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PR Update - Today!

by nouseforaname
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As for this year, today is the first time for PR Update. But it is weird that some of my sites that have good backlinks received nothing, by the way I think it still can get PR Update in next few days/weeks.
#pr update #today #update
  • Profile picture of the author dhex
    Yep, I also got as high as PR5 for my MFA sites. Lets see If this changes any of my SERP positions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by dhex View Post

      Yep, I also got as high as PR5 for my MFA sites. Lets see If this changes any of my SERP positions.
      I certainly wouldn't expect that for 2 reasons.

      (1) PR really has little to do with SERP rankings. Some factors which influence PR (like backlinks) also influence SERP rankings, so PR and SERP rankings are sometimes correlated, but I wouldn't put them as cause and effect.

      (2) If you had a site that went to PR5 today, it really had a PR5 value to google yesterday too (and likely the day before that, etc.). Today was just the day that Google released the new PRs to the public.

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      • Profile picture of the author dhex
        Tom, Thanks for your explanation. Can you tell me why a lot of people bother about getting links from high PR pages? (even there is a link to WSO in your signature mentioning PR as the packet's value)
        I think the effect of linking to a high PR pages is to get some link juice and as a result get a higher page rank. So according to your explanation, we don't have to bother about getting links from high PR pages; a PR- pages also do as good in terms of improving SERP.

        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        I certainly wouldn't expect that for 2 reasons.

        (1) PR really has little to do with SERP rankings. Some factors which influence PR (like backlinks) also influence SERP rankings, so PR and SERP rankings are sometimes correlated, but I wouldn't put them as cause and effect.

        (2) If you had a site that went to PR5 today, it really had a PR5 value to google yesterday too (and likely the day before that, etc.). Today was just the day that Google released the new PRs to the public.

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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          I think people confuse PR of your site and the PR of incoming links (i.e., PR for SERP rankings and PR for backlinking purposes should be separated in your mind). They are completely different animals.

          (1) The PR of your site does not matter in its rankings in Google. Now of course sometimes PR is correlated due to the quality of backlinks. I have never seen evidence in any rankings I have seen in Google that a page was ranked higher than another page because it had higher PR.

          (2) For *incoming* links to your site (i.e., backlinks), the authority of the site/page that the incoming link comes from does matter. One shortcut for determining the authority of a site in the eyes of Google, is its PR. Its not a perfect indicator, but it is probably the best/easiest to use. Now, for backlink power, ideally you would love to get something like an anchored link on the main domain/homepage of a PR6 site. However, unless you have $$$$ or connections, that is just not an easy thing to do. What many of us have found is that you if you can get backlinks from interior pages (even if these interior pages have no PR themselves) of domains that have high PR, these backlinks are much more valuable than the no PR of that individual page suggests. Due to the relative ease of getting these types of backlinks (forum profiles being the most common), many of us use these types of links as a main source of our backlinks.

          When you say "the effect of linking to a high PR page is to get some link juice", is that what you really mean? Or are you talking about getting a link *from* (rather than to) the high PR page?

          As I noted above, getting PR backlinks from others is a very good thing (for both SERP ranking and helping increase your sites PR), but the PR of your domain will not improve its SERP rankings. They are apples and oranges.

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          Originally Posted by dhex View Post

          Tom, Thanks for your explanation. Can you tell me why a lot of people bother about getting links from high PR pages? (even there is a link to WSO in your signature mentioning PR as the packet's value)
          I think the effect of linking to a high PR pages is to get some link juice and as a result get a higher page rank. So according to your explanation, we don't have to bother about getting links from high PR pages; a PR- pages also do as good in terms of improving SERP.
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          • Profile picture of the author dhex
            Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post


            As I noted above, getting PR backlinks from others is a very good thing (for both SERP ranking and helping increase your sites PR), but the PR of your domain will not improve its SERP rankings. They are apples and oranges.

            Tom
            I read somewhere about a theory about backlinks and page rank flow.
            If a PR 1 page gets link from PR 6, the PR1 page rank will increase. Because PR flows from high PR page to lower PR page if there is a one way link from the higher to the lower PR page.
            In other words the pr6, which is an authoritive page than the pr1 page, gives its vote for the PR1 page so that the pr1 page gets better SERP, right?
            So my point was, even if PR doesn't mean (directly) much in terms of improving SERP but it's an indication of that particular page (the PR1 page) getting links from higher PR pages which ultimately will help the page improve its SERP. Erog increase in PR of a page may result in SERP.
            Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

            When you say "the effect of linking to a high PR page is to get some link juice", is that what you really mean? Or are you talking about getting a link *from* (rather than to) the high PR page?
            Yes, i was talking about incoming links to my pages
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
              Originally Posted by dhex View Post

              I read somewhere about a theory about backlinks and page rank flow.
              If a PR 1 page gets link from PR 6, the PR1 page rank will increase. Because PR flows from high PR page to lower PR page if there is a one way link from the higher to the lower PR page.
              I certainly agree with that.

              Originally Posted by dhex View Post

              In other words the pr6, which is an authoritive page than the pr1 page, gives its vote for the PR1 page so that the pr1 page gets better SERP, right?
              I definitely don't agree with that. The pr1 site definitely has a good chance to increase its PR, but I wouldn't assume this means an increase in SERP rankings.

              PR can pass from one site to another site through all types of links: unanchored links, anchored links, hyperlinked images, hyperlinked videos, etc.

              Lets say I have a site selling blue widgets. It is currently PR NA. I get a homepage link from CNN. YES!! The link from CNN is an anchored link, but it the anchor text is "Britney Spears." I also get a homepage link from ESPN, but this time its a hyperlinked image (a picture of a dolphin). YES Again!!

              Do I have a good chance of increasing the PR of my blue widgets site? Absolutely. Will these backlinks from CNN and ESPN help me rank for the keyword "blue widgets"? Almost certainly not.

              Originally Posted by dhex View Post

              So my point was, even if PR doesn't mean (directly) much in terms of improving SERP but it's an indication of that particular page (the PR1 page) getting links from higher PR pages which ultimately will help the page improve its SERP. Erog increase in PR of a page may result in SERP.
              You actually have to analyze the backlinks though, you can't just look at the PR. Backlinks can help with PR, but have absolutely zero effect on SERP rankings. In particular, you need to analyze the anchor text of the incoming links to see if they are actually helping.

              In addition, keep in mind that PR can flow internally on any given site.
              For instance, I have a PR4 blog. Some of the internal pages have PR3, although they have zero backlinks pointing to these pages (other than the normal internal linking structure of Wordpress). Assuming that these other pages are optimized for Keyword ABC, would I expect these internal PR3 pages (with zero backlinks) to rank well for the keyword ABC, with no backlinks, although they have a PR3? Nope.

              In summary, analyze the backlinks and not the PR, as the backlinks are what will help determine the SERP rankings, not the PR. The backlinks drive the PR, but they may not necessarily be helping with SERP rankings.

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              • Profile picture of the author Daniel Molano
                Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

                Lets say I have a site selling blue widgets. It is currently PR NA. I get a homepage link from CNN. YES!! The link from CNN is an anchored link, but it the anchor text is "Britney Spears." I also get a homepage link from ESPN, but this time its a hyperlinked image (a picture of a dolphin). YES Again!!

                Do I have a good chance of increasing the PR of my blue widgets site? Absolutely. Will these backlinks from CNN and ESPN help me rank for the keyword "blue widgets"? Almost certainly not.
                Under that scenario, if the anchor text of the CNN link was "blue widgets" and not "Britney Spears", you would definitely rank for the term (I'm asumming we're talking about a home page link).
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                • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                  Originally Posted by Daniel Molano View Post

                  Under that scenario, if the anchor text of the CNN link was "blue widgets" and not "Britney Spears", you would definitely rank for the term (I'm asumming we're talking home page link).
                  Agree 100%.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Dont think I will bother checking my PR changes, it does not bring traffic or conversions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lett
    PR1 --> PR2
    PR0 --> PR4

    I am happy about the changes
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    • Profile picture of the author udeze
      Originally Posted by Lett View Post

      PR0 --> PR4

      I am happy about the changes
      Impressive, I merely moved fro PR2 to PR3 for one of my sites, though I didn't really except much since I didn't really work hard on the site
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  • Profile picture of the author michael_nguyen
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  • Profile picture of the author nouseforaname
    For me one of the thing effecting SERP is from High PR backlinks, however even if your site has a high PR, it doesn't promise that your site can get high ranking in SERP.

    P.s: Maybe can start selling sitewide links or homepage links if you got high PR :p
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  • Profile picture of the author RedEvo
    One use of Pagerank is to review your competitors links. If they have 1000's of links and a low Pagerank they are employing link spamming meaning if you build better quality links you may beat them.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jhangora
    7 of my sites got PR 1 ... Aiming for PR 3 in next update for these sites and will try and get other sites ranked.
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    • Profile picture of the author Piscola
      I went from PR unranked to PR 5 , with a new website in 1 month
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  • Profile picture of the author dhex
    Tom, thanks for clearing that up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by dhex View Post

      Tom, thanks for clearing that up.
      No problem at all. One more thing I forgot to add. Even with proper anchor text, I have found certain types of links help more with PR than SERP rankings, and vice versa. For example, profile links help me greatly in SERP rankings, but don't really help that much in terms of getting PR to your site (probably because they are on PRNA pages). On the other hand, blog comments (even if there are alot of external links on the pages), have shown to help my sites get PR, and although they certainly can help with SERP rankings, I find profiles generally help me more (despite the PRNA nature of them), unless we are talking about finding some really high PR blog pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author robmena
    Doesn't mean much for SEO but is nice when you have a high number and at times it can be beneficial.
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  • Profile picture of the author tijay
    Shout out to Angela, Paul, Terry, Tom Goodwin, Tamilseo and others. I have done a bunch of profile links in the past couple months. The result is a few PR3 domains, all achieved in the last PR update.

    Thanks!

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