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PR 3 vs PR 0

by Shaunman
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How much more powerful is a PR 3 link then say a PR 0? If you could get 1 PR 3 link or 1000 PR 0 links which one would you go after?
  • Profile picture of the author Mikedb
    It depends if the PR3 is non related and the 1,000 PR0 are related to your niche.
    If so I would go with 1,000 anytime.

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    • Profile picture of the author Shaunman
      Ok, both are related to your niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikedb
    1,000 spread over time ANYTIME.

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    • Profile picture of the author jverley
      Really depends on alot more then PR. Like how many links on the page your link is one, how many outbound links the site has, what context is around your link... etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shaunman
        Ok, let's assume everything else is equal. The only difference is PR. Which would be better 1 PR 3 or 1000 PR 0?
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  • Profile picture of the author TimScott
    if both links are the same, there relevant, minimum OBL, and do-follow, then go with the thousand built SLOWLY over a few weeks
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  • Profile picture of the author bancs
    I will choose 1000 PR0 links, I also think 100 PR0 is better than 1 PR3
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    • Profile picture of the author Glassjaw009
      Awesome Question! In my experience, you'll want to take the PR3 link. When you get all of these PR0 Links, you'll seldom see advancement from these blogs or sites. When you get a link from a site with some high PR already, you can expect that site to keep growing in PR.

      Also, when you get a link from a bunch of PR0 sites, you're not going to get any referral traffic. If you get the link from the PR3, there's always a possibility that the site will explode with traffic, thus gaining you credibility and referral traffic. In my experience, it's always better to get links from a reputable source. You've got the possibility of referral traffic, viral traffic, higher PR in the future and more.

      It's quality not quantity.

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      • Profile picture of the author webbyworld
        Originally Posted by Glassjaw009 View Post

        Awesome Question! In my experience, you'll want to take the PR3 link. When you get all of these PR0 Links, you'll seldom see advancement from these blogs or sites. When you get a link from a site with some high PR already, you can expect that site to keep growing in PR.

        Also, when you get a link from a bunch of PR0 sites, you're not going to get any referral traffic. If you get the link from the PR3, there's always a possibility that the site will explode with traffic, thus gaining you credibility and referral traffic. In my experience, it's always better to get links from a reputable source. You've got the possibility of referral traffic, viral traffic, higher PR in the future and more.

        It's quality not quantity.

        Thanks,

        Thomas
        I think you're absolutely right! It's always better to have backlinks from a site having PR. A site always consider much trustworthy with having Google PR than a site that does not have any or 0 PR.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimScott
        True to a certain extent, but there are also tons of PR0 sites that get a lot of traffic, and will eventually gain PR in the future

        Originally Posted by Glassjaw009 View Post

        Awesome Question! In my experience, you'll want to take the PR3 link. When you get all of these PR0 Links, you'll seldom see advancement from these blogs or sites. When you get a link from a site with some high PR already, you can expect that site to keep growing in PR.

        Also, when you get a link from a bunch of PR0 sites, you're not going to get any referral traffic. If you get the link from the PR3, there's always a possibility that the site will explode with traffic, thus gaining you credibility and referral traffic. In my experience, it's always better to get links from a reputable source. You've got the possibility of referral traffic, viral traffic, higher PR in the future and more.

        It's quality not quantity.

        Thanks,

        Thomas
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Originally Posted by Shaunman View Post

    How much more powerful is a PR 3 link then say a PR 0? If you could get 1 PR 3 link or 1000 PR 0 links which one would you go after?
    You would need to ask Google to get an exact number, but i can tell you that it's
    NOT simply like "PR5 is five time as as strong PR1"!

    There is actually a formula which can give an idea about "link strength", it factors in PR, OBL (number of outbound links).

    It's Link Strength = (PR +1)^3 * 4 / OBL

    Eg. if we take a PR1 site it could result in a link strength of only 32 - but for a PR5 site the formula would result in 864!

    There are other factors which decide link strength, for example domain age, dofollow/nofollow etc....factors we simply do not know for sure and can only assume.

    But the above formula can be used to get an idea about how "strong" a link is. You will also see that it can very often happen that a lower PR backlink can be "stronger" than a higher PR backlink, simply because the lower PR link could have less outbound links.

    As for your "PR0" site...PR0 is very weak, and i would take the PR3. But for the sake of making the link building look natural i would also mix some PR0 in. But i think 1000 PR0 sites only simply would not be too good. Why would a site gain 1000 "low value" links but not a single "good" one?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      You would need to ask Google to get an exact number, but i can tell you that it's
      NOT simply like "PR5 is five time as as strong PR1"!

      There is actually a formula which can give an idea about "link strength", it factors in PR, OBL (number of outbound links).

      It's Link Strength = (PR +1)^3 * 4 / OBL

      Eg. if we take a PR1 site it could result in a link strength of only 32 - but for a PR5 site the formula would result in 864!

      There are other factors which decide link strength, for example domain age, dofollow/nofollow etc....factors we simply do not know for sure and can only assume.

      But the above formula can be used to get an idea about how "strong" a link is. You will also see that it can very often happen that a lower PR backlink can be "stronger" than a higher PR backlink, simply because the lower PR link could have less outbound links.

      As for your "PR0" site...PR0 is very weak, and i would take the PR3. But for the sake of making the link building look natural i would also mix some PR0 in. But i think 1000 PR0 sites only simply would not be too good. Why would a site gain 1000 "low value" links but not a single "good" one?
      That's pretty good analysis.

      I'd say that 1,000 PR0 links are quite worthless.
      Well, not worthless, but sure would be a waste of time.

      In fact, you should skip trying for any PR0, let alone 1,000!

      I can't even fathom why anyone would even have 1,000 PR0
      links in their imagination.

      Do this stuff right people, the first time.

      What on earth do you think a PR0 site is going to do for you?
      Click thru traffic? Hardly.

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      • Profile picture of the author Nikola82
        I have one webpage that's on page 1 on google and it's PR5,
        recently i placed link on it to my new webpage.
        Does it mean that PR5 equates to 800+ PR0 links ?
        P.S. that's only link that i have on my PR5 page.
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        • Profile picture of the author Shaunman
          It's Link Strength = (PR +1)^3 * 4 / OBL
          Very Cool, where did you get this formula BTW.


          I'd prefer 1000 PR 0. You can't predict the future. That 1 PR 3 link can be dropped to 1 PR 2, 1 PR 1, or even 1 PR 0 link (PR drops happen a lot of times). Meanwhile your 1000 PR 0 can't be dropped to 1000 PR -1 In the future you can expect at least the same or better. It'll be fantastic if some of them can gain PR in the future.
          Very true PR 0 links have no where to go but up.

          I have one webpage that's on page 1 on google and it's PR5,
          recently i placed link on it to my new webpage.
          Does it mean that PR5 equates to 800+ PR0 links ?
          P.S. that's only link that i have on my PR5 page.
          That one link alone will skyrocket your new sites PR. I added a link to my new site from one of my site PR 3 (now PR 2 ) and it seems to have gotten Google's attension. I can only imagine what a PR 5 link would have done.
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          • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
            Originally Posted by Shaunman View Post

            Very Cool, where did you get this formula BTW.
            Linkdiagnosis.com. They use this formula to calculate link strength of a given backlink.
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        • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
          Originally Posted by Nikola82 View Post

          I have one webpage that's on page 1 on google and it's PR5,
          recently i placed link on it to my new webpage.
          Does it mean that PR5 equates to 800+ PR0 links ?
          P.S. that's only link that i have on my PR5 page.
          Well..."roughly" yes...although those numbers are certainly only estimates. It just cannot be an exact science since we simply do not know all the factors Google takes into account.

          But, without a question, a PR5 backlink *especially if its the only out-link* is extremely strong!
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

            Well..."roughly" yes...although those numbers are certainly only estimates. It just cannot be an exact science since we simply do not know all the factors Google takes into account.

            But, without a question, a PR5 backlink *especially if its the only out-link* is extremely strong!
            Yeah that's the kicker. I would still rather be the 100th link on a PR5 page
            than one link on a PR0.

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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            If what I had was a fairly new site - I would definitely take 1000 RELATED PR0 links. If those are new sites that's worth far more than one PR3.

            I've done that with new sites and it worked out great. I traded links with a lot of PR0 sites - the only thing I looked for was that they were in the same general (or related) niche as my sites and they were real sites, not just a sales page or one page site.

            I added 500-600 such links (and it was not fun) - and over the next two years many of those sites did stay at PR0....but many of them began to move up in rank. At the end of two years I had about 200 links from sites that were PR3-PR6, a few dozen more that were PR2 - and my own sites were PR4 and PR5.

            If you think about it - it makes sense.

            GeorgR is right about how rank works. Each rank you move up requires much more effort than the rank before.

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            • Profile picture of the author paulgl
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              I added 500-600 such links (and it was not fun) - and over the next two years many of those sites did stay at PR0....but many of them began to move up in rank. At the end of two years I had about 200 links from sites that were PR3-PR6, a few dozen more that were PR2 - and my own sites were PR4 and PR5.

              kay
              I don't disagree with your dynamics. For most of us, me included, I don't have a ton of time.
              I need to add as many high PR links as possible. If I look at your stats right,
              your efforts paid off a little under 50% or so. Not bad. And when I posted
              my reply above, I had in the back of mind a percentage of about 10% of
              those initial PR0 sites sticking around and helping.

              But the question was hypothetical, and I'd rather get the higher PR now
              just for my own personal needs. And in that respect I just can't see how
              the time to get 1,000 PR0 links is worth it.

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                • Profile picture of the author paulgl
                  Originally Posted by saviourdlima View Post

                  The trouble in deciding whether it's a PR penalty or just an error is that Google's PR demotions often seem to affect the toolbar only, with no change in ranking. That seems to mean there's no change in real, behind-the-scenes PR. In other words, it's a way to hurt people who are "selling PR" by scaring away customers with a lowered visible PR.
                  If your traffic doesn't take a dive, then it could be either a toolbar bug OR one of these "window dressing" PR demotions and there's no easy way to tell.
                  That's one heck of a spam bot.

                  And the others? Pure fantasy about spamming links.
                  You want to build as fast as humanly possible.

                  In fact, to turn this nonsense:
                  1 PR3 link from a relevant page may look natural. 1000 irrelevant PR0 links will look like spam. It's your choice. Feel free to give Google a strong spam signal, it helps the rest of us
                  Please don't build links fast. It helps the rest of us.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post


      There is actually a formula which can give an idea about "link strength", it factors in PR, OBL (number of outbound links).

      It's Link Strength = (PR +1)^3 * 4 / OBL
      People sure do love formulas. Merely stating a formula makes some people take something as the gospel truth

      I'm going to have to disagree with this. I have seen time and time again sites getting pretty much all of their link juice from higher PR sites (often just 1 PR higher, i.e., a PR5 site linking to a PR4 site), where the OBL is in the hundreds and sometimes >1000. I know the whole OBL thing has been spread around a lot, but repitition does not make something true

      This has come from looking at tons of sites (and buying some of them) for domain purchasing purposes.

      In any event, even if there was some slight diminution of out-bound link power, I think its pretty clear that the link power is simply not divided by the # of OBLs.

      That is, 100 PR5 links on pages with 100 OBLs is much stronger than 10 PR5 links on pages with 10 OBLs, which is much stronger than 1 PR5 link on a page with 1 OBL.
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  • Profile picture of the author susinggih
    I'd prefer 1000 PR 0. You can't predict the future. That 1 PR 3 link can be dropped to 1 PR 2, 1 PR 1, or even 1 PR 0 link (PR drops happen a lot of times). Meanwhile your 1000 PR 0 can't be dropped to 1000 PR -1 In the future you can expect at least the same or better. It'll be fantastic if some of them can gain PR in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedEvo
    1 PR3 link from a relevant page may look natural. 1000 irrelevant PR0 links will look like spam. It's your choice. Feel free to give Google a strong spam signal, it helps the rest of us

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    • Profile picture of the author Shaunman
      1 PR3 link from a relevant page may look natural. 1000 irrelevant PR0 links will look like spam. It's your choice. Feel free to give Google a strong spam signal, it helps the rest of us
      I don't think so, considering that it is natural to get a bunch of links here and there as your stuff becomes popular and considering that 99.99% of web pages are PR 0, getting a lot of PR 0 pages linking to you is probably pretty common.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooluks
    Originally Posted by Shaunman View Post

    How much more powerful is a PR 3 link then say a PR 0? If you could get 1 PR 3 link or 1000 PR 0 links which one would you go after?
    Depends. I can see PR 0 ranking than that PR 3 ranking in search results. Also in the niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by cooluks View Post

      Depends. I can see PR 0 ranking than that PR 3 ranking in search results. Also in the niche.
      That's because PR is not the main thing for SERPs.
      You can rank with a PR n/a.

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  • Profile picture of the author Oling
    I am not fan o formulas but this is great information to know. But the upside chances of making these 1000 links from PR0 sites is very much a reality to me while a simple pr3 link can go down in page rank anytime... leaving you with much less juice.
    As most of the experts here have said, nobody really knows what is the real formula that Big G uses and other SE's. So personally I will go with the one with 1000 links.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
      Originally Posted by Oling View Post

      while a simple pr3 link can go down in page rank anytime...
      In addition, it obviously is much easier to "lose" ONE link versus 1000. The only permanent links are links on domains that you own.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

        In addition, it obviously is much easier to "lose" ONE link versus 1000. The only permanent links are links on domains that you own.
        That sounds logical, if all things were equal. Those 1000 PR0 might be junk.
        I'd rather take my chance on a PR3 site with a track record.

        In fact, that's what I do without thinking. Seek out pages with track records
        and good history.

        I don't even get 1000 backlinks, actually. Never had to. I get a dozen or less
        high PR backlinks to start, then 1 or 2 during intervals. People need to concentrate
        on quality, not quantity.

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        • Profile picture of the author Shaunman
          I don't even get 1000 backlinks, actually. Never had to. I get a dozen or less
          high PR backlinks to start, then 1 or 2 during intervals. People need to concentrate
          on quality, not quantity.
          How do you get these links? Any tips. I have been building links for a long time but I can't seem to figure out how to get links from pages with a high PR.

          Even if I build a squidoo or hubpage they are still on PR 0 pages.
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    I would go with the 1000 and keep building
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  • Profile picture of the author johnalbert
    defiantly Pr 3 becz p3 link has enough link juice it does't matter that it is related or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author jason_simpson
    Originally Posted by Shaunman View Post

    How much more powerful is a PR 3 link then say a PR 0? If you could get 1 PR 3 link or 1000 PR 0 links which one would you go after?
    I mostly dont consider PR as the main criteria for generating backlinks. The most important thing in my opinion is Relevancy, so I would go for a PR 0 relevant backlink than a non-relevant PR 3 backlink.
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