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I saw this thread where BenK had 100 of his micro sites deindexed. 4 months of work down the drain.

hxxp://www.forum.makemoneyonlinewithseo.com/showthread.php?t=599

It makes you question the long term viability of this strategy if one day all of the work can we wiped away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    It's what many of us have been saying here for months - if you build a blog with only 3-5 posts or a website with one page it looks like an MFA site to google and is at risk of being de-indexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thinker1
    Sad, but when your business is not built on solid foundation that's what happens. It's better to have a handful of sites with more contents focused on serving the readers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bertil Jenner
    Thing about all of the other tens of thousands of micro-niche sites that are still indexed and earning thousands for their owners.

    Big sites, small sites and 1 page sites can all equally get de-indexed if you break Google Guidelines.

    Find out what sort of grey/blackhat activities the guy was doing to promote the sites and I will tell you why he was de-indexed.

    I have not read the thread you linked to but such threads are usually always the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author culvers
      open your eyes, its laughable to think that there is a page limit to being allowed in the google index. You must have x number of pages or you will be delisted. Absolute rubbish.

      Using the same template as others (the green and black xfactor) will get you deindexed - again rubbish.

      Having utter gibberish in your content, using dodgy techniques on your site - yeah that will get you deindexed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        open your eyes, its laughable to think that there is a page limit to being allowed in the google index. You must have x number of pages or you will be delisted. Absolute rubbish.
        One page sites and blogs are not going to get the results people want - you can slide one in once in a while and do well with it short term - but there have been literally hundreds of these quickie 3 post blogs and one page sites that I know of (with about 3-400 words of gobbledy content) that have been deindexed.

        They are MFA - they look MFA - and that is how google sees them. It's not page limit per se - it's lack of content that causes the problem. Clearly if you have more content - you have more pages.
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      • Profile picture of the author absbica
        Originally Posted by culvers View Post

        open your eyes, its laughable to think that there is a page limit to being allowed in the google index. You must have x number of pages or you will be delisted. Absolute rubbish.

        Using the same template as others (the green and black xfactor) will get you deindexed - again rubbish.

        Having utter gibberish in your content, using dodgy techniques on your site - yeah that will get you deindexed.
        good to hear about the green and black xfactor, as that is what I am using. When google looks at a site anyways, its looking at the source code, so visually it doesn't even know what your site looks like aside from looking at blackhat techniques (font color on background color). I build my websites tableless, whereas newbies might build it with nested to hell tables...ultimately the same "look" can be achieved and unless you dive in the code, the avg. person won't know whats going on behind the scenes to make it looks the way it does (ala green adn black xfactor).
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          Originally Posted by absbica View Post

          good to hear about the green and black xfactor, as that is what I am using. When google looks at a site anyways, its looking at the source code, so visually it doesn't even know what your site looks like aside from looking at BlueFart techniques (font color on background color). I build my websites tableless, whereas newbies might build it with nested to hell tables...ultimately the same "look" can be achieved and unless you dive in the code, the avg. person won't know whats going on behind the scenes to make it looks the way it does (ala green adn black xfactor).
          Until they do a visual inspection.
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          • Profile picture of the author inter123
            Most of the reasons for being deindexed is just pure speculation.

            Google is a successful business. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot and deindex other businesses that help them further?

            They'd only do it, if its going to have a bad impact on them. The quality is so bad, the association is going to have a negative impact in the eyes of the visitor. Or there is something in the site that may lead to legal disputes.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Originally Posted by arizona1 View Post

    I saw this thread where BenK had 100 of his micro sites deindexed. 4 months of work down the drain.

    hxxp://www.forum.makemoneyonlinewithseo.com/showthread.php?t=599

    It makes you question the long term viability of this strategy if one day all of the work can we wiped away.
    If you guys are creating minisites, make God damn sure they are not thin affiliate sites.
    Had to stop right there. Stating the obvious and then acting surprised...

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    You can make "affiliate sites" and still provide value and information. If you rather prefer to make your one/two page MFA site, probably with spun content you just scraped from ezine articles...'scuse me you are a lazy *** and actually dont deserve a penny income from your sites in my opinion. G.
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    I've yet to see Google just ban an account of someones for no reason at all, or for having too many sites, same template, etc. There will always be an underlying cause, and that cause is breaking the Google TOS.

    Having a site full of garbage content with adsense thrown all over it is obviously an MFA and Google is going to shut down the account when they find it. (And you can bet they will eventually find it) That's really nothing new though.

    You want to have more than just a block of adsense on any site. Mix things up a little and include an Amazon, Ebay or CPA banner down the side of the menu. Add a YouTube video at the bottom or an EZA sign up box. Put some pictures inside the content. Make it clear to a Google reviewer that there is more to your site and it's not just existing as an obvious MFA.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Even if i (mostly) dislike google, i need to agree.

    Google will ALWAYS work towards so people who use google get WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR, relevant and good content.

    If google were a search engine returning only ***P, they would already be out of business. Thats the reason that G has no interest and doesn't like garbage/MFA sites. Google doesnt like them, the VISITOR doesnt like them. The only one who likes them is the person who made the ***p sites for the sole reason that he makes money with them.

    Imagine you type in whatever YOU look for in Google and all you get is garbage content plastered with ads? (Happens too often anyway).

    Take your fricking time and make a nice, valuable site and you will be rewarded, simple as that. Its not that hard either.
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    hmmm let's just see what xfactor himself and fellow users now have to say about posting thin affiliate sites with 5 pages of content...
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    i disagree. 5 pages/posts do NOT make a "thin" affiliate site. Its not the number of pages. I have some sites which have the usual sales-page, contact, terms etc...and they rank well. If all sites <5 pages would be considered "thin" we would have a LOT of sales pages deindexed.

    "Thin" is really what the site is about, the content, number of ads. A site with "only" 5 pages CAN have good information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    ^^ I agree, and this is all just some cheap publicity stunt he pulled trying to get people to his forums.
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    • Profile picture of the author arizona1
      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      ^^ I agree, and this is all just some cheap publicity stunt he pulled trying to get people to his forums.
      I don't think so. I posted it because in another thread a member was saying that they have never heard of micro sites being deindexed for lack of quality and I had just read his example.

      It is a good lesson for people to be aware of considering the amount of threads and effort on WF geared toward making xfactor adsense sites.

      I am glad some senior members have agreed that quality counts and will be rewarded for long term success. It is unfortunate that many newbs take the path of least resistance and effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    ^^ The guy from the thread actually had quality content and he still got deindexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    Where is the proof that the guy had quality content? I just looked at all 6 pages of the thread and saw no proof.

    He is probably one of those guys who write "Hey I like to use my red coffee maker everyday because I love to drink coffee. I can't live without my red coffee maker..."

    Look at the dude that ranks for 4 slice toaster? His site has been around since August. No axe for him?
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    There is no proof of course.

    The point is, if Google wanna can you, they can you.
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      There is no proof of course.

      The point is, if Google wanna can you, they can you.
      The guy had - I believe - literally hundreds of websites. He was cranking out sheer quantities of them very quickly.

      Basically, it's asking for trouble.

      Having a ton of sites like that all tied to one Adsense account, all relatively thin (even if what content there is is decent quality) is becoming risky.

      Google doesn't like people setting up tons of tiny sites. They're obviously questioning why you don't just set up the same overall number of pages on one site (an authority-type site), and the answer is, simply: because you're trying to take shortcuts in gaming their search rankings and leeching as many Adsense clicks as possible via any means possible, in as short a period of time as possible, for as least work as possible.

      Google flat out doesn't like it. They're favoring bigger sites, and in the long run their preference is tailored more towards authority sites. That is a certainty.

      Hell, even XFactor claims to only have 100 "micro" sites and makes between $1-$10/day from each. But most of these people such as BenK seemed to be trying to crank out 100s or even 1000s of sites all earning the bare minimum each.... because it's even faster.

      My personal goal has always been to earn $5-$10/day per site.

      I would suggest people look less at cranking out huge volumes of sites, and more on building out and maximizing the income from the sites they do have.

      It's a slightly slower and steadier approach, but in the long run it's probably safer than constantly cutting corners and trying to rank every single phrase with a single page (or at least an intentionally VERY small site) site on an exact-match or keyword-rich domain.
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      • Profile picture of the author inter123
        A 50 page "micro" site making $10 a day, is that what is advised?

        Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

        Hell, even XFactor claims to only have 100 "micro" sites and makes between $1-$10/day from each.
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        • Profile picture of the author bay37
          Originally Posted by inter123 View Post

          A 50 page "micro" site making $10 a day, is that what is advised?
          That and some more, yes.

          //rant

          There seem to be a lot of people on this forum who are very confused about the whole make money with Adsense/micro niche sites/use product keywords/do not use product keywords/make bigger sites/use the same template/change up the templates/article backlinks rock/article backlinks suck/etc thing...

          This is why the confusion:

          John is a great marketer - he's done an amazing job selling his course and the "dream". Mad props to him.

          One thing I really like about John is the way he handles "forum talk" - calm and professional. He has changed his "strategy", site ownership claims, website size claims, etc more than a few times... Yet 99% of his followers never seem to "catch up" to him. Instead, they defend his method (using the constantly changing variations of it as their "arguments") every time someone speaks out against it. It truly is a beautiful thing to watch.

          I'm sorry to say this, but most of the people who are following the micro niche approach will never make any money. Most of them will never even break even (domain costs+hosting).

          There's a small amount of people who can see through the "marketing". They take a few good tips away from all of those "micro niche courses" and do their own thing. They make money.

          There are also those who like to automate most of their work. They can launch as many mini sites as they want in a very short period of time. These people make money by putting up 100's of mini niche sites out there. They make somewhere in the region of $0.1-$0.4/site/day, depending on the keyword.

          And in the biggest group is the majority of people on this forum - they believe in all the marketing "hype". They believe in "blueprints", easy money from "clicks", easy to find keywords, $1-$2/day per site using the "original system", all that stuff...

          Most of them never even get past building the first 3-4 sites. Those who try to follow the "system" run into a ton of questions (too late, you've already wasted more money than you can possibly make using the "system"). Mostly because they have no idea what they are doing. They need an easy to follow "blueprint" in order to even get started. Unfortunately for them, there is no honest "blueprint" to making money online.

          Conclusion:

          There is no "system". You are all discussing a bunch of false claims and promises, because you want to believe them. You want to believe that there is an easy, accessible way to make money online.

          The truth is - and always has been - this is a real business. And the rules of this business haven't changed in many years - build quality websites that are informative, serve some kind of need or provide a service - and you will make money/be successful. As simple as that.

          //rant over
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          • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
            Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

            That and some more, yes.

            //rant

            There seem to be a lot of people on this forum who are very confused about the whole make money with Adsense/micro niche sites/use product keywords/do not use product keywords/make bigger sites/use the same template/change up the templates/article backlinks rock/article backlinks suck/etc thing...

            This is why the confusion:

            John is a great marketer - he's done an amazing job selling his course and the "dream". Mad props to him.

            One thing I really like about John is the way he handles "forum talk" - calm and professional. He has changed his "strategy", site ownership claims, website size claims, etc more than a few times... Yet 99% of his followers never seem to "catch up" to him. Instead, they defend his method (using the constantly changing variations of it as their "arguments") every time someone speaks out against it. It truly is a beautiful thing to watch.

            I'm sorry to say this, but most of the people who are following the micro niche approach will never make any money. Most of them will never even break even (domain costs+hosting).

            There's a small amount of people who can see through the "marketing". They take a few good tips away from all of those "micro niche courses" and do their own thing. They make money.

            There are also those who like to automate most of their work. They can launch as many mini sites as they want in a very short period of time. These people make money by putting up 100's of mini niche sites out there. They make somewhere in the region of $0.1-$0.4/site/day, depending on the keyword.

            And in the biggest group is the majority of people on this forum - they believe in all the marketing "hype". They believe in "blueprints", easy money from "clicks", easy to find keywords, $1-$2/day per site using the "original system", all that stuff...

            Most of them never even get past building the first 3-4 sites. Those who try to follow the "system" run into a ton of questions (too late, you've already wasted more money than you can possibly make using the "system"). Mostly because they have no idea what they are doing. They need an easy to follow "blueprint" in order to even get started. Unfortunately for them, there is no honest "blueprint" to making money online.

            Conclusion:

            There is no "system". You are all discussing a bunch of false claims and promises, because you want to believe them. You want to believe that there is an easy, accessible way to make money online.

            The truth is - and always has been - this is a real business. And the rules of this business haven't changed in many years - build quality websites that are informative, serve some kind of need or provide a service - and you will make money/be successful. As simple as that.

            //rant over
            I just personally do not feel that John is a liar, but each to their own.

            I'm actually genuinely interested to know what makes you feel so convinced he is lying?

            It's good to be skeptical about a lot of things, but outright refusal to believe something is another thing altogether - especially if you're prepared to accuse someone outright of making up false claims or lies.

            I'm not trying to start a my word against your word argument here, and I have no incentive to defend Johns/XFactors method, but I will say this:

            I'm seeing good success in following many of his strategies. I don't follow them to the tee anymore (although I did for a time), but it worked when I did, and it worked when I didn't.

            His theme outline works well for attracting clicks. I deviated from it at first and my CTR was around 5%. After making a theme more like the one he presented, my CTR went well into double figures.

            If he simply made that theme up and has never really made any money with Adsense whilst using it, how would he know it works so well?

            If he doesn't practice basic SEO (onsite and backlinking) then how would he know it works? And it does work. Even his method of submitting a ton of articles to EZA works well providing they get republished. But it takes you submitting TONs of articles EVERY day to be able to bank on getting a good enough portion of them republished enough for a decent amount of backlinks across a diverse range of IPs/domains.

            If you're only submitting an article here or an article there (or sometimes a ton of articles at once), they get overlooked, skipped over, and they don't get republished and you don't get the number of backlinks you need for good rankings.

            Are you disputing that it doesn't work? Have you tried it properly or did you try to take shortcuts?

            I tried it, and it worked. But it's a lot of work, and I know of easier ways to rank that don't involve writing 25 articles per day. So now I use those, and I see the same results just with a different degree of effort expenditure, and using a different strategy.

            Basically, what he teaches does work. It's basic SEO. How can it not?

            Again, no-one can prove exactly how much he earns or whether he earns anything at all. But his strategy can and does work.

            As does pretty much every other strategy if you follow it consistently enough...

            In the end, it just takes work. It's a simple system, but it's not easy. It's not easy because it does involve a lot of work. A lot of writing (even if you're only writing your onsite content and not content/articles for backlinks), and putting in a lot of work before you can even rank well enough to earn money (which might take days, weeks or even months) is not something that most people are accustomed to.

            Most people are accustomed to doing a weeks work for a weeks pay. Not a weeks work for a few cents or a dollar (at first). Or a weeks work only to find out the keyword is a dud or the competition is too strong for their liking.

            My point is basically that sure, we cannot prove (since we have no evidence) Johns earnings claims are true.

            But you cannot feasibly dispute that his overall strategy is sincerely flawed to the point it flat out doesn't work. It does, but most people don't work it properly, nor do they work properly any other strategy they choose.

            Most people aren't dedicated enough to make his strategy work since they dont write enough articles. Most people aren't technically clued up enough to be able to effectively deviate from his strategy in parts and still make a success of it neither.
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            • Profile picture of the author Clyde
              Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

              I just personally do not feel that John is a liar, but each to their own.

              I'm actually genuinely interested to know what makes you feel so convinced he is lying?
              because of the 100's of threads that claim he is lying. Just go to his private forums and see how many people are failing but still in denial. "hey i've written 300 articles and i only make $1/day, micro niche finder says SOC is low but i'm not making any money, i follow your ebook step by step"

              that plus the fact John didn't even write his own e-book.

              go buy his e-book and try his exact method that he claims to make him $600/day and I can say for sure that you will fail.

              i will put my money where my mouth is, if you can make 100 websites following his exact methods make even $50/day i will pay for all your domain cost.

              Have you read his e-book btw?

              and to answer your last question, I CAN dispute that his method is flawed because I have tried it (exactly as it is, A-Z) and lost $1,000 in the process.
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              • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
                Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

                because of the 100's of threads that claim he is lying. Just go to his private forums and see how many people are failing but still in denial. "hey i've written 300 articles and i only make $1/day, micro niche finder says SOC is low but i'm not making any money, i follow your ebook step by step"

                that plus the fact John didn't even write his own e-book.

                go buy his e-book and try his exact method that he claims to make him $600/day and I can say for sure that you will fail.

                i will put my money where my mouth is, if you can make 100 websites following his exact methods make even $50/day i will pay for all your domain cost.

                but, before you want to stick up for him, you should at least buy his e-book first right?

                I mean, what credibility do you have if you haven't even read the e-book?

                and to answer your last question, I CAN dispute that his method is flawed because I have tried it (exactly as it is, A-Z) and lost $1,000 in the process.
                Actually I have read his book.

                I'm not a member of his forum, though, so I don't know what goes on there.

                Again, I no longer follow his process exactly because I'm not that big on writing articles. But I followed it for a while - not expecting to be able to gauge my success within any set length of time, not expecting to make any specific amount of cash wtihin any length of time, not trying to cut corners, not trying to deviate from it thinking I knew better...

                ... and it worked. I built several sites which all earn me a few dollars per day.

                Are you accusing me of being a liar?

                I'm sorry to hear that you lost money. Perhaps you did something wrong.

                The issue you seem to be placing emphasis on here is that submitting 300 articles to Ezinearticles didn't get you the rankings you wanted to achieve.

                Why is it that I submitted only a fraction of that number of articles and managed to achieve #1-5 rankings on Google UK and Google US for a long long time, making some pretty good money in the process?

                Are you saying I got lucky?

                Because if I just got lucky, then maybe you just got unlucky? Or maybe you did something wrong.

                I just wish people wouldn't point fingers and scream "liar, liar", all the time. Sure, at times it's justified. I just personally don't happen to feel it's justified in this case.

                If John is lying about the amount he earns per day, then fine.

                But please, don't tell me this method doesn't work. It does, it's been proven. It's worked for years. It should continue to work for quite some time.

                As for the Micro Niche Finder SOC issue. I don't use MNF - I use Market Samurai and a combination of their SEO Competition module plus manually checking the first couple of Google SERPs

                But you know, even the Google keyword Tool itself lies about the number of searches some keywords get from time-to-time. Most of the time, in my experience, it is right. But sometimes, searches can dry up so quickly from one month to the next (in the case of very seasonal products, etc) that what might've been a good approximation of last months searches may in NO WAY reflect what you can expect to receive this month or next month by way of the number of searches.

                And sometimes despite you're checking of the competition your #1-5 ranking just doesn't seem to be achieved as easily as you'd figured it would.

                Though again - most of the time it does, in my experience.

                You seem to have had a negative experience in following his instructions. Too bad. Sorry to hear it. But please don't outright tell me or anyone else who has seen success with it that they're a liar.

                As a matter of fact, I have 3 small websites here which now earn in the $10/day mark. They only have a few pages (1-6 pages each excluding privacy policy) so far, and they were only backlinked with articles.

                On that basis, I'm fairly confident I can earn $100/day with less than 50 sites.
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                • Profile picture of the author Clyde
                  Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

                  Actually I have read his book.

                  I'm not a member of his forum, though, so I don't know what goes on there.

                  Again, I no longer follow his process exactly because I'm not that big on writing articles. But I followed it for a while - not expecting to be able to gauge my success within any set length of time, not expecting to make any specific amount of cash wtihin any length of time, not trying to cut corners, not trying to deviate from it thinking I knew better...

                  ... and it worked. I built several sites which all earn me a few dollars per day.

                  Are you accusing me of being a liar?

                  I'm sorry to hear that you lost money. Perhaps you did something wrong.
                  Yes, I followed his method.

                  The issue you seem to be placing emphasis on here is that submitting 300 articles to Ezinearticles didn't get you the rankings you wanted to achieve.

                  Why is it that I submitted only a fraction of that number of articles and managed to achieve #1-5 rankings on Google UK and Google US for a long long time, making some pretty good money in the process?

                  Are you saying I got lucky?

                  Because if I just got lucky, then maybe you just got unlucky? Or maybe you did something wrong.
                  Yes, you got lucky, you wouldn't be able to replicate that. Out of 10 websites that you launch with only EZA backlinks only 1 will rank top 3.

                  Don't think about yourself. Think about all the stay-at-home mom's that believed in John and failed. Obviously you were smart enough to not follow John's method word by word but most people weren't.

                  I just wish people wouldn't point fingers and scream "liar, liar", all the time. Sure, at times it's justified. I just personally don't happen to feel it's justified in this case.

                  If John is lying about the amount he earns per day, then fine.

                  But please, don't tell me this method doesn't work. It does, it's been proven. It's worked for years. It should continue to work for quite some time.

                  As for the Micro Niche Finder SOC issue. I don't use MNF - I use Market Samurai and a combination of their SEO Competition module plus manually checking the first couple of Google SERPs
                  That's what I'm saying. Think about people that believed in John, bought Micro Niche Finder, and failed.

                  But you know, even the Google keyword Tool itself lies about the number of searches some keywords get from time-to-time. Most of the time, in my experience, it is right. But sometimes, searches can dry up so quickly from one month to the next (in the case of very seasonal products, etc) that what might've been a good approximation of last months searches may in NO WAY reflect what you can expect to receive this month or next month by way of the number of searches.

                  And sometimes despite you're checking of the competition your #1-5 ranking just doesn't seem to be achieved as easily as you'd figured it would.

                  Though again - most of the time it does, in my experience.

                  You seem to have had a negative experience in following his instructions. Too bad. Sorry to hear it. But please don't outright tell me or anyone else who has seen success with it that they're a liar.

                  As a matter of fact, I have 3 small websites here which now earn in the $10/day mark. They only have a few pages (1-6 pages each excluding privacy policy) so far, and they were only backlinked with articles.

                  On that basis, I'm fairly confident I can earn $100/day with less than 50 sites.
                  Conclusion: You have not followed his method and therefore your results can not be used.

                  The offer is still on the table. Follow his method EXACTLY and I will send you $1,000 for the 100 domains that make $50/day.
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                  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
                    Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

                    Yes, I followed his method.
                    Yes, you got lucky, you wouldn't be able to replicate that. Out of 10 websites that you launch with only EZA backlinks only 1 will rank top 3.
                    You cannot rank for most things from EZA alone, or any other backlinks alone (unless of course you get a single really high PR backlink).

                    The fact of the matter is that links from site-1 to site-2 only count os many times for so much before google begins to discount them.

                    That means you need to have your EZA articles republished onto other peoples sites.

                    That is why, in his ebook and/or on the forum, John stressed why it's so important to write about POPULAR topics.

                    The more popular a topic is, the more people will write about those topics on their sites. The more websites about that topic there will be. The more likely people will then take your articles and republish them.

                    But there are other issues that crop up. Submitting a ton of articles to EZA all at once, that all get approved at once, will all end up getting "lost in the mix" at once.

                    1 article submitted will also get lost.

                    1 article submitted, then another article submitted later that day, then another, then another... on and on, every day, will spread your articles out through the EZA pages sufficiently that no matter where someone looks the chances of them seeing your articles are high.

                    That means there is a higher chance they will republish your article.

                    I believe this is a core part of Johns backlinking strategy, though in the version of his book that I read (quite an old one now probably) he didn't talk about why it was important to get republished (links from a diverse range of IP's and domains).

                    I believe this is also why you never had success with your articles. They either were written on topics that content for which wasn't in high enough demand, or they didn't get enough exposure because you submitted them all in one big cluster too quickly, or else they outright sucked so badly that no-one wanted to republish them.

                    I'm convinced your failure was a result of your articles not being republished enough.

                    And if you did get them republished a lot, then your keyword competition was probably much stronger than it should've been and you were never going to rank without an absolute ton of backlinks (more than you could ever hope to achieve within any reasonably short period of time through article republication alone).
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                  • Profile picture of the author bay37
                    Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

                    The offer is still on the table. Follow his method EXACTLY and I will send you $1,000 for the 100 domains that make $50/day.
                    I'll throw in another $1000 on top of that.

                    Originally Posted by DireStraits

                    I just wish people wouldn't point fingers and scream "liar, liar", all the time. Sure, at times it's justified. I just personally don't happen to feel it's justified in this case.
                    I like reading your posts. You seem like a clever guy.

                    I never called him a liar. In my world it's called effective marketing.

                    My post was targeted towards stay-at-home-moms, complete newbies and those who are desperate for cash and/or out of work. They always fall for these marketing tactics and have the most to lose.

                    Just looked through his posts over the last 6 months. He sure seems to change his mind a lot about how many sites he owns/how big they are/how much money he makes per site.
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            • Profile picture of the author redrossero
              Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

              Even his method of submitting a ton of articles to EZA works well providing they get republished. But it takes you submitting TONs of articles EVERY day to be able to bank on getting a good enough portion of them republished enough for a decent amount of backlinks across a diverse range of IPs/domains.
              The point of article marketing for backlinks is this. However, from my experience you see that most, I would say 95%, of sites that republish your articles on their sites are no follow. And in Google it doesn't help you so much no follow, does it? Also, ezinenarticles is not that good for republishing. In my experience Articlebase is better. Maybe that is why people writing 300 articles don't see results in terms of ranking.
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              • Profile picture of the author Brian Johnson
                Hey Gang,

                I love mini sites, I use them to seed my future and it is working very well. I build smart, I give Google what they want and in turn my sites rank well.

                However, it is easy to make poor choices if you are brand new, one potential problem I am currently seeing right now is people using the same darn theme for each site they launch.

                Poor ideas ... very poor.

                What makes matters worse is that hundreds of other people are also using the same exact theme to create their sites as well.

                Hello footprint (easy way for Google to identify sites building using the same mentality or system). If Google decides they do not like these type of sites it is then very easy for Google to find all sites using the same theme and ... pow ... they are all deindexed.

                Also, I give users what they are after ...

                Quality content written by myself or someone I pay well to write quality content, I also add outbound links to others sites (not affiliate links), images, videos and what not.

                This separates my sites from 95% of affiliates today and strengths my trust factor with Google, this results in better rankings and more money in my pocket.

                Today I have close to 1000 domain name.

                I have about 500 to 600 sites online and I will be launching another 100 in the coming months. I also build authority sites with hundreds of pages of content, videos shot by me and what not.

                Both models are sound, if you are building for visitors first, unfortunately today many wannabe marketers are not building for visitors but simply for their own financial gain. I will also mention that I have not had a site deindexed in 3+ years.

                Could it happen, sure ...

                Am I worried, no because over all I am building a solid foundation of quality sites.

                Best,
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                • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
                  Originally Posted by Brian Johnson View Post

                  Hey Gang,

                  I love mini sites, I use them to seed my future and it is working very well. I build smart, I give Google what they want and in turn my sites rank well.

                  However, it is easy to make poor choices if you are brand new, one potential problem I am currently seeing right now is people using the same darn theme for each site they launch.

                  Poor ideas ... very poor.

                  What makes matters worse is that hundreds of other people are also using the same exact theme to create their sites as well.

                  Hello footprint (easy way for Google to identify sites building using the same mentality or system). If Google decides they do not like these type of sites it is then very easy for Google to find all sites using the same theme and ... pow ... they are all deindexed.

                  Also, I give users what they are after ...

                  Quality content written by myself or someone I pay well to write quality content, I also add outbound links to others sites (not affiliate links), images, videos and what not.

                  This separates my sites from 95% of affiliates today and strengths my trust factor with Google, this results in better rankings and more money in my pocket.

                  Today I have close to 1000 domain name.

                  I have about 500 to 600 sites online and I will be launching another 100 in the coming months. I also build authority sites with hundreds of pages of content, videos shot by me and what not.

                  Both models are sound, if you are building for visitors first, unfortunately today many wannabe marketers are not building for visitors but simply for their own financial gain. I will also mention that I have not had a site deindexed in 3+ years.

                  Could it happen, sure ...

                  Am I worried, no because over all I am building a solid foundation of quality sites.

                  Best,
                  Now you are giving people hope and motivation ... I wanted less competition!!
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      • Profile picture of the author culvers
        Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

        The guy had - I believe - literally hundreds of websites. He was cranking out sheer quantities of them very quickly.

        Basically, it's asking for trouble.

        Having a ton of sites like that all tied to one Adsense account, all relatively thin (even if what content there is is decent quality) is becoming risky.

        Google doesn't like people setting up tons of tiny sites. They're obviously questioning why you don't just set up the same overall number of pages on one site (an authority-type site), and the answer is, simply: because you're trying to take shortcuts in gaming their search rankings and leeching as many Adsense clicks as possible via any means possible, in as short a period of time as possible, for as least work as possible.

        Google flat out doesn't like it. They're favoring bigger sites, and in the long run their preference is tailored more towards authority sites. That is a certainty.

        Hell, even XFactor claims to only have 100 "micro" sites and makes between $1-$10/day from each. But most of these people such as BenK seemed to be trying to crank out 100s or even 1000s of sites all earning the bare minimum each.... because it's even faster.

        My personal goal has always been to earn $5-$10/day per site.

        I would suggest people look less at cranking out huge volumes of sites, and more on building out and maximizing the income from the sites they do have.

        It's a slightly slower and steadier approach, but in the long run it's probably safer than constantly cutting corners and trying to rank every single phrase with a single page (or at least an intentionally VERY small site) site on an exact-match or keyword-rich domain.
        You speak sense. I have started intentionally choosing keyword domains that can be built out with lots of related keywords. I then add pages targetted to all the related keywords, some with as few as 100 searches per month. But the size of the site grows with each page, as does the potential pool of visitors. The result is "micro sites" that are growing to 40/50/60 pages, some with the potential to reach hundreds. Now my main problem is how to structure the navigation of these beasts....
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      • Profile picture of the author zapp99
        Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

        Hell, even XFactor claims to only have 100 "micro" sites and makes between $1-$10/day from each. But most of these people such as BenK seemed to be trying to crank out 100s or even 1000s of sites all earning the bare minimum each.... because it's even faster.
        Oh man! I just realized that, if I just rinse and repeat what I did for my #1 site, do it again for another 100 times, like what xfactor did, then i'm more or less set for $100 a day!!! IF I can successfully 'repeat' what I unknowingly did, that is.... oh dammmmnn...
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        Someone pls tell me the logic behind Google ranking my blog at #1 for "stop animal abuse"?

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        • Profile picture of the author SladeK
          Originally Posted by zapp99 View Post

          Oh man! I just realized that, if I just rinse and repeat what I did for my #1 site, do it again for another 100 times, like what xfactor did, then i'm more or less set for $100 a day!!! IF I can successfully 'repeat' what I unknowingly did, that is.... oh dammmmnn...
          One thing Xfactor has stated on this forum a couple of times is that he also has a very large authority site that has well over 1000 pages. I am assuming this site gives him a large amount of income as well.
          In my opinion it is definitely better to diversify the types of sites you put up. If you plan to have 100 micro niche sites, it probably would not be a bad idea to have one or two large authority sites to help give you a little more credibility when/if you account ever does come up for review.
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  • Profile picture of the author chini
    People who build 100 micro sites without some sort of diversification are idiots..
    Firstly to prevent this from happening get,
    - C Class hosting or better yet, have your sites spread out with different hosting companies
    - use namecheap and enable privacy on your domain.
    - Don't just rely on adsense for income, diversify to other areas, like digital products, and CPA.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Originally Posted by chini View Post

      People who build 100 micro sites without some sort of diversification are idiots..
      Firstly to prevent this from happening get,
      - C Class hosting or better yet, have your sites spread out with different hosting companies
      - use namecheap and enable privacy on your domain.
      - Don't just rely on adsense for income, diversify to other areas, like digital products, and CPA.
      I agree, but as long as you use the same Adsense account code on all these sites, this is likely to happen again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by chini View Post

      People who build 100 micro sites without some sort of diversification are idiots..
      Firstly to prevent this from happening get,
      - C Class hosting or better yet, have your sites spread out with different hosting companies
      - use namecheap and enable privacy on your domain.
      - Don't just rely on adsense for income, diversify to other areas, like digital products, and CPA.
      If all of your sites are on the same adsense accounts, it won't matter whether your sites are on 1 IP or 100 IPs.
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      • Profile picture of the author chini
        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        If all of your sites are on the same adsense accounts, it won't matter whether your sites are on 1 IP or 100 IPs.
        That is why i said to diversify, also create more the 1 adsense account.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
          Originally Posted by chini View Post

          That is why i said to diversify, also create more the 1 adsense account.
          Unfortunately, to abide by adsense TOC, you pretty much need to create a new legal entity (i.e., an LLC) for each adsense account. Its not quite as easy as setting up a few blogger accounts:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Bellthorpe
    Well said, bay38. But I fear it's pearls before swine.
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  • Profile picture of the author zoobie
    your blog or site deindexed is probably because there are some dup. posts. I do have blogs that have little contents but they are still in the Google main cache.
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    A site should at least have 20 or so pages in my opinion. What do the SEO guys here think about this?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy123
      xfactor is not the only one doing this,

      Nathan Anderson of nicheatms is promoting this strategy,

      and so is Brian Johnson who bought 300 domains related to halloween,
      put up one page and just let them site, doing no backlinking.

      They are all based on the exact keyword being in the domain,
      no dashes or extra words.

      I think it is not fair to be able to rank high just because the keyword
      is the domain. One of my sites is ranked 3rd with 200+ pages and another
      is ranked 2nd with only 24 pages only because of the keyword in the domain.

      The site was trying to sell the product and has changed to adsense now.
      Maybe it is good to add adsense to these micro-sites after your ranking in the top ten.

      I see more and more keyword domains ranking high, I wonder how long Google will let this loophole last.

      Though it makes sense based on relevance if your site is bigredwidgets.com and you have 25 pages about big red widgets, then one can assume you are an expert on big red widgets, compared to someone who has 5 pages with filenames related to big red widgets.

      I'm for bigger sites because 100 small sites is too much to keep track off.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
        Originally Posted by Jeremy123 View Post

        xfactor is not the only one doing this,

        Nathan Anderson of nicheatms is promoting this strategy,

        and so is Brian Johnson who bought 300 domains related to halloween,
        put up one page and just let them site, doing no backlinking.

        They are all based on the exact keyword being in the domain,
        no dashes or extra words.

        I think it is not fair to be able to rank high just because the keyword
        is the domain. One of my sites is ranked 3rd with 200+ pages and another
        is ranked 2nd with only 24 pages only because of the keyword in the domain.

        The site was trying to sell the product and has changed to adsense now.
        Maybe it is good to add adsense to these micro-sites after your ranking in the top ten.

        I see more and more keyword domains ranking high, I wonder how long Google will let this loophole last.

        Though it makes sense based on relevance if your site is bigredwidgets.com and you have 25 pages about big red widgets, then one can assume you are an expert on big red widgets, compared to someone who has 5 pages with filenames related to big red widgets.

        I'm for bigger sites because 100 small sites is too much to keep track off.
        Loophole? Having your keyword in your domain is part of good on-page/site SEO -- it always has been. If you want the best of the best, then get an EMD.

        The reason that EMDs are so superior in these micro niches, is that very little (relatively speaking) backlinking is done by the competing sites. When you get into niches where sites need thousands and thousands of bakcklinks to rank, the value of an EMD is less pronounced as even with an EMD you still need to do lots of backlinking yourself.

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        • Profile picture of the author RichardBaldock
          Tom, what is an EMD ? thanks
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            Originally Posted by RichardBaldock View Post

            Tom, what is an EMD ? thanks
            Exact Match Domain
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  • Profile picture of the author nossie
    Amount of pages doesnt matter ****, its the content and amount of outbound links to "valuable" places that matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author rehema
    Many peolple are into this and many are still questioning if this can be truth. Thn truth reamain that if you reallly want yo find out you wiulll have to take action.

    Only the actions takers are the one that have been able to see the result that we are looking at now.
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    • Profile picture of the author digidoodles
      Originally Posted by rehema View Post

      Many peolple are into this and many are still questioning if this can be truth. Thn truth reamain that if you reallly want yo find out you wiulll have to take action.

      Only the actions takers are the one that have been able to see the result that we are looking at now.
      And now we must do the needful.
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  • Profile picture of the author WareTime
    I think Ben's blog sums it up best

    "You can argue till you're blue in the face that the quality of your content is so good that your site is not a MFA site. I'll tell you right now, the person inspecting your sites does not give a fxxk about how informative your 4 page site is or the style of your writing. If your site even has a hint that it's MFA site, your entire account and all sites on that adsense account are at risk."

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  • Profile picture of the author kmachine
    All my micro niche sites were deleted today. I have 94 sites and all of them were deleted by G. I`m a real person and my story is real.
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  • Profile picture of the author zapp99
    Oh, and I just realized a few days ago that Google actually disallow crawlers and search engine robots to search my site based on the robots.txt of the site, but why is it that when I Google the keywords, my blog still appears on the search results?

    User-agent: Mediapartners-Google
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    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /search

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    Someone pls tell me the logic behind Google ranking my blog at #1 for "stop animal abuse"?

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  • Profile picture of the author Groovystar
    It is not the size that gets pages deindexed it is the quality. Google likes sincere webpages in its search results not pages set up as quickly and spamtastically as possible. Who wants to find a page full of those when they search for something?
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisGuthrie
      Perhaps one of the best lessons here is that you should try and focus on niche sites that are large enough to support 10+ articles. I think that the sites with less than 5 are always going to be at risk to losing their rank.

      Thoughts?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
        Originally Posted by ChrisGuthrie View Post

        Perhaps one of the best lessons here is that you should try and focus on niche sites that are large enough to support 10+ articles. I think that the sites with less than 5 are always going to be at risk to losing their rank.

        Thoughts?
        I don't think the size of the site is relative to sites being indexed. I believe it has to do with quality of the content, and probably the backlinking methods. There are a number of different reasons for Google to notice 100 micro-niche sites with the same owner.

        Sometimes with very tight niches you can't create more than 10 articles...that doesn't mean you can't provide relevant high quality content (exactly what Google says they want)
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  • Profile picture of the author Bon-Bon
    As Brian said give what google wants. Fulfill their conditions. If they want good quality content let them have it. If they want authority backlinks let them have it, Videos...., etc, etc,......Google is smart. they see those footprints. Some of these short term methods might work initially, but if you want to build a good online empire you have to do exactly what google wants. Think like google and you will do fine
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  • Profile picture of the author RKWebster
    I have found this thread interesting, aspecially since I had a site deindexed by Google recently. I'm trying to figure out why?? It is over 1 year old and was finally starting to get some traffic (30+ per day) and making some money not al ot mind you. It was PR1 and then bam no nore Google search results.

    What is meant by an MFA site?
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    MFA sites are "Made For Advertisements" sites, althougth most people refer to them as "Made For Adsense". They serve no prupose other than to generate advertising revenue for the owner (surely this would apply to most sites?}. They do not provide any contribution to knowledge on the web and have a poor user experience.

    Basicaly it is an extremely ill defined term and it is completely up to the Google employee when he reviews your site. This is what a member of the Google Adsense team told me last year. Things to look out for in MFA sites would be

    1. Poor quiality content i.e. lots of completely duplicate content or extremely poorly written content.
    2. Very few pages
    3. Full of affiliate links
    4. Little images or videos.
    5. Bad navigation and usability
    6. No privavty policy or about us pages

    Basically the list goes on and on and is highly subjective. For example, a one page proxy site may not be considered as an MFA because it provides a function to the web user.

    Derek
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    • Profile picture of the author RKWebster
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      MFA sites are "Made For Advertisements" sites, althougth most people refer to them as "Made For Adsense". They serve no prupose other than to generate advertising revenue for the owner (surely this would apply to most sites?}. They do not provide any contribution to knowledge on the web and have a poor user experience.

      Basicaly it is an extremely ill defined term and it is completely up to the Google employee when he reviews your site. This is what a member of the Google Adsense team told me last year. Things to look out for in MFA sites would be

      1. Poor quiality content i.e. lots of completely duplicate content or extremely poorly written content.
      2. Very few pages
      3. Full of affiliate links
      4. Little images or videos.
      5. Bad navigation and usability
      6. No privavty policy or about us pages

      Basically the list goes on and on and is highly subjective. For example, a one page proxy site may not be considered as an MFA because it provides a function to the web user.

      Derek
      Thanks for the info! Very clear and concise. Is there any way of getting my site back in Google searches after I "clean it up"?
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    100! thats crazy, if he was doing dodgy seo then he probs should have put them under numerous hosts to hopefully avoid that happening.
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