4 Months After XFactor Method

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I am not an affiliate with XFactor or looking to make money by writing an e-book or anything, but I just want to say that my average AdSense earning is over $60 daily with 110 sites after four months of using his method.

About 20% of them do not make money or only a few pennies so I will have to evaluate them again later, and once they are near expiration date, I might have to consider letting them go.

Some of my top earning sites I have not touch them since I made them in April, and they are making $4-5 average.

I use red instead of blue for my Adsense title links. I'm just saying that works well for me, but might not work well for everyone. My best sites convert over 25% with the red, and some convert at around 10% and less.

I just want to thank John for giving wonderful advice on how to make money with AdSense. I can now comfortably use this supplemental income to invest in stocks. It's like investing with free money because I literally don't have to do anything except a little bit of maintenance here and there with the sites.

I am expecting my average earnings to be over $75 by end of September without adding more sites.

A lot of sites went into sandbox and came back out so if you guys lost rankings on your XFactor sites (but not banned), then it is just a matter of time for them to come back to rank well. I still have about 10 sites that are stuck in the sandbox, and once they come out, I will probably be seeing $100 daily before end of year.

Good luck to all!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Nice work!

    It sounds like you have a great foundation now to expand those sites for even more returns.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonat2005
    110 websites is a real work. How long did it take you to make those sites? And did you register unique domains for them all?
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    @mgtarheels - that's where the maintenance come in .. I do keep them updated.

    @fraggler - thanks, and I will keep expanding them to maximize my returns.

    @yukon - the problem is that all my sites are hosted by Blogger. I know people will tell me to switch to WordPress, etc. but I am too lazy to do that lol. The average costs for my domains are just $7. I wait for special domain promotions, and sometimes I even get domains for 99 cents each.

    @jonat2005 - started this approach beginning of April, and finished all sites by mid June. I outsourced all the article writing. They are all unique domains, but they are all hosted by Blogger.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
      Originally Posted by misterkailo View Post

      @mgtarheels - that's where the maintenance come in .. I do keep them updated.

      @fraggler - thanks, and I will keep expanding them to maximize my returns.

      @yukon - the problem is that all my sites are hosted by Blogger. I know people will tell me to switch to WordPress, etc. but I am too lazy to do that lol. The average costs for my domains are just $7. I wait for special domain promotions, and sometimes I even get domains for 99 cents each.

      @jonat2005 - started this approach beginning of April, and finished all sites by mid June. I outsourced all the article writing. They are all unique domains, but they are all hosted by Blogger.
      Right on.

      Congrats and good luck to your continued success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    Good work.

    Were you hit by June 2nd's algo-update?
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    • Profile picture of the author teatree
      Just be careful - Google does a manual inspection once your account reaches $100 a day on Adsense.

      So spruce up your sites and make sure you are ready for the inspection...
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      • Profile picture of the author nickey512
        great..for that result how many article and keyword you targeted in each site?
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      • Profile picture of the author spanisheye
        Originally Posted by teatree View Post

        Just be careful - Google does a manual inspection once your account reaches $100 a day on Adsense.

        So spruce up your sites and make sure you are ready for the inspection...
        Since when???? That sounds like a load of rubbish to me.
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        • Profile picture of the author teatree
          Originally Posted by spanisheye View Post

          Since when???? That sounds like a load of rubbish to me.
          Take a look at the following article:

          How Not to Make Money Online | How to Make Money Online with SEO

          That was in April. I doubt G has now turned nice to sniper sites since then.

          My comment was just a friendly warning to the OP, but hey, if you want to go ahead and get all your sites deindexed, be my guest.
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    Add moe content on your site
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  • Profile picture of the author spanisheye
    It's a coincidence. New sites are always up and down. If they are crap sites all it takes is someone filing a spam report to get them thrown out.

    I live off Adsense and have never had any problems at all. I also always make sure that my sites are actually decent. Online marketing is about long-term gain, not short term so people need to make sure they don't throw a load of rubbish websites out there or they will get thrown out.

    Adsense is NOT linked to Google indexing or ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author kursat
      Originally Posted by spanisheye View Post

      It's a coincidence. New sites are always up and down. If they are crap sites all it takes is someone filing a spam report to get them thrown out.

      I live off Adsense and have never had any problems at all. I also always make sure that my sites are actually decent. Online marketing is about long-term gain, not short term so people need to make sure they don't throw a load of rubbish websites out there or they will get thrown out.

      Adsense is NOT linked to Google indexing or ranking.
      I don't know much about Adsense, so I thought I would ask. Can you display affiliate products on the same page as Adsense? Would this be a problem in future?
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    • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
      Originally Posted by kursat View Post

      Can you display affiliate products on the same page as Adsense?
      There's no rule against it but, in general, it's best to keep Adsense and affiliate ads separate. This is because most good affiliate offers pay better than Adsense in the same niche and you don't want to get 8 cents for allowing somebody else to earn $20 from a sale. On the opposite side, the best paying Adsense categories tend not to have good affiliate products. Occasionally you'll find something that is well balanced between the two but, most often, keeping them separate works best.
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  • Profile picture of the author bay37
    Originally Posted by misterkailo View Post

    ... but I just want to say that my average AdSense earning is over $60 daily with 110 sites after four months of using his method.
    ...
    Congrats.

    However, this is not a good long term plan. It's beyond me why anyone would spend months of their time (you say you "maintain" all of those sites as well) building minisites like that. 110 website - oh come on! :p
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    • Profile picture of the author williamspd
      Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

      Congrats.

      However, this is not a good long term plan. It's beyond me why anyone would spend months of their time (you say you "maintain" all of those sites as well) building minisites like that. 110 website - oh come on! :p
      Why is this not a good long term plan? I've been making money from Adsense for over a year, and enjoy it. I'll be making money from Adsense in the next few years. By 'long term' do you mean 'retirement planning'? ;-)

      I'd be grateful if you could explain your point of view in a little more detail please.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    You're right, it's not. OP need to ramp it up and build 500 sites instead. $15k/mo is a good long term income. Split that up over 4-5 accounts, don't interlink them and he's good to go.

    It's a numbers game.

    bay37, I thought you built these sites as well at some point?
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    • Profile picture of the author bay37
      Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

      bay37, I thought you built these sites as well at some point?
      Not anymore. Not worth my time. Though I do get your point - it is a numbers game. So much so that if you can't/don't know how to automate/outsource the whole process - it's just not worth it.

      15k/month is not a lot of money to me anymore. It was at some point. There's just so much more $$$ to be made providing services, building better researched aff. sites and doing massive SEO. This whole Internet thing freakin' rocks. haha
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde
        Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

        Not anymore. Not worth my time. Though I do get your point - it is a numbers game. So much so that if you can't/don't know how to automate/outsource the whole process - it's just not worth it.

        15k/month is not a lot of money to me anymore. It was at some point. There's just so much more $$$ to be made providing services, building better researched aff. sites and doing massive SEO. This whole Internet thing freakin' rocks. haha
        Well, by all means, do share.
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      • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
        Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

        Not anymore. Not worth my time. Though I do get your point - it is a numbers game. So much so that if you can't/don't know how to automate/outsource the whole process - it's just not worth it.

        15k/month is not a lot of money to me anymore. It was at some point. There's just so much more $$$ to be made providing services, building better researched aff. sites and doing massive SEO. This whole Internet thing freakin' rocks. haha
        Well, well, well, me owld mucker. If that is the case it sounds like you may well be living the life of Riley now, indeed
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        • Profile picture of the author bay37
          In all seriousness - one good service launch can easily get you to $15k/month in profit.

          Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

          Well, well, well, me owld mucker. If that is the case it sounds like you may well be living the life of Riley now, indeed
          More stressed than ever before. And I don't even know why.

          If Google reviews your sites and believe they offer no real value to the visitor due to thin / unreadable content and you've clearly only obtained good rankings through your own backlink manipulation, then they will deindex those sites.
          They de-index your sites and put a notice up in the webmaster tools thingy that says "site may be in violation of our quality guidelines". Then they can ban you from Adsense for that if they choose to (Adsense ads shouldn't be displayed on sites that don't meet our quality guidelines...). I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
    Congrats on the success

    His methods are definitely good and I'm looking forward to his new/updated e-book since it sounds like it'll be even more awesome (if that's possible! )
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    I am not too sure about the whole de-index thing as the person who was banned after making $100 probably had crappy sites but he wouldn't admit it.

    I was hit in beginning of June when my earnings was down to about $20-$22ish.

    I won't be making more AdSense sites, but just add more content and SEO them to rank up higher for multiple keywords.

    I am going to start new projects to work on Clickbank products with no AdSense in them. Gotta diversify
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I am not too sure about the whole de-index thing as the person who was banned after making $100 probably had crappy sites but he wouldn't admit it.
      They never admit it I agree - keep building content especially on the sites that are doing well - but I would also keep building on the others for while. Don't give up on them too soon.

      Good idea to diversify, too.

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  • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
    You're doing the wrong thing if you need 110 sites to make $60 per day.

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    That's what you should be doing!
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      • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        LMFAO!!

        The guy is making $60 per day, & you're telling him he is doing something wrong.

        I know every business plan needs tweaking online & offline, but cmon don't tell him he is doing the wrong thing, that's just lame!
        I said if he needs 110 sites to make $60 per day.

        And I have a suspicion it's not even true.

        So meh.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
          Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

          I said if he needs 110 sites to make $60 per day.

          And I have a suspicion it's not even true.

          So meh.
          There you go with unsubstantiated allegations again.

          Any more of this crap and you're out of here.

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      • Profile picture of the author bay37
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        LMFAO!!

        The guy is making $60 per day, & you're telling him he is doing something wrong.

        I know every business plan needs tweaking online & offline, but cmon don't tell him he is doing the wrong thing, that's just lame!
        Can you live on $60/day? Because managing 110 sites sure sounds like a full time gig to me. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
          Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

          Can you live on $60/day? Because managing 110 sites sure sounds like a full time gig to me. :p
          If you can't live on $60/day, then you need to evaluate a lot of things.
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          • Profile picture of the author clr
            Hey guys, first post here.

            I've been an online entrepreneur for years and am new to this MMO deal.

            That is, I've been making money online via startups for quite a while without realizing that there is a whole industry dedicated "making money online".

            I actually found this forum on Google, and the XFactor thread was what came up in the search results.

            For the past month or so I've been reading and absorbing the various threads here, and to me it's been quite interesting. Here are my thoughts:

            "XFactor" Method

            Building a farm of MFA mini-sites is like making a house of cards. It may hold up for a while, but ultimately it'll be doomed to collapse. Do you think Google really wants these "4 slice toaster" sites cluttering up their index? The hammer will come down eventually.

            The takeaway that you should be getting from these type of methods is that niche research is a golden opportunity to make money.

            Once you discover that the niche is profitable, build the site into an authority. Get to know the niche intimately. Are there any publications for that niche that you can advertise in? Can you form strategic partnerships with any other companies?

            Building Equity

            The harsh reality is that the best way to make long-term residual income is to make quality, authority sites providing a service or information that people need. With authority comes traffic, and you can monetize that traffic.

            You can then branch out from that into mailing lists, paid memberships, paid downloads, affiliate offers, AdSense, CPA, etc.

            When you build something of great value, you are building equity into your business. You will eventually be able to sell this business for a multiple of what it's earning.

            Money Making eBooks

            You will (most likely) not find a magic formula in some ebook that will instantly make you rich overnight. You may make some money up front, but the income stream will dry up.

            I see people spamming CPA deals on Facebook, creating fake fan pages, etc. to make a quick buck. Do you want to be doing that for the rest of your life? I sure as hell don't!

            Case Study

            To give you an example, the last 1-person startup that I launched started generating $600/day of profit 1 month after launch. The site only had 300-400 unique per day at that point! For those of you who are wondering, the site is not in the "how to make money online" niche. And it only scales up in a limited fashion because the customer base is limited. The key is to get repeat customers for life.

            Of course, I had to put in a solid 6 months of work into it ahead of launching. I am a programmer, writer, graphics designer all rolled into one and keep overhead as low as possible.

            Would I even attempt to write that into an ebook? Sure, I could write a 400 page book on it, but it'd be useless to 99% of people because it's the implementation that counts. General tips, yes. A "method" or "blueprint"? Hell no! My words and advice here have cost you a total of $0.00.

            What I want you to do is to take what you learn here about SEO, marketing, and other skills and put your own spin on things.

            Hard work and trial and error are what counts. The only way to succeed is to get out there and do it. With the Internet, anything is possible!
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            • Profile picture of the author chas08
              Originally Posted by clr View Post

              Hey guys, first post here.

              I've been an online entrepreneur for years and am new to this MMO deal.

              That is, I've been making money online via startups for quite a while without realizing that there is a whole industry dedicated "making money online".

              I actually found this forum on Google, and the XFactor thread was what came up in the search results.

              For the past month or so I've been reading and absorbing the various threads here, and to me it's been quite interesting. Here are my thoughts:

              "XFactor" Method

              Building a farm of MFA mini-sites is like making a house of cards. It may hold up for a while, but ultimately it'll be doomed to collapse. Do you think Google really wants these "4 slice toaster" sites cluttering up their index? The hammer will come down eventually.

              The takeaway that you should be getting from these type of methods is that niche research is a golden opportunity to make money.

              Once you discover that the niche is profitable, build the site into an authority. Get to know the niche intimately. Are there any publications for that niche that you can advertise in? Can you form strategic partnerships with any other companies?

              Building Equity

              The harsh reality is that the best way to make long-term residual income is to make quality, authority sites providing a service or information that people need. With authority comes traffic, and you can monetize that traffic.

              You can then branch out from that into mailing lists, paid memberships, paid downloads, affiliate offers, AdSense, CPA, etc.

              When you build something of great value, you are building equity into your business. You will eventually be able to sell this business for a multiple of what it's earning.

              Money Making eBooks

              You will (most likely) not find a magic formula in some ebook that will instantly make you rich overnight. You may make some money up front, but the income stream will dry up.

              I see people spamming CPA deals on Facebook, creating fake fan pages, etc. to make a quick buck. Do you want to be doing that for the rest of your life? I sure as hell don't!

              Case Study

              To give you an example, the last 1-person startup that I launched started generating $600/day of profit 1 month after launch. The site only had 300-400 unique per day at that point! For those of you who are wondering, the site is not in the "how to make money online" niche. And it only scales up in a limited fashion because the customer base is limited. The key is to get repeat customers for life.

              Of course, I had to put in a solid 6 months of work into it ahead of launching. I am a programmer, writer, graphics designer all rolled into one and keep overhead as low as possible.

              Would I even attempt to write that into an ebook? Sure, I could write a 400 page book on it, but it'd be useless to 99% of people because it's the implementation that counts. General tips, yes. A "method" or "blueprint"? Hell no! My words and advice here have cost you a total of $0.00.

              What I want you to do is to take what you learn here about SEO, marketing, and other skills and put your own spin on things.

              Hard work and trial and error are what counts. The only way to succeed is to get out there and do it. With the Internet, anything is possible!
              You haven't kept up with xfactors updates. He has kept working on his micro niche sites and they all have at least 100 pages now. He recommends to keep adding to your sites and make them into authority sites.
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              • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
                Originally Posted by chas08 View Post

                You haven't kept up with xfactors updates. He has kept working on his micro niche sites and they all have at least 100 pages now. He recommends to keep adding to your sites and make them into authority sites.
                Pretty much exactly what I was going to say.

                So many people had/have entirely misunderstood the concept of the micro-niche AdSense approach.

                The term "micro" wasn't intended to describe the size of each site, but rather the breadth of the niche subject to which each catered. You have markets, niches, and then - in this case - "micro niches", which was just a term used to highlight the fact that we wanted to drill down and narrow our focus even more than the average person digging for a niche.

                The idea was that with such a tightly focused site, it would be faster and easier to establish great SEO authority/relevance and begin dominating the search results for all things related to that little niche.

                It's a model that can and does still work well today, if approached properly, but not for those who imagine the whole thing's about slapping up a zillion sites deliberately limited in size to 10 pages of badly spun/rewritten, shallow, largely irrelevant content.

                It's typically just a matter of time before Google's webspam team conducts a manual review of a site, and if their judgement is that your site falls into the category of "worthless junk", chances are good that you'll be discarded (deindexed) accordingly. Likewise, if they believe that your site is of such low value as to be delivering an inflated number of AdSense clicks because users simply can't find or do anything useful on your own site, your AdSense acount is at risk of closure for posing "significant risk to [their] AdWords publishers" (or something along those lines). In some cases you might be dealt a blow with both fists.

                So the moral of the story, really, is to publish content of a good standard and avoid employing every SEO and AdSense optimisation tactic/shortcut in the book to milk your site (and Google) for all it's worth at the expense of your visitors' user-experience. And this applies equally regardless of whether you're building a site with a broad or narrow subject focus.
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              • Profile picture of the author adamv
                Originally Posted by chas08 View Post

                You haven't kept up with xfactors updates. He has kept working on his micro niche sites and they all have at least 100 pages now. He recommends to keep adding to your sites and make them into authority sites.
                You are responding to a thread that is over a year old. How do you know he hasn't kept up with X-factor updates. Maybe he has and he just didn't want to come back in to an ancient thread.
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                • Profile picture of the author freddylan
                  Great result, 60 $ a day is still a lot of money ! With just saving one dollar a day for 40 years you can retired millionaire ! keep on doing.
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                  • Profile picture of the author freddylan
                    hi Misterkailo

                    i just read your post and i just realize now that it was 1 year old. I ve got as well a bunch of 100 site using jhon Xfactor guideline. after a few beginner mistake i start to get around 5 to 10 $ a day. My web page are just a few month old. Are you still doing this project and where are you now ? it will be interesting to share some info as we are aiming the same objective ?

                    thank a lot

                    hope to hear from you soon

                    Freddy
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          • Profile picture of the author MarketAbel
            Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

            If you can't live on $60/day, then you need to evaluate a lot of things.
            WHAT?!

            1. Yes, this is an international forum so there are all kinds of economies...
            2. I don't know your age, but you look very young...
            3. $60/day x 30 days = $1,800 mo = $21,600 or a PT 30 hrs/wk job @ $13.85/hr...
            I guess I need to evaluate things, cuz I haven't been able to live on that much since I was single, no kids and 23 years old.

            Sorry, but realistically ALOT of normal, average Americans can't live on $60/day...

            ...and I mean can't as in they would not want to because the lifestyle $60/day affords is not that much.

            Me? I would love $60/day in addition to my 40 hour FT job. That would be great!

            My $0.02...
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
              Originally Posted by MarketAbel View Post

              WHAT?!

              1. Yes, this is an international forum so there are all kinds of economies...
              2. I don't know your age, but you look very young...
              3. $60/day x 30 days = $1,800 mo = $21,600 or a PT 30 hrs/wk job @ $13.85/hr...
              I guess I need to evaluate things, cuz I haven't been able to live on that much since I was single, no kids and 23 years old.

              Sorry, but realistically ALOT of normal, average Americans can't live on $60/day...

              ...and I mean can't as in they would not want to because the lifestyle $60/day affords is not that much.

              Me? I would love $60/day in addition to my 40 hour FT job. That would be great!

              My $0.02...
              You just refuted the point you tried to make in your post.

              "...and I mean can't as in they would not want to because the lifestyle $60/day affords is not that much."

              Again, if you can't live on $60/day, you need to evaluate some things.

              Let's break this down.

              -Around here, 700-800/mo for a 2br apartment is standard. (daytona beach, fl).
              -$300/mo car + insurance (high)
              -$300 groceries (high)
              -$300 utilities, gas, etc.
              -$100 miscellaneous
              -$75 savings

              Did I forget anything?

              Extravagant? Not by US standards, but surely can be done without much difficulty.
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              • Profile picture of the author buckz55
                110 sites is fking insane....must took a ton of work for 4 months...congrats
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              • Profile picture of the author bay37
                Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

                You just refuted the point you tried to make in your post.

                "...and I mean can't as in they would not want to because the lifestyle $60/day affords is not that much."

                Again, if you can't live on $60/day, you need to evaluate some things.

                Let's break this down.

                -Around here, 700-800/mo for a 2br apartment is standard. (daytona beach, fl).
                -$300/mo car + insurance (high)
                -$300 groceries (high)
                -$300 utilities, gas, etc.
                -$100 miscellaneous
                -$75 savings

                Did I forget anything?

                Extravagant? Not by US standards, but surely can be done without much difficulty.
                Well I live right next to London (Egham), so here we go:

                Simple 1-bed apartment: $900/month
                Bills: $200/month
                Car: $300/month
                Going out once per week: $200/month
                Food: $400/month if I cook at home every day
                Misc.: $100/month

                That's over $2k/month and believe me that's living very modestly.

                My point is... whatever. I should just move to the US lol.
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                DireStraits, where do you find the time to write those super long posts? :p

                EDIT: OP, well done. Concentrate on 10~ top earners and forget about the other 100 sites. Good luck.

                I'm backing out of this discussion, sorry if I came across negative or discouraging (yet again).

                Internet rules.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                Perhaps I need to move
                My monthly mortgage + property tax alone is $120/day. East Coast living for ya. Although, if my house was 3 miles away in NJ the property tax would be 150% of what it currently is :-0

                ..and congrats to the OP, very nice work. My adsense sites are still steaming along as well.



                Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

                You just refuted the point you tried to make in your post.

                "...and I mean can't as in they would not want to because the lifestyle $60/day affords is not that much."

                Again, if you can't live on $60/day, you need to evaluate some things.

                Let's break this down.

                -Around here, 700-800/mo for a 2br apartment is standard. (daytona beach, fl).
                -$300/mo car + insurance (high)
                -$300 groceries (high)
                -$300 utilities, gas, etc.
                -$100 miscellaneous
                -$75 savings

                Did I forget anything?

                Extravagant? Not by US standards, but surely can be done without much difficulty.
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        • Profile picture of the author williamspd
          Originally Posted by bay37 View Post

          Can you live on $60/day? Because managing 110 sites sure sounds like a full time gig to me. :p
          I know people who live on less. And managing 110 of these sites is a lot easier than you seem to credit. Most of them require little or no upkeep, maybe a bit of extra content every couple of weeks. But nothing like a full time job. I do more than this in a fraction of my spare time each week. So the $60 a day is likely to be a nice sideline on top of other earnings.

          Setting them up takes up a bunch of time, yes. And if I decide to turn any into a serious authority site to exploit profits or to sell it on later, then focusing on it takes some more time too. Like you say, outsourcing is your friend in those situations.

          Just remember that there are hundreds if not thousands of people out there (and plenty in here) who are doing much, much less than $60 per day. Why not help them out a little, seeing as you can so easily afford to, instead of just making them wrong?

          I'm not trying to knock what you are saying - it's great that you are doing so well and can't remember what it was like to live on so little :-p but to be dismissive of this guy's success without doing anything more than tease him with vague references to your own superiority is just unhelpful and a little insensitive.
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          • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
            GREAT JOB! You've inspired a lot of us.
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          • Profile picture of the author mejohn
            I look forward to getting released from that prison. That is a huge goal of mine!

            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Try $56.00 a day, for the last 2.5 years, with a family of three.

            House & 75 acres, 2 SUVs, car, $17k in savings, all paid for (debt free)!

            Maybe it's time to look into debt management, If $60 a day isn't doing it for you?

            Trust me once you pay off that last debt (mortgage, car, etc...), it's like you've been released from prison (lol), nothing else like it.

            So, the answer to your question is, yes I can live off $60 a day, easy.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                I think the OP deserves more credit than he's getting here. When John released his book and, before that, posted about his own success here - half the people on the forum were asking questions and vowing to "get started".

                How many did anything past the first 2-3 small sites?

                You have someone who has stuck with it for 4 months and though he's built a lot of sites for the income - he's learned by doing.

                One thing he's figured out is if you site "disappears" - keep working on it and it will usually reappear. Remember the threads where so many had done the least amount of work they could - put up a bunch of ONE page sites - and then quit when they were de-indexed?

                They swore "this doesn't work" - even though many people here have been making money this way for years.

                The complaint was "why isn't anyone posting about their success" - yet when someone does, what happens? He's told he's doing it wrong, doing the wrong thing, it's a house of cards, blah blah.

                The OP is WAY ahead of many posting in this forum - he's actually making money! In four months he's gone from $0 to $1800 a month - and he doesn't have to keep plugging daily to get that $1800 a month.

                I think it's great progress and he should be proud of it.

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                • Profile picture of the author clr
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  The complaint was "why isn't anyone posting about their success" - yet when someone does, what happens? He's told he's doing it wrong, doing the wrong thing, it's a house of cards, blah blah.
                  I'm not disparaging him for trying. In fact, it's great that he is putting in effort and I congratulate him. I'm just saying that in the long run this won't be sustainable. You need to aim for quality, not quantity.
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                  • Profile picture of the author williamspd
                    Originally Posted by clr View Post

                    I'm not disparaging him for trying. In fact, it's great that he is putting in effort and I congratulate him. I'm just saying that in the long run this won't be sustainable. You need to aim for quality, not quantity.
                    How do you know that these sites are not quality? Or mine?
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                • Profile picture of the author Clyde
                  Kay King, you do know that misterkailo has swayed away as far as possible from the original xfactor course, right? Those people that gave up are the ones that follow xfactor to the TEE..

                  because the course doesn't work, unfortunately.

                  Well let's not get into that for now shall we. :p
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                  • Profile picture of the author williamspd
                    I'm amazed to hear people dismissing Xfactor's course saying that it doesn't work. It must just be sheer fluke that I and several of my colleagues have used it to make a bunch of money over the last eight months? Since I implemented his principles I doubled my Adsense income. And if you think that my sites are poor quality and that they don't deliver a good user experience, then you've not understood the course properly.
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              • Profile picture of the author mejohn
                Same here on car payments. We don't have any. Just working hard to pay off debts from poor choices earlier on in life.

                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                It took me a long time to get out of debt, about 6 years.

                The largest thing that will suck your savings dry is a car payment (no joke), it really sucks paying for a car & then it breaks down, that just blows!

                I'll never own another car in my life If I can't pay cash for it.

                That's why I say the $60 that the OP is making is good money, the average person would never make money like that offline working a part time job.

                That's almost $22 a year.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  I'm just saying that in the long run this won't be sustainable. You need to aim for quality, not quantity.
                  Why do think the sites aren't quality? There are many members of this forum who have hundreds (or more) sites. Have you tested this? How many sites do you have?

                  I have an old site - ugly but lots of pages of content that was the first site I built myself in 2001 - it makes money with adsense every month. That's pretty darned sustainable to me. I have other older sites that do the same. Nothing lasts forever but if I can work for a week and create a site that makes money for 9-10 years, I'm happy.

                  you do know that misterkailo has swayed away as far as possible from the original xfactor course,
                  No - I don't know that and it doesn't matter. If an ebook or product teaches you and motivates you to get started and follow through on a project - does it matter if you don't follow it line by line? Of course not. You develop your own style and make it work.

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                • Profile picture of the author Dellco
                  Well, many times I've personally seen Google remove sites which they deem as MFA and seen many people get banned after they have been running a ton of MFAs (and making money too), so that risk will always be there.

                  Two high profile cases recently were the banning and removal of both Alan Liew's site and Grizzly's sites, which underwent a manual review. Both were top ranked for "make money online" and both were running for years. Both were making tons of money. Both are also not MFAs in my book.

                  Personally, the moment I land on an MFA, I'm out of there in seconds, and I've been seeing the same increasing trend (over the past few years) on all the MFAs which I did in the past. They are all failures and had high bounce rates, as I suspect people are wisening up to this and are able to spot "fakey" sites from "genuine" ones. Didn't get good CTR no matter how you disguise the ads or shift them about. I believe people are getting better at spotting inaccurate details and sussing you out, and probably they've visited a site (s) similar to yours just a few moments ago before they landed on yours.....

                  In order to make this work, I likely had to churn out literally hundreds of them and that's not feasible to me. I would rather focus on the few that are in my alley.

                  So, to make a ton of MFAs is not really a good long term plan if you ask me (you got to think 2-3 years from now) but if the OP is happy doing it, just keep on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
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      You're doing the wrong thing if you need 110 sites to make $60 per day.

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      That's what you should be doing!
      It all depends, right? It comes down to how much time/$$ is involved. If I can put up a new site in an hour, then why not?
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Oh and congratulations, misterkailo! I'm both pleased and excited to hear of your success in following "John's methods".

    I must concur with some of the above posters, however, in feeling that the sheer volume of sites you have to make your ~$60/day is perhaps slightly unnecessary. Having said that, that is your chosen strategy, and you're making some decent money, so if you're happy maintaining your 100+ sites then great!

    I follow similar principles as those detailed in Johns book to work my own Adsense sites, but I have a much smaller number and make a lot more money from each.

    I'm also erring more towards setting up larger sites yet (focused more on a general market - or at least a more broad niche - rather than really small, micro niches), but may continue to set up and work on smaller sites at a slower pace just for the sake of having a more numerous properties which I can sell and what not, individually, in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
    Could someone please clarify something for me?

    I've been told by several people that you have to have more than 1 way to monetize a website than just Adsense or that site is really considered a MFA site and will be in violation of the TOS, is this true?

    And if it's true, I've also been told that having Adsense and affiliate offers on the same page hurts conversions for both monetization methods...how true is that?

    I'd appreciate any experienced opinions on these two matters.
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by brittlesnc View Post

      Could someone please clarify something for me?

      I've been told by several people that you have to have more than 1 way to monetize a website than just Adsense or that site is really considered a MFA site and will be in violation of the TOS, is this true?

      And if it's true, I've also been told that having Adsense and affiliate offers on the same page hurts conversions for both monetization methods...how true is that?

      I'd appreciate any experienced opinions on these two matters.
      I have a hunch that MFA may not stand for "Made for Adsense", but "Made for Advertising". In any case, I think you have a greater risk of being de-indexed for running MFA sites, than being banned from Adsense. I believe people who have their Adsense accounts removed are usually suspected practitioners (or victims) of click-bombing / click-fraud.

      If Google reviews your sites and believe they offer no real value to the visitor due to thin / unreadable content and you've clearly only obtained good rankings through your own backlink manipulation, then they will deindex those sites.

      Either way, it's going to translate into vastly reduced or completely vanished earnings.

      In the end, ask yourself this. If Google feels a site is so low quality as not to be deserving of the priviledge of displaying their advertisements, how much additional value do you think they'd consider that site to offer if it also simply displayed affiliate links or product offers?

      The value (or lack of) is in the informational/factual-content and product reviews/descriptions, not in the presence (or absense) of additional means of monetization such as affiliate links or CPA offers.


      As for your second question, you probably will indeed find that the more distractions present on your site, and the more opportunities there are for the visitor to leave (affiliate links, offers, adsense, chitika, whatever), the action will be split between them. This may sometimes result in potentially higher earnings, and sometimes it may go the other way; decreased earnings.

      Some sites may earn more with the coupling of Adsense and affiliate links, for example, whereas some sites which displaying particularly tempting Adsense ads for buyers in that particular niche market may lose out on clicks when the visitor leaves through an Amazon or other affiliate link, doesn't buy, and also doesn't return. If that site were only to display Adsense ads, the chances that this visitor would've clicked one of those ads (almost guaranteed to have resulted in some earnings) is likely to have been higher.

      P.S: Sorry if my writing isn't very clear tonight. I've had afphew ayles
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  • Profile picture of the author Reverb
    I think $60/day is nothing to sneeze at. A lot of people would be more than happy to make that with AdSense sites, so congrats on that! I can't imagine building 110 sites myself, but if it works - it works!
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  • Profile picture of the author nathantai
    Good for you. Personally, all my Xfactor sites are officially dead, lost in serps from 1st page rankings in the last 2 months. I've turned off auto renew for all 20+ of my sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author erazer
    Looks like its taking too long for some people to realize exactly what the OP has achieved. $60/day in 4 months is the equivalent of $180/day in a year. That's $65,000/year, every year, without much work going forward. Even if the OP stopped making more sites or adding to his existing sites, those 4 months of work may pay his mortgage for years to come. That'll allow him to do the same thing again with affiliate sites and a year from now he could be making 60-70k and in 2 years, 120-150k, all on autopilot.
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    • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
      Originally Posted by EAR-ONS View Post

      I actually don't know what the hell I was trying to say.

      sorry
      Haha. Seriously, I think I understand you.

      Many of us could do with a little more motivation, and increased productivity levels. Nothing does that quite like reading the excited success story of someone else. But in every thread, the same survival mechanism that tries to keep you alive in dangerous situations seems to kick in, when other people, in effect, try to warn you about the dangers you cannot see or didn't think about.

      But honestly, many people have the tendency to be less than truthful or make outlandish exaggerations sometimes.

      How do you know the person who posts the original story isn't making stuff up? You don't, in most cases. Either believe or don't believe, no-one else change that.

      How do you know whether the people trying to deter you are making false claims or trying to pass off their guesswork and hunches as fact? Do they even believe they know because of first-hand experience, or because of hearsay and a tendency to repeat - in a chinese whispery sort of way - what they've heard from someone else.

      I don't know everything, but I do know this...

      - Without action towards accomplishing something, you're almost guaranteed never to accomplish it. Chances are good, if you do nothing, you get nothing. Period.

      - Some people who you think might be trying to help you with "good advice" along the way, may be feeding you advice that is not helpful towards you at all. Believe it or not, this applies to gurus too (people whose every word you'd likely hang on, because after all, they must know; they've done it), who may mistakingly attribute their success to the strangest and most ridiculous things. What I'm saying is, even lots of experts don't know what it is that make them successful at something when others fail. A person who is a success in one area does not necessarily make for a good teacher in that area.

      - Some people may try - intentionally or unintentionally - to dissuade you from doing something because they had a bad experience with it themselves. The conclusion they've drawn is that it's illegal, immoral, frowned-upon, or whatever. In some cases they may be right; in some cases they might've made mistakes that they themselves don't see or don't care to admit, and that is the real reason they failed. Some people don't like to admit their mistakes, and some people just never see them. But if there's one thing people hate more is seeing others have success in an area they once failed in. If nothing else, that is their motivation to chime in and attempt to dissuade you. Perhaps not becuse they care about you losing out but because they don't want to hear of anyone else defeating them.

      So what do you do?

      1) Do nothing; achieve nothing.

      - or -

      2) Take other peoples advice as concrete, either to take action in certain way or dont do something at all. You may be successful or you may fail. If you fail, are you happy to feel that your failure was out of your own hands? If you are, you're probably a weak-minded person who cannot and will not ever take responsibility for your own actions, successes and failures. Business isn't for you; go get a job!

      - or -

      3) Are you going to step up the plate and carve your own path? Make your own decisions, and be fully accountable for your successes and your failures? Look, it'd be stupid to be ignorant to what everyone has to say because there's always more to learn, but you must choose what you're going to act on, what will paralyze your efforts, and what you're going to let slide.

      Do or don't do. If you want it bad enough, making mistakes won't deter you from ever being successful. You'll stand right back up, hone your approch, change your plan, and try again.

      If you don't take action - particularly because of fears instilled within you by someone else whose warnings may possibly not even hold any salt - then you probably don't want something bad enough.

      If our life is really going to be ours, we need to start calling the shots ourselves.
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      • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
        Thanks DireStraits for that enlightening response. Not to kiss ass but I think that was an excellent way to 'tell it like it is' in ANY business.

        Really needed to read that because I keep spinning my wheels and going over the what-ifs and what can go wrong...time to get my ass in gear or I will fail anyway just by not doing anything which is really stupid!
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde
    Every business is risky, you just have to be smart about it. If you advertise with Adwords, you can get slapped, PPV, PPC, Facebook all have their risks as well.

    SEO, Bing, Yahoo, Google can all de-index your sites.

    on and on..

    Bottom line is people that make money will continue to make money by outsmarting everybody else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonas Iri
    Ok, I had enough of this ramblings on "$60/day is nothing" "this is not the right thing to do" "How can you make a living out of that?" and all the other know-it-all comments on this topic.

    I litterally cringe when I read comments like that. Seriously.

    And someone is even doubting that he is making that amount at all. What the hell? Yeah, people like to lie to strangers on the internet just to inflate their ego. We are still in elementary school, if things are like that.

    $60/day is a HUGE amount of money. Not much for the money per se, but because it has POTENTIAL. He has started setting a CASHFLOW. Those sites need little to no maineinance and the money will still flow through. Now he can use that money to setup something more consistent. With $60/day in PPC he can scale up things quite a lot, setting an higher and more consistent cash flow. And then reinvest that cashflow and make even more money.

    How do you think multimillionaires became rich? They just started make their cashflow rolling. And that's where most people fail.

    Is it the "right" way to do money? Who cares? And what means "right" anyway? A long term business maybe? Tell me of a business that has not risks. All the businesses, no matter how solid they seem, can fall flat on their face at any time. It's just a rule of business. But if the business falls, you are still erect: your money making mind is still there and that's what matters anyway.

    Do not be a hater. Live and let other lives. What works for him may not work for you. Just do not say what is "right" and what is "wrong".

    What the hell.
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  • Profile picture of the author williamspd
    The original poster has achieved a great deal and well done to him.

    If he is at all worried about the future viability of Adsense income, he has already put himself in a great position to diversify. Diversification, and building out authority sites, are two of the things that Xfactor recommended doing once the initial sites were up and earning. A lot of people seem to think that John Xfactor teaches you to build ugly shallow sites that all look the same - he doesn't, they just haven't read the course properly.

    Stripping out the non-performing sites would make sense - get 70 performing sites and focus on them rather than on the other 40 underperformers.

    Investigating how to create more Adsense accounts safely, and building more Adsense sites under those accounts, so that a slip-up cannot wipe out all of your Adsense income. (Dodgy, grey hat perhaps, but everyone is doing it).

    Diversifying some sites into other Ad networks.

    Diversifying some sites into affiliate selling.

    Focusing on the top peforming sites to build them into authority sites. MFA sites like EzineArticles, eHow, etc., are big enough to be liked by Google despite offering up a lot of barely readable rehashed content, so why not go for it in your niche?

    etc.

    So the $60 a day is the springboard into all sorts of other things, including, as the OP said himself, dabbling in stocks and shares using this 'free' money. Good luck to you mate, and I look forward to hearing how you get on in future.
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      • Profile picture of the author HCLee
        Congrats on such good achievement. I like to find out for all your 110 sites, what is the average no. of pages for each site. Also since you mentioned some of them are not making money you should focus on the top 20 percent which do make money. Then add more pages and optimize each page with a related keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    The pages of my sites will continue to grow. I am not setting a limit (5 pages per site, 10 pages per site, etc.)

    It is not tough at all to maintain these sites. I haven't touch them in a while.

    I have other things to do in my life as I clearly mentioned this is supplemental income that I use to invest in stocks. If I lose in stocks, then oh well... it is from this "free money" source.

    Also, the average earning does not end at $60. Sites are slowly but surely moving up the SERP, and I already said some of them are still in the sandbox. I have seen more days that are above $60-$75 recently so it really does not end at $60/day.

    "I said if he needs 110 sites to make $60 per day.

    And I have a suspicion it's not even true."

    A lot of my sites are making around 50 to 80 cents range as they only get 1 to 2 clicks per day on average. As mentioned above, my average earnings is not capped at $60.

    My AdSense earnings used to be 5-10 cents daily before I started John's method.

    With a little more SEO to all my sites, I should be able to push $100/daily without adding more of these sites by end of 2010.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    Here is a great tip for everyone who is using similar methods to make money on AdSense:

    Go here to check on the browser screen resolution statistics: Browser Display Statistics

    You want your AdSense to not show the "Ads By Google" above the fold for the general population. What I mean is like this:

    http://i25.tinypic.com/jkgn7p.jpg

    The majority of internet users are not making money online, visiting Warrior Forum, or know what AdSense is. Most do not use add-ons or anything to clutter up their browsers either.

    My site caters to people who use resolution # x 800

    If you look in the browser display statistics, then you will find that 20% use 1024x768. My AdSense will still not show "Ads By Google" above the fold for these people so it is fine. If you look in the Higher column, you will see that you can click on 76%. Click on that, and you will see more statistics.

    In there, you will see that 17.3% users use 1280x800 resolution. The 1280x1024 crowd will obviously see the words "Ads By Google" above the fold, but some of them will still click on Ads regardless.

    If you add 17.3% of 1280x800 users with 20% of 1024x768 users, then you already have more than 1/3 of the internet users who will not see the "Ads By Google" above the fold when they first come into your site.

    Tweak your AdSense placement just enough so the words "Ads By Google" will not show up above the fold for the majority of internet users.
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    • Profile picture of the author inter123
      $60 a day is good going. Great stuff dude!

      I started on Adsense 6 months ago, the initial plan was to build 1 site a day using exact match keyword domain and build possibly 100s of these sites.

      Then read a load of stuff about micro-sites receiving the slap from google, so started to go bigger.

      In all that time built 1 site which has about 50 pages. So much time has been spent on SEO (whitehat) submitting articles to directories, blog posting, social bookmarking, web 2.0, etc, etc.

      But without the exact domain match its harder to rank for keywords and many articles not indexed by google. Its great in that as a novice, its becomes possible to appreciate what works with SEO, which resources are going to be fruitful, and so on.

      But as a result, all that time spent on SEO related stuff and not building more content or other sites has meant Adsense earnings are about $200 a month.

      With exact match domain match gig, there would be more web sites and more $.

      Sometimes its better to take risks and go for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Congratulations, OP. A surprising amount of negativity in your thread. I think DireStraits had it absolutely correct. (How DO you find the time to write posts like that here? hehe)

    We were inspired by the XFactor thread and information back in December. Much like you, I put my head down and hammered out some sites (although not strictly following his course or anything) I made some mistakes in the beginning that cost me a bit, but I learned and moved on. We made over 10K in July from AdSense and website sales combined, continuing to follow our process. We're a little ahead of you and just wanted to let you know it's definitely possible to continue to earn money with targeted niche sites. OP, let me know if you have any questions or suggestions and we'd be happy to share with you. We'd much rather work with and collaborate with doers. :-)
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