Question about link wheels

16 years ago

Originally Posted by nsjaqson

I'm trying to build a link wheel/pyramid like this: http://senuke.com/bubblus_RandURL.jpg

My question is what sites should I use for my 1st tier sites? Are there any 2.0 article sites that will give better results than others? I'm only looking to increase PR not get new visitors.

This BS is a waste of time. Instead, I suggest you spend your time working for money and invest it in getting high quality links. This will hep your SEO much more.

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HunterSnake

16 years ago

Don't bother. Websites that participate in link exchange programs or pyramid schemes end up losing everything. Stay away from the "quick fix" to SEO. It will ALWAYS hurt in the end.

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bhartzer

16 years ago

Not only should you invest our time in getting higher quality links, it's more about investing in higher quality content.

If you have high quality content, people will share it with others.

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PhilipSEO 16 years ago

Originally Posted by bhartzer

If you have high quality content, people will share it with others.

This is not true. The web is already filled with high quality content, and life is too short for it. Now, truly outstanding content that fills specific information needs -- that's a whole different story. If you can make content that is much, much better than all the competing content on the Web, then you're golden. Otherwise just get links.
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sousen

16 years ago

It's will give you more profit if you jsut do off page link building compare then that. jsut do simply Directory Submission, Blog post, Forum posting, Social bookmarking etc you wil get more profit then that

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PhilipSEO 16 years ago

Originally Posted by sousen

jsut do simply Directory Submission, Blog post, Forum posting, Social bookmarking etc you wil get more profit then that

All these are low-level, bottom-feeding SEO techniques. They are better than nothing but will not create great results for you if your market is at all competitive. If you have any budget for SEO, the best thing you can do is get high quality trusted backlinks.
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bhartzer

16 years ago

This is not true. The web is already filled with high quality content, and life is too short for it. Now, truly outstanding content that fills specific information needs -- that's a whole different story. If you can make content that is much, much better than all the competing content on the Web, then you're golden. Otherwise just get links.

That's where you need to distinguish yourself. That's where a niche comes into play.

Find some niche that doesn't have a lot of content and create it. Create content that isn't found elsewhere. OR pay for someone to create it for you. It does not have to be outstanding content, just something that can't be easily found elsewhere. I have a site that's about a particular city. There are no other websites with content about that city. So I get all the links. Even from GOV sites and EDUs. It's not the best content, but it's the ONLY content out there.

The problem with link building, though, is that you either have to identify the very best links to get (which is getting more and more difficult every day) using some "link tool", or you have to create those links: and then we're back to creating content, just to create links to your site.

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PhilipSEO

16 years ago

Originally Posted by bhartzer

That's where you need to distinguish yourself. That's where a niche comes into play.

Absolutely! The problem though is that the OP apparently already is working in a specific niche / market.

The problem with link building, though, is that you either have to identify the very best links to get (which is getting more and more difficult every day) using some "link tool", or you have to create those links: and then we're back to creating content, just to create links to your site.

There is a third way: to engage a professional who has access to high quality links. Links are what keeps us SEO pros in business: everything else can be done by oneself.

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bhartzer

16 years ago

If you have any budget for SEO, the best thing you can do is get high quality trusted backlinks.

You have to start somewhere, though. If you don't have a $1000+ budget or even a $100+ budget then you're pretty much left to spending the time to build content or go after bottom-feeding low quality links, right?

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sdkWriter

16 years ago

OP noted that she/he was "only looking to increase PR not get new visitors."

One way to increase PR is to have one-way links from high-PR sites point to your site.
The backlinks have to be on the main domain page, for best results.

There are a few warriors here offering up a package of high PR blogs, and your posts might stay on the front page for about a week or so. The optimal way, of course is to have a backlink sitting on that front page as long as possible.

Does this process work? Yes, as we have tested this three times in the past. We took a brand new domain, added 12 original posts, then placed posts on a PR 3, PR 4 and PR 4 site with a single backlink on each of the high PR sites pointing back to our new domain. At the next Google PR update, our results were: first site got PR 3; the second site got PR 2; the third site got PR 4 (but this may be because other sites found it and linked back to it voluntarily). As with all results, YMMV.

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PhilipSEO

16 years ago

Originally Posted by sdkWriter

There are a few warriors here offering up a package of high PR blogs, and your posts might stay on the front page for about a week or so. The optimal way, of course is to have a backlink sitting on that front page as long as possible.

Does this process work? Yes, as we have tested this three times in the past. We took a brand new domain, added 12 original posts, then placed posts on a PR 3, PR 4 and PR 4 site with a single backlink on each of the high PR sites pointing back to our new domain. At the next Google PR update, our results were: first site got PR 3; the second site got PR 2; the third site got PR 4 (but this may be because other sites found it and linked back to it voluntarily). As with all results, YMMV.

I agree that this method works both for rankings and for increasing PR. Can you tell me more about the offers here? I am still relatively new. Thanks!

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bhartzer

16 years ago

engage a professional who has access to high quality links

True, but you still are paying someone for the links (or someone to get them for you). Lots of people still don't have the money to hire someone else to do the link building for them.

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PhilipSEO

16 years ago

Originally Posted by bhartzer

True, but you still are paying someone for the links (or someone to get them for you). Lots of people still don't have the money to hire someone else to do the link building for them.

This should not be a problem if the business model is sound. If your product and service doesn't sell, any SEO is a waste of resources. But if the business model is sound, the right kind of SEO will enable you to recover your expenses and make profits. That's the whole point of doing SEO.

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bhartzer

16 years ago

Does this process work? Yes, as we have tested this three times in the past.

Testing something 3 times isn't enough testing in order to prove something works.

Or you could put up a youtube video and link it back to your site, promoting the heck out of that youtube video. Much faster with a lot less effort.

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timpears

16 years ago

Chasing PR is a waste of time. PR does not put cash in your pocket. Getting a high position in the search results is the only thing you need, and PR has little effect on that. Take the advice of the folks that commented above, and get some good links, and don't worry about PR. PR will come as a result of doing good, over time.

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PhilipSEO

16 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

Chasing PR is a waste of time. PR does not put cash in your pocket. Getting a high position in the search results is the only thing you need, and PR has little effect on that. Take the advice of the folks that commented above, and get some good links, and don't worry about PR. PR will come as a result of doing good, over time.

Most people who "chase PR" sell links or have a listings directory.

That said, PR does have a moderate positive non-random correlation with rankings. SEOmoz tested this recently. Google itself say PR is a ranking factor, one of many. Why would you doubt it?

Some of us SEOs suspect (without knowing for sure) that rankings, roughly put, are relevancy times PR. Which is why a highly relevant page with a low PR can outranking a high PR but less relevant page.

The chief value of a hight PR is that it ensures the indexation of your inner pages and keeps them in the main results as opposed to the supplementary). The latter is less clear now that Caffeine has been rolled out, but I imagine it is still the case in some shape or form.

In a word, PR matters more than some assume. There is no need to be fixated on it blindly, but it's not nothing either.

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bhartzer

16 years ago

Chasing PR is a waste of time.

I totally agree, I think I uninstalled that google toolbar like 4 or 5 years ago.

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jasonl70

16 years ago

well, I'm going to disagree with everyone here. That basic link structure works, and works well.
While I prefer using my own sites in tier 1, this structure should push some serious juice to your money site. If you are going to use web2.0 type sites for it, I would just make sure that the sites you choose have a good record of getting their user's pages indexed (grab your rss from them and ping away).