What do you need to do to rank for a term...

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Warriors, what does one need to do to rank for an exact term searched between 100,000 to 150,000 times in Google?

Have you tried to rank for such terms? what were the results? What did you learn? Please share all you can...

P.S. After ranking for one, I seem to be failing to rank for others despite having more SEO experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Web Warrior
    One thing I forgot to mention above, these keywords do have a good amount of competition on them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
        Id have to agree. It depends on what your ranking for. If the keywords are not very popular/ competitive..and your domain name has keywords in it, meta is good and content is good..then 50 backlinks could do the trick to get up there..however if their really competitive keywords then...it takes time

        btw im just guessing on the amount of backlinks..it really depends on the quality of links..not quantity
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  • Profile picture of the author Quentin
    A good post in a wordpress site with appropriate keywords and ranking will do it everytime.

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    • Profile picture of the author Web Warrior
      Originally Posted by Quentin View Post

      A good post in a wordpress site with appropriate keywords and ranking will do it everytime.

      Budget Can Mug no 1
      About 1,030,000 results (0.26 seconds)

      promotionalmugsandglassware.com.au/budget-can-mug-for-your-business/

      Quentin
      OK, anyone else?
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  • Profile picture of the author kmckillop
    Originally Posted by Web Warrior View Post

    Warriors, what does one need to do to rank for an exact term searched between 100,000 to 150,000 times in Google?

    Have you tried to rank for such terms? what were the results? What did you learn? Please share all you can...
    That's not enough information to come up with any real answer. How many people search for that term is irrelevant to ranking. It's entirely how well fortified the top sites are (PR, Backlinks, Age, etc). You could easily get into the top 3 with a simple page and 15 backlinks in one market. In other markets with much stiffer competition, that wouldn't do squat.

    You need to analyze the sites that are ahead of you. How many back links (from what sites, what is their PR, what is the anchor text), domain age, PR etc.

    I've just got a site of mine to number 6 for a local keyword. Has about 60,500 searches per month. I have absolutely no backlinks at all yet.

    That worked because the ones I outranked had no optimization at all, easy to beat.
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    • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
      I'm curious...how did you do that..To me it doesnt really make sense if there is that much traffic 60,500 searches per month then you'd think the sites do SEO...
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      • Profile picture of the author suffolkman
        You can use a software tool like Traffic Travis to analysis if the top 20 competitors are to strong to rank for the term you are after.

        The free version does the trick.

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      • Profile picture of the author Web Warrior
        People, thanks!

        I got what you're saying. I don't really analyze the top sites of a niche very well before going for it, that is because I mostly only work in niches I am interested in.

        But to tell you those top 3-4 sites are really authority ones. Having said that, I will still love some unique ideas for ranking in the top 3.
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        • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
          Well do the usual..blog posting, forum posting, url submissions, blog submissions, rss feed submissions, unique content, fix meta...etc
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      • Profile picture of the author kmckillop
        Originally Posted by connorbringas View Post

        I'm curious...how did you do that..To me it doesnt really make sense if there is that much traffic 60,500 searches per month then you'd think the sites do SEO...
        It really has nothing to do with how much search traffic there is. If you happen to find a market that just doesn't have any sites that have been optimized well, it doesn't take much to surpass them.

        The sites that currently rank for my keyword, only rank because their site is the best of the worst. Nobody in that market has taken the time to do any SEO for that term.

        A local auto market is where I've managed to do this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    It depends on so much. Like Alexa said, I would look at your competiton. If you are a new site trying to outrank PR7 and above sites for the word "Computers," good luck!

    There are so many factors involved, IE: backlinks, domain age, quality of comp., other off page SEO and on page SEO ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Will P
    Originally Posted by Web Warrior View Post

    Warriors, what does one need to do to rank for an exact term searched between 100,000 to 150,000 times in Google?

    Have you tried to rank for such terms? what were the results? What did you learn? Please share all you can...

    P.S. After ranking for one, I seem to be failing to rank for others despite having more SEO experience.
    I find it to be quite simple IMHO as I have put many website (even turnkeys!) with little to no backlinks on Google for terms up to 50+million results by simply completing the following steps...

    1. Keyword related domain (not required just helps get the serps up a little faster)
    2. Apply your site design and content... For the content create it your self or head to a forum and get a ghost writer.. As for the keywords and description just checkout what the competitors are using on their site and use that as a base to build off of.
    3. Go to www.DomainTools.com run your URL in the whois and click "site profile" scrool to the bottom of the page and click the SEO Browser box... Should be something like this:
    http://www.domaintools.com/seo-brows...n=yoursite.com
    4. Fix all issues the seo browser is showing wrong with your site.
    5. Find you a good site to link to, "I personally use forums, blogs, sitepoint"

    Provided that you complete and do the above listed steps you should see your site up in the serps with in 1-2 weeks tops (Sometimes in as little as 2 days!!!)

    Hope this helps.. as it has for me several times!
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    • Profile picture of the author Web Warrior
      Originally Posted by entrabnetworks View Post

      I find it to be quite simple IMHO as I have put many website (even turnkeys!) with little to no backlinks on Google for terms up to 50+million results by simply completing the following steps...

      1. Keyword related domain (not required just helps get the serps up a little faster)
      2. Apply your site design and content... For the content create it your self or head to a forum and get a ghost writer.. As for the keywords and description just checkout what the competitors are using on their site and use that as a base to build off of.
      3. Go to www.DomainTools.com run your URL in the whois and click "site profile" scrool to the bottom of the page and click the SEO Browser box... Should be something like this:
      http://www.domaintools.com/seo-brows...n=yoursite.com
      4. Fix all issues the seo browser is showing wrong with your site.
      5. Find you a good site to link to, "I personally use forums, blogs, sitepoint"

      Provided that you complete and do the above listed steps you should see your site up in the serps with in 1-2 weeks tops (Sometimes in as little as 2 days!!!)

      Hope this helps.. as it has for me several times!
      Thanks thanks! I knew all others but the 3rd one is something new for me. Exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. Some more ideas, I don't want to fail. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    The best advice I can think of is to put aside a few hours and read this:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...xperiment.html
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  • Profile picture of the author mlord10
    Competition is really irrelevant, unless you are monitoring the first ten results. The results are that are on the first page of Google are your real competition, and in reality if you are not in the top 5 then you are likely not going to see much traffic at all!

    Focus on updating your blog weekly, and make sure that you are building quality links via article marketing, blog commenting, and submitting a press release to a few websites.

    It isn't rocket science, it just takes a little work.
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    • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
      I'm a little confused..How is competition irrelevant? Doesnt competition help seo efforts (getting their backlinks etc)
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  • Profile picture of the author mcampbell075
    Doing the proper keyword analysis, do all the promotion techniques and following all the effective tips of SEO, then you will improve your rankings even though you have a lot of competitors. Just keep on doing it till and observed. Or else if you don't want a long process and you have a big budget better do the adwords programs and manage it properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Web Warrior
    OK warriors, I took your advice and found a high traffic niche for which the top website has about a 100 backlinks. People please guide me how can I analyze the quality of these backlinks. Is there a way?
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  • Profile picture of the author JeffLam
    Alexa and mlord10 are absolutely right.

    At the end of the day, you want your site to be up there in the top 10 or top 5. And as such, your true competition is only those top 10 or top 5 sites.

    Study them, spy on them, whatever. Check their number of backlinks. Check how many H1 tags they have and their keyword density. Did I say check their number of backlinks? Yeah.

    Then go out there and outbeat them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Web Warrior
      Originally Posted by JeffLam View Post

      Alexa and mlord10 are absolutely right.

      At the end of the day, you want your site to be up there in the top 10 or top 5. And as such, your true competition is only those top 10 or top 5 sites.

      Study them, spy on them, whatever. Check their number of backlinks. Check how many H1 tags they have and their keyword density. Did I say check their number of backlinks? Yeah.

      Then go out there and outbeat them.
      Read the post above you. Reading saves you a lot of things!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr Livingston
    Web Warrior, it all comes down to links in the end. Links are like votes of popularity and if you consistently start building them to your home page and your inner pages using services like SEO LV, MAN, AMA, Syndicate Kahuna, etc you'll be able to push forward.
    This is a simple starting point, as you progress, link variety becomes important as well as your age. Also check to see how many of the top 10 sites are authority sites -- much harder to go up against. AND check to see how many are article sites and web 2.0 sites... much easier to break into the top 10 if you see any of those.
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    • Profile picture of the author FredJones
      As more than one Warrior has already mentioned, forget the number of searches.

      You would want to look at the real number of competitors and then only decide how much of backlinking you need to make to reach the top, given that you have the right kind of content on page.

      There are a number of possible ways to gain backlinks such as press releases, social bookmarks, article syndication, blog posting as guests, RSS and so on.
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      • Profile picture of the author sanssecret
        Results and competition are two separate things. This took me ages to figure out so you're lucky to be getting the advice here cos trust me, it'll save you soooooo much frustration further down the road.

        And I must have known this thread was coming cos I just posted about this very thing yesterday.

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    • Profile picture of the author Web Warrior
      Originally Posted by Dr Livingston View Post

      Web Warrior, it all comes down to links in the end. Links are like votes of popularity and if you consistently start building them to your home page and your inner pages using services like SEO LV, MAN, AMA, Syndicate Kahuna, etc you'll be able to push forward.
      This is a simple starting point, as you progress, link variety becomes important as well as your age. Also check to see how many of the top 10 sites are authority sites -- much harder to go up against. AND check to see how many are article sites and web 2.0 sites... much easier to break into the top 10 if you see any of those.
      Thankyou very much for this helpful reply. But I think I have heard of some tool that can help analyze whether the backlinks are high quality ones from high PR related pages or the opposite. Thanks anyways!
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      • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
        Originally Posted by Web Warrior View Post

        Thankyou very much for this helpful reply. But I think I have heard of some tool that can help analyze whether the backlinks are high quality ones from high PR related pages or the opposite. Thanks anyways!
        I prefer SEO4Firefox: SEO for Firefox Extension: Free SEO Toolbar Firefox Browser Plugin
        Or you can use SEOQuake.

        Then look at them manually.. to see PR and if its related. Is there something that exists that will tell if you if its "related"? Either way, manual is fine for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author GhWriter
    you also cannot rely on backlink checkers to judge competition. it is all a guessing game really.

    They could be building links using redirects to hide how many links are really coming in. those redirects could have thousands of links with all that juice flowing right into the main site. I have seen this done before to hide from the seo tools how many backlinks they really had.
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