleyes:



    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

    I have reason to believe that most of the Angela/Pauls and other link "packets" are really not effective anymore - in fact may even be hurting your rankings.

    A good strategy:

    For a keyword close or related to your own niche:

    1) You go on Google and enter the keyword and check the sites coming up on top for this keyword.

    2) Ignore any "big" sites like wikipedia etc. but take note of the "smaller" sites which made it to the top in Google for the keyword

    3) Now go on Link Diagnosis - examine your link competition and enter that website and analyze their backlinks. There is a column "link strength" which you should look at too. See where those sites have backlinks.

    4) Do the same for your site


    5) Profit


    Note: I would recommend not to over-do it. This means:
    Do NOT leave MANY, MANY links in short time. Do NOT only leave links on high PR sites. If you have a new site it would look weird if you would gain several PR5+ links in a couple of days.

    Start with a bunch of PR1, PR2....then later on get higher PR, things like that.

    I think this is a good alternative to "brute force" mass backlinking with profiles...the advantage is also you can get an idea about link quality on linkdiagnosis.com

    Nothing new, but if you didnt do it already you might want to try this.

    Cheers,

    G.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

      For instance, SEO Spyglass is an awesome tool, but their link strength value is utter garbage as they use what they think is the value of the link, which may or may not be true.
      i know that the SEO Spyglass' algo is garbage, the linkdiagnosis algo is MUCH better in calculating link strength!
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  • Profile picture of the author tijay
    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

    I have reason to believe that most of the Angela/Pauls and other link "packets" are really not effective anymore - in fact may even be hurting your rankings.
    Hmmm, how is it even possible that using Angela's packets can hurt your rankings?

    I can't see any 1-way link hurting anyone's rankings. If that were the case, anyone could just sign up for Angela's links and include a competitors link when completing them.

    Please explain if possible.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
    Why would you think that profile links are "ineffective" or could "hurt your rankings"?
    I would love to be enlightened on your reasons for believing this?
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by Embions View Post

      Why would you think that profile links are "ineffective" or could "hurt your rankings"?
      I would love to be enlightened on your reasons for believing this?
      Because i had some site penalized which had TOP google rankings for over a year...i didnt do anything else than use the typical paul/angelas one day...and whoops! i got a whopping 3 months penalty where the site dropped WAY back in Google.

      The penalty is over again, but understand i am scared now to even TOUCH the site, scared it might sink again in rankings. Thats why i dont want to use those packets anymore.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

        Because i had some site penalized which had TOP google rankings for over a year...i didnt do anything else than use the typical paul/angelas one day...and whoops! i got a whopping 3 months penalty where the site dropped WAY back in Google.

        The penalty is over again, but understand i am scared now to even TOUCH the site, scared it might sink again in rankings. Thats why i dont want to use those packets anymore.
        Out of curiousity, did you continue to backlink the site when it dropped back? Based upon your note about scaring to touch the site it sounds like you laid off from the site. IMHO one of the biggest mistakes people do with backlinks is stop backlinking when the sites drop back. You should be continuing building backlinks at that point. From the given facts I don't think I would say there was a "penalty", but to each their own.

        A similar situation happens with microniche adsense sites for many people around here. If you pick the right domain and keyword, you can sometimes rank at the bottom of page one or at least the top of page 2 with zero backlinks with proper onpage SEO and a exact domain match domain. They build backlinks and guess what? It disappears for awhile (sometimes a short period, sometimes a longer period). But then it comes back stronger. Some people are scared to build backlinks to their site for that very reason. It is very short-sighted in my opinion, yet people still do it.

        I have sites bounce around whenever I do heavy backlinking no matter the type of backlinks. I've had a site drop from the top of page 2 of google to around 400 for about 6-7 weeks. Guess what? The site is now sitting at #1 and has been there for several months.
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      • Profile picture of the author tijay
        Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

        Because i had some site penalized which had TOP google rankings for over a year...i didnt do anything else than use the typical paul/angelas one day...and whoops! i got a whopping 3 months penalty where the site dropped WAY back in Google.

        The penalty is over again, but understand i am scared now to even TOUCH the site, scared it might sink again in rankings. Thats why i dont want to use those packets anymore.
        Sounds like a pure google dance or possibly some sort of google update (caffeine, etc.) IMHO. I still can't see how a 1-way link could hurt your rankings. Maybe that's just me.
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        • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
          Originally Posted by tijay View Post

          Sounds like a pure google dance or possibly some sort of google update (caffeine, etc.) IMHO. I still can't see how a 1-way link could hurt your rankings. Maybe that's just me.
          well that "dance" lasted for pretty much exactly 3 months which is usually a typical Google penalty time, from what i know. I know that sites bounce in rankings, but i never had seen one that extreme and for such a long time. Especially since the site had top spot for a VERY long time, solid liek a rock. I also first thought its simply Google dance which i always see after some linking, but never THAT long...
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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Molano
            Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

            well that "dance" lasted for pretty much exactly 3 months which is usually a typical Google penalty time, from what i know. I know that sites bounce in rankings, but i never had seen one that extreme and for such a long time. Especially since the site had top spot for a VERY long time, solid liek a rock. I also first thought its simply Google dance which i always see after some linking, but never THAT long...
            I'm assuming the PR of the site was 0-2?

            If so, the same thing has happened to me several times, it's due to link quality and link velocity.

            But over PR3 they don't seem to budge that much (normal dancing, 1-2 pages at most).

            It's not actually the PR that determines it, it's the Trust Rank and Authority Rank. But since we don't have those values given to us, we must rely on the PR to have an idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Molano
    George, don't publish that tool, you'll leave us all without jobs.

    But you can actually raise the link strength of Angela type backlinks as well. You just need to boost them.

    Link Strength is essentially a formula that measures the PageRank and the OBL count of backlinks combined. Who says profiles can't have a high one?

    By the way, it's actually a pretty accurate formula, check rankings and compare anchor text link strengths, and you will see the higher a site ranks, the higher link strength it has.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
    I pretty much assumed that this was your reasoning for thinking that these types of links can "harm" your site or have lost their effect. I have to agree with Tom here in that people just seem to push the panic button after their rankings drop after backlinking a new site.

    Now I am no expert but experience has proven to me in the past 3 months that it is nothing to fret over when a site starts dancing after some heavy backlinking. The worst thing you can do IMO is smash on the brakes, I go pedal to the medal and throw everything that I have got at my money pages with no regards for the whole "building to many links to fast" theory and it has not failed me yet.

    Every time a site seems to be lost in the serps I pay it no mind at all and continue building links to it as if nothing has changes and guess what? They always return ranking higher in then before.

    Profile links are indeed still effective if you ask me, especially when boosted properly. Although there are a few better link building methods out there right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author tijay
      Originally Posted by Embions View Post

      Every time a site seems to be lost in the serps I pay it no mind at all and continue building links to it as if nothing has changes and guess what? They always return ranking higher in then before.
      Well said and a HUGE ditto!
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Molano
      Originally Posted by Embions View Post

      I pretty much assumed that this was your reasoning for thinking that these types of links can "harm" your site or have lost their effect. I have to agree with Tom here in that people just seem to push the panic button after their rankings drop after backlinking a new site.

      Now I am no expert but experience has proven to me in the past 3 months that it is nothing to fret over when a site starts dancing after some heavy backlinking. The worst thing you can do IMO is smash on the brakes, I go pedal to the medal and throw everything that I have got at my money pages with no regards for the whole "building to many links to fast" theory and it has not failed me yet.

      Every time a site seems to be lost in the serps I pay it no mind at all and continue building links to it as if nothing has changes and guess what? They always return ranking higher in then before.

      Profile links are indeed still effective if you ask me, especially when boosted properly. Although there are a few better link building methods out there right now.
      I agree on not hitting the break. In fact, the whole "don't build too many backlinks too fast" is an absolute myth.

      But there is, however, a Google patent application called "Link Velocity", which has nothing to do really with how many backlinks a site receives, but rather what types of backlinks and at what speed.

      Which is precisely why new sites or low authority sites (for which the only thing we can count on as measurement is PageRank) often get sandboxed or receive penalties like the one George has described, if the only type of backlink it is receiving is coming from profiles.

      Like I said before, it doesn't seem to affect PR3+ pages as much, but it does affect lower ones quite harshly.

      That's precisely why I would personally recommend high link diversity with new sites until they gain some decent trust and authority.
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      • Profile picture of the author gjedda63
        Several times you are talking about boosting profile links.What is that and how do you do it?
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        • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
          Originally Posted by gjedda63 View Post

          Several times you are talking about boosting profile links.What is that and how do you do it?

          WSO for Backlinks Index Express
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        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
          Originally Posted by gjedda63 View Post

          Several times you are talking about boosting profile links.What is that and how do you do it?
          Let me answer this question for Daniel, if anything wrong, feel free to correct it!

          Based on my understanding what Daniel is saying here -

          Profile page with PR 3 or below seems to hit a lot of Google's filter and not easy to be counted as backlink to your page.

          That's why boosting those links to PR 3 and above makes it "trust" worthy to Google and carries much more link juice to a page, hence you need a lot less to rank for your targeted keyword. (Please correct me if I'm wrong - Daniel)

          To boost your link, you can use backlink booster or any similar tools that utilize ping.fm and bookmarking scripts to add backlinks to your backlink!

          Daniel even suggested to use XRumer to your backlinks, it won't hurt your site, but able to boost your backlinks for more link juice.

          I think the key to backlink boosting is - mass automation. Anyone know any tools that will boost my list of links' report from my link builder? I mean I just have to upload the list of links, and it will auto boost it?

          For me, Google seems to trust backlinks from Domain PR 4 and above, that's why I don't really bother to boost those links even if they are PR N/A. As we all know, Google toolbar will not show actual pagerank until next update.

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          • Profile picture of the author Daniel Molano
            Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

            Let me answer this question for Daniel, if anything wrong, feel free to correct it!

            ...

            For me, Google seems to trust backlinks from Domain PR 4 and above, that's why I don't really bother to boost those links even if they are PR N/A. As we all know, Google toolbar will not show actual pagerank until next update.

            Kok Choon
            You got it half right.

            When I spoke about PR3, I was referring to the authority and trust your own site has, not about external backlinks. It short, it will dance less.

            As for the page PR of backlinks (page PR, not domain PR). Anything above 2 is great if it has a low OBL count.
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            • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
              Originally Posted by Daniel Molano View Post

              You got it half right.

              When I spoke about PR3, I was referring to the authority and trust your own site has, not about external backlinks. It short, it will dance less.

              As for the page PR of backlinks (page PR, not domain PR). Anything above 2 is great if it has a low OBL count.
              This make sense, thanks for clearing things up!

              I hope you had a course to teach about effective ways to boost your link to PR 2...

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Daniel its a pleasure having you posting again especially since its rare to see anyone understand trust and authority not synonymous with PR ( although a relationship exists).

        I share the same view and as i have said before there is the flaw in the argument that if you could get in trouble backlinking you could hurt your competitor. You'd only be targeting someone who has ranked and has developed their metrics So that they already have factors that would protect them - things that a new site or one that isn't ranking do not have.

        I've tried to explain this before. Its not merely the speed in which you backlink. Its the kinds of links that you HAVE to use to backlink fast. The bots employed need sites with a fairly distinguishable footprint and very little variety.


        Originally Posted by Daniel Molano View Post

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        But there is, however, a Google patent application called "Link Velocity", which has nothing to do really with how many backlinks a site receives, but rather what types of backlinks and at what speed.

        Which is precisely why new sites or low authority sites (for which the only thing we can count on as measurement is PageRank) often get sandboxed or receive penalties like the one George has described, if the only type of backlink it is receiving is coming from profiles.

        Like I said before, it doesn't seem to affect PR3+ pages as much, but it does affect lower ones quite harshly.

        Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

        Here is an example of a public blog but a blocked profile

        I guess Embions deserves some big time credit for bringing this to light, at least for me. Always learning new tricks.

        Now lets let this trick slip off into the depths of the WF archives so it's not abused too much.
        It doesn't stand to be because the down side of Vbulletin 4 is that they have gone to extra length to make sure most outbound links are nofollow by default.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
      Originally Posted by Embions View Post

      Although there are a few better link building methods out there right now.
      Care to share?
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
        Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson View Post

        Care to share?
        Sure, but keep in mind that I am merely stating what has been working for me. There are actually two methods that I have been using and getting some pretty decent results from as of late.

        I would imagine that we can all agree that links within content on high pr pages are to be coveted far more than profile links are. Well there are actually several ways to go about getting these links for free. There are several different softwares and/or services that online communities are built on these days that are vulnerable to manipulation where you can change or edit someone else's content and place your links. Similar to the way people have abused Wikipedia for years. The key is to find these types of platforms/services that communities or blogs are built on that can be used in such a way. Google Knol, Viviti for instance. You just find a high Pr Knol or Blog, and then place your links on it.

        This can be done on a mass scale if you take your time to find the right footprints for finding platforms that can be manipulated in such a way which believe me, there are plenty.

        The other method that I have been using is to simply create blogs on very high PR domains as opposed to profile links. It is basically the same thing as profile link building but it has the advantage of being able to place your links inside of content stuffed with LSI keywords which makes the links appear to be more relevant. I know people say that relevancy doesn't matter, which I agree with to an extent. I dont think that it is the relevancy of the actual site that matters but the page more so.

        If you have a good content spinner this can be done with ease and there are endless high PR sites to place your 150-200 word article at.Most Vbelletin forums allow for users to create blogs and I have been trying it on quite a few with a bit of success. The possibilities are truly endless with this method and when boosted these make for some very good links.

        The real power though IMO is in the boosting of the links that you are building using any method. I have taken backlink boosting to the extreme as of late especially since BIE has no license restrictions. Cringwall advises to use the randomize feature with his script but I do the exact opposite. I have 11 installs of BIE plus BLB installed on one domain and every link gets sent out to 85 different sites. I don't really understand why he believes this would be a bad idea but it has been working just fine for me. I have also not experienced the banning of any accounts that everyone else talks about. I am only building between 250-300 links per day though so compared to some more advanced link builders this may be just a drop in the bucket which might explain why.

        Add to that the fact that I have been consistently backlinking all of my Ping.fm accounts via scrapebox these blog post links have been getting indexed really fast and I am thinking of making this more of a core strategy since my building profile links can be automated.

        P.S. I ran a pr check on a few of my ping.fm accounts last night and 2 of my vox accounts and a type pad blog ---> PR 1! All from blogengine comments!
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wilson
          Great post, Thanks a lot!

          I had not thought of the blog option on forums before so will definitely try that.

          When you edit a Knol or Wiki page do you add an article with your link embedded to on topic blogs? Are they generally heavily moderated? do they stick?

          I think I will buy BIE. I have been using BLB but I like the option of free extra licenses.

          Thanks again, I'm always looking for new backlinking ideas

          Originally Posted by Embions View Post

          Sure, but keep in mind that I am merely stating what has been working for me. There are actually two methods that I have been using and getting some pretty decent results from as of late.

          I would imagine that we can all agree that links within content on high pr pages are to be coveted far more than profile links are. Well there are actually several ways to go about getting these links for free. There are several different softwares and/or services that online communities are built on these days that are vulnerable to manipulation where you can change or edit someone else's content and place your links. Similar to the way people have abused Wikipedia for years. The key is to find these types of platforms/services that communities or blogs are built on that can be used in such a way. Google Knol, Viviti for instance. You just find a high Pr Knol or Blog, and then place your links on it.

          This can be done on a mass scale if you take your time to find the right footprints for finding platforms that can be manipulated in such a way which believe me, there are plenty.

          The other method that I have been using is to simply create blogs on very high PR domains as opposed to profile links. It is basically the same thing as profile link building but it has the advantage of being able to place your links inside of content stuffed with LSI keywords which makes the links appear to be more relevant. I know people say that relevancy doesn't matter, which I agree with to an extent. I dont think that it is the relevancy of the actual site that matters but the page more so.

          If you have a good content spinner this can be done with ease and there are endless high PR sites to place your 150-200 word article at.Most Vbelletin forums allow for users to create blogs and I have been trying it on quite a few with a bit of success. The possibilities are truly endless with this method and when boosted these make for some very good links.

          The real power though IMO is in the boosting of the links that you are building using any method. I have taken backlink boosting to the extreme as of late especially since BIE has no license restrictions. Cringwall advises to use the randomize feature with his script but I do the exact opposite. I have 11 installs of BIE plus BLB installed on one domain and every link gets sent out to 85 different sites. I don't really understand why he believes this would be a bad idea but it has been working just fine for me. I have also not experienced the banning of any accounts that everyone else talks about. I am only building between 250-300 links per day though so compared to some more advanced link builders this may be just a drop in the bucket which might explain why.

          Add to that the fact that I have been consistently backlinking all of my Ping.fm accounts via scrapebox these blog post links have been getting indexed really fast and I am thinking of making this more of a core strategy since my building profile links can be automated.

          P.S. I ran a pr check on a few of my ping.fm accounts last night and 2 of my vox accounts and a type pad blog ---> PR 1! All from blogengine comments!
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  • Profile picture of the author webdango
    I remain unconvinced that inbound links can hurt you. Not hetlp, yes, but hurt, no.

    If that were the case, we would all be building links to our competitors in order to get them de-ranked.

    I wish it were as easy to knock off number 1 as simply building a link wheel to the site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Molano
      Originally Posted by webdango View Post

      I remain unconvinced that inbound links can hurt you. Not hetlp, yes, but hurt, no.

      If that were the case, we would all be building links to our competitors in order to get them de-ranked.

      I wish it were as easy to knock off number 1 as simply building a link wheel to the site.
      You can do so with low authority sites, but that's all I am going to say.
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  • Profile picture of the author NickNalin
    Thanks for the wonderful tip George. However, I am sure that Angla's packets are still useful, I am able to increase my SERP using it. I had done it last week only. We cannot ignore it, Along with that we can use your approach too. That will be great.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
    I do not always use Google Knols seeing as how they are all the same IP, I was merely using them as an example. There are quite a few different softwares that online community based websites use which allow for the creation of Wiki pages. These wikis can be edited by any member of the community. When I edit a page I am not looking for relevancy, only PR4+. When I go in to do my editing I usually edit only the line where my link will be placed. Most of the time I don't even change the persons article, I just add an extra sentence with my link.If I cant find a wiki on a high PR site then I create my own, plus I leave a link in profile and a lot of the sites also have bookmark pages for each user to bookmark their favorite sites so I use that to.

    As far as moderation goes. No, these pages are not moderated at all. I don't even think that the people who wrote the articles are aware that it has gained a high PR and I am not sure how the pages even get to the point of being PR4+ without backlinks? Beats me..

    Anyhow they do stick and provide a great amount of link juice, especially after being added to BLB/BIE.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Embions View Post

      . These wikis can be edited by any member of the community. When I edit a page I am not looking for relevancy, only PR4+. When I go in to do my editing I usually edit only the line where my link will be placed. Most of the time I don't even change the persons article, I just add an extra sentence with my link.
      First off the positive. Creating blogs within a community has always been a good idea as I and other have pointed to before the good profiles of some sites have all kinds of other opportunities than the profile signature link itself. Like you said there are many of those

      But hold up on this strategy - Whats that?

      You place links without regard to relevance on articles that you didn't write or contribute to and you think that is a good strategy? You have gotten thanks from the any spam goes crowd but this is no good long term way of building links.

      A) You can't possibly know the links would stick as you allege. You merely luck out when some aren't because any of the original RELEVANT authors would move it the instant they see it. You are begging for a ban and a report of being a link spammer (if you didn't miscommunicate what you do).

      B) if this worked long term then posting links in forum posts would work as well but we all know on most sites that is seen as in your face spamming and removed. Yes some do stick but its a lousy strategy as well.

      C) it destroys your reputation. No ethical site would deface someone elses content just to leave their link. Profile section and signature areas are designed for leaving links and your own personal message. messing with on page content you didn't write is spam at its worse.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        First off the positive. Creating blogs within a community has always been a good idea as I and other have pointed to before the good profiles of some sites have all kinds of other opportunities than the profile signature link itself. Like you said there are many of those

        But hold up on this strategy - Whats that?

        You place links without regard to relevance on articles that you didn't write or contribute to and you think that is a good strategy? You have gotten thanks from the any spam goes crowd but this is no good long term way of building links.

        A) You can't possibly know the links would stick as you allege. You merely luck out when some aren't because any of the original RELEVANT authors would move it the instant they see it. You are begging for a ban and a report of being a link spammer (if you didn't miscommunicate what you do).

        B) if this worked long term then posting links in forum posts would work as well but we all know on most sites that is seen as in your face spamming and removed. Yes some do stick but its a lousy strategy as well.

        C) it destroys your reputation. No ethical site would deface someone elses content just to leave their link. Profile section and signature areas are designed for leaving links and your own personal message. messing with on page content you didn't write is spam at its worse.
        Well first of all Sir, you as everyone else has the right to their own opinion. At the end of the day I really could care less about what another IMer defines as ethical or not and I do what works to get my sites ranking which is what this thread is about if I am not mistaken? What you call spam someone else calls smart marketing.

        A) You can't possibly know the links would stick as you allege. You merely luck out when some aren't because any of the original RELEVANT authors would move it the instant they see it. You are begging for a ban and a report of being a link spammer (if you didn't miscommunicate what you do).
        If I said they stick then that is exactly what I mean. My link report speaks for itself. I find it really funny for you to make statements on what I "couldn't possibly know" "what RELEVANT authors" would do, and that I am "begging for a ban" based soley on your biased opinion. Have you even tried the method before? If not then how can make such statements and even have the audacity to make it sound like everything that you are stating is gospel?:rolleyes:

        B) if this worked long term then posting links in forum posts would work as well but we all know on most sites that is seen as in your face spamming and removed. Yes some do stick but its a lousy strategy as well.
        Says who? You? If you think this is a lousy strategy then tell that to the 30+ forums that I have posted to multiple high pr threads on. All with links in my sig.

        C) it destroys your reputation. No ethical site would deface someone elses content just to leave their link. Profile section and signature areas are designed for leaving links and your own personal message. messing with on page content you didn't write is spam at its worse.
        Again this is your opinion. If you read my post correctly before bashing it then you would have noticed that I said that I don't place importance on the relevancy of the content that I am editing. I did NOT however state that I just go and add a bunch of gibberish or nonsense to the authors article. As anyone who knows me or has spoken with outside of this forum will tell you I am a very big advocate of adding some sort of value to any article, discussion, or blog that I place my link on which is why my links always stick. I for one find it to be well worth my time to do a quick google search to get answer to a question or more info on a subject in order to get a PR4+ link.

        There are two really important lessons that I have learned in my short IM career that should be applied to everything that you do in life.

        1.) It is not WHAT you do, but HOW you do it. Before you write off a particular strategy be sure to test it out for yourself and then draw your own conclusions. You might very well find out that there was nothing wrong with the technique but rather errors on the part of the technician.

        2.) (And this one is for you) It is not about WHAT you say but HOW you say it.

        Good day.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Embions View Post

          Well first of all Sir, you as everyone else has the right to their own opinion. At the end of the day I really could care less about what another IMer defines as ethical or not and I do what works to get my sites ranking which is what this thread is about if I am not mistaken? What you call spam someone else calls smart marketing.
          Standard spammer line. Same thing was said of email marketing which led to it being outlawed. That kind of reasoning is what gives everyone in IM a bad name and loses us all countless sales by drawing the line nowhere. I'll do some things that someone MIGHT call spam but that doesn't mean I am going to stoop to taking someone elses content , that they wrote for another purpose and then exploit their article to put my link on there. Lines got to be drawn somewhere.

          If I said they stick then that is exactly what I mean. My link report speaks for itself
          No you are on a board CLAIMING they all stick. Thats all it speaks. Before you drop the link you can't possible know they will stick and you cannot even claim the ones you CLAIM are sticking will in fact stick tomorrow. Its a spam technique to change existing content someone else wrote to reflect your link and nothing will change that. That being the case common sense tells anyone reading this that at any time the link can and often will be removed. IF anyone of us saw something we wrote changed what would we do? The fact that you add a careful one sentence (your admission) to add a link that you admit you don;t care is relevant doesn't really matter. You see people do that all the time in actual posts (not sigs) and most forum admins remove it.

          Says who? You? If you think this is a lousy strategy then tell that to the 30+ forums that I have posted to multiple high pr threads on. All with links in my sig.
          Sigs have nothing to do with it. The sig area is your content not doctoring up someone elses articles. Even blog commenting is where you are allowed to write content. Its a world away from taking someone else's content work and modifiying just to get a link.

          If you read my post correctly before bashing it then you would have noticed that I said that I don't place importance on the relevancy of the content that I am editing. I did NOT however state that I just go and add a bunch of gibberish or nonsense to the authors article.
          Your words are on you bro. If your link isn't relevant which was YOUR claim then you live and die by your statements. No one is required to understand Italian where you wrote English. :rolleyes:


          There are two really important lessons that I have learned in my short IM career that should be applied to everything that you do in life.
          What you learn is what you do. So I know what they are

          A) Spam at any level
          B) Defend spamming at any level.

          Every thing else is lip service.

          No matter what you say its a garbage technique. if you ever were to rank for anything you would fall off in no time because the nature of links you get like that are due to be removed anytime the authors of the page notice you've defaced their article.

          However we agree on one thing.

          You have a good day too.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Vbelletin forums allow for users to create blogs
    I haven't seen this option before.

    Care to give one away as an example. Save me some time scraping up a vBulletin list to search through.

    *edit* got it. Looks like this might have been a 4.0 upgrade or somethin'

    here is an example of a profile with a blog for your footprint pleasures
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      I haven't seen this option before.

      Care to give one away as an example. Save me some time scraping up a vBulletin list to search through.

      *edit* got it. Looks like this might have been a 4.0 upgrade or somethin'

      here is an example of a profile with a blog for your footprint pleasures
      Hi Jason,

      Thanks for the sample of profile with blog, that's a great example for footprint!

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  • Profile picture of the author the rider
    Angela and paul's backlink will not hurt your ranking in the search engine as i kno,so keep it up as it is one way link building.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    no problem.

    maybe somebody can refine it a little more. I'm in the middle of something else and I don't want to get sidetracked.

    Something along the lines of Powered by vBulletin Version 4 View Blog Entries should do the trick. It's a starting point.

    It also appears that vBulletin sites that block user profiles but allow blogs... the blogs are not blocked. Not sure how long this loophole will survive but it's an additional option.

    Here is an example of a public blog but a blocked profile

    I guess Embions deserves some big time credit for bringing this to light, at least for me. Always learning new tricks.

    Now lets let this trick slip off into the depths of the WF archives so it's not abused too much.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

    I have reason to believe that most of the Angela/Pauls and other link "packets" are really not effective anymore - in fact may even be hurting your rankings..
    I haven't found that. Even one of my test sites that I don't do much profile backlinking on yet went up in PR and has touched the first page (before I tested some other things and it dropped (not backlinks on page changes).

    Look right now the backlinging market is dominated by the idea of quantity over quality. I can tell you right now that there are profile links out there that CANNOT be identified by an algorithm or scraping and just a few of them will cause your site to rise (I saw a PR jump on the just 40 on that test site) in SERPS

    But no one wants to hear about quality. They want to hear of 1,000 and more backlinks much of which don't give you a good bump but SOUND impressive.. We have guys running WSOs for what essentially will become link farms that will vanish one day - but they sell like hotcakes.

    And yes as you suggest the results on these mass submissions are showing up everyday on people wondering what happened to their site and very few being able to rank for anything using them but as far as I can see profile backlinks when mixed work well

    But remember Angela's backlinks when they first came out seldom had forum backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
    It doesn't stand to be because the down side of Vbulletin 4 is that they have gone to extra length to make sure most outbound links are nofollow by default.
    Please note that I was merely using Vbulletin as an example of a software that allows users to create blogs. They are hardly the first platform that I would target using this method.

    There are so many different softwares out there that are wide open to manipulation by its users that finding backlinks is easier than ever these days. I spend quite a bit of my time finding new footprints each day and to be honest I would never sell the really valuable ones to anyone. For this reason Vbulletin making all outbound links nofollow is the very least of my concerns.
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  • Profile picture of the author craig1983
    This is excellent advice thanks for sharing!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Becks
    Well as I stated before you have the right to your own opinion, which anyone with an ounce of common sense reading this thread has to know is pretty much worthless.

    It is very amusing to me that you took the time out to address every line in my post but skipped the part where I asked if you have ever tried the method before? That is enough to tell me that you in fact have not and therefore are making statements and bogus claims about something that you have no knowledge or experience with.
    Same thing was said of email marketing which led to it being outlawed.
    The point that you are missing is that email marketing was effective for it's time, when it wasn't people moved on. Same rule applies here.

    No you are on a board CLAIMING they all stick.
    Sorry, but unlike you I have nothing to prove to anyone here thus I have absolutely no reason to lie. I didn't start a thread titled "HOT NEW LINK BUILDING TECHNIQUE-MUST READ!!!" did I? A member asked for me to share a technique and I did. This is nothing new, people have been doing it with Wikipedia forever, I simply added my own twist to it by finding my own search strings to use for tracking down some less known high pr wikis and I am sure that I am not the first person to do it.

    The point that you are missing is that most of these wikis were written months or even years ago and the authors are not sitting around monitoring them for changes. (You might have known this if you had given it a try before making assumptions).

    Your words are on you bro. If your link isn't relevant which was YOUR claim then you live and die by your statements. No one is required to understand Italian where you wrote English.
    What?

    No matter what you say its a garbage technique. if you ever were to rank for anything you would fall off in no time because the nature of links you get like that are due to be removed anytime the authors of the page notice you've defaced their article.
    More useless statements.:rolleyes: The sad thing is that I am almost tempted to stoop to your level on this one but I have better things to do. You have no idea how silly you sound though. A Wiki is no different than an Ezine or a blog post. Do you know how many people write articles everyday and never again pay the least amount of attention to them? Maybe you don't understand the fact that most of these wikis (the ones worth getting links from) were written some time ago and no one really cares who changes them! (except you:p).

    Anyhow, I have wasted enough time already but I do want to wish you the best of luck on your anti-spamming campaign. "Mike Anthony-Change You Can Believe In"
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    You guys (Embion & Mike) are not talking on the same page here... come on, I know you both are great in your areas, let's learn from each other instead of arguing points that are not even on the same page....


    Cheers! both of you are right!

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      You guys (Embion & Mike) are not talking on the same page here... come on, I know you both are great in your areas, let's learn from each other instead of arguing points that are not even on the same page....


      Cheers! both of you are right!

      Kok Choon
      Don't worry about it man. I was done form the Good day at the end of my last post. Whoever wants to jump in with this poor strategy can have fun with it. I just post for the newbies who might fall for it. No skin off my back once They've read another side if they decide to waste time with it

      If they are in my or one of my clients niches its even good for me. If you know what i mean.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aspiring Guru
    This is a lot to take in...but I'm going to try to just use a mixture of both high and low pr sites combined with time and some quality, keyword rich writing Thanks for all the advice.
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