Which one is better? 1 PR5 or 5 PR4

JoshuaGaler

16 years ago

Well as per my knowledge I think the 5 link with PR4 will provide you much better option.

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Fernando Veloso

16 years ago

Are those links in different C Classes? If yes, personally I'd give a go in more links, not just one.

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novintabligh 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Are those links in different C Classes? If yes, personally I'd give a go in more links, not just one.

No, the links are all on the same domain. The PR5 link is the home page of that domain and the 5 PR4 are the internal pages.
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- nitikasnv 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by novintabligh
  
  No, the links are all on the same domain. The PR5 link is the home page of that domain and the 5 PR4 are the internal pages.
  
  What I think is as, it is not on the c classes and on the same domain then, it is better to get the backlink from PR5 home page.
  
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  shaktimaan 16 years ago
  
  Yes get link from Home Page. Its pagerank is real.
  
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- Rukshan 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by novintabligh
  
  No, the links are all on the same domain. The PR5 link is the home page of that domain and the 5 PR4 are the internal pages.
  
  Then try to get the backlink from home page. If you have a chance to get backlinks from different pages from different IP addresses go for it even it has PR1
  
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rypher21

16 years ago

pr 4 represent good rankings, not that far from pr 5..
so havin 5 pr 4 site is much better

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bcwebwise12

16 years ago

Undoubtedly I will go for pr4 5 back links better than pr5 one backlink.

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paulgl 16 years ago

People are forgetting outbound links on the page.

Example:

A link on a PR4 page that has 10 links is worth far
more than a link on a PR5 page that has 100 links.

Do a little math, there's your answer.

Keep in mind that PR is rounded off. That PR4 page
might be very close to PR5, or vice versa.

It's also a good idea to get links from pages with
similar or higher PR. I'd skip PR1 like the plague, unless
I was PR0 or N/A.

Paul
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Bertil Jenner

16 years ago

Considering the 4 links would come from the same domain, then the better approach would clearly be the PR5 link.

Pagerank is not linear. So even if the PR 4 pages were on different domains, I would still choose the PR 5.

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Kaviraj7777

16 years ago

I would strongly suggest you to go with 5 PR4 pages ( Out of my experience ) . And try to make it as a one way link instead of a reciprocal link . Another important thing - dont build it overnight as google will slap your site . Do it gradually over a period of 3 - 4 weeks ( Also do remember to build in genuine sites as there are lots of black listed sites - which will again get your site a slap - best way is to get a link from a same category trusted website )

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paulgl

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kaviraj7777

I would strongly suggest you to go with 5 PR4 pages ( Out of my experience ) . And try to make it as a one way link instead of a reciprocal link . Another important thing - dont build it overnight as google will slap your site . Do it gradually over a period of 3 - 4 weeks ( Also do remember to build in genuine sites as there are lots of black listed sites - which will again get your site a slap - best way is to get a link from a same category trusted website )

That's ridiculous. Ludicrous is more the word.
If you actually have a choice, do the math.
If you don't have a choice, go with the higher PR.

As a matter of fact, there really is no best answer, as
pages, backlinks, and PR is dynamic.

For potential clickout purposes, which pages have the most traffic?

Paul

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adam westrop

16 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

That's ridiculous. Ludicrous is more the word.
If you actually have a choice, do the math.
If you don't have a choice, go with the higher PR.

As a matter of fact, there really is no best answer, as
pages, backlinks, and PR is dynamic.

For potential clickout purposes, which pages have the most traffic?

Paul

Did you read that case study of Terry Kyle on OBL's, seems like they may not have as much of an impact as first thought.

Also what people have to realise, if you wish to get down and dirty into really detailed elements of SEO, then this forum isnt the place, ive found some great answers on some of the more specialise SEO forums... There is so much knowledge on those forums.

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joetheseo

16 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

That's ridiculous. Ludicrous is more the word.
If you actually have a choice, do the math.
If you don't have a choice, go with the higher PR.

As a matter of fact, there really is no best answer, as
pages, backlinks, and PR is dynamic.

For potential clickout purposes, which pages have the most traffic?

Paul

Agreed Paul, these things have so many variables...

... And with that being said,

Do your own testing if you want the REAL truth, just keep building and testing constantly.

I say make your decision, snatch the loot and move on... build more links!

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DaveDunn

16 years ago

This video by Matt Cutts explains everything really

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paulgl 16 years ago

That video is all about blogging, not answering the
question at hand. Blogging has nothing to do with
this thread.

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johnhoefer

16 years ago

Get the 1 PR5 backlink from the home page. Also, Paul with the outbound link question made a good point.

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Biggy Fat

16 years ago

Hell, why not just take them all?

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timpears

16 years ago

Why make a choice? Place your link on all of those pages.

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novintabligh 16 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

Why make a choice? Place your link on all of those pages.

I must buy them, and I do not want to pay too much.
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FredJones

16 years ago

Given an option, I would go with both.

If not then here are the calculations, assuming one of the standard SEO stuff seen in the industry. This is purely my way of approximating and you don't have to believe this if you do not want to

Lets assume that each of these pages have the same number of outbound links. If not, then the number changes. Now please allow me to lay out the way I would do my math.

The standard observation in the SEO industry is that Google PR assumes a log of something between 6 to 7. And this is the assumption that I was talking about earlier.

So, what do you do for the calculations? Lets find the individual strengths of the pages. And in the bad case for you (since I have already calculated in my mind, I already know what is the bad and what is the good case for you in this base case - may not be general due to other reasons that I shall explain), lets take 6 as the base of log.

So power of a basic PR-4 page that does not give out any other backlink is: 6 raised to the power 4 = 1296. By the way, if it does give k backlinks, then the strength comes down approximately to 1296/k, so please modify your calculations in the real case which would make it a bit different from the base case here.

Thus, power of 5 such backlinks: 1296 x 5 = 6480

Power of a basic PR-5 page: 6 raised to the power 5 = 7776

So for a basic case one link of PR-5 is stronger than 5 links of PR-4. By the way, if search engines give less weights to non-IP-diverse links (personlly I think they do give less weights to links from the same IP) then the 6480 number would come down to something lesser but 7776 remains unchanged since it is only 1 backlink anyway.

Now, in the general case, I would look at the total links, and approximate the strength like as follows. It may not be exact, but I believe ought to be practical enough. I am taking your case of 5 versus 1 pages with given PR for this calculation again.

Let x = (1296/k1 + 1296/k2 + 1296/k3 + 1296/k4 + 1926/k5)/d, where k(i) represents the number of total links (in-site + external) in the individual pages and d is the dumping factor dependent upon the number of links that come from the same domain (all in this case, so d will be high and x will fall even smaller).

And y = 7776/k6, where k(6) is the number of total links (in-site + external) in the PR-5 page.

Clearly, chances are much higher in reality that

y > x

unless k6 is too high, or in other words, there are "too many" links on the home page.

Now you surely know what to look for and then decide.

Originally Posted by novintabligh

I am in a difficult decision. I have a possibility to build some backlinks. I have two options: 1- I can build 1 link in a page with PR5 Or 5 link in five pages with PR4

Could you please tell me which one is better?

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Chucky

16 years ago

Originally Posted by FredJones

Given an option, I would go with both.

If not then here are the calculations, assuming one of the standard SEO stuff seen in the industry. This is purely my way of approximating and you don't have to believe this if you do not want to

Lets assume that each of these pages have the same number of outbound links. If not, then the number changes. Now please allow me to lay out the way I would do my math.

The standard observation in the SEO industry is that Google PR assumes a log of something between 6 to 7. And this is the assumption that I was talking about earlier.

So, what do you do for the calculations? Lets find the individual strengths of the pages. And in the bad case for you (since I have already calculated in my mind, I already know what is the bad and what is the good case for you in this base case - may not be general due to other reasons that I shall explain), lets take 6 as the base of log.

So power of a basic PR-4 page that does not give out any other backlink is: 6 raised to the power 4 = 1296. By the way, if it does give k backlinks, then the strength comes down approximately to 1296/k, so please modify your calculations in the real case which would make it a bit different from the base case here.

Thus, power of 5 such backlinks: 1296 x 5 = 6480

Power of a basic PR-5 page: 6 raised to the power 5 = 7776

So for a basic case one link of PR-5 is stronger than 5 links of PR-4. By the way, if search engines give less weights to non-IP-diverse links (personlly I think they do give less weights to links from the same IP) then the 6480 number would come down to something lesser but 7776 remains unchanged since it is only 1 backlink anyway.

Now, in the general case, I would look at the total links, and approximate the strength like as follows. It may not be exact, but I believe ought to be practical enough. I am taking your case of 5 versus 1 pages with given PR for this calculation again.

Let x = (1296/k1 + 1296/k2 + 1296/k3 + 1296/k4 + 1926/k5)/d, where k(i) represents the number of total links (in-site + external) in the individual pages and d is the dumping factor dependent upon the number of links that come from the same domain (all in this case, so d will be high and x will fall even smaller).

And y = 7776/k6, where k(6) is the number of total links (in-site + external) in the PR-5 page.

Clearly, chances are much higher in reality that

y > x

unless k6 is too high, or in other words, there are "too many" links on the home page.

Now you surely know what to look for and then decide.

Thanks Fred, now that's a comprehensive answer.
Compare this answer to the guy who said, build the 4 links over a period of 3-4 weeks, if not you run the risk of getting Google slapped. If you don't know the exact science, silence is golden, speech is silver

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tomjunction

16 years ago

The secong optionis much better. go with it. Build 5 PR4 links for 5 pages as its will give you more benefits compared to the 1 PR5 links. As it will give you more raputation in search engine and will also give more traffic for your site.

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pandorasbox

16 years ago

As far as I know 1 pr 5 is basically same as 5 pr4 but that is based if the pr4 are on different domains. If the one pr5 or 1-4 pr4 are niche same as yours it is worth a lot more.

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eugenedm

16 years ago

that's a good point.But don't forget about the keywords that are relevant in the anchor text. Google calculates the similar keywords to the website's niche

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telugucinimalu 16 years ago

I think 5 with PR 4 is better compare to 1 with PR5.
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dotgirish

16 years ago

a lot to learn from this thread , thanks Gurus . much appreciated

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Brzoza22

16 years ago

I prefer pr4 5

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COBSolutions

16 years ago

Personally, i would go with 5 PR4's, more number of backlinks are much better than just one backlink

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AbbyJustin

Banned 16 years ago

I think build 5links with pr4 bring good result.

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VictoriaXavier

16 years ago

five links of five pages with PR4 is better

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TargetedTrafficSolutions

16 years ago

Its depends on your niche and how you are currently ranking ?

Are you going for a specific keyword ranking boost or are you trying to build overall domain trust and authority ?

How well have you utilized an effective internal linking strategy within your domain ?

How relevant is the linking page / pages to the core targeted keywords (both primary and lsi) of your pages ?

How many outgoing links are currently on the page your getting links from ?

What kind of pages are they linking too ?

What kind of anchor text is being used to link to the other sites ?

Any poison words ?

Does the page scream these are paid links or does it look a lot more covert ?

These are the questions you should be looking at first, then worry about the PR debate....

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Mian

16 years ago

according to me 5PR4 links are great to have instead of 1 PR5.
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Abhinandangarg 16 years ago

For increasing serp go with 5 links from 4 PR page.
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ericdesouza 16 years ago

Well I think both are good but it all depends on the site and how much traffic is there. But most of the preference would be for PR 5 link. It generates more traffic to your site and it also helpful for SERPs too.
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AllanCollins

16 years ago

I guess my question would be: which linking option is more permanent to you?

You never know when a link will be taken off.

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George Curtis

16 years ago

TargetedTrafficSolutions is right. There are many more questions that need to be answered first.

ALSO, many people forget that the link analysis algorithm for PR is derived from a theoretical probability value on a logarithmic scale (much like the RICHTER SCALE). In other words... a PR5 may be many, many times more valuable than a PR4.

That being said...and everything else being equal (outbound links on the pages, relevant pages to your site, same anchor text in all the links, etc)...I would definitely take 1 PR5 over 4 PR4s any day of the week.

Hope this helps.