Link juice from site on same server?

by DavidO
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I want to set up a site on a mature domain I have parked and use it as a one-way backlink to my sales site. Is any potential link juice from this site degraded if it's with the same host and VPS server as the site it's linking to?

If so, is the backlink from this type of site worth the $5 or so per month it will take to host it independently?

The site is only PR0 (maybe PR1 but I can't check it when parked) but it's aged 3 years, has my main keywords in the domain name and will have relevant, quality content.

Relevance is said to be a pretty important factor so I'm wondering what the value of this link would be in both situations: on same host/server or at another location.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    In my experience no. Google looks at the domain not the IP address.
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidO
    Thanks, Jazbo. So you're saying I'm okay to put it on the same host?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      The killer to this myth is gasbuddy.com
      They have 200+ domains, all for domains like
      texasgasprices.com, with every state and major city filled in.
      All are #1 for the niche, all interlinked, all on same server.

      That's not even mentioning wiki-this or that. All official wikipedia
      sites are on the same server. Like wikimedia.org, etc. 800
      domains on the same server to be exact. Does not matter
      because of that "trust" factor.

      Subdomains are treated as a different domain.

      People who get zapped are doing bad things. Do bad things,
      you get zapped. Trying to schmooze google by using different
      IPs, while still doing the wrong things, you will get zapped.

      Doing good things and using multiple IPs is a choice, not a must.

      I have found one dang good web host and I'm not going to change
      until said person goes out of business. All my sites are on the same
      server, all interlinked. You'd be a fool not to. But then, I follow google.
      I listen to them. I believe them. Call me a fool, but I've seen too many
      people here who could care less what google says. Okay, off course.
      My sites are even on servers with gambling and adult sites.

      If you are not breaking any google guidelines, one IP does not matter.
      In fact, most people have no clue as to how IPs work anyway. If they
      did, they would realize, logically, it really does not matter.

      Your blogspot blogs are on servers with 3,000+ others.

      You can check how many sites are on one server here:
      Reverse IP Lookup - Find Other Web Sites Hosted on a Web Server


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      • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        The killer to this myth is gasbuddy.com
        They have 200+ domains, all for domains like
        texasgasprices.com, with every state and major city filled in.
        All are #1 for the niche, all interlinked, all on same server.

        That's not even mentioning wiki-this or that. All official wikipedia
        sites are on the same server. Like wikimedia.org, etc. 800
        domains on the same server to be exact. Does not matter
        because of that "trust" factor.

        Subdomains are treated as a different domain.

        People who get zapped are doing bad things. Do bad things,
        you get zapped. Trying to schmooze google by using different
        IPs, while still doing the wrong things, you will get zapped.

        Doing good things and using multiple IPs is a choice, not a must.

        I have found one dang good web host and I'm not going to change
        until said person goes out of business. All my sites are on the same
        server, all interlinked. You'd be a fool not to. But then, I follow google.
        I listen to them. I believe them. Call me a fool, but I've seen too many
        people here who could care less what google says. Okay, off course.
        My sites are even on servers with gambling and adult sites.

        If you are not breaking any google guidelines, one IP does not matter.
        In fact, most people have no clue as to how IPs work anyway. If they
        did, they would realize, logically, it really does not matter.

        Your blogspot blogs are on servers with 3,000+ others.

        You can check how many sites are on one server here:
        Reverse IP Lookup - Find Other Web Sites Hosted on a Web Server


        Paul
        I like you Paul because you make me not have to type as much...lol Good post as always !
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        • You are begging Google To review the registar records and issues a devaluation of links if not a penalty if you host everything that your interlinking on the same server, if your serious about interlinking you need to not only use different servers but different C-Block Ip addresses, I think I read someone else say that "Google looks at domains not IP addresses" NOTHING could be farther from the truth.

          If you are looking for a decent affordable solution I would suggest set up your domains through 1and1.com (private reg is free ) and SEO Host for hosting on separate IP Address...

          Best of luck, send me a PM if you need anymore help.

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          • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
            So what about wikipedia or the gas prices example above? You'd think that the 200+ domains with first page rankings all interlinked would have caught google's attention right?
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          • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
            Originally Posted by TargetedTrafficSolutions View Post

            You are begging Google To review the registar records and issues a devaluation of links if not a penalty if you host everything that your interlinking on the same server
            Sorry, but the good folks at icanhascheezburger.com, TechCrunch, Sony, gasbuddy.com, creditcards.com and thousands of other companies and individuals who run multiple sites didn't get your memo.

            You might prefer this guy's SEO methods though...


            His methods will make your sites a magnet for Google Luv.
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            • Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

              Sorry, but the good folks at icanhascheezburger.com, TechCrunch, Sony, gasbuddy.com, creditcards.com and thousands of other companies and individuals who run multiple sites didn't get your memo.

              You might prefer this guy's SEO methods though...

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              His methods will make your sites a magnet for Google Luv.

              Their Multi Million Dollar Monthly Paid Marketing Contracts Don't Hurt Either, Plus dont forget those links are not doing all that much for them, its all the other work their in house teams are working on that is giving them what they need.

              There are tons of example's of other sites interlinking that are doing well, for the following reasons?

              #1 Google has not discovered it yet and the indexers of their system have not bothered to deal with it yet, They will lose rankings when they do and Google Caffeine ensures it will happen quicker than before.

              #2 The links are old and of obvious value, and not viewed as being manipulative in nature, the links will count but are still devalued, if they were hosted on separate C-Class IP's they would be receiving far more value.

              #3 Their link graph of other external links is what's powering the sites overall rankings and the interlinking is not even worth measuring for it's positive or potential negative value. ( Whens the last time your domain received and average of several hundred thematically relevant links on a weekly bases from places like the BBC, Cnet, CNN, etc, etc....

              #4 Bottom-line if they were from other C-Class Ip Blocks the advantage and page juice past would be greater.


              But everyone is welcome to doing things the way they like, to be brutally honest with you the more people that do things incorrectly benefits our own army of sites and our clients sites, as overcoming often simple and amateur mistakes such as the debate above ensures that firms like my own and many others quality seo's look great in the eyes or our clients and having passive income streams that generate several hundred K a month for very little effort makes my life a hell of a lot easier...

              So my recommendation is never listen to a single thing I have to post about, everyone else it completely correct, oh and thanks for making my job even easier and giving me a lot more time to drive my selection of fun cars... My current favorite is my DBS which was actually paid for by a few simple CPA offers that took no more than 6 months to generate enough to pay cash and maybe 30 hours of work on my part...

              Best of luck everyone....
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              • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
                Originally Posted by TargetedTrafficSolutions View Post

                not viewed as being manipulative in nature
                You figured it out but yet you still insist on peddling your hot foot powder and rooster foot charms about Class-C IP addresses and such?

                Basically, it is quite natural to promote a new site from another site you own. Corporations big and small do it all the time. Individuals do it. There is considerable evidence that shows that this is no longer a significant ranking factor, if it ever was, and it should be one that will continue to diminish given the ongoing shortage of IP addresses and the increasing amount of cloud computing options.

                Bottom line, scaring people into buying something using an imaginary threat is a good sales tactic. Go ahead and do it with you naive clients if you want but don't expect us to believe you.
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                • Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post


                  Bottom line, scaring people into buying something using an imaginary threat is a good sales tactic. Go ahead and do it with you naive clients if you want but don't expect us to believe you.
                  As posted above I could care less what people believe, and for the record I cant think of many SEO's that would take on clients that couldn't afford $20 a year for a domain name and separate hosting...

                  Penny Wise and Pound Foolish are clients I don't work with, results are what they are after, cost doesn't really matter...

                  India has an entire army of workers that take care of penny pinching amateurs, and I am grateful for them as I don't need to waste my time with cost sensitive potential time wasting phone calls, meeting and BS...

                  So I would officially like to thank India for they're effective filtering process....
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                  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
                    Originally Posted by TargetedTrafficSolutions View Post

                    As posted above I could care less what people believe, and for the record I cant think of many SEO's that would take on clients that couldn't afford $20 a year for a domain name and separate hosting...
                    Most real corporate clients have their own datacenters, either on-site, co-located or managed by a trusted third party. They (meaning their IT departments) strongly resist purchasing hosting outside of their control. It's not the $20 that's a problem, it's the corporate politics of the thing. If you can bust through that with a BS sales scare tactic, great, more power to you, but I do hope you do understand that is simply a BS sales scare tactic that doesn't have basis in reality.

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                    • Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

                      Most real corporate clients have their own datacenters, either on-site, co-located or managed by a trusted third party. They (meaning their IT departments) strongly resist purchasing hosting outside of their control. It's not the $20 that's a problem, it's the corporate politics of the thing. If you can bust through that with a BS sales scare tactic, great, more power to you, but I do hope you do understand that is simply a BS sales scare tactic that doesn't have basis in reality.

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                      You really do make a lot of assumptions, I don't recall stating that all my clients were fortune 500's... I am done playing with your pettiness, good luck playing around trying to be "big little man on campus" in the forums as by the number of posts you clearly do... At least someone has a ton of excess time, I am sure the community appreciates it...

                      For some reason you come across as one of those "tough behind a keyboard types"... Just because you got your ass kicked around the playground all your life doesn't mean everyone is out to get you...

                      Best of luck jack ass, and I hope for your own sake you get a life a somepoint....
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                • Profile picture of the author paulgl
                  Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

                  You figured it out but yet you still insist on peddling your hot foot powder and rooster foot charms about Class-C IP addresses and such?
                  I have been calling that voodoo SEO. This part of the forum is filled to the
                  brim with voodoo SEO. There is a magic list that keeps growing. Full of
                  such nonsense. For each item on the list, you have a guru peddling it.

                  When you point out the list is full of crapola, in a very nice matter of fact
                  way, you get called all sorts of names. That's why sometimes I turn around
                  and put a bite back into my comments.

                  Some of these threads I have to ignore because I just get bear-baited into
                  making responses. Let the people waste their time and money on voodoo
                  SEO. Problem is, this forum has been very, very good to me. Just trying
                  to pass a little knowledge back. The more real SEO you talk about, the
                  more disbelief there seems to be. Go figure.

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                  • Profile picture of the author DavidO
                    Well, I'm glad to see my post stirring a little debate...

                    Thanks for all your opinions!
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  • Profile picture of the author Groovystar
    I second this. One of my own rivals gets almost all their link juice from a single link to their parent site, they themselves being a subdomain of Wetpaint. And before we moved from our old free host we were getting most of ours through link exchanges with other very similar sites on the same host. We took those links with us when we moved, of course, but are no longer on the same server so it isn't an example anymore, but I know that a good few of those sites in our exchange group are up to a PR 4 almost exclusively from links with other sites on that same free host.

    ...Oh, as an aside? I think there are more than 3000+ blogs on blogspot...try like, I dunno, million or so? XD
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    • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
      Originally Posted by Groovystar View Post


      ...Oh, as an aside? I think there are more than 3000+ blogs on blogspot...try like, I dunno, million or so? XD
      He said on the same server.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Thanks Jacob...Yes, same server. They put 2-3,000 on a server, which
        I think is the norm to max out at.

        gasbuddy.com is a case study as to how to monopolize a niche with
        a zillion domains.

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