Time to start PPC I Think!

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Hi Guys n Gals

I am fairly new to Internet Marketing per se and have been driving Traffic to my product mainly through the FREE Traffic sources and have even tried some Media Buying!. I have realized that in order to be effective with Media Buying, especially with Banner Ads....You need a BIG Budget, which I dont have at the moment!

I have also started to do some Affiliate Marketing and have made some sales with Clickbank products etc, but now I want to scale up my business and start making sales on a regular day to day basis.

I reaLize that I must venture into PPC and/or PPV but am somewhat reticent as I don't know too much about them and know that if you don't do things correctly you can blow a lot of money in the process!!

My question is this....Apart from doing it myself, is there anyway of outsourcing the work using sites such as oDesk.com or guru.com and has anyone had any experience with this! I would like to start a campaign but don't know whether this would be a good idea or not?

Any suggestions or advice will be gratefully received,

Many Thanks,

Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author JonMills
    Steve, I woudn't outsource PPC until you understand how it works and have dabbled in it, otherwise when you get charged and they explain what they are charging you for... you will be more likely to be scammed for stuff that takes minutes to do.

    Even if you dont wish to manage your ppc campaigns at least set up a few, run some, learn how they work and what results are typical etc before handing it over to someone else
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by JonMills View Post

      Steve, I woudn't outsource PPC until you understand how it works and have dabbled in it, otherwise when you get charged and they explain what they are charging you for... you will be more likely to be scammed for stuff that takes minutes to do.

      Even if you dont wish to manage your ppc campaigns at least set up a few, run some, learn how they work and what results are typical etc before handing it over to someone else
      ? I am sure your comments are not meant to be in the general course of account managers in terms that you will be scammed as that would be a reckless statement at best that could be loosely thrown out at any aspect of IM.

      As for taking minutes to do, well that is exactly in general terms what you want, these people would be experienced in exactly what and why things need to be changed for best account performance and as such you would expect them to take less time than somebody who knows little about their task. Your paying for knowledge not time as a main factor.

      The last part yes, if people wish they should set up and run their own account as a balance or control factor, that way they can measure performance / outcomes based on a benchmark.
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  • Profile picture of the author Murderface
    Originally Posted by stevebetsworth View Post

    have even tried some Media Buying!. I have realized that in order to be effective with Media Buying, especially with Banner Ads....You need a BIG Budget
    -Why do you think so?

    Typically, you would want to start with PPC to test out your campaign(s). Once you find a winning offer, have optimized it and are happy with the conversion rates, you would make the transition to media buys for a much cheaper advertising solution (or, if anything, to scale up your campaign).

    Regarding media buys and budgeting - this holds true for both, direct buying and via media buy networks. As an example, you can purchase 800,000+ impressions for $10-$50 (depending on the website, the ad block/banner size and location) - even through a network. (And that's just one example)

    Sure, some of these networks may require you to front anywhere between $100-$300 etc. to start using their service, but that is not a huge investment. If you think that this kind of start-up capital is too much, you should probably stay away from PPC for the time being - IMO. The same applies to PPV/CPV - you may need to front anywhere between $50-$1000 just to start using one of the more popular networks!

    Good luck.
    -M
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    • Profile picture of the author stevebetsworth
      Thanks guys for your comments!

      Yeah i guess I havn't really tried the Media Buying option long enough yet. I also want to try out PPV.....do you guys think this is a good avenue to go down? Is it easier/better than PPC? Also as regards PPC....I have heard that doing PPC through MSN, Bing & Yahoo is better.....Cheaper than Google and with less competition! What are your thoughts regarding this?

      Cheers,

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
        Originally Posted by stevebetsworth View Post

        Also as regards PPC....I have heard that doing PPC through MSN, Bing & Yahoo is better.....Cheaper than Google and with less competition! What are your thoughts regarding this?
        Cheers,
        Steve
        cheaper keywords ? implying some are dear ? all a misconception , dear keywords are only those keywords where people choose to pay to much as google does not set the price people pay.
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      • Profile picture of the author Murderface
        Originally Posted by stevebetsworth View Post

        I also want to try out PPV.....do you guys think this is a good avenue to go down? Is it easier/better than PPC? Also as regards PPC....I have heard that doing PPC through MSN, Bing & Yahoo is better.....Cheaper than Google and with less competition! What are your thoughts regarding this?
        -PPV can be great once you figure out what converts/what works well. Then again, PPC and media buys are great also - once you figure out what works and what doesn't. They can ALL be great.

        The fact is, there are a lot of people that are making a killing with PPV, and/or PPC and/or media buys. -They can all be extremely lucrative/profitable.

        HOWEVER, there are even more people (probably) that are losing their money everyday on all of the above. The thing is, you're almost always going to lose money at first because you have to test out your campaigns, test some more, then test some more. Tweak, optimize and scale. Some people get lucky and find a winning campaign on their first go - but that is rare.

        Regarding PPV - it can be really great. First of all, it can be 100x cheaper than PPC - especially for really competitive keywords. You have to figure out what kind of offers work best and on which networks - because some offers work better on other networks (depending on the demographic of the traffic). Take a look at where the network is getting their traffic - if it's an install that you think is more probable for older people or younger, more tech-savvy people, you can get a better idea as to what kind of offers will fly etc. You also have to look at what offers perform better depending on the presentation method - pop-up/pop-under/new tab etc.

        Most people will probably tell you that lead generation (free insurance quotes, free catalogs, free registration dating offers etc. etc. etc.) and list building are the best options for PPV. That doesn't mean that you can't find success with other offer types etc.

        Regarding PPC - there are other networks (2nd tier networks) that are available - in lieu of Google/Yahoo/Bing. More research may be required for this type of advertising because you'll have to figure out where the traffic is coming from (US/UK/CANADA or OTHER/INTERNATIONAL). You may also have to research each site that you decide to advertise on (unless you decide to do RON) - look not only at the site's demographic data, but look at the traffic stats - unique visitors/day vs. non-unique visitors etc. The good thing is, however, that these 2nd tier networks usually provide a lot of this information for you to aid you in your selection. 2nd tier PPC solutions are usually cheaper and less competitive than the 1st tier solutions (Yahoo, Google, Bing etc.) - but you're usually going to see less traffic, and, again, you have to see which offers work better by researching demographic and mindset of visitors etc. You may see better/worse conversion rates depending on which network you use also - be it via Google, Yahoo, Adbrite, Miva, or Facebook (to name a few) - all for the same offer. One downside to 2nd tier networks may be the availability of websites for your niche (if it is an unusual niche, that is). What I mean is, one network may have 8,000+ websites to choose from, while another may have 40,000+ websites to choose from - depending on your niche, you may or may not find a good website that you think will give you the best return based on your minimum expectations etc. It's not very likely, but you may have a hard time finding a website that is related to your offer/niche. Again, it's VERY unlikely that that would happen, but I mention it just as evidence of possible limitations.

        No matter which IM method you choose, do your research first. Investigate and get opinions on the networks and the offers that you will be choosing. Lastly, start small, be smart/be creative/look at what your competition is doing and focus on one method at a time until you have mastered it.

        Good luck and take care,
        -M
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        • Profile picture of the author stevebetsworth
          Thanks again for your comments and suggestions....They have been invaluable!! I will go and learn all I can with all the different types and start off small and test, test, test.

          Im determined to crack this IM and make it work for me......Passion and Persistence all the way!!

          Cheers,

          Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author clairejarrett
    I have audited so many accounts for people who have had them set up by so called Professionals who have done an INCREDIBLY bad job. Content network and search network on in the same account, a jumbled mess of irrelevant keywords, poor quality scores, poor ad copy etc etc!

    You really do need to make sure you choose someone who knows what they're doing, and ideally have some understanding of PPC to understand what's going on with the account. I have my AdWords book as an ebook, if you want me to send you a free copy do PM me.

    Cheers

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